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December 29, 2007
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Morrison made hundreds of calls to mistress
Published reports indicate that Attorney General Paul Morrison made hundreds of phone calls this year to his mistress. Enlarge video
Topeka — Attorney General Paul Morrison made hundreds of phone calls this year to a woman with whom he had an affair and sometimes consumed several hours in a single day, records show.
But Morrison said Friday that the affair did not prevent him from making sure the attorney general's office was "back working for the people of Kansas."
Morrison plans to step down Jan. 31. He has acknowledged having an affair with Linda Carter, a former subordinate, but denies her allegations of harassment and professional misconduct.
Carter has said the affair began in September 2005 and continued for two years, while Morrison ran for attorney general in 2006 and after he took office. When it started, he was Johnson County district attorney and she was the office's director of administration. She remained in her county job until Nov. 30, when she resigned.
The county paid for a cell phone for her, and monthly bill records show her phone received more than 500 calls from Jan. 1 through Sept. 29 from one of two cell phones Morrison used or a phone at his home in Lenexa.
The Associated Press obtained copies of the documents Friday from the district attorney's office through an open records request. However, the monthly bills aren't a complete record of the possible contacts between the two, because they don't list calls from Morrison's state-provided land line or calls to the land line in Carter's office in Johnson County.
Still, the calls listed in the billing records totaled more than 10,000 minutes, or almost the amount of time in a week. They were most prevalent in January, tapered off during the spring and spiked again during the summer. More than 40 percent were made between 8 a.m. and 5 p.m. on weekdays, but often began before the work day and ended well after it.
The last calls recorded by the billing records were brief: five within seven minutes, starting at 4:14 a.m. on Sept. 29, all from a phone in Morrison's home. One call, at 1:44 p.m. on July 30, is recorded as having lasted more than two hours.
On July 22, a Sunday, 10 calls consumed more than four hours, according the records. The next day, Carter's cell phone received seven calls, lasting four hours and 40 minutes. On July 25, 11 calls consumed more than six hours, according to the records.
As the sex scandal continues to engulf Morrison, some fellow Democrats, including Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, have said Kansans shouldn't lose sight of his work as a prosecutor for nearly three decades. Morrison noted Friday that he'd formed new units on domestic violence and Internet crime.
"Despite the failings in my personal life, drastic improvements were made this year in the attorney general's office," Morrison said in a statement. "And I never lost focus on my professional duties."
Morrison's critics dismiss his comments about rebuilding the office.
"There is no way to tell if anyone is telling the truth about supposed improvements in their office or whether or they lost professional focus during personal failings without looking at their reputation - which in Morrison's case is shot," said Mary Kay Culp, executive director of Kansans for Life, which frequently has been at odds with Morrison over abortion issues.
Morrison faces three separate investigations. Before resigning in Johnson County, Carter filed a civil rights claim with the federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. Also, the state board that reviews allegations of misconduct against attorneys has launched its own inquiry.
Johnson County District Attorney Phill Kline plans to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate what he has said is evidence of harassment and blackmail.
According to Carter's account, she and Morrison had sex in hotels and inside the Johnson County Courthouse. She also said he promised to divorce his wife, bought her an engagement ring and got a tattoo in September with her initials.
When the relationship soured, she alleges, he threatened to ruin her chances of finding a new job. She also said he tried to get her to provide him with sensitive information about Kline's activities.
Kline previously was attorney general, and Morrison switched parties to challenge Kline's re-election in 2006. After Morrison defeated Kline, Republicans picked Kline to replace Morrison as district attorney.
According to the billing records, Carter received calls on her cell phone regularly from a cell phone number for Morrison after he took office in January. The records show 113 calls during the month.
Those calls averaged 14 minutes in length and the quarter or so of them that occurred during business hours were, on average, half that length.
The number of calls dropped until May, when only seven were recorded, all from a phone at Morrison's home. But one of those calls, on May 25, is listed as lasting an hour and 29 minutes, starting at 2:50 a.m.
The number of calls increased again in June. The records show three predawn calls during the first week of June, including one lasting more than an hour on June 3, again from a phone in Morrison's home.
But no calls were recorded from June 19 through July 12. Then, in the remaining 19 days of July, the bills recorded 106 calls. Calls also were coming to Carter's cell phone at a greater frequency during the work day, the records show.
In July and August, the phone calls totaled more than 4,500 minutes, according to the billing records, an average of 27 minutes each.
According to Carter's account, Morrison told her in July that they should get married. She also alleges that he was seeking information about Kline from her.
The calls stopped again on Aug. 18 and didn't resume until Sept. 19, with one in the morning lasting 45 minutes, according to the records.
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29 December 2007
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The_Voice_of_Reason (Anonymous) says…
Sex in the county courthouse…. how romantic….
29 December 2007
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Bladerunner (Anonymous) says…
Jim is still my favorite Morrison.
29 December 2007
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dirkleisure (Anonymous) says…
Ms. Carter's phone records were reviewed, and Ms. Carter's phones were county phones.
What of the calls made by Ms. Carter? Why are the only relevant calls the ones she received? What of the calls Mr. Morrison received from Ms. Carter's home phone? What of the calls Mr. Morrison made that were initiated as a return call to Ms. Carter?
The reporter in the Cap Journal, and following his lead the Associated Press, chose to report the **TOTAL** number of minutes as being over 10,000, but only report on those calls originating from Morrison. This leaves the impression with the reader that Morrison was initiating **ALL** phone contact.
That is obviously bogus. Reading this article, you would have no reason to think this was a consensual relationship, or that Ms. Carter had actually left her husband and home and taken her own apartment in Lawrence. You would think all contact in this relationship was initiated by Morrison.
Also, it is only briefly mentioned, but why did the District Attorney's office chose to provide only cell phone records in response to an open records request by the AP? And why did the District Attorney's office provide both sets of records to the Cap Journal? Since when does a District Attorney's office provide different sets of records for identical open records requests?
Where are the records of calls made by Ms. Carter? This whole thing has become a witch hunt, or perhaps a warlock hunt…
29 December 2007
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Valkyrie_of_Reason (Kathy Getto) says…
dirk - I agree - Carter is guilty of misuse as well.
29 December 2007
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Centerville (Anonymous) says…
If “working for the people of Kansas” means making doing as you're told to promote and protect the utility and abortion industries, then I wish Morrison had spent even more time on the phone demanding that his mistress get a tatoo, too.
29 December 2007
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dirkleisure (Anonymous) says…
You will note there is an independently written story in the Kansas City Star today, based again upon phone records they received.
Phone records they received yesterday.
All three of these media organizations requested phone records shortly after the original Cap Journal story, I'm certain of that. Somehow, the Cap Journal reporter obtained the records on Thursday.
The Star and the AP received the records on Friday. There is just no chance that these reporters, who all office together in the Statehouse, didn't make identical open records requests for these phone records at around the same time. Why did the DA's office provide records to the Cap Journal one day earlier? According to the Star, the records from the AG's office were received days ago.
According to the story in the Star, the records received from the District Attorney's office actually **OMIT** calls placed by Ms. Carter. The DA's office only provided those calls received from Mr. Morrison. According to the Cap Journal, that newspaper has records of “numbers” assigned to Ms. Carter. Plural means more than just the cell phone.
Manipulation of public records and selective response to an Open Records request is a brand new low from the Jo Co District Attorney's office.
29 December 2007
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justthefacts (Anonymous) says…
Check the staff members who work for the TCJ - rumor (which I do not usually repeat - but this one can be checked out) has it that a member of their staff is married to one of PK's top aides. I'd be suprised if the LJW staff is not aware of that connection.
