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Filling out Obama’s resume

January 22, 2007

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That Sen. Barack Hussein Obama Jr. chose the same day as the season premier of "American Idol" to launch his presidential exploratory committee is nicely symbolic.

Part of the attraction and seductiveness of Sen. Obama - perhaps the main attraction - is that he is mostly a blank slate on which others can write what they choose. Now that he's announced formation of an exploratory committee to help him decide whether he should run for president (is there any doubt?), the moving fingers will begin writing soon enough.

Much of what Obama says resonates with many people, including me. In his exploratory committee announcement, which he recorded on video and put on his Website (barackobama.com/video), he notes, "how hungry we all are for a different kind of politics." There can be no question about that. He also says, "our leaders in Washington seem incapable of working together in a practical, common-sense way. Politics has become so bitter and partisan, so gummed up by money and influence, that we can't tackle the big problems that demand solutions." Right again.

Then he says, "We have to change our politics, and come together around our common interests and concerns as Americans."

Here is where things could get sticky. Obama is a liberal Democrat. He favors abortion rights, gun control and tax breaks for the middle class (though, according to data from the Internal Revenue Service, the top 1 percent of income earners pay nearly 35 percent of the income tax burden). On which of these contentious issues might he compromise in order to diminish the bitterness and partisanship in politics? Would the left be bitter and partisan were he to pursue consensus on these issues?

It could be argued that much of the bitterness in politics has been caused by liberal elitists who have used the courts to ram social change down our throats without regard to the democratic process. I see Obama as being a part of this ideological strain. Does he believe activist judges should interpret the Constitution through a left-wing prism and the people should have no say in such matters? Most liberals believe so.

If this were a contest about looks and style, Obama might have an edge. If it were a competition about which candidate is the best orator, he'd win. But it is neither. Regardless of party, a president must have the credentials and especially the worldview to be a credible leader. He (or she) must also be respected, even feared, by those who hate and want to destroy America. Whether a president wins personality and popularity contests is irrelevant. It only matters that a president pursues American interests first.

Does Obama have such qualities and should a political neophyte, a former state senator from Illinois, with just two years of experience in the U.S. Senate, be hired for the world's most important job? Should voters exert blind faith that he is up to the challenge?

What is Obama's view about the threat from terrorists from without and within our country? He says the United States should never have gone to war in Iraq, that invading the country was a bad strategic blunder, but that having gone, we must make sure that Iraq is stable. Does he consider a stable Iraq with an elected and functioning government important enough to finish the job?

If not, would he accept responsibility for what would likely follow a withdrawal of U.S. troops, a withdrawal he proposed in November, such as a terror state that might launch attacks against its neighbors and recruit suicide bombers for missions inside the United States?

"Only through this phased redeployment can we send a clear message to the Iraqi factions that the U.S. is not going to hold together this country indefinitely - that it will be up to them to form a viable government that can effectively run and secure Iraq," Obama said. "It is time to give Iraqis their country back, and it is time to refocus America's efforts on the wider struggle yet to be won."

But what if, for whatever reason, Iraqis are not yet ready to bear full responsibility for their country and for the insurgency that seeks to permanently occupy it? Would he accept responsibility for such a gigantic policy failure? When you're president, you don't get to pass the buck.

These are the questions that need answering. We have a right to know what manner of individual aspires to the Oval Office, before we give him, or her, the honor, privilege and responsibility of the office.

In short, it's time to start writing on that blank slate and to seriously contemplate what's written there.

- Cal Thomas is a columnist for Tribune Media Services.

Comments

bearded_gnome 7 years, 10 months ago

very well said Cal! " Does Obama have such qualities and should a political neophyte, a former state senator from Illinois, with just two years of experience in the U.S. Senate, be hired for the world's most important job? Should voters exert blind faith that he is up to the challenge?

"


would add, Obama is taking money from George Soros, who has amazing values if anyone checks them out. he wants felons to have the right to vote, all [ALL] drugs legalized, open borders, etc. support Obama, you support Soros. think before you do that!

fortunately, Obama is an empty media balloon, and the deflation will begin soon.

