Advertisement

Archive for Tuesday, August 7, 2007

Wal-Mart proposal up for city approval

This architect's rendering shows the Wal-Mart site at Sixth Street and Wakarusa Drive.

This architect's rendering shows the Wal-Mart site at Sixth Street and Wakarusa Drive.

August 7, 2007

Advertisement

Wal-Mart is back at City Hall.

City commissioners tonight are scheduled to vote on plans related to Wal-Mart's proposal to build a store at the northwest corner of Sixth Street and Wakarusa Drive.

Lawrence-Douglas County planning commissioners unanimously recommended approval of the project last month. If city commissioners approve the project, it would mark the end of an approximately five-year battle by developers to build a second Wal-Mart in the city.

The project may finally have the support it needs on the City Commission. Plans for a Wal-Mart were rejected by a previous City Commission; the project sparked a lawsuit by developers who contended the city illegally denied a building permit for the store. But the lawsuit was put on hold shortly after the April City Commission elections.

Following the elections, only one of the three city commissioners who had opposed the project remained in office. The new City Commission asked the developers to put the lawsuit on hold and submit new plans for the Wal-Mart.

Mayor Sue Hack and Commissioner Mike Amyx both voted for the previous Wal-Mart plan. The plans before commissioners tonight are slightly different - a 24-unit apartment complex that was slated to be adjacent to the store has been replaced by open space - but Hack indicated she still likes what she's seen.

She said a new report from the city's Public Works Department and the Kansas Department of Transportation, detailing how Sixth Street would function with the store in place, was encouraging.

"To me it says that the streets in the area are still going to be able to do what they were designed to do," Hack said.

Commissioner Boog Highberger, who voted against Wal-Mart's previous proposal, said he still had concerns.

"I still think traffic is a legitimate concern, and I still think the impact on our existing retail is a legitimate concern," Highberger said.

Commissioners meet at 6:35 tonight at City Hall. Hack said she'll likely limit the amount of time for public comment on the Wal-Mart issue to about one hour.

Comments

Tom Shewmon 6 years, 8 months ago

I was being a good LJW (award-winning and globally recognized) on-line neighbor. Is that OK?

The bulk of the LJW neighbors are respected, illustrious, distinguished and esteemed.......or....

[Origin: 154050; < L praestigiÅsus full of tricks, deceitful, practicing illusion or magic, deceptive, to blind, blindfold, dazzle

0

George_Braziller 6 years, 8 months ago

right_thinker -- Can you at least give us a clue what you meant when you wrote:

"Ya'll are absolutely prestigious"

0

George_Braziller 6 years, 8 months ago

My sympathy to Far West Lawrence. You are getting from your commissioners what the majority of the few who voted or expressed ANY interest in local government elected. Don't vote then don't complain.

0

Stain 6 years, 8 months ago

Pilgrim says "She represents enough of them that they voted her into office."

And after the agenda she has pushed, and the way she has sold out our town to people who give her husband money, she'll be voted right out again.

Too bad voters don't have a crystal ball.

6 years is too long.

0

Stain 6 years, 8 months ago

"An hour is probably about 40 minutes too much."

It is to a commission whose mind is made up, their votes having been purchased already.

"Property rights loony left blah blah blah blah blah blah" is not much more interesting. Funny, though, there are never many people who stand up for Wal-Mart at those meetings.

0

Pilgrim 6 years, 8 months ago

greedy (Anonymous) says:

NO subsidies. None of the Mom and Pop stores got them and they don't have near as much capitol as Wal Mart. Let's milk those guys. No tax breaks, no "help." Nothing. Why does this company need this "help?"


Wal-Mart isn't getting any "help." Tax abatements are not available to retailers.

0

cynical 6 years, 8 months ago

Meeting started at 6:35. Means decision has been made. When does construction start? We know decision was bought and paid for, Simple matter of providing cover. Hope Hack is history, however income was definitely increased.

0

Pilgrim 6 years, 8 months ago

peppermint (Anonymous) says:

Hack is bought and paid for by Compton and does not represent the people of Lawrence.


She represents enough of them that they voted her into office.

0

Pilgrim 6 years, 8 months ago

emilyhadley (Emily Hadley) says:

"Commissioners meet at 6:35 tonight at City Hall. Hack said she'll likely limit the amount of time for public comment on the Wal-Mart issue to about one hour."

I keep reading this about Hack more and more. Who the H does she think she is? There are 100,000 people in this city, and apparently about half of us oppose this. If just 1% of those opposed showed up to to voice their opposition, then each person would be granted 7.2 seconds to speak.


After the first Wal-Martphobe speaks, none of the rest of you will need any more time than that. It will all be redundant as hell. Agonizingly boring, too.

An hour is probably about 40 minutes too much.

0

nbnozzy 6 years, 8 months ago

Hello second Wal-Mart, welcome to Lawrence.

