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Library expansion not being shelved

August 24, 2007

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John Nalbandian, president of the library board, on new discussions about expanding the Lawrence Public Library. Enlarge video

Library expansion might move forward

City leaders pulled plans for a library expansion off the shelf. The projecthas been in the works for six years, but today it got a major jump start. For months, plans to build a new Lawrence Public Library have sat, idling at a crossroads. But after a meeting with the Lawrence City Commission, the project may begin to move forward once again. Enlarge video

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There are still no easy answers when it comes to a $30 million expansion of the Lawrence Public Library.

But city commissioners on Thursday made it clear there is one answer they don't want to give yet: No.

"I'm not willing to shut the door on it," Mayor Sue Hack said at a study session with members of the library's board of trustees.

The idea of building a new library downtown or expanding the current one - both of which have been estimated to cost in the neighborhood of $30 million - has languished since April's City Commission elections. That's been partially because of a darkening financial picture at City Hall, which has included a slower-than-anticipated growth in sales tax and property tax collections.

Commissioners on Thursday didn't come up with any new ways to pay for a major library project. Instead, they:

  • Directed staff members to prepare a detailed report on what decisions need to be made to undertake a significant library project. Commissioners did not set a timeline for the report, but said it should be sooner rather than later.
  • l Agreed that any major library project should be put to a citywide vote, because it likely would involve a significant increase in the property tax or sales tax rate of the city.
  • l Said that downtown should remain the focus for any new library project. A majority of commissioners also said it made sense for the library to be part of a larger effort to redevelop portions of downtown. Commissioners said a larger, more advanced library could be the type of attraction that would draw more people to downtown, which in turn would help downtown retailers.

Commissioners confirmed that there continues to be significant behind-the-scenes talks regarding downtown redevelopment. Members of the Fritzel family - owners of a longtime Lawrence construction company - have proposed adding significant amounts of retail and residential space to Vermont Street. But all details of the multimillion-dollar plan - which could include expansion of the Eldridge Hotel - haven't been publicly released yet. Hack said more public discussions of downtown redevelopment options likely will begin soon.

Sales tax talk

Any new library project - whether it is part of a public-private partnership or not - will require significant amounts of public funding. Commissioners continued to struggle with how to come up with that money.

Commissioner Mike Amyx said he has to see improvements in the local economy before he's willing to commit to a project.

"We can't just put a timeline on this project," Amyx said. "That wouldn't be a real commitment because we have no way of knowing what the economic picture is going to look like."

Hack said she would be willing to restart discussions about using a new sales tax to fund a library project. That idea previously had been floated, but it failed to gain much momentum after the April elections. Amyx has proposed a half-cent sales tax, but it does not include funding for a library. Instead, it focuses on street and sidewalk projects, and infrastructure improvements designed to attract new jobs.

Hack said Thursday she believes some type of amenity project - either the library or a plan being promoted by citizens to add new recreation facilities to the community - may need to be added to the sales tax plan in order to get voters excited.

Commissioners are scheduled to discuss the next step on a sales tax proposal at a 4 p.m. study session on Monday at City Hall.

Satellite option

Commissioner Boog Highberger said he's also willing to look at ways to fund a library project. He said it is not fair to continue to ask the library to function at a high level in a building that is 35 years old and not large enough to meet Lawrence's population. He also said the City Commission has delayed too long in making a decision on a new downtown library - which has been discussed since 2003.

"I think we have been cheating the library," Highberger said. "I think we're getting way more value from the library than we have a right to expect."

Commissioners Mike Dever and Rob Chestnut also expressed support for a downtown library, although they had questions about how to fund it. Both expressed some interest in creating at least one satellite library to take pressure off the current library. They said a satellite library could be a good stop-gap measure to give the city's finances more time to improve to the point that a major library project would be feasible.

But the other three commissioners did not appear interested in the satellite option. They said the costs for a satellite library may be excessive for a stop-gap measure. They also said that if a satellite location were built in one area of town, there then would be extreme pressure to build an additional satellite in another area of town.