Mkh 7 years, 10 months ago

"should a political neophyte, a former state senator from Illinois, with just two years of experience in the U.S. Senate, be hired for the world's most important job? Should voters exert blind faith that he is up to the challenge?"


No voters should not except blind faith on any matters. But the intersting thing is that Obama entered politics the same year as "W", and actually has more experience in politics than "W" had when he was appointed president.

Of course the obvious main difference is that Obama is not an Elitist, yet. Obama's father was a black man from Kenya, not the former President/Vice Pres. of the US and the former CIA Director. Obama's grandfathers weren't wealthy war profiteers and power politicians who held substantial weight in super powerful circles such as the Skulls and Bones Society and The Free Mason's/Illuminati Order.

Mkh 7 years, 10 months ago

Mr. Sausage, I believe you are confusing Obama and "Osama", but thanks for the info on the flavor of sausage.

IP, I'm not really sure what your question or point was, so if you have one, you might want to rephrase. But I'd say if you want the answer to why "regime change" did not take place in '04, look at the voter fraud, most notably that in Ohio.

JumporFall 7 years, 10 months ago

I really like Obama. I just finished his second book, and as far as I can tell he does seem uncorrupted, genuine, and smart.

jonas 7 years, 10 months ago

Gonna have to join the "Bush had similar experience and proven effectiveness" voice. The only primary difference is that Bush had a pre-programmed set of talking points, issues and ideologies to perjure, whereas Obama is stuck with the rediculous mess that is the democrat party.

Right-Thinker: Thanks for pointing out the polarity of the responses, though I'll add that you're fooling yourself by calling a particular group normal and sane. Especially if they still like Bush.

bearded_gnome 7 years, 10 months ago

in other words, o righty one, his needle is way over on the left-o-meter. he did vote for a fence? his mentor Soros won't like that and will change that position of his. also, he does have that shady land deal.

bearded_gnome 7 years, 10 months ago

IP, that history is NOTHING! did you know, in 1944, Prescott Bush managed a 15-minute delay in the eastern time zone's sunrise? some conspiracies are worse than others, dangerous and evil.

oh, I forgot to throw in "the bilderbergers too.

Mkh 7 years, 10 months ago

Gnome, your Fox News induced paranoia of Soros is hilarious. Murdoch's henchmen have you gobbling up every word.

Mkh 7 years, 10 months ago

gnome and IP,

Are you two seriously denying that the Bush family are members of the Free Mason's Order, founding members of the Skull and Bones Society, and whole other host of powerful organizations?

Not to mention that they are connected to the descended blood-line of of the British Royal Family, The House of Windsor, and Godfroi de Bouillon-- who led European noblemen in the successful Crusade to recapture Jeruselam from the Islamic Faith and then Bouillon became the First King of Jerusalem.

Mkh 7 years, 10 months ago

FNC---top rated news channel...... What's up with that?


Propaganda Works, plain and simple.

Now I'm going back to ignoring you RT.

Godot 7 years, 10 months ago

Well, mkh, if you are to stay true to holding progeny responsible for the actions of their ancestors, and if you expect them to believe as their ancestors did, as you expect of GWB, then you will have a very difficult time justifying any support for Obama.

Obama's mother, a free spirit, married Obama's father in an "unconventional ceremony" while the man was still married to another woman; he left her soon after; Obama's mother named him after her previous boyfriend; his father married three times, without divorcing any of his wives; Obama's mother left him with his grandparents so she could live the free life in southeast Asia.

Barack (aka Barry) is so creative with his own biography that he creates characters that are an assimilation of several people in his life, so as to protect the identities of the innocent, and combines events in his life so as to make his autobiography more interesting. He admits to that in the forward of his book.

With that history, if you hold Barry to the same standard as you hold GWB, what do you expect of him as leader of the most powerful nation on earth?

Godot 7 years, 10 months ago

"black box voting will be in place and cover about 40 percent of all available voting districts / enough to win."