0

plumberscrack 6 years, 8 months ago

Can't wait for the next city commission elections!

Sue Hack will be up for re-election then and hopefully, you idiots won't make the same mistake again by re-electing her!

0

jonas 6 years, 8 months ago

I was curious, Merrill, do you think that without Walmart, Vlasic and other homogeneous goods companies would have no pressure to continually cut prices in order to stay competitive?

0

jonas 6 years, 8 months ago

"Stain (Anonymous) says:

commuter: Whatever are you talking about. Misquoting people doesn't enhance your position one bit. Did you read the poll results in yesterday's J-W? I didn't think so."

Was that the super-scientific one with a whopping 206 respondents in it, or has there been another one? When that number gets into the thousands, or even better the ten-thousands, then look us up. Personally, I think we should expect a representative sample to include at least a hundredth of a percent of the population before we start touting ourselves as conducting scientific polling.

0

Tom Shewmon 6 years, 8 months ago

My only complaint about Wal-Mart is they need to start a "Rewards" program.

Crap, we spend buku bucks in there every year. When do I get some "thanks". Maybe you libs are right, maybe they're big evil corporate monsters who don't care about anything but the bottom line!

(Love you guys!)

0

Stain 6 years, 8 months ago

commuter: Whatever are you talking about. Misquoting people doesn't enhance your position one bit. Did you read the poll results in yesterday's J-W? I didn't think so.

As I said: abysmal turnout, and turnout very skewed with the heaviest voting west of Wak. Obviously developers, realtors and friends of Dever & Chestnut got out the vote. That doesn't mean the election results really reflect the opinions of Lawrence.

Then there is the little matter of NO ONE campaigned on putting Wal-Mart on that corner, and NO ONE campaigned on displacing some jobs with other $7/hr jobs pushing carts at SmallWart. NO ONE campaigned on making a traffic mess at 6th/Wak. Nobody campaigned on cutting services and raising our taxes at the same time, either. Funny how things changed once the election was over.

0

monkeyhawk 6 years, 8 months ago

Remember that guy who had a meltdown at the cc meeting a while back? I can only assume he was an acquaintance of the plc/gra commissioners since they called him by name in an attempt to calm him. I wonder if we will have a repeat tonight?

0

commuter 6 years, 8 months ago

Stain:

Could you please provide me a link where you saw 40,000 Lawrence residents gainst the Wal-Mart at 6Th & Wak. I would love to see 40,000 Lawrence Residents show up at a city commission meeting.

I am confused though, I would have thought those people would have voted for Boog, Schauner, and the third progressive or Anti-Wal-Mart candidate at all costs?

0

Stain 6 years, 8 months ago

It's disgusting the city commission pays so little attention to what a majority of the citizens want, which is NO new Wal-Mart at 6th and Wakarusa. The poll that showed twice as many opposed as supported this, and the turnouts at the commission meetings, should mean something to any elected official concerned with doing their job of representing the people. Not with this commission.

At least this inspires me to get off my duff and work hard in the next election to bring better people onto the commission. Maybe it will inspire others too. 20% of registered voters, and skewed toward one neighborhood, might be a legal election, but it is NOT A MANDATE. It's time this commission recognized that and ruled accordingly. You'd think it was the Bush style neocons up there in our little city hall.

0

logicsound04 6 years, 8 months ago

"If this happens, we should protect our own interests. That is our town."


Don't tell that to the developers. Or the city commission. Or the Wal-Mart supporters.

This town belongs to free market captialism. (and the Walton family)

0

consumer1 6 years, 8 months ago

I say find common ground, Boog likes round a bouts so much, He used our street funds to build so many, why not meet in the middle, and build a round a bout around boogs house???then we can call it a round a boog??

0

greedy 6 years, 8 months ago

I'm not so up to date on this, but what's the city giving Wal Mart? Also, why do we need this again? I can't think of anything that WalMart provides Lawrence that we don't already have. Shouldn't we be a bit more greedy? Like:

NO subsidies. None of the Mom and Pop stores got them and they don't have near as much capitol as Wal Mart. Let's milk those guys. No tax breaks, no "help." Nothing. Why does this company need this "help?" C'mon they make more money than EVERYONE in Lawrence combined.

Long term leases. Walmart has a nasty habit of leaving a building that's too big for the next business to take over (think Sunflower Ammunition). What is the city supposed to do with the space WHEN the current tenant leaves (because no business has ever been anywhere forever)? We should lock Wal Mart into a loooong term lease, 40 years or something big. If the business has as much impact as a professional sports team, shouldn't it have some restrictions to it's mobility?

If this happens, we should protect our own interests. That is our town.

0

Roadkill_Rob 6 years, 8 months ago

"Which would be nothing. What's there to say?"

Well, maybe you're not reading the posts today. Here's a few:

¢ Wally World has just become some kind of whipping boy because it is much easier to complain about them than it is to solve the more global issue.