As for how and when a response is given to an open record request, if the public agency got the same exact request on the same exact day, they would probably respond exactly the same and at the same time. However, any change in the date a request was received or the exact wording of the request, could/would result in different responses. Unless all the media outlets coordinated their KORA requests, it is likely that the public agencies got similar but not exactly the same requests. It is also likely that the requests were not made on the same day(s). What is somewhat remarkable is that they got records at all. Before this, no record requests asking for the phone records of an AG have ever succeeded. LJW staff who wants to check on that may want to ask any of the old AG's how many requests they got for their phone records and if they ever provided any.
29 December 2007
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sunshine_noise (Anonymous) says…
It just angers me that these politicians get paid lots of money - yet have so much free time on their hands. Yet people like me who work no-stop all day struggle just to buy groceries. I tell ya politicians get paid WAY too much for what they do. It's legal highway robbery and has been this way for ages and the only ones who can change it are the ones getting the big bucks.
29 December 2007
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29 December 2007
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mushhawk (Anonymous) says…
is having an affair illegal?
who cares about his personal life. why did he get chased out of office?
silly republican state in which we live….
that's OK, sebelius now gets to appoint a replacement.
29 December 2007
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mushhawk (Anonymous) says…
ps: morrison hooked up with linda carter!?
wonder woman??!! sweet! :)
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29 December 2007
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SpiritTat (Anonymous) says…
getting scr**ed in a courthouse ain't anything new, folks.. :)
29 December 2007
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overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says…
I was so hot for Linda 27 yrs ago.
29 December 2007
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overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says…
Can you think of any better job stress relief than walking down the hall and having sex in the janitors closet? I am getting hot, does anyone have a picture of this woman?
29 December 2007
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BigPrune (Anonymous) says…
Has anyone looked at their respective family trees? Could they be cousins?
29 December 2007
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justthefacts (Anonymous) says…
A. Kansas law still prohibits adultry (it's on the books as a crime). No one gets prosecuted for it these days (unless you lived in Dickinson county when ER was their county attorney). So since you asked, technically yes, an affair is against the law (if you and/or your partner is married).
B. Morrison chose to resign. Why he did so is not 100% known by anyone but him - yet. However, it was probably not b/c he had an affair. Rather, he's still facing possible criminal and/or civil rights and/or ethical charges in connection with the allegations. One is that he tried - really hard - to get LC to tell him confidential information from the DA's office. And there is a lot of background info that seems to indicate that PM's conversation with his lady love were taped; so there may be some evidence of what he said to her that will come out eventually (unless he pleads out before that happens). The story is not that he had an affair or took a lot of time to talk to this female. The story will eventually be whether he broke laws or ethical codes of conduct. He's retained counsel to help him in those areas.
C. The media in general hates PK more then any other public official in Kansas. So if the TCJ leans a bit the other way, it may just balance out the bias a tiny bit.
D. PM took a BIG salary cut ($20,000+) to move from the Johnson county DA job to AG. So if he was all about “the money” he would not have taken the AG job.
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RonaldWilson (Anonymous) says…
It's all about obstruction of justice. Paul Morrison committed a crime ten times worse than Scooter Libby, yet you lefties wanted his head. Now where's the outcry for Morrison's head? Oh no, he's a friggin' saint, right? He's just gettin' his screw on in the janitor's closet, right? You loud-mouthed lefties are losing what small minute shred of credibility you ever had. When you want to fry Scooter Libby for forgetting a conversation, and not Morrison for trying to influence and derail an investigation, you have truly shown you have no character or principles. You can imagine every excuse possible for Paul Morrison, but Bush lied, right? He couldn't have made an honest mistake, right? Silly Lefties.
29 December 2007
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RonaldWilson (Anonymous) says…
It's a vast cell phone conspiracy!
29 December 2007
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overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says…
Riiiiiiiight! Scooter and Paul it is exactly the same thing. For the record it has only been the last 7 years that Neo-pawns have annoyed me more than the Hippycrits. The Jesus was a poor oil baron crew, are just more dangerous.
So I guess you fall into the insufferable pi$$ ant category.
29 December 2007
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overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says…
Yes! the wonder cleavage was compelling.
29 December 2007
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overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says…
I still have horrible images of Bill wagging his finger in my face.
29 December 2007
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justfornow (Anonymous) says…
Are some of you actually defending Paul Morrison? Just because he's in your “party”, your the biggest problem in this country, you've forgetten right from wrong.
29 December 2007
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RonaldWilson (Anonymous) says…
americorps (Anonymous) says:
RonaldWilson (Anonymous) says:
It's all about obstruction of justice. Paul Morrison committed a crime ten times worse than Scooter Libby, yet you lefties wanted his head. Now where's the outcry for Morrison's head?
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Please, Ronald |Wilson, do not let the fact that every major democratic leader in the state both called for his resignation and an independent investigation interrupt you. You pathetic liar.
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Americommie, I am addressing my fellow posters on this forum, not the Democrat party at large. BTW, nice personal attack. Thought you tolerant lefties didn't do that. I must have hit a nerve, you pathetic pinko.
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RonaldWilson (Anonymous) says:
It's all about obstruction of justice. Paul Morrison committed a crime ten times worse than Scooter Libby, yet you lefties wanted his head. Now where's the outcry for Morrison's head?
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Yes the nutty right would think that sex is ten times worse than treason! At this time the harrassment accusation is only Morrison's word against Carter's. Both are liars and cheaters. Unless someone taped any of those phone calls or listened in on their conversations nothing can be proven. Time will tell.
29 December 2007
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RonaldWilson (Anonymous) says…
its_getting_warmer (Anonymous) says:
Most ridiculous statement for the week: “Paul Morrison committed a crime ten times worse than Scooter Libby”
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That post proves your ignorance and/or hypocrisy on both topics.
29 December 2007
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RonaldWilson (Anonymous) says…
Jane, Scooter was not charged with treason. Put down the bong, turn off AirAmerica and take a nap.
29 December 2007
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RonaldWilson (Anonymous) says…
Coming from you, that's high praise. Thank you.
29 December 2007
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justthefacts (Anonymous) says…
PM was a Democrat for less then 3 years. So party big-wigs had no great loyalty to him personally. He did what they asked/wanted; ran against PK and unseated him. Now the Governor can hand pick a replacement, who may do a good enough job to be considered the incumbent in the next AG election.
When former AG Robert Stephan (who served for 4 terms, 16 years) was sued for sexual harassment, then breach of the confidentiality clause of that agreement, then (federally) criminal charges for perjury for his testimony about releasing the terms of that agreement the Republican party did not (as a whole) throw him under a bus. Neither did the voters. Rather, throughout all that, he was till elected 2 more times. I wonder if he'd fare as well these days and/or what made PM get less support from “his” party and constiuents? Perhaps he'd not been a Dem long enough? Perhaps there are facts known to insiders that aren't known to the general public (yet)? Only time will tell (maybe).
29 December 2007
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Godot (Anonymous) says…
Sebelius says that Morrison has done so much to keep Kansans safe. What did he do?
Go to the CJonline, do a search on Morrison. I cannot see that Morrison did much in office that did not have something to do with either Kline's staff, Tiller or Planned Parenthood.
29 December 2007
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justthefacts (Anonymous) says…
He did about what all other AG's have done in their first year of office.
PM was a career prosecutor who, while in Johnson county, personally handled the trial work for some of the biggest murder cases ever tried in Kansas in recent years. Try doing a search on all Kansas papers, particularly those in Johnson county area, to see a list. His forte was as a criminal prosecutor and he was the first AG in recent memory to personally try cases rather then having his assistants do so on his behalf There were several murder cases prosecuted by his Asst. AG in the brief time he was in office. And he personally handled a few criminal cases, in counties OTHER then Shawnee. There's no telling now how good an AG he might have made in the long run - or how bad - he wasn't even in office a full year. Not enough time to do much good or much harm in terms of the whole state. Being a better prosecutor then politician (or husband) was perhaps the cause of his demise.