Let the battle of the techies begin.

Mkh 7 years, 10 months ago

"With that history, if you hold Barry to the same standard as you hold GWB, what do you expect of him as leader of the most powerful nation on earth?"

Ummm gee Godot, I guess if he is like his father his might divorce his wife, or possbibly have an affair. Don't really no and don't really care about his personal married life.

Do you always stare at the apples and oranges in the produce section?

Godot 7 years, 10 months ago

Mkh, why do you think someone's ancestors' membership in social clubs is more indicative of a person's leadership ability than the way a person's ancestors conduct their family life?

I am trying to point out to you that it is ridiculous to judge a person for the actions of his or her forebears, gwb and obama included.

Godot 7 years, 10 months ago

Sorry, it is not "obama," it is "bho"

Mkh 7 years, 10 months ago

Godot,

You've obviously missed my point entirely, go back and reread my original post.

My point is that the reason "W" got to be where he is today had absolutely nothing to do with his previous political experience, he had none before becoming Governor of Texas. He got there because of his VERY Powerful Family.

A luxary that Obama does not have, which is why I doubt he will become President in '08.

Mkh 7 years, 10 months ago

Is what you do when you no longer have a point to make IP?

Cute.

Godot 7 years, 10 months ago

"George Soros is so powerful that he can control Obama?"

Money and a 'by" from the media are a very powerful mix.

Godot 7 years, 10 months ago

mkh, BHO does not need the Bush family, he has Soros.

jonas 7 years, 10 months ago

"Blacks, poor white trash, convicted felons, feminists, gays, athiests and assorted fringe elements."

Holy @#$% dude!

Godot 7 years, 10 months ago

Thank goodness we have couranna1 to illustrate the clarity of liberal thought.

bearded_gnome 7 years, 10 months ago

Mkh, do you believe Bush is a reptoid from Alpha Draconia? Please say that you do. That would just be the nadir of this low comedy.

LOL


"blackbox voting" gee, don't hear all that whining about '06. I say, the '06 voting was rigged like '04 and '00. funny hypocrisy. odd those black boxes worked right for a change. further, no actual charges, no proof, no actual legal evidence to document '04 and '00 claims, just a heck of a lot of hot air. we do know for a fact that AlGore's lawyers were in a boatload of Florida counties suppressing overseas military ballots, keeping them from being counted. that is part of the printed official record.


Godot: MKH sees everything and I do mean everything through the massive conspiracy perspective. if he/she gets a hangnail, you know the council on foreign relations planned it that way.
of course GWB became TX governor because he was a Bush. JFK became senator and later president because he was a kennedy. fatso drunk Ted Kennedy is still elected senator and still a major leader of the democrat party *because he's a kennedy. he got thrown out of harvard because of cheating "when Teddy drank, a girl sank." got outa that too.

when GWB attended Harvard, he didn't cheat and get tossed, and his GPA was higher than that of John Kerry, AKA traitor.

Mkh 7 years, 10 months ago

gnome: "of course GWB became TX governor because he was a Bush. JFK became senator and later president because he was a kennedy. fatso drunk Ted Kennedy is still elected senator and still a major leader of the democrat party *because he's a kennedy.


So you agree with me then huh gnome? I guess now were getting somewhere.

Mkh 7 years, 10 months ago

btw way gnome I remember a few months ago you claimed that the Council on Foreign Relations did not even exist, and neither did the Project for the New American Century.

What happened, did you actually google something and learn about it? I doubt you went as far as reading a book though.

Mkh 7 years, 10 months ago

"further, no actual charges, no proof, no actual legal evidence to document '04 and '00 claims"

You sure about that gnome? Or did you just have your head stuck in the sand with a flag waving from your a$$?

Perhaps you should do some research, especially concerning Moss v. Bush, the formal challange to the Ohio electorial vote in Congress, and the hundreds of pages of evidence concerning the election fraud in Ohio.