Library leaders pleased

Library leaders said they were pleased with commissioners' comments. John Nalbandian, chairman of the library's board of trustees, said it was important that commissioners agreed to resume serious study of the issue.

"I feel like we're a car idling at an intersection," Nalbandian told commissioners at the beginning of the study session. "We need to decide either to go forward, turn right, turn left, or maybe just pull into the parking lot."

After the meeting, Nalbandian, a former city commissioner, said he thought the project had regained some sense of direction.

"The car is moving forward again," Nalbandian said. "I'm not sure how fast it is moving, but we're pleased that we're moving again."

Comments

Bowhunter99 6 years, 7 months ago

I think it's time for some wealthy folks to step up to the plate and donate enough money to build the library... After all, with all of the harrasment D.Compton gets, If I were him, I'd donate enough money to have that library named after me.... Imagine all of the tree huggers and anti-developers having to go to the 'Doug Compton Library'...

It's a win win... Lawrence gets a library and Compton gets true enjoyment out of his money.

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just_thinking 6 years, 7 months ago

WAH , WAH ,WAH ,, CANT PEOPLE QUIT CRYING LIKE BABIES ABOUT THIS IDIOTIC NEW AGED LIBRARY COMEING SOON?

I VOTE TO KEEP THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURED ONE / IF YOU PEOPLE WANT A BIG LIBRARY , THEN GET YOUR'E BUTTS ON THE FREAKING DANG BUS AND RIDE UP TO K. U. !!!!!!!!!!!

THEY HAVE ANYWHERE FROM 3-6 LIBRARIES IV'E BEEN TOLD.

HECK YOU WANT TO SEE A BIG LIBRARY_ GO TO THE W A T S O N LIBRARY (GEE DUH THIS IS HUGE LIBRARY) SO TO SUE HACK" CUT THE DUMB CRAPOLA OF SPENDING OUR TAX DOLLARS ON SOME STUPID LIBRARY THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE 21st CENTURY , WHEN PEOPLE ARE SIMPLY EITHER TOO LAZY TO GO TO K U AND USE THEIR RECORCES OR THEY JUST PLAIN DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT?

HECK SUE , GEEE I HAVE AN EXCELLENT IDEA!!!!

WHY DONT YOU AND THE STUPID OTHERS PAY YOURE $1.00 PER PERSON , GET YOURE WEALTHY BUTTS ON THE TRANSIT BUS AND RIDE BY WATSON LIBRARY AND STOP WHINNING AND CRYING ABOUT NOT HAVEING ENOUGH MONEY TO BUILD A FREAKING NEW ON (DUHHHHHHHH)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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danapoint2lawrence 6 years, 7 months ago

Either build it or scrap it. I hate it when they run a big ol' article about visions of this new library expansion and then they do diddley squat about it. All talk and nothing to show for it. Like I said, either draw up a plan and go with it or quit talking about it and tell the people our budget sucks and we can't expand or build a new library.

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toefungus 6 years, 7 months ago

It seems public employees have no respect for taxpayers. If you work for the government, at any level, you should not be able to vote for tax increases that support your own pay.

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Richard Heckler 6 years, 7 months ago

If the library is put to a vote will it be a: 17 million dollar project ( no parking package)( only package that gets my vote) 22 million dollar project 30 million dollar project 50 million dollar project no improvements Why is a $10 million parking project attached to the cost of the library?

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plumberscrack 6 years, 7 months ago

"Library expansion not being shelved".........IT SHOULD BE!

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Richard Heckler 6 years, 7 months ago

The library is a busy place is our experience at various times Monday through Saturday.

FAQ:

http://www.lawrence.lib.ks.us/newdir/index.html

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Stain 6 years, 7 months ago

Keith (Anonymous) says:

They may never expire, but you do have to reconfirm your address every year or so.