What I really wonder about - when I allow myself the luxury of speculation without enough information - is how his wife (any wife) might feel if she reads a headline like the one on this story. If I were her, I'd move about 7 states away, change my last name, and never look back.
29 December 2007
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Godot (Anonymous) says…
justthefacts, you have ID'd the real victim: Morrison's wife; and his kids have been harmed beyond our comprehension.
29 December 2007
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sdinges (Anonymous) says…
I'd be much more interested in this if the affair was with Britney Spears. Is there some way we can slip that into the next article?
29 December 2007
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Centerville (Anonymous) says…
The Democrats are desperate to keep this all about a creepy middle-aged affair. Whenever the focus starts to shift to Morrison using his office to impede investigations of his (and Biggs') biggest contributor, the Democrats start screaming that all the Republicans are gay. LIke that's a bad thing. Go figure.
29 December 2007
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crazyks (Anonymous) says…
If making personal phone calls and being on internet forums while at work, especially if you work in any government office, at any level, is such a horrible thing, then I guess a lot of you will be in trouble next, huh?
29 December 2007
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dagopman (Anonymous) says…
Centerville, you hit it on the head! The issue is NOT the affair, that is a personal matter, the issue is whether Morrison used his office (and personal position as AG) to obstruct justice. Only time will tell!
29 December 2007
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
I am given to understand in this thread if one is a adulterer, a scumbag; one who holds such vows as the personal contracts of marriage as meaningless and a slug in his/her personal life that the job performance of the individual should not be held in question relative to his/her expected performance as a public ofifcial.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm………………………………………
30 December 2007
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pace (Anonymous) says…
I don't think the sexual harassment case works if you talk for hours to the guy. He sounds like a romantic fool.
30 December 2007
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crazyks (Anonymous) says…
I don't think one necessarily has anything to do with the other, Marion. You yourself admitted to cheating…did you quit the job you had at the time? Did you view yourself as unworthy to hold that job, since your decision to have an affair obviously meant that you couldn't do your job?
Honestly, if how you conduct your personal life, especially concerning marriage and/or affairs, really had that much of an impact on how well you can do your job, then probably half the population should just resign right now.
JFK was a womanizer, and is still considered one of the best presidents we've ever had. His affairs were known at the time, but back then the news just didn't talk about it. Even now that it's well-known, he's still considered one of the best presidents.
Why do most Americans want to hold politicians to a higher standard than they hold themselves to?
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justthefacts (Anonymous) says…
Sigh. Really, do people believe this is only/really/mostly about the affair? If so, no wonder “magazines” like US and People have such a prominent place at stores.
As has been pointed out repeatedly (but apparently not absorbed by some commenters) there are serious charges against PM that are still pending in formal and investigatory stages.
1. Informed people really do not care about the affair - while perhaps fascinated in the way people can't look away from horrible car crash pictures - most mature adults realize the affair is a personal matter (despite there being a Kansas law that still exists and criminalizes adultry). For myself, I feel for his wife and kids the most.
2. Informed people are more worried about or intersted in how the charges of illegal conduct will eventually turn out.
From what I have read, there are three categories of charges that have been leveled - (a) sexual harassment (a civil case by LC, now pending before the EEOC); (b) (attempted) inteference with an on-going criminal case and misuse of public property/funds while in the DA's office (which if true can result in criminal charges); and (c) breach of attorney ethics in connection with the same behaviors in (a) & (b) (if true could result in action against his law license).
These are serious charges and matters. Whether you are a D or an R. Anything having to do with those matters is news. If it only has to do with the affair, serious journalists will leave it to The National Inqurirer to report (but of course won't b/c it doesn't pay the bills to ignore salacious stories).
30 December 2007
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JJE007 (Anonymous) says…
Shrub was deeply disliked by America. As a kid growing up, we often commented on how bad he was if a relevant topic presented itself. He was a *double naught* fascist, imperialist, corpse loving plutocrat. That was the only reason he never gained star status as a president. He would have been a great president if elected during his debauchery days and been assassinated after serving 1/2 year. He was an oily Texas brat from a corrupt family. He was a piss ant, maybe worse than a willy. He barely beat Gore and there is much speculation some ballots were never counted in close raceslike in Florida.
What did he do that was so great? WWIII? He stole rights with his hoof in mouth disease of lying. He neverand he felt he had to address any issue even near the end of his long, stolen and relatively inconsequential term in office.
As far as the 'dynasty', money, freinds, being propped up by daddy and daddy's freinds and the insider influence etc etc etc that the frothy Bush clan embodies, even JFK was inconsequential.
JFK was not anything great:the assassination elevated him in the minds of Americans as a legend. Bush, on the other hand, spent 8 years in office ignoring all but the world inside the head of the collective brotherhood of graft. It would take far more than a piece of lead to elevate him beyond that toilet of patriarchal theft and it will take years to wrest back the sanity he crushed with his giggling acceptance of bully mind arrogance.
Oh. WAIT! Wrong topic! We were talking about The Orifice or The Western Wingnuts or some other media distraction…right?~)
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Wilbur_Nether (Anonymous) says…
RonaldWilson wrote to americorps: “BTW, nice personal attack”, then followed it up with “…you pathetic pinko.”
Sigh.
justthefacts notes “Kansas law…criminalizes adultry.”
Fine. Charge the AG under this statute so he can have his day in court, and we can be done with it.
30 December 2007
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overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says…
Oh Wilbur that would make sense and be no fun.
30 December 2007
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overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says…
I would like to hear white_thinker and Ronald say a true old school conservative is. I can not stand what the Republicans have become. Because I say this I am a democrat lefty loon commy pinko. Centerville I don't know if your screen name is appropriate. One I am not Democrat. I am nothing but continually disappointed.
30 December 2007
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janeyb (Anonymous) says…
Uh, right. Except Libby was convicted of not telling the truth about something that - hey, guess what - he really didn't do anyway.
It's okay, janey, it appears facts confuse you.
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Libby was convicted on one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury, and one count of obstruction of justice. A little more serious than the above statement, but exactly as FOX news presented it. So right wing nuts pick up the remotes and change the channel.
Libby should have been charged with treason for being involved in the leak of the name of a CIA operative. He was also involved in the Iraq WMD haox and the secret contract meetings with Halliburton. Don't know how Bush and Cheney have survived without him. And most of all he should be charged with something for willingly going through life being called Scooter.
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allateup (Anonymous) says…
justthefacts…..I've been trying to figure out how to explain it all day……very well put!! Thank you!
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Wilbur_Nether (Anonymous) says:
RonaldWilson wrote to americorps: “BTW, nice personal attack”, then followed it up with “:you pathetic pinko.”
Sigh.
justthefacts notes “Kansas law:criminalizes adultry.”
Fine. Charge the AG under this statute so he can have his day in court, and we can be done with it.
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Wibur,
It was a parody of the insult slung at me. That's my style. I don't apologize for it.
And, you have obviously missed about 80% of the posts on this thread addressed at fools like you that don't understand it not about the affair. Get it through your skull, it's about obstruction of justice. Paul will have to answer to Mrs. Morrison for the affair. The State of Kansas is interested in his meddling with the Johnson County Prosecutor's investigation of Planned Parenthood. BTW, I heard a rumor that Mrs. Morrison recently (since Paul resigned and admitted the affair) called Phill Kline to apologize for attacking him after the Kline ads during the campaign mentioned Paul's previous sexual harassment suit. Seems like she has some class. Too bad her husband doesn't.
30 December 2007
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RT, RonaldWilson and others would believe Eisenhower and Goldwater to be pinkos by their standard of today.