Don't even get me started on Florida in '00.

bearded_gnome 7 years, 10 months ago

never said they didn't exist...was poking fun at your applying them in your twisted conspiratorial way. as I wrote then, according to you they're so all-powerful and shaping the world but they happened to let the secret out...yeah right. there are groups like the new american century CFR etc., all over the map. these have been singled out by genuine wackonuts who see massive dark heavy conspiracies when often just simple human nature, foolishness, connections, or name recognition will do! above, you went into a multi-century history of the conspiracy leading to GWB...zowie! holy doughnut batman!

bearded_gnome 7 years, 10 months ago

yes, there were small numbers of irregularities in ohio, not enough to sway the result. there were also in Wisconsin! which was closer and went to the democrats but nobody raised evil conspiracy vote charges about wisconsin, which even included some violence. no such thing as a perfect election. please get your head outa the conspiracy vice...the world will look nicer when you do!

Mkh 7 years, 10 months ago

you went into a multi-century history of the conspiracy leading to GWB...zowie!

For crying out loud gnome, get a dictionary and look up the word "conspiracy". I pointed out the history of the Bush Family blood-line, that's not a conspiracy, it's history. You even said it yourself, "course GWB became TX governor because he was a Bush".

Mkh 7 years, 10 months ago

"please get your head outa the conspiracy vice...the world will look nicer when you do!"

Everything looks pretty through rose-colored glasses when you ignore all facts that prove otherwise. Have fun with that, but I chose not to be ignorant, even if the world does not "look nicer". Time you faced the brutal reality of life gnome.

Mkh 7 years, 10 months ago

"according to you they're so all-powerful and shaping the world but they happened to let the secret out...yeah right"

What are you talking about? There is no "secret" that got let out. They run the world, what the hell do they care if you know about it or not? Your obviously not going to do a thing about it, are you gnome? You won't even let yourself be aware of their power. Boy do they love you, you still think YOU have the power in this country. Ha Ha Ha Ha HA!

Mkh 7 years, 10 months ago

Let me get this straight gnome, the CFR are not the most powerful people in the World, but George Soros is so powerful that he can control Obama?

Well don't now look scholar, but Soros is a former Board of Directors member at the CFR. What do you say now?

jonas 7 years, 10 months ago

Ahhhh. . . crap. We ARE all going to die, aren't we?

jonas 7 years, 10 months ago

Good lord. This is as bad as the liberal doomsaying that was so rediculously widespread in 2000 when Bush was running for office. Everyone back then was claiming that if he got elected then America would be dropped into the crapper for a good long time, and we'd end up spending years or decades pulling us out of the mire and back to where we were before. And he's been in office for 6 years now, and where are we?

Mkh 7 years, 10 months ago

Posted by jonas (anonymous) on January 29, 2007 at 8:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Good lord. This is as bad as the liberal doomsaying that was so rediculously widespread in 2000 when Bush was running for office. Everyone back then was claiming that if he got elected then America would be dropped into the crapper for a good long time, and we'd end up spending years or decades pulling us out of the mire and back to where we were before. And he's been in office for 6 years now, and where are we?

Looks like they were exactly right Jonas...don't you look the fool.

bearded_gnome 7 years, 10 months ago

Jonas is certainly no fool.

he also is not an obsessed poster.


yes, its the reptoid people, along with "plan 9 from outer space." remember this: "Mars needs women!"

jonas 7 years, 10 months ago

mkh, scenebooster: It's a two-part post time release joke. Keep thinking about it.

Mkh 7 years, 10 months ago

"he also is not an obsessed poster"

uh huh, so what does that make you gnome, I see your closing in on 2,500 posts. Obsess much?

meggers 7 years, 10 months ago

Godot,

Do you have a source for your version of Obama's family history? If so, I'd appreciate it if you could share it, as it stands in direct contradiction to his autobiography and biographical info that has been published about him.

As for the literary license he used in the writing of his first book, the fact that he himself disclosed his methodology up-front makes it a non-issue.