I've had to reconfirm my address about that often. I guess you have to actually VISIT and USE the library to have them ask you to do that. They ask you when you are checking out.

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Stain 6 years, 7 months ago

The city library is augmented by the KU library which is available to any Kansas resident.

Any Kansas resident.

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max1 6 years, 7 months ago

"I have lived here for nearly 30 years. Never, ever, have I had to reconfirm my address" -Godot

The library's "facts and figures" page should have reported how many of the "card holders" actually used the library within the past year. That would be informative, and it would be an easy report for their computer to generate. It would also be informative to tell us how many of the 1,023,697 "items borrowed in 2006" were among their 288,483 cataloged items and how many were videos (assuming the videos are not cataloged items). The Lawrence Public Library rarely has the books I want, but I can usually find them in a KU library. The people in charge of acquisitions at the public library and I are not on the same page, so to speak. Facts and Figures http://www.lawrence.lib.ks.us/about_library/fact-figures.html

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kubacker 6 years, 7 months ago

The real question that eats on Hack and the West-of-Kasold Kommissioners is why do those no-class government workers in Topeka have that huge new world class library, while America's center of knowledge, wisdom, sophistication and developturds right here in Lawrence, Kansas has to settle for a 30 year old one?

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ksteacher 6 years, 7 months ago

Godot says: "I have lived here for nearly 30 years. Never, ever, have I had to reconfirm my address, and the same library card serves me well.. And my kids' cards are still valid, even though they have long since moved to other states."

You must be one of the only ones that aren't getting confirmed. I use the library frequently and I've have mine confirmed several times--indeed, probably about once/year.

It's really sad to see so many people bashing the idea of expanding our library. And having a library at school to use, doesn't mean that we don't have use for a public one. I WORK in a school and I still frequent our public library. I also love Borders, but I don't necessarily want to buy every book that I want to read!

I would vote for a new library in a heartbeat--even if it meant an additional sales tax!

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Godot 6 years, 7 months ago

"Keith (Anonymous) says:

They may never expire, but you do have to reconfirm your address every year or so."

I have lived here for nearly 30 years. Never, ever, have I had to reconfirm my address, and the same library card serves me well.. And my kids' cards are still valid, even though they have long since moved to other states.

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KsTwister 6 years, 7 months ago

"50,000 different people in Lawrence use the library, over a million items are circulated, every meeting space is full every day"

Your kidding right?? I go enough to know the stretched out truth when I read it. Do I check out books there -No. I am either helping kids with school assignments and no safe transportation or trying to find the microfiche in 1973 that tells where the building was constructed to go two floors straight up.

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Keith 6 years, 7 months ago

They may never expire, but you do have to reconfirm your address every year or so.

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solsken66 6 years, 7 months ago

Our family uses the library. The library does need a remodeling job with a new addition. The City of Topeka did not build a completely new building. They just added on to the existing building. I will be going there next week for a meeting. The last time I visited the Topeka Libary was in the 1980's.

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Godot 6 years, 7 months ago

Did you know that Lawrence Public Library cards never expire? Neat way to keep the numbers of registered users growing, right?

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Godot 6 years, 7 months ago

With such command of the facts about the library, OnAir must be one of the supposedly friendly, helpful, non-judgmental librarians on staff at the Lawrence Public Library.....or one of the board members who was supposedly appointed to represent the community as a whole, as opposed to representing a special interest group.

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max1 6 years, 7 months ago

If "registered borrowers" is the same as "card holders" then the library is less popular now than it was in December of 2006

http://www.lawrence.lib.ks.us/newdir/1972.html The library has 65,162 registered borrowers today

December 22, 2006 http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/dec... Number of library card holders: 79,376 Number of visitors between January and November 2006: 448,048 Number of items in the library: 317,649

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solsken66 6 years, 7 months ago

Keep the the current library and build an addition on the south side. Tear down the old city police station. Build a parking garage to accomadate the library, downtown, swimming pool when open, and parks across the way. The Douglas County Senior Center could be moved to a less congested place in building that would be on one level with no steps. The library expansion should be put on a ballot for vote by the residents of Lawrence. Who actually runs the City of Lawrence behind the scenes? Just makes me wonder when I read these articles.