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Not true, for me at least. As a paleoconservative, I admire Barry Goldwater. Eisenhower was before my time. But, I understand he knew how to win a war, so he's OK in my book.
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At 10:10 p.m., RonaldWilson defended his 4:19 Dec. 29 post by writing “Wibur[sic], It was a parody of the insult slung at me. That's my style. I don't apologize for it.” Then he referred to me as a “fool” who should “Get it through [my] skull….” Hence demonstrating that making personal attacks is apparently *not* a parody, simply a way RonaldWilson chooses to interact with the e-world. He will, I trust, forgive me if I don't expect him to “apologize for it.” He also failed to recognize the underlying sardonic nature of my own response to justthefacts' prior post. Again, I expect no apology. I would, however, recommend that he rectify his shocking lack of understanding of Kansas' favorite son, Ike Eisenhower. With the Eisenhower Center located conveniently in Abilene, no self-respecting Kansan should use the excuse that they don't understand much about the other man other than “I understand he knew how to win a war.” His career, leadership, and Presidency are deserving of thoughtful study and great respect. RonaldWilson's cavalier, parody-like response to its_getting_warmer is a tremendous injustice to his memory and legacy.
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jonas (Anonymous) says…
You know, Morrison looks like he must be the brother of John Scherer, the video professor.
http://www.videoprofessor.com/
http://www.morrisonforag.com/home/
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Wilbur,
What about this issue? You never addressed my main point that it's not about the affair. Do you understand what's at stake if we let our state politicians get away with obstructing the investigations of county prosecutors? You can get sidetracked with the insults if you want, but your original post had a 'head in the sand' mentality to it.
And, just to spell it out for you, as you may not read every thread on here, lefties are constantly complaining about the politics of personal destruction and being tolerant of diversity. So, when I get personally attack and my diverse opinion is not tolerated so well, it smacks of hypocrisy. That is why I mentioned the personal barb aimed at me. But, truthfully, I secretly get a chuckle out of reading those types of posts. Unfortunately, it reinforces my belief that liberalism is a mental disorder.
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Wilbur_Nether (Anonymous) says…
Sigh. OK, RonaldWilson, I agree with you that it isn't (or, more precisely, *should not be*) about the affair. And I suspect I understand what's at stake better than you. But keep in mind what H. L. Mencken is credited with saying: “When a man insists it's not about money, you can be sure it's about money. And when a man insists it's not about sex, you can be sure it's about sex.”
Go back and look at my post again. justthefacts stated that Kansas has a law on the books criminalizing extramarital affairs. I essentially dared justthefacts to enforce it. I suspect the courts would throw it out, thus strengthening your point of view. You can call that a “head-in-the-sand” mentality if you like.
Good work, by the way, at policing hypocrisy on these threads.
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OK, right_thinker, I'll take that bait. What IS a “true Conservative,” and how does one identify that person?
And, incidentally, isn't “radical centrist” an oxymoron? What is the difference between a radical centrist and a “true” centrist?
And since we're delving into comparative political ideologies here…what is a “true Liberal” and how does one identify THAT person?
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Judging from the posts on this “award-winning forum”
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Oops did I offend LJW? If you don't want me to offend the all morality is relative to genitalia crowd, then try not printing stories that are so unbelievably slanted. You want serious discourse then you better start removing a lot more comments on these threads.
Yeah right it isn't about the affair. Professional ethics, misuse of office and obstruction of justice.
Why are these things so much more important when it involves sex scandal?
It will be interesting to see who gets a bigger smack down, mayor Sue or AG Paul. I'll put my money on Paul.
Was it the objectivity and journalism is dead part that got me removed or the kneeling in front of the crucifix while m!@#$%$ part?
Why have such winded usage agreement?
Why not just say we have the right to remove whatever we do not like?
Oh yeah right you have have to appear to remain impartial.
People who want to crucify who ever has sex with someone other than their marital partner, are not open to logic or crime relative to scale.
So no, I don't try to always be scholar like with my posts. I tried that with my Neo-con brother for 15 years. Besides there are others here that do that.
The only thing I can do is say something that will get them hot under the collar. Then watch there own private Fred Phelps seep through for all to see.
Long live Lenny Bruce, Gorge Carlin, Richard Prior, Bill Hicks, Dave Chapel, Chris Rock, Robin Williams, and even Bill Maher and John Stewart. No one is safe. It is not that they are ridiculously Liberal. It is just that the people who think that to be close to Jesus you have to hate your PEE PEE are more funny.
It is because of these people that we have suffered the worst administration in history. Pardon me if I make a joke at their expense.
From my perspective, comparing a state AG's lack of ability to control his Mojo to outing a Cia agent in charge of tracking down loose Nuks is just as offensive as anything I wrote.
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And not nearly as funny.
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JJE007 (Anonymous) says:
Judging from the posts on this “award-winning forum”
True Conservative = Fox News Believer
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Now, here is an example of the shallow, reactionary, brain-dead political exchange that comes from these lefties. Not one conservative on this forum has invoked Fox News as a source, but the lefties are always projecting that allegiance on us. I suspect it could come from their belief that as they are spoon fed what to think by CNN, AirAmerica, NPR, etc., that we, conservatives, must likewise gobble up our marching orders from some central authority like Fox or Rush Limbaugh. Well, the heart of conservatism is reliance on self, rugged individualism. So, therefore we tend not to engage in relying on one source for news, entertainment, or even income. We are quite diverse in the way we gather our information. Liberals, on the other hand, are a communal lot. They tend to use phrases like 'community' and 'village'. They like to have a 'movement' behind them. They embrace 'group-think'. They dislike dissention in their ranks. Opposing veiws are not tolerated. The have no priciples to rely on, or if the do they no longer can trust the priciples due to peer pressure from their group to ignore the priciples. So, they need a central figure to establish what is acceptable or not. Therefore, they tend to get their news from mainly one central source or another, such as those listed above, and that is the basis of their belief that conservatives love Fox News.
As for me, I don't watch it. It's too left-winged for my tastes.
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overplayedhistory,
Take a pill, dude. Being an offensive ass is not productive. The people you mentioned as heroes were/are just trying to make a buck being controversial. If you fail in the smarts department and don't know how to make a salient point, perhaps you should study more and gain some perspective rather than just try to stir up crap.
And, why do you have to hate your PEE PEE to love Jesus? Where did that come from? Sounds like more projecting to me….
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Is it a true conservatives job then to stay out of wars and but out of others business? Every other war was started by a democrat Except for Iraq 1, the whole world was behind that one.
I mean if you are self reliant and a rugged individual then shouldn't you look for a less expensive way to power your society by relying on your own resources and innovation? Small constitutional size Government less spending, no nation building are these not some of the conservative values?
Do no bid contracts sound like an unrestricted free market to you?
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peachesncream (Anonymous) says…
like i have said before and will say again…… a million ppl a day have affairs……….. he just happens to be somoene we all know and CAN obviously talk about and everyone knows what the other is talking about. just like clinton, etc etc who gives a flying rats. @$$ if he had the affair, did he hurt me ? did he hurt you? i think not… god people get a life of your own and quit living someone elses for them…grow up this is the adult world.
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overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says…
Spoken by an offensive A$$, that does not mean much like everything else you say. Please continue. I will put my self reliance up against yours any day DUDE.
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one commenter above said “I essentially dared justthefacts to enforce it.”
UH…..I can't. I am not a criminal prosecutor in the county where the alleged violations of criminal law occurred. Those are the only people who have the power to bring a criminal charge. My mentioning that there is a law on the books that criminalizes adultry was merely to keep the facts straight (for those who keep saying “an affair is not against the law”). So even if I wanted to file charges, which I do not, I could not do so.