Overall, I thought Thomas' criticisms of Obama were pretty benign, given his penchant for distasteful and irrational attacks against democrats. Nothing he said about Obama's stance on Iraq is unique to Obama, or even to democrats for that matter.

Perhaps Thomas is simply saving up his more scurrilous attacks for closer to show time.

Godot 7 years, 10 months ago

meggers, I am looking for the article I read yesterday. It was an interview with Obama's mother's friend from Indonesia. I can't remember if it was on line or in print. In the meantime, here is one that differs a little from what I read. It is written about the father, Obama Sr. It is interesting that the Obama's mother's friend was under the misconception that Barack Obama, Sr., was just a boyfriend, not the father of Barack obama, Jr., though. I will post if I find the article.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23383304-details/A+drunk+and+a+bigot+-+what+the+US+Presidental+hopeful+HASN'T+said+about+his+father.../article.do

Godot 7 years, 10 months ago

meggers wrote: "Do you have a source for your version of Obama's family history? If so, I'd appreciate it if you could share it, as it stands in direct contradiction to his autobiography and biographical info that has been published about him."

Looks like the international press is not on the same honeymoon with Obama with the US press.

meggers 7 years, 10 months ago

Thanks, Godot.

I think it's important to take a British tabloid that relies on unnamed relatives, unnamed friends, and unnamed classmates as sources with a healthy grain of salt. Especially one that's laced with such transparent innuendo, with a clear focus on sensationalism.

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want distant relatives, people who happened to sit in the same classroom as me, or who lived down the block weighing in on my family history. I especially wouldn't want them speculating about how my family history has or hasn't impacted me.

I've noticed that while the media has given Obama a lot of face time, they've also made what appears to be a deliberate effort to smear him and plant seeds of doubt in voters' minds. This is nothing new, but some of the incidents have been particularly over-the-top.

No matter what side of the political spectrum we happen to lean towards, I think we have a responsibility as both media consumers and as voters to set the record straight (or at the very least, not repeat it as fact) when we see grossly misleading and distorted information presented in the form of news. I'm not saying you did that, Godot. You probably took what you read at face value, as many people would. That's precisely why the media should hold itself to a higher standard.

Wikipedia has it's flaws, but it at least provides a more objective biography of Obama:

www. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

Godot 7 years, 10 months ago

Meggers, I guess you chose not to read the articles. The friends and relatives are named. You just do not like what they are saying, basically the same story by two different papers in two far away countries, with different, named sources.

Godot 7 years, 10 months ago

No, probably someone with no more than a high school education, you know, like Michael Moore.

jonas 7 years, 10 months ago

Truthfully, Gnome, I was talking about my two posts, which I (chuckle) wonder if YOU'VE gotten yet. Maybe I needed more editing. Truthfully, I haven't read Mkh's comment history, and so don't know enough about them to make a call on their obsessiveness.

Personally, I still see little difference between this situation of Obama and his resume, and all the doomcrying, and when Bush was running, in terms of both reality and supposed reality. I'm not sure if that matters or not.

meggers 7 years, 10 months ago

I did read the article you posted, Godot. You might want to read it again yourself. Only a couple of sources were named. The rest- and the sources that supplied most of the 'information' for the article- were unnamed.

I can't speak to the other article, because you haven't posted it.

meggers 7 years, 10 months ago

Never mind, I just saw it. I'll check it out and get back to you.

meggers 7 years, 10 months ago

Godot, in case you were unaware of it, the Australian is a Rupert Murdoch publication. I love how the article expresses outrage about the madrasah lie, when that particular whopper originated with none other than Fox News itself.

That aside, I don't see where the article made the claim that Obama was named after his mother's boyfriend, or that his mother left him to live the "free life". In fact, the article says this:

"We were both mothers and we talked about how difficult it was for a mother to separate herself and send her child away, but she was really concerned about Barry's education."

Where in either article did you find the allegations you posted originally?

Godot 7 years, 10 months ago

Wow, Meggers, you have the whole conspiracy against Obama figured out, already don't you? How dare reporters outside the US fail to tow the line?