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costello 6 years, 7 months ago

"really now? 50,000 different people use the library eacy day? OnAir is on something alright and seeing not double but quadruple."

Where do you get this "each day" business? You've deliberately misquoted OnAir.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 6 years, 7 months ago

really now? 50,000 different people use the library eacy day? OnAir is on something alright and seeing not double but quadruple. 50,000 different people each day? Wow..that would be a news item for certain.

Satellite branches don't make sense because at 2.5 million each...the contractors and architects cannot fleece the project. They make perfectly good sense and so does fundraising and matching gift programs and grants ...but then what would Nalbandian know about grants, of course he knows. This current library board needs to be replaced ASAP and Mr. Flanders needs to be fired.

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OnAir 6 years, 7 months ago

I hope none of you vote because this must be the largest collection of the least informed and most opinionated lemmings that has scurried around the Earth. 50,000 different people in Lawrence use the library, over a million items are circulated, every meeting space is full every day, the story times are experiments in sardine packing and distracting the firemarshall, the staff do absolute miracles with a lousy facility, huge demand, and you buch of knee-jerk, whiling malcontents. Maybe the Library should leave so you can complain about that too. Goodbye.

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Stain 6 years, 7 months ago

jcstepmom28 (Anonymous) says: At my family's own fault we had some overdue book fees several months, if not a year old. These fees were nearly $10 and I had no problem paying them. I was shocked, however, at the clerk's comments that they don't even bother trying to collect unless the fee was "really large".

When the fee hits $10 you cannot check out more until you pay it down. This makes sense. It would cost more to try to collect every nickel and dime than the library would reap.

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costello 6 years, 7 months ago

"Start by doing a study on the total of how many books have been checked out in each of the last 5 years."

Done! http://www.lawrence.lib.ks.us/newdir/1972.html

Circulation statistics for LPL:

2002: 780,098 2003: 787,650 2004: 852,813 2005: 933,023 2006: 1,023,697

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costello 6 years, 7 months ago

"As a whole the library concept is outdated."

Oh?

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costello 6 years, 7 months ago

"I just drove through Wamego and they are building a huge new baseball complex that is very nice."

My children or I have no use for a baseball complex. No one in my family would personally use a baseball complex, so the city shouldn't build one.

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costello 6 years, 7 months ago

"My children or I have no use for the library. My kids use the school libraries and I use the bookstores or internet. Libraries are for the little kids to be read to and for the homeless and poor to use the internet for porn."

Well, la de da! I use the library. I'm there at least once a week. I have half a dozen books checked out right now. And I'm not homeless, a little kid, or poor.