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And no, the affair did not hurt me personally (unless you want to talk existentalistic philsophy about how everyone's actions impact the whole world in some way). However, do you believe that anyone who tries to get an employee of a DA to break the rules (by breaching confidences required of all staff in such offices) has done nothing the law should be concerned about? Or that sexual harassment of employees isn't against the law? I'm not saying PM did those things. He was, however, accused of violating those laws/rules. So it is NOT about the affair - despite the purient interest of some. It IS (or should be) about the alleged violations of the (other) laws!
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overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says:
Spoken by an offensive A$$, that does not mean much like everything else you say. Please continue. I will put my self reliance up against yours any day DUDE.
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JJE007 (Anonymous) says…
This is a place of one liners and mean spirits. I was responding in kind to what I've seen from others. I do not watch any news. It's just too informative!~) *gag*
I am an intelligence party supporter who recognizes that anyone who takes much of anything on Fox (or any other) News as even slightly fair or unbalanced is an idiot.
Mean spirits are idiots, too. Are you a mean spirit, overplayedhistory? Yeah. That's what I thought.
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allateup (Anonymous) says…
Narcissistic people…..they will never get it justthefacts, they will never understand that this is not all about an affair!
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ksdivakat (Anonymous) says…
ok, im trying to understand all this politic stuff so that i can vote next year and make a good informed decision, I am neither rep, or dem, but i need to know what a couple words mean that you guys keep using on here…..the first is “pinko” what does that mean and also what is a “radical centrist” and a “true” centrist? if someone could enlighten me, id be most appreciative! You guys are all very interesting to read your political beliefs, you are all very intelligent in what you post, and believe it or not I have learned a great deal from all of you who post about political things, but Im curious about those 3 words right now…thanks everyone and have a great New Year!!
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Crossfire (Anonymous) says…
This is a non-issue.
The governor should refuse to accept Morrison's .
Paul did not break and law.
He only violated one of those “Thou shalt not's…”
No big deal.
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Crossfire (Anonymous) says…
Do you really believe that Paul is the only DA that Wonder Woman has lassoed.
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RonaldWilson (Anonymous) says…
ksdivakat,
In my opinion, 'pinko' is derived from the label 'Red Communist'. A pinko tries to hide his communist leanings, but some of the red shows through, hence he looks pink, lighter red, in his views. A pinko that is an environmental wacko is called a 'watermelon'. He's all green on the outside, but red at heart, the radical environmental movement being the new home for communism.
As for centrists, I can't figure them out.
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overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says…
Fed up or mean is a matter of perspective JJE007. I doubt our political beliefs are all that different. Mean, probably for I am the product of catholic schooling.
“Thou shalt not's…” No big deal.
Thats blaspheme! Better watch out crossfire.
We are supposed to be serious and play by RW's rules which he himself cannot follow.
A softer more velvety form of corporate fascism is what you are slowly marching toward, while wrapped in the flag and the cross. Please, seriously lay out the true conservative values for us RW. Since you are far more educated than myself. I really want to hear it in your words, and save us the Rugged individualism stump speech. Give us something concrete.
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justthefacts (Anonymous) says…
For definitions (real ones, not the opinion of 100 people who can/will never agree on a single thing) just put “definition” and the word/phrase into a search engine box (like google.com) and read the definitions online. It wouldn't hurt to put “politics” in the search engine either, with the words you want to research. Hope that helps you find out information. Please do not mistake opinions for facts. They both have their place, but the line between them is often blurred (especially in this anonymous format).
And narcistism is when someone is too interested in themselves. In this case, some folks are too interested in being mean, calling names, ignoring facts, and anything else that keeps them from focusing upon themself!
And finally, it is well known that PM would not have resigned if the only allegations were that he'd had an affair. He would not have resigned if there wasn't a lot more alleged (and possibly pending).
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justthefacts,
wondering, since when does well known translate to facts?
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Sorry. When I do not stick to well known facts that it's a slip. However, rest assured that when I say something that is not common knowledge, there are facts to back it up. In this case, PM's staff had a meeting w ith him 1/2 hour before he resigned publicly, and things were said that are now being repeated to some people. His staff is rather large, so their circle of friends and relatives is rather large. Word spreads. As for when does well known translate to facts, I suppose it's a matter of consensus - but I have learned (the hard way) that some people will argue over anything - including whether a chair is a chair or not. So of course there are “facts” that - while generally recognized by 99% of people - will still find some argument from some quarters.
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overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says…
I think that all news has special interest agendas. They are called advertisers. I am mean. So does one count of idiocy cancel out the other count of not being an idiot JJE007. I am going to confession now I hope it is not the same as last time.
Three Hail Marries
Four our Fathers
And a BJ behind the confessional.
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Wilbur_Nether (Anonymous) says…
Well, this thread has certainly jumped the shark.
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RonaldWilson (Anonymous) says…
I've been thinking about this 'radical centrist' thing, and it seems to me there is a group that define themselves as centrist, but will never take a firm or consistent stand on any issue. They consider themselves more thoughtful and cautious than the rest, taking time to consider every nuance of a particular issue. My impression of that process of politcal participation is that they are afraid to be the first to speak up, from fear of what others might think. They don't pay enough attention to make astute political observations, so they use the excuse of being thoughtful to buy time to find out which way the wind is blowing before they speak up. It's a good way to try to look involved without having to think very hard. I don't know if that's the definition of 'radical' centrist or not. Maybe those folks are casual centrists.
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…
actually gigolo, any poster with ounce of brains would run simple search and see he wasn't. Guess that though would never occur to rightwingers. scum is scum, pimp or gigolo.
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…
justthefacts, well know rumors are not facts. Like the current pres and his lies about Iraq. And the rumors that right winger is not a nut case.
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overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says…
And you still have said nothing RW. Answered nothing. RW please go on I can't get enough. Just get to the part about what the a true conservative is. Like Eisenhower. Please enlighten us simpletons who don't pay enough attention and simply just don't get it. I am for but a sheep who needs to follow your wind. Since I have no mind to go anyway but which it blows. Radical Centrist it is so pulled out of your ……. butt so profound. Since as Wilbur said this thread has jumped the line let me add. Did he do his Job well?
I am sorry Wilbur I just have to know what RW's definition is because like a politician he still has not told us. Define every other position sure. Come on Ronald I'll show you mine If you show me yours.
Wait I don't need to tell you because you already know. Right? You got me I am a radical Watermelon centrist. I could not have defined myself better.
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justthefacts (Anonymous) says…
Well known rumors are indeed not facts. However, it is a fact (not a rumor) that 30 minutes before he had the press conference to resign PM told his staff why he was resigning. And it was not just b/c he'd had an affair but rather he feared there was “more to come.” So does that fact qualify as a fact?
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peachesncream (Anonymous) says…
facts are no one knows but wonderwoman and PM lets leave the facts of life to them folks…..everyone have a wonderful and joyous new year!
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Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman.
All the world's waiting for you,
In your satin tights,
Fighting for your rights
And the old Red, White and Blue.
Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman.
Now the world is ready for you
Make a hawk a dove,
Stop a war with love,
Make a liar tell the truth.
Wonder Woman,
Make the Axis fall,
Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman.
You're a wonder, Wonder Woman.
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RonaldWilson (Anonymous) says…
Does anybody else think overplayedhistory is posting under the influence. Go back and read his posts. Really. They just read like “the annoying drunk guy at the party” talks.
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Does anyone think that Ronald doesn't want to define for us the position and values of what he calls a true conservative. You are so good at all the other definitions, Pinko, watermelon and on and on. My point is the parties and terms have been so twisted around that I am not sure if you can define it.
I am starting to wonder if you are younger than 25 given your comparison of me to the annoying drunk guy. You want to ask a question I'll answer. You on the other hand still smear and dodge instead of being straight up.