I do not care one way or another about Obama. I do, however, find it interesting that the Dems are once again pinning their hopes on a guy who seems to have a serious problem with telling the truth to the point that he will fabricate his own biography.

bearded_gnome 7 years, 10 months ago

try stowing your antifoxnews prejudice. this story actually started with something called "insight magazine." fox then covered it, along with word that this was apparently coming from opposition research being done by the Hillary Clinton campaign. also, being a Murdoc pub doesn't mean its wrong...hardly.


Jonas, glad you understood my comment as intended. see, you aren't a fool! and, MKH is an obsessed poster! glad that all worked out.

[shape shifting aliens? sausages as parties?]

if the sausage is "king," then, is the biscuit queen?

meggers 7 years, 10 months ago

He didn't fabricate anything, Godot, YOU did. Unless, of course, you can point to a place in either article supporting your allegations that:

a. Obama was named after his mother's boyfriend

and

b. That his mother left him to enjoy the "free life"

Those are YOUR words, not mine. You don't know me, so I would appreciate it if you could refrain from stereotyping me and other democrats or non-republicans, simply because you presented an argument you are incapable of defending.

Yes, I've taken notice of the media's fascination with Obama, particularly the way they have used it to feed an already raging xenophobia in this nation. Here are a couple of examples, just so you don't think I'm making anything up:

Sex offender?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=559kCaH1Shw

Terrorist candidate?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwDlTkWtJZ4

Trained terrorist??

www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRRywAlop4Q

In case you haven't been keeping up, the last story has been completely discredited by both the Associated Press and by CNN.

There is much more, including the numerous "Oops!, I meant OBama, not OSama" moments.", and the split screen with Obama AND Osama, just for 'human interest' purposes.

Good Christ, I don't care who the subject of a given story is, but I DO expect at least an ATTEMPT at integrity and truthfulness.

So, what is it again that Obama fabricated? The fact that his dad was an alcoholic? Nope! He mentions that. The fact that his father wasn't in his life at all when he was growing up? Nope! He mentions that, as well. The fact that he combined some personal accounts for readability? Nope! He disclosed that right fromt the outset.

Where is the fabrication, other than what YOU posted here? Can you defend your allegations at all, or are you merely trying your hand as a cable news writer? I hear Fox is looking for some new material.

Mkh 7 years, 10 months ago

MKH is an obsessed poster

Care to explain this accusation? Am I "obsessed" because I keep asking you questions which disprove all your "points" and you have to continue to ignore them?

Well, don't write a check your butt can't cash gnome.

budwhysir 7 years, 10 months ago

Politicaly speaking, is it required that you have a resume when starting in politics??

Godot 7 years, 10 months ago

I began the discussion about the news stories about Obama to point out that it is absurd, I repeat, absurd, to hold a person responsible for the actions of his parents.

However, I think it is incredible that Obama gets a "by" on the fabrication of his autobiography simply because he admitted in the forward that he made stuff up.

Godot 7 years, 10 months ago

Do we find Obama's tome in the "autobiographical fiction" section at Borders?

Godot 7 years, 10 months ago

No wonder Soros and the Hollywood left are in love with Obama.

http://www.examiner.com/a-536474~Trapped_between_two_worlds.html

meggers 7 years, 10 months ago

Godot says: "However, I think it is incredible that Obama gets a "by" on the fabrication of his autobiography simply because he admitted in the forward that he made stuff up."

I've read the forward to the book, but it's apparent you haven't. Please point me to where he says he "made stuff up"? The ironic thing is that had Obama not disclosed the fact that he used some literary license in sequencing and character development, straw-graspers such as yourself wouldn't have been the wiser (and I use that term loosely).

Where again did you read that Obama was named after his mother's boyfriend, or that his mother shipped him off to live with his grandparents so that she could live the '"free" life???

Were you simply MAKING STUFF UP, Godot???

werekoala 7 years, 10 months ago

Joe Biden is an interesting and intelligent guy who always seems to say exactly the wrong thing at the wrong time from the best of intentions. He's the Kerry of this campaign cycle.