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max1 6 years, 7 months ago

BOOKMAN: You took this book out in 1971. JERRY: Yes, and I returned it in 1971. BOOKMAN: Yeah, '71. That was my first year on the job. Bad year for libraries. Bad year for America. Hippies burning library cards, Abby Hoffman telling everybody to steal books. I don't judge a man by the length of his hair or the kind of music he listens to. Rock was never my bag. But you put on a pair of shoes when you walk into the New York Public Library, fella. JERRY: Look, Mr. Bookman. I--I returned that book. I remember it very specifically. BOOKMAN: You're a comedian, you make people laugh. JERRY: I try. BOOKMAN: You think this is all a big joke, don't you? JERRY: No, I don't. BOOKMAN: I saw you on T.V. once; I remembered your name--from my list. I looked it up. Sure enough, it checked out. You think because you're a celebrity that somehow the law doesn't apply to you, that you're above the law? JERRY: Certainly not. BOOKMAN: Well, let me tell you something, funny boy. Y'know that little stamp,the one that says "New York Public Library"? Well that may not mean anything to you, but that means a lot to me. One whole hell of a lot. Sure, go ahead, laugh if you want to. I've seen your type before:Flashy, making the scene, flaunting convention. Yeah, I know what you're thinking. What's this guy making such a big stink about old library books? Well, let me give you a hint, junior. Maybe we can live without libraries, people like you and me. Maybe. Sure, we're too old to change the world, but what about that kid, sitting down, opening a book, right now, in a branch at the local library and finding drawings of pee-pees and wee-wees on the Cat in the Hat and the Five Chinese Brothers? Doesn't HE deserve better? Look. If you think this is about overdue fines and missing books, you'd better think again. This is about that kid's right to read a book without getting his mind warped! Or: maybe that turns you on, Seinfeld; maybe that's how y'get your kicks. You and your good-time buddies. Well I got a flash for ya, joy-boy: Party time is over. Y'got seven days, Seinfeld. That is one week! < Jerry writes out a check for the never-returned TROPIC OF CANCER and hands it to Bookman> JERRY: Anyway, I hope there's no hard feelings. BOOKMAN: Hard feelings? What do you know about hard feelings? Y'ever have a man die in your arms? Y'ever kill somebody? JERRY: What is your problem? BOOKMAN: What's my problem? Punks like you, that's my problem. And you better not screw up again Seinfeld, because if you do, I'll be all over you like a pitbull on a poodle.

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Bud Stagg 6 years, 7 months ago

Sab, I have nothing against a library. I just don't see ours being used and I don't see a huge demand for it. Many of the citizens of this town are going another direction and a library doesn't fit. OUr kids get their library needs satisfied at school and most adults use book stores or the internet. Are you telling me a 30 million dollar project will get people to use the library???

It's just more T logic, build it and they will use it. It worked so well for that.

We are spending millions on items for the few who don't pay much in the way of taxes and leaving the many with crappy roads, poor service, poor recreation facilities, etc.

I just drove through Wamego and they are building a huge new baseball complex that is very nice. Nicer than anything we have built in 15 years. They are about 10% the size of Lawrence??? How can they afford that and our kids are playing on 40 year old fields that are just crap. Our high schools have crappy football facilities. Everyone around us has synthetic turf, we have mud.

Instead we have more homeless shelters and empty buses per capita than any town I know. Do you hear that whistling noise? It's the noise made when your city sucks.

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max1 6 years, 7 months ago

"At my family's own fault we had some overdue book fees several months, if not a year old." -joehawk

http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheLibrary.htm The Library, Episode 22 - Oct. 16, 1991 JERRY: This you're not goin' to believe. The NYPL says that I took out Tropic of Cancer in 1971 and never returned it. KRAMER: Do you know how much that comes to? That's a nickel a day for 20 years. It's going to be $50,000 JERRY: It doesn't work like that. KRAMER: If it's a dime a day it could be $100,000 KRAMER: It's all a bunch of cheapskates in there anyway. People sitting around reading the newspaper attached to huge wooden sticks Trying to save a quarter, ooh, JERRY: I gotta go to the library. You want to go? KRAMER: Yeah,

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Godot 6 years, 7 months ago

sab, Lawrence doesn't "deserve" anything that causes increased taxes.

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sab 6 years, 7 months ago

Joehawk, have you bothered to find out what a library can offer? Topeka's library has tons of programs for all ages as well as books, movies, internet, etc. The place is always busy. Godot, this isn't about Topeka envy, it is about Lawrence deserving a first class library.

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Haiku_Cuckoo 6 years, 7 months ago

At my family's own fault we had some overdue book fees several months, if not a year old. These fees were nearly $10 and I had no problem paying them. I was shocked, however, at the clerk's comments that they don't even bother trying to collect unless the fee was "really large". I thought this was a large amount and was prepared to pay or have my borrowing rights suspended. Now if say 5,000 patrons owe $10 that isn't chump change, it's 1/2 million!