I got some things I am conservative about and some things I am liberal about. I really don't think those terms mean much anymore. Make up an oxymoronic term to describe me, and I will continue to ask questions you won't answer because it deflates your position. You want to see what a real conservative is then look at Ron Paul and what he says about the civil rights act of 1964. In that area I am a liberal I do think it was the governments job to make Gunther treat black people as human beings who are citizens of the US.
Neo-cons are not conservatives they are radicals.
The reason this article is so ripe for ridicule is because it is a micro non issue. It has just a little bit of a Monica feel to it. Like usual, because it involves hot sex, the freaky evangelical minions will blow it up for political gain. No one here is saying that he should not suffer consequences. Like war designed to make your buddies billionaires everyone will pay for it in the form of taxes, and no citizen will gain a thing.
The fiscal shape of this country is akin to that which has caused other Empires to fall. Real conservatives are not drunken spenders. Real conservatives do not spend taxpayer money on unnecessary wars and sex scandals. Decide whether he used his office illegally or not and settle. Quit spending our money.
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Jesus was a Hebrew Buddhist.
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RonaldWilson (Anonymous) says…
I'm not a Neo-Con. I'm a Paleo-Con. Paleoconservatives invented the term Neo-Con to discribe the folks calling themselves conservative that are weak on issues like illegal immigration, affirmative action, gay rights, hate crime legislation, environmentalism, private property rights, abortion, lower taxes, etc. Paleoconservatives are concerned with protecting our American culture, a culture that created the greatest nation the world has ever known. If our culture erodes, so does the nation it built. We believe in a strict interpretation of the constitution. It is not a living, breathing document. It says what it says. We strongly believe in personal property rights and the rights of the individual. We believe in a strong national defense. Not all wars are bad. Sometimes people need to die to protect this country. We believe the generations of the past were not always wrong. The developed societal norms that served to make things better, and some of those norms are now under attack. We believe in the family unit. A mother and a father is the best combination for parenting children. We believe everyone has the right to live his life as he sees fit, as long as he does no harm and does not restrict the rights of his fellow citizen. We believe in the preservation of innocent life. Fewer abortions, more executions. We believe in the right of self-defense. Everyone is responsible for his own safety and should have the opportunity to protect himself. We also believe these rights, and many others, are granted by God, not man or government. Man and government only serve to limit your rights, sometimes with good reason. I'm sure this answer is incomplete, but if there are any other questions just let me know.
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overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says…
Paleoconservative like the Paleocortex of the brain. The part of the cerebral cortex that we share with reptiles. The center that controls the most primal instincts like fear, food and reproduction. Thank you Ronald you have made me so happy this is the best new years ever.
No wonder those crazy hippies I know think that our current leaders our members of an alien reptile race, in human disguise.
At least we can agree to make fun of them. You are not a conservative you are a reptile.
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RonaldWilson (Anonymous) says…
Look again. Right to self-defense.
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RonaldWilson (Anonymous) says…
No one knows who said it first. Some say Michael Harrington called former lefties Neo-Cons. Some say the Oldtime Conservatives called the wishy-washy conservatives Neo-Cons. I use the term to distinguish socially liberal conservatives (Bush, Guiliani, McCain) from conservatives like myself.
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RonaldWilson (Anonymous) says…
And, I've never heard it self-applied. No one goes around calling themself a Neo-Con.
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“No wonder those crazy hippies I know think that our current leaders our members of an alien reptile race, in human disguise. ”
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That's due to bad acid.
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Godot (Anonymous) says…
I always thought that the phrase “neo-con” was created by liberals as a code word for pro-Israeli Republicans.
Note that the people who most often use the phrase refuse to define it.
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…
rightwinger, watch your blood pressure. Based on posting today, got to be going thu roof. May cut into your performance as a gigolo.
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…
gigolo, explains the hard headed ignorance you display constantly
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Godot (Anonymous) says…
This article by Jim Lobe in the Asia Times piece provides a detailed overview, quite negative in tone, of neo-conservatism.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Pa…
Now, what it the world does this have to do with Paul Morrison and his hundreds of phone calls to Linda Carter?
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What does it have to do with the hundreds of hours she continued to talk to him? Same way women asserted their power in Roman government.
Maybe we should have men who at a certain age have their nuts chopped off. Much like eunuchs of old. Then there will be a class to govern without the costly distracting sex scandals. Naaa I bet they would be insufferable P!$$ Ants too.
I wont dare say we should turn over control to the ladies either. They would turn us into some pathetic creature they would no longer want to have sex with.
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JJE007 (Anonymous) says…
right_thinker, by his own admission and in his own words, “strives to remain ignorant in regards to your…ideology.”.
Who'd'a' thunk it?~)
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Godot (Anonymous) says…
And in this 2004 article, four US writers attempt to answer the question of “What is a neoncon,” and they tend not to agree with one another, and definitely differ with the writer from the Aisan Times I linked to above.
One thing they all agree on is that, in the beginning, neo cons were former liberals, sometimes former socialists or communists, who “grew up.” Could that be why liberals hate them so much, and wield the term as a perjorative?
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Godot (Anonymous) says…
Here is the link:
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitts…
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RonaldWilson (Anonymous) says…
What's wrong with just expecting people to practice good old fashioned morals? Had Mr. Morrison been more moral, in his professional life as well as his personal life, he wouldn't be in this situation. No one would need their nuts cut off if they just used a little self-restraint and did the right thing. If we all self-governed ourselves with the old-fashioned morals that have worked for centuries, a lot of today's trouble, crime, unrest, and scandal could be put to rest. I know it's a radical idea, but I'm willing to go out on a limb and say it, morals are good.
Unless you are vehemently immoral, then those espousing morals get your ire up. Whilst demanding they shut up so as not to remind you of your immorality, you are essentially demanding they adhere to your specific set of twisted morals. Morals that are only understood by you, unpredictable and driven by emotion. Those are the morals of the insufferable fool. He can't live with the expectations of his forefathers, so he must pound out a new set of morals on the spot. The trouble is, if we don't all play by the same rules, chaos ensues. That, my friends, is our current state of American culture.
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its_getting_warmer (Anonymous) says:
RW, Godot, read what RT says: Podhoretz and Kristol, among others, use the term to describe themselves.
Of course, RT confirms this only after spewing insults, as usual. But he admits my 12:12 post was correct.
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Fine. But no one I know, or have heard, calls himself a Neo-Con. Do you call yourself an eco-nut, environmentalist wacko, or a pinko commie? It does have a negative conotation in my circle of friends.
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…
And gigolo, is not your constant mindless name calling the same thing you accuse others of? Your entire posting history consistently is nothing but name calling of anyone who doesn't worship bush a liberal, basically using it as a cuss word. Of course these people (the dreaded liberals) also have the ability to think for themselves, unlike average gigolo who depend upon his performance for his very existence.
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RonaldWilson (Anonymous) says…
I'm gonna go for the hat trick.
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RonaldWilson (Anonymous) says…
“This is what you're dealing with Mr. Wilson and I don't think you'll ever be able to debate or communicate with these psychological trainwrecksnow or in the future.”
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I know that debating lefties seems unproductive. But, somtimes if you beat a dog long enough, he starts to learn. (Take that, PETA) Also, I have a feeling some traditional folks and political newbies read these threads and never post due to the fear of harrassment from the lefties. I just hope they see that there's no shame in being a traditional, old-time, conservative American.
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…
actually ronnie, most people either ignore forum or simply get sick of stupidity posted by those like you and the gigolo. my schnauzer is smarter than average conservative posting here.
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RonaldWilson (Anonymous) says…
beobachter (Anonymous) says:
actually ronnie, most people either ignore forum or simply get sick of stupidity posted by those like you and the gigolo. my schnauzer is smarter than average conservative posting here.
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I submit Exhibit A above as evidence of harrassment from the lefties for having traditional views. Aren't they tolerant of diversity?