I guess my biggest counterpoint to Cal's column is:

What were Lincoln's credentials prior to election? Twice-defeated in the senate, state senator from Illinois. It's not about rank, it's about skill, and I like Obama's message, delivery, and ability to attract the disenchanted.

And another point, just to put Cal's whining about taxes into perspective: Sure, the upper 1% pay 35% of taxes, but they also have over 50% of the wealth.

werekoala 7 years, 10 months ago

"We're 21 months from election day and look at what the pathetic Dems are already up to."

Fulfilling their promises for the first hundred hours, raising the minimum wage, etc. They're pretty busy, actually. Obama just introduced a bill to have us out of Iraq by March of 2008.

The worst that y'all have been able to scrape up is that American Samoa was left out of the original min wage bill, as has been practice for decades, but was immediately changed to avoid the appearance of misconduct.

They really haven't done much yet that I can object to - and don't worry, I'll be the first to shout when they do. But right now, you're complaining about, what, exactly?

Your side had SIX YEARS. six years to do whatever you wanted - the current state of affairs is one republicans have chosen, no doubt about it. The fact that they're out is because people are starting to realize that electing anti-science, anti-regulation nutballs who want to turn us into a free-market version of Iran may not actually have the best interests of the American people in mind.

werekoala 7 years, 10 months ago

Ah, a blog, which repeatedly quotes unnamed "experts". Verily, you've stumbled across the story of the century.

I'd find it a lot more credible if:

a) that had anything to do with Pelosi b) it had anything to do with any actions by any Democrat since they took power c) any actual experts had been quoted d) any actual actions had been cited "sometimes she says nice things about military projects, and some of those military projects were awarded to a company her husband invests in. e) there had been any actions taken against Feinstein during the 6 years Republicans were in power - surely if she were violating rules, that would have been a great coup to nail a senior Dem. senator to the wall. f) Halliburton.

Mkh 7 years, 10 months ago

Posted by innocuous_posts (anonymous) on February 1, 2007 at 10:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

And then: http://www.metroactive.com/metro/01.24.0...

Well I'm impressed IP you finally decided to leave the dark side of the force and come over to the Jedi cause against the Empire.

Of course years of calling foul play with politicians and military contractors fell on deaf ears or were rebuffed with cries of "conspiracy"...but now that you've found out the Dems are Guilty TOO, your a born again Freedom Frighter!

Are you ready for a Real Change?

werekoala 7 years, 10 months ago

RT - you're correct, the is concern about the controversiality of Clinton and the experience of Obama.

But you didn't say they should be worried because they're controversial or because they are inexperienced, you said they should be worried because they're "a woman and a black guy".

But Hillary isn't controversial because she's a woman, she's controversial because of her unique history. And Obama isn't inexperienced because he's black, that too is part of his individual history.

So your statement doesn't say what you're trying to pretend it says, no matter how you backpedal - you didn't say, " a controversial woman and a guy with no experience." - you said "a WOMAN and a BLACK guy" - which has no bearing on their experience/divisiveness - only on theiur gender/race.

So your statement is one that they should be worried because of the candidates' race/gender - which is racist and sexist as all hell, no matter how you try to pretend you didn't actually mean what you said.

The scarey thing is, I'm afraid many will vote based on the sex/race of the candidates. Which is bad for our country - competence is not limited to a specific race or gender.

Godot 7 years, 10 months ago

Hillary seriously damaged her chances of becoming president when she did not divorce Bill. Now it is too late.

werekoala 7 years, 10 months ago

Yes, I'm sure Godot would have been first in line to vote for Hillary if she'd divorced Bill.

If you've ever had to deal with infidelity in a committed relationship - you're lucky. But the fact is that its a complex subject that each couple experiences and resolves differently. I'm sure you know a couple that has dealt with this subject, and remained together afterward. Your attitude that somehow Hillary was not weak for leaving Bill might be one reason why they've never shared that with you.