The city where I used to live had overdue fees that capped at $1 per item. It was a great idea because plenty of people hang on to long overdue books out of fear of the large late fees. How many times have people cleaned out a closet and found an old library book in there. Plenty, probably. The $1 cap helped get the books returned...even if they were a year overdue.

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max1 6 years, 7 months ago

May 19, 2007 http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/may... Some of the city's larger social service agencies are being ordered to make do with less as the result of a serious budget crunch at City Hall. The Lawrence Public Library also will be hit by the cuts. Corliss is ordering a 6 percent cut to its budget: $177,000.

December 16, 2006 http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/dec... Talk of a new city sales tax may re-emerge after city commissioners were told a proposed $30 million library would require at least a 4 mill property tax increase. . . The report projected that a .15 percent sales tax - or the equivalent of 1.5 cents for every $10 spent - could generate the funding needed to pay the construction costs of a $30 million library over a 20-year period. But it would not cover the estimated $1.55 million annual increase in operational costs for the larger library. That would require a 1.6 mill increase in property taxes, in addition to the new sales tax.

May 27, 2007 http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/may... The Partners for Lawrence Athletics and Youth have compiled an attractive wish list for new athletic facilities in Lawrence. . . Even if private or public money can be found to build any or all of the facilities, rentals and other fees are projected to fall from $100,000 (indoor fieldhouse) to $500,000 (ice arena) short of the annual operating costs

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gl0ck0wnr 6 years, 7 months ago

In contrast with the $30 million plan, I wonder how much it would cost to provide every Lawrence resident a $250 Borders gift certificate every year for book purchases. It could be funded like a city sales tax rebate.

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wheatridge 6 years, 7 months ago

Move all the books onto the "T" and JoCo busses. People will read and ride; next expansion will be easy and cheap, buy more biofuel busses that burn french-fry fat from fast food bus stops.

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Bud Stagg 6 years, 7 months ago

My children or I have no use for the library. My kids use the school libraries and I use the bookstores or internet. Libraries are for the little kids to be read to and for the homeless and poor to use the internet for porn.

If we keep finding ways to support the homeless, they won't go away to other towns where it is easier for them. If we make life easier for them, they won't help themselves. I got acosted yet again yesterday downtown, this guy was almost violent about me giving him a quarter.

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gl0ck0wnr 6 years, 7 months ago

It seems that the LJW can't figure out how to transfer comments from a "breaking" story to the same story in the edition the next day. Here's my question/comment: has Nalbandian worked one day in the private sector or has he spent his entire career both working for the government as an "expert" and professor while advocating the expenditure of tax dollars?

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6 years, 7 months ago

At my family's own fault we had some overdue book fees several months, if not a year old. These fees were nearly $10 and I had no problem paying them. I was shocked, however, at the clerk's comments that they don't even bother trying to collect unless the fee was "really large". I thought this was a large amount and was prepared to pay or have my borrowing rights suspended. Now if say 5,000 patrons owe $10 that isn't chump change, it's 1/2 million!

The library needs to suspend borrowing rights at 10 times the lowest overdue fee (which is currently 10 cents according to their site).

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Godot 6 years, 7 months ago

"sab (Anonymous) says:

Why bother having our own decent library when we can mooch off Topeka? Heck, let them foot the bill:as long as we have access to their stuff, we may as well leech off them."

Here we go with the Topeka-envy again.

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sab 6 years, 7 months ago

Why bother having our own decent library when we can mooch off Topeka? Heck, let them foot the bill...as long as we have access to their stuff, we may as well leech off them.

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b3 6 years, 7 months ago

Our current homeless shelter, I mean library is fine. As a whole the library concept is outdated. The comissioners just want a pretty new one that they that can put on next years tourist handout.

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LogicMan 6 years, 7 months ago

"we cannot afford it"

Correct, for now. "Just say no".

And the need for public libraries isn't what it used to be due to shorter attention spans, increasing wealth, and the existence of many other and more convenient outlets for knowledge like big bookstores, used book stores like Half-Price, Amazon, eBay, and on-line publications.