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…
ronnie, what are traditional views and what people have them?
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artichokeheart (Anonymous) says…
Hate kills people like a cancer or is that with cancer? Do you know beobachter? We know you do.
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…
Yea, kathy's other persona pops in now and then.
1 January 2008
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…
ronnie, waiting for your usual intelligent well reasoned reply. maybe the gigolo can help you with it.
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its_getting_warmer (Anonymous) says:
Poor little Ronnie. He is so harassed.
Well, I just must not be a bleeding heart.
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Don't cry for me. I'm a big boy I can take it. That was the point of the previous post. I think the more you and your ilk speak out, the more normal people will see the hypocrisy of the left. Bring it on.
And you can try to pretend you're not a leftie, but your tongue betrays you.
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RonaldWilson (Anonymous) says…
Yes, and I think part of it is even they feel some shame for being so far to the left. They think the term moderate will give them some credibility, but once they open their mouths, all credibility is lost. BTW, I noticed you said you claim some Scottish heritage. I, too, am the decendent of Scots. Mine hailed from Orkney.
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Crossfire (Anonymous) says…
You can bet that the Succubus came to Phill in the South Johnson County Store-All/Love Nest.
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overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says…
Its ok now you big bad Scottish men chased everyone away so you can give each other your phone # now. God wants you to have hot gay sex. Christ we all want
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Crossfire (Anonymous) says…
Who's tat is that?
http://www.seattlejeepguy.com/images/…
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KS (Anonymous) says…
Paul Morrison is a “has been”. Why is the LJW even kkeeping this article on the web?
2 January 2008
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…
ronnie, waiting for your usual intelligent well reasoned reply. maybe the gigolo can help you with it.
this was request that you apparently lack brains to respond to.
“ronnie, what are traditional views and what people have them?”
see you and the gigolo spent some time supporting each others ignorance but neither of you con produce anything approaching an intelligent response.
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JJE007 (Anonymous) says…
Ron and right_ are followers of the NC.
“We, the oppressed circle of jerks have our pinkies full and no time to explain the brilliance of our position.” Neo Con Jr. (Rightard Fartist in Residence)
Don't expect an answer!~)
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RonaldWilson (Anonymous) says…
“ronnie, what are traditional views and what people have them?”
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Sorry, I am so tardy in responding. A new employee was supposed to start today and he didn't show up, so I have been dealing with that. Now, the trouble with your question is that you don't even reconize what is traditional anymore. Everything has been so redefined and muddled up that no one is sure what's right and what's wrong. That is where the hippie counter-culture succeeded so well. They took the traditions and societal norms that worked (but that they deemed oppressive) and demonized them to the point that if you hold those traditions in high regard today you are somehow considered bigoted by the so-called mainstream. It's progression for progression's sake, not because the old traditions didn't work. They were just deemed wrong, oppressive to women and minorities, and not hip. I'm not saying people weren't oppressed, but it was not due to our culture. People are oppressed in every culture. Oppression is unfortuntely a very human act. But America has led the world for at least a century (and debatebly longer) as the least oppressive society at any given time. So if you are too far gone to recognize what is traditional, I can't help you in this forum. It would take weeks of intensive study and de-programming to help you recover.
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scenebooster (Anonymous) says:
“Thus confirming Carter's instructions from Satan workedanother succubus has won an earthly battle.”
And there you have it - right thinker is an idiot.
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Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your mouth,
Blowing down the backroads headin' south.
Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your teeth,
You're an idiot, babe.
It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe.
Idiot wind, blowing through the flowers on your tomb,
Blowing through the curtains in your room.
Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your teeth,
You're an idiot, babe.
It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe.
Idiot wind, blowing like a circle around my skull,
From the Grand Coulee Dam to the Capitol.
Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your teeth,
You're an idiot, babe.
It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe.
Dylan.
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…
ronnie, it appears your definition of traditional is the same as my definition of fundamentalism. Traditions change with time and unfortunately what you call traditionalist can not accept change. I think the ones needing de-programming are you and the gigolo and those who say simply, “we've always done it this way” therefore it's the only way.
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RonWison says…
“Sorry, I am so tardy in responding.”
You ARE so VERY tardy.
You spent 209 words NOT responding after saying you were sorry your were so tardy in responding!~)
You are STILL so VERY tardy.
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Crossfire (Anonymous) says…
And there you have it - right thinker is an idiot and a prime candidate for Attorney General for The State of Kansas.
Carrying on in the Vern Miller (Super-Cop) tradition.
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justthefacts (Anonymous) says…
Vern Miller was a Democrat.
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Kontum1972 (Anonymous) says…
allegations of harassment and professional misconduct….ooooh!
didnt Sen. larry craig do this too….
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Finding_Uranus (Anonymous) says…
Ronald Wilson–— “progressive”. A really interesting word you use.
Where is the progress? What has it accomplished, if anything? Domestic partnerships? All I see is idea after idea that really have turned out little or no results. It's a crutch–a pacifier if you will–a feel good notion.
It's a frantic response to a percieved threat from conservatives. This is why they hate Bush for the most part. Progressivism is self-serving and shows the liberals are only concerned with a few–heck with the rest. It's shoveled deep and piled high up to our eyeballs. It allows them to hide from the real dilemmas and problems facing our society and our nation. It gives them a false sense of security, built on a platform of paranoia and suspicion, guilt and shame, denial and intolerance.
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Kontum1972 (Anonymous) says…
Jesus, does not belong to any political party…thats why they strung him up….free-thinker…he also threw out the money changers from the temple..he could not be bought…
Neo-Cons….aka:
Neo-Convicts
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Finding_Uranus (Anonymous) says…
I tried to search for member “gigolo” that beobachter mentioned……doesn't come up…..is there a member named “gigolo”? If there is, this joker must have a high opinion of himself. Is he a Democrat or a Conservative?
I'm guessing a Democrat.
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RonaldWilson (Anonymous) says…
Finding_Uranus (Anonymous) says:
Ronald Wilson- “progressive”. A really interesting word you use.
Where is the progress? What has it accomplished, if anything?
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You're right. That's just it. What the deem to be progress is the erosion of the culture that made this country great. And, BTW, I'm glad the lefties out there are hanging on my every word, and counting them too.
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…
gigolo is a conservative rightwinger, who once identified himself as a gigolo on the forums. he knows who I mean since he responds to my posts regularly.
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RonaldWilson (Anonymous) says…
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“That is where the hippie counter-culture succeeded so well. They took the traditions and societal norms that worked (but that they deemed oppressive) and demonized them to the point that if you hold those traditions in high regard today you are somehow considered bigoted by the so-called mainstream.”
Um, no. You are still free to live “traditionally” to any extent that you like. No one is stopping you from living the way you choose. This is where you fringies get confused - no one but yourself can be responsible for your actions (adultury, etc.):Are you so weak minded as to define yourself by what a supposed “mainstream” thinks?
“Bring it on.”
Thanks for bringing out this enlightened Bush quote to illustrate just how wise an “traditional, old-time, conservative American” like yourself (and the shrub) truly are.
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Nice try. I don't define myself by what the mainstream thinks. But that does not discount the fact that old traditional values are called bigoted now. For example, heterosexuality is wrong, mothers are the best option for the care of their own children, and children should practice abstainence. I could go on.
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RonaldWilson (Anonymous) says…
My mistake. I'm distracted with work. It should read, “Homosexuality is wrong.” And how about, “Women should stay home and raise their kids.” And, “The sexualization of children (up to 18 years) must stop. ”
I attribute those to me. Are you telling me that there is no situation when some leftie is going to think me bigoted or intolerant? If not, then we're done discussing this. There's no point to go on with it. Which is a good idea because I got crap to do.