Mkh 7 years, 10 months ago

Posted by innocuous_posts (anonymous) on February 1, 2007 at 12:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mkh, seen any blood-drinking reptiles disguised as the Queen of England lately?

Not sure what this is suppose to mean IP, but if you want to dose me with what your taking, I'll hold out my hand.

Godot 7 years, 10 months ago

The reason Hillary should have dumped Bill is that the American people will realize that, if they vote for Hillary, they are willing to accept an uncontrollable, lecherous, unfaithful (to wife as well as to country) egomaniac as First Husband who will put the nation at risk every time he is let out of Hillary's grasp - and this cold realization will force them to vote for anyone but Hill.

werekoala 7 years, 10 months ago

Godot:

I'm not a big fan of Hillary, but I have to admit, seeing the collective aneurysm on Faux News, Freeperville, etc, as Bill reenters the White House would almost be worth it.

Bit cheer up, bucko - Republicans over the last six years were like the nerdy guy who finally gets the head cheerleader - doesn't know what to do with her and is actually disappointed.

I actually think they are much happier as the opposition party - once more they can bitch about how things ought to be without actually having to do anything about it. Hell, they've been coasting on the opposition to abortion for the last 30 years -- yet with 6 years in power, not one attempt to change it. After all, why fix something that works perfectly to motivate the rubes?

meggers 7 years, 10 months ago

Godot says: "The reason Hillary should have dumped Bill is that the American people will realize that, if they vote for Hillary, they are willing to accept an uncontrollable, lecherous, unfaithful (to wife as well as to country) egomaniac as First Husband who will put the nation at risk every time he is let out of Hillary's grasp - and this cold realization will force them to vote for anyone but Hill."

Since when does receiving a blow job pose a national security risk?

Hillary isn't my first pick by a long shot, but I suspect she'll get a great deal of support from the large number of people who DO want Bill back in the WH. And keep in mind, Clinton's approval ratings were higher than Bush's are now, even during the impeachment proceedings. Obviously, people are more tolerant of infidelity than idiocy.

roger_o_thornhill 7 years, 10 months ago

Why do any of you even bother to read Cal Thomas, much less respond to him? The guy is nuts.

roger_o_thornhill 7 years, 10 months ago

"...put the nation at risk ..."

Give me a GOPDAMN break!

budwhysir 7 years, 10 months ago

In looking at the facts, I would have to agree, this is a political issue about politics applying for a political position. However, if we allow our view points differ from those in a position of power in politics, we will only have debates and problems on our hands. Now I say, in a political sense, that we will have an election process and then it can be decided about the political positions at hand. Untill then, we will have plenty of time to look at the facts and run a debate over them. Politicaly speaking about this political matter and nothing about the politicaly incorrect message that may be conveyed in politics.

budwhysir 7 years, 10 months ago

RT is there anyone that fits that political description left in politics?? With all of the political restrictions on politics, this may be a politicaly taxing proposition in todays politicaly driven society.

It was just last year that I accepted the political ways of politics and believe me it wasnt as easy as creating a political speach

budwhysir 7 years, 10 months ago

RT:

No this makes no sense to me politicaly or otherwise. But, politics seems to have an unfunny sense of humor

Godot 7 years, 10 months ago

RT, your Republicanic viewpoint obviously conflicts with DU's Democratic viewpoint.

Godot 7 years, 10 months ago

Or, maybe it is Republic viewpoint conflicts with Democrat viewpoint.

consisent. must be consistent.

bearded_gnome 7 years, 10 months ago

well, RT, I'm just catching up with this lengthy thread! whew! noted koala misspoke or lied that tunaboat nan this past week there was news they couldn't fix the American Samoa exemption! hmmmmmmmm...and why not?


actually Bill Clinton's behavior did risk national security: note at least a dozen times he couldn't get it up to kill Osama Bin Laden. further, the trist with Monica easily could've comprimised national security through blackmail etc.


finally, RT, I didn't read your "black guy or a woman" comments as anything other than what you intended. bet you'd join me in working for a president Condi, now there's a fine black woman with experience.

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