But there will always be the poor, so when funds do become available consider instead selling the current downtown location and opening up a few smaller locations in the historically poor parts of town. North and east Lawrence come to mind, and pre-school, after-school, and weekend educational/vocational/civics programs should be emphasized there. But if the Commission shrivels when faced with the prospect of leaving downtown, the Carnegie building could easily be renovated and reopened as the "central library", and it should emphasize adult education/training.

This is an opportunity for Lawrence to truely be "progressive".

Wow -- make me the "Library Czar/Visionary", on one of those lucrative consulting contracts, and it will be done.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 6 years, 7 months ago

Let Nalbandian test his theories in some other town. Why are we constantly being told 30 MILLION?

The present library is not even kept clean. Does Nalbandian ever use the facility? I have yet to see any city commissioners in the present building. The only one closest to working at City Hall, past tense, is Mike Wildgen who is in the library. If the present building is good enough for Wildgen, then it is surely good enough for anyone else. This is pure nonsense about expanding the present building.

SUE, why are you promoting a new library?

If Fritzel needs convention space for the hotel, then the Eldridge can buy the post office building and use it!! It is wide open inside, has loading docks and would work fine for large gatherings downtown. Keep public money out of the the hands of Fritzel, SChmallberg, Moore, Compton, and B A Green, Sabatini. How generous of Sabatinis to build some building on campus, Apparently everyone has forgotten that the Sabatini family fleeced the golden goose for the architectural fees for the fire station at 19th and Iowa. So now, a name goes on some multicultural diversity building with no money for maintenance down the road.

The public trough has no limit to the feeding it provides.

NO, SUE to the library. NO, Amyx to sales tax, and to the other three, NO< NO and NO!

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Godot 6 years, 7 months ago

50yearresident, your idea is logical, but it misses the point of the library expansion. It has nothing to do with more books, it has nothing to do with "the children", it is all about using taxpayer money to improve the buildings of downtown property owners, to bring more people downtown and to provide more space for political hacks (pardon my pun) to hold meetings. In other words, it is a project that the the city should not be involved in. It is a project that the downtown property owners should fund, entirely.

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Keith 6 years, 7 months ago

Hack said Thursday she believes some type of amenity project - either the library or a plan being promoted by citizens to add new recreation facilities to the community - may need to be added to the sales tax plan in order to get voters excited.

It will probably only get the voters excited about replacing her in a few years.

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offtotheright 6 years, 7 months ago

I hear ya Defender, it's too bad those idiots don't!

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Defender 6 years, 7 months ago

No sales tax increase, period. This is idiotic bullcrap. I am all for a better library, but we cannot afford it. Idiots, complete idiots.

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50YearResident 6 years, 7 months ago

Start by doing a study (and don't hire a $50,000 consultant) on the total of how many books have been checked out in each of the last 5 years. Your computer records should be able to provide this information. If there is a downward trend on checkouts it needs to be made public information. If there is and upward trend the amount of additional demand also needs to be published. Lets get the facts out before making any decisions on spending $30 Million for something that may soon be obsolete.

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nell 6 years, 7 months ago

"Hack said Thursday she believes some type of amenity project - either the library or a plan being promoted by citizens to add new recreation facilities to the community - may need to be added to the sales tax plan in order to get voters excited."

So, Hack supports library expansion - the library or something else, like an ice rink - as a way to get the sales tax approved? Sounds like we'll have to fight bait and switch, which is bothersome enough without considering the careless lumping of a library, a cornerstone of a literate and educated society that serves citizens of all ages, incomes and abilities, with pet projects of special interest groups.

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macon47 6 years, 7 months ago

"I think we have been cheating the library," Highberger said.

booger, i think you have been cheating the streets, more people use the roads than the library.

where did the money go.? 30 million bucks is alot of money for something only a few use

it is a worse money pit than the mt bus system

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