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I am always gratified to learn from Ronnie that U.S. culture is the pinnacle of world development, and has been for a number of centuries.
I always suspicion xenophobia when the person holding these beliefs debates with insults and name-calling, instead of real discussion. That means you Ronnie.
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One last response: Check the posts again. The lefties out insult the conservatives about 10 to 1. And it's jingoism, not xenophobia.
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Questions For RT and Ronald:
How old is the Earth?
Did you ever serve in the military?
have you ever had to kill someone in service to your country?
Do you own property?
If so do you own any other property other than a house?
Do you have mutual funds or Stock?
Are you concerned about the deficit?
Are you concerned about the current value of the dollar?
Do you make over 250 K a year?
I am just curious because a lot of times people who say the things you do, are not the beneficiaries of the policies they support.
That is the genius of Karl Rove. Getting people who make 50 K a year to vote against the death tax and so forth.
I realize it is personal and not as appropriate as the usual insult slinging. Even if you respond with info wrapped in a bunch of insults I would still appreciate it. I won't even respond with insults, scouts honor.
I will wait at least 20 posts before I call you a reptile again. And if I break that promise you will get to call me lefty loon with no honor. Not that you don't already call anyone who challenges Bush philosophy that anyway.
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New2theplanet (Anonymous) says…
Again, I don't get it. The article focused on phone calls made between Morrison and his mistress. Mercy me, am I the only one receiving phone calls from the Phil Kline corner bashing Morrison? Several times a week , a recorded message is on my answering machine bashing Paul Morrison. I have heard the calls actually come from out of state and support Phil Kline. Help me!!
And for what has Paul Morrison done? Have you never read his decisions on cases in Johnson County? He was the best person to protect children of abuse and other crimes. Unfortunately, we aren't seeing those results with PK.
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RonaldWilson (Anonymous) says…
“See, here's where you seem to have a comprehension problem: No one is stopping you from being straight, marrying a woman who agrees with your child rearing philosopy, and avoiding media that you find objectionable.”
You're dense.
My point is not that I can't be traditional. Read it again. It was that those values are now considered bigoted. It was that those values are now considered bigoted. It was that those values are now considered bigoted.
That's your last chance. I'm not wasting anymore time on this. Apparently the pot smoke is so thick you can't see your monitor clearly. Good day, leftie.
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overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says…
But, Ronald if you are the beneficiary of all the corporate welfare you helped vote in than you should have all the time in the world. Gosh, I hope the high cost of shipping isn't hurting your business.
“true enough, those burgers aren't going to flip themselves.”
Biggest chuckle of the thread.
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…
ronnie, seems like you are the bigot on this thread. along with your gigolo buddy.
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beobachter (Anonymous) says:
ronnie, seems like you are the bigot on this thread. along with your gigolo buddy.
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You have validated my point. People with traditional veiws are called bigots. Thank you.
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…
ronnie, you still haven't defined traditional. I assuming since you can't, you actually mean fundamentalism.
gigolo, knew the profession could be profitable, looks like you latched on to a real prize.
But question is, financial rewards aside, is it worth it?
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RonaldWilson (Anonymous) says…
OK, I'll bite…
overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says:
Questions For RT and Ronald:
How old is the Earth?
How in the hell would I know? 4 or 5 billion, maybe?
Did you ever serve in the military?
Does the Boy Scouts count?
have you ever had to kill someone in service to your country?
Not yet, but I've still got hope.
Do you own property?
Not on paper.
If so do you own any other property other than a house?
Ask my lawyer.
Do you have mutual funds or Stock?
Yep, 15 head.
Are you concerned about the deficit?
No, it's big enough to take care of itself.
Are you concerned about the current value of the dollar?
I keep an eye on it.
Do you make over 250 K a year?
That's between me and the IRS.
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Thank you for playing. Curious yet if you are patriotic with your investments? you have been very cooperative so I don't expect anymore Info.
I would like to say that my roots in Kansas are deep more than 100 years on my dads side.
My dad is life long Republican and owns over 1000 acres of ground roughly 7 quarters. When it comes to money Paps is a wiz. His portfolio beyond the land is extensive. My moms mom hated him, but still trusted him with all her holdings. He is completely disappointed with Bush, on fiscal grounds alone.
He told me that he has never been more scared of an American president In his 78 years.
Why do you not share his fear?
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RonaldWilson (Anonymous) says…
Most of my answers to your questions were purposely vague. Your Dad has more time on this earth than me, but I do remember a President Carter that was fiscally a nightmare, not to mention his foreign policy. President Bush has not lived up to expectations but is preferable to a Gore or Kerry administration. Truthfully, I care much more about the social issues than the fiscal. I figure I can always make more money to offset the fiscal hurdles they throw up, but you can't roll back the social changes you don't agree with. You just can't put that toothpaste back in the tube.
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Godot (Anonymous) says…
When Kline prevailed in court regarding his firing of Morrison's loyal staff members, and when Kline's efforts against Planned Parenthood intensified and met with success, Morrison's phone calls to Carter intensified to the point that most people would consider harrassment, bullying, and obsession.
This is not a liberal or conservative thing; this is about a man desperately trying to cover his tracks and save himself.
No doubt the extent, and perhaps motives, of Morrison's desperate actions will be explored by the grand jury convened in Johnson County.
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If this country decays into fiscal ruin it won't matter what social changes got made or didn't. Yeah your right, once you do things like give women and black people the right to vote there is no putting the toothpaste back in the bottle.
Your problem is the founding fathers were not specific enough with their wording. They didn't think it was necessary, not to mention it just would not have sounded as good when tying to entice cheap exploitable labor from all over the world to come here.
It should of read all white men are created equal.
It should have read freedom of Christian based religion. Not near as lofty sounding is it.
Even though it was Christians who founded this country, wanting to practice whatever variety they saw fit. It is irrelevant, the tooth paste has been out of the bottle for a long time.
Your peeps resistance to living up to the words that actually did make it in to those documents, will cost more money than we can recover from. When we become a third rate power it will be more than fiscal hurdles for you to hop.
I love the Ideas of this country, but we have never fully lived up to them. Every major social ethic battle won over the century was opposed by people like you. From day one it has been a struggle for people to get what the constitution, and the bill of rights promised.
I would fight and die for those not fully realized ideas. That is not a fight that exists out side our borders. Barring a land invasion, if I fight for America it will be against you. America needs to become what it claims to be.
I don't care who our AG puts his member in. I care about who he puts in jail.
One more thing Ronald, for a refresher. Carter was a lame duck because he could not stand up to his opponents in congress. It is more complicated than inflation was high under Carter. The fiscal nightmare was Reagan.
Fact: Ronald Regan ran up the debt to just under a trillion dollars. That was more than every other president put together combined.
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justthefacts (Anonymous) says…
May I suggest that those who are posting personal attacks might want to set up a face to face meeting at a local eatery or watering hole, to discuss their view points in person? That might lead to a more meaningful dialouge and could even result in a new friendship. More then one odd couple has met from blogs/commenting.
Sweeping generalizations and name calling are the province of people who are bored and/or pretending to be more tough then they are in reality. Meeting in person will usually take both out of the equation. Which - if you are interested in promoting peace on earth - is a good way to start making this world a better place - one person at a time.
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dirkleisure (Anonymous) says…
Godot, the case against the fired attorneys from the DA's office is pending.
The efforts by Kline against Planned Parenthood have hardly “met with success.” He has filed charges. A chimp can file charges.
Neither of those issues match up with Linda Carter's statement about the topics of her conversations with Morrison when the phone calls intensified. According to the only party to make a statement about those calls, they were entirely personal in nature, entirely referencing their personal relationship.
That's three strikes, bub. Unless you wish to reveal how you seem to know so much about the content of Morrison's calls, information that runs contrary to printed reports.