¢except for their furniture and shoes I'm not sure what is sold at Walmart that isn't the same name brand crap sold everywhere else.

¢Fighting Wal-Mart is like kicking the drug addict in the fight on drugs

¢Wal-Mart does a a better job of leveraging their power to getter prices, so they are the bad guy? That makes them smart in my book, they are trying to keep prices low for the consumer.

0

Tom Shewmon 6 years, 8 months ago

Roadkill Rob whines:

"Alrighty then..I guess keep telling yourself what you want to hear to justify shopping at Wal-Mart."

Which would be nothing. What's there to say?

0

hawkperchedatriverfront 6 years, 8 months ago

Hope the new Walmart can keep the paint job when new and the grass is green. Lawrence Memorial should have spent gene meyer's raise on some paint and glass cleaner. Ever checked out the bird poop on the canopy on the west side and the rusted metal and lack of paint. The hospital is letting maintenance go, just as the Lawrence Public Library.

All a reflection on the leadership in the community which is LACK OF LEADERSHIP.

The days are over of the Chamber of Commerce being what they used to be and doing what they are intended to do.

I thought we read that the city commission was going to cut expenses. How can that be when we read now they want to raise income which translates to higher expenses. Are these five on something?

0

logicsound04 6 years, 8 months ago

"You can surround poop with diamonds but it is still poop."


And then you're just left with poopy diamonds.

0

Roadkill_Rob 6 years, 8 months ago

Alrighty then..I guess keep telling yourself what you want to hear to justify shopping at Wal-Mart.

0

blue73harley 6 years, 8 months ago

BTW - I just bought a bunch of cut-off wheels for my angle grinder...they were made in Russia. It is just beyond me why we can't even make our own abrasives.

0

blue73harley 6 years, 8 months ago

Joehawk - great post at 11:55 am. Taking it one step further, forget about the retailiers for a minute. Think about the manufacturers. ALL are doing the same outsourcing/off-shoring thing. I would like to see something done about turning this around. China is not the only problem. We are giving India engineering jobs, Singapore electronic assembly jobs, Brazil sheetmetal fabrication jobs, Mexico sub-assembly jobs, etc. Think about where your kids and grandkids are going to work...because the CEOs of our big corporations could give a crap less.

Wally World has just become some kind of whipping boy because it is much easier to complain about them than it is to solve the more global issue.

0

JackRipper 6 years, 8 months ago

ModSquad, except for their furniture and shoes I'm not sure what is sold at Walmart that isn't the same name brand crap sold everywhere else. Which greedy heirs would you like to see have their pockets lined? Perhaps a trendy name brand designer store or how about an other cell phone outlet? Which greedy heirs and stockholders deserve to have their pockets lined?

0

ModSquadGal 6 years, 8 months ago

Would somebody just kill this stupid project once and for all? How many idiots does it take to think we need a SECOND Wal-Fart in this town... especially one right next to the High School? They already expanded the other one to ginormous proportions, and now it's a gaping hole of crappy, cheap, imported goods. Why don't we try something that makes more sense for our community and doesn't so much add money to line the pockets of the greedy Walton heirs?

0

JackRipper 6 years, 8 months ago

I don't want a pickle, I just want to ride on my motorrrcicle....

0

Jeteras 6 years, 8 months ago

You can surround poop with diamonds but it is still poop.

0

peppermint 6 years, 8 months ago

Mkh says (of Mayor Sue Hack): "But the truth is, she is just another troll puppet of Doug Compton."

There is more to that story than most citizens know. The fact that Compton insures his many properties with Sue Hack's husband (Alan Hack Insurance) makes it impossible for Hack to be objective. And Hack herself stated Compton had threatened to take away his business from her husband, if he didn't like her vote. Hack is bought and paid for by Compton and does not represent the people of Lawrence.

0

Richard Heckler 6 years, 8 months ago

The Wal-Mart You Don't Know

Are we shopping our way straight to the unemployment line?

From: Issue 77 | December 2003 | Page 68 | By: Charles Fishman | Photographs By: Livia Corona

Therein lies the basic conundrum of doing business with the world's largest retailer. By selling a gallon of kosher dills for less than most grocers sell a quart, Wal-Mart may have provided a ser-vice for its customers. But what did it do for Vlasic? The pickle maker had spent decades convincing customers that they should pay a premium for its brand. Now Wal-Mart was practically giving them away. And the fevered buying spree that resulted distorted every aspect of Vlasic's operations, from farm field to factory to financial statement.

Indeed, as Vlasic discovered, the real story of Wal-Mart, the story that never gets told, is the story of the pressure the biggest retailer relentlessly applies to its suppliers in the name of bringing us "every day low prices." It's the story of what that pressure does to the companies Wal-Mart does business with, to U.S. manufacturing, and to the economy as a whole. That story can be found floating in a gallon jar of pickles at Wal-Mart.

Wal-Mart is not just the world's largest retailer. It's the world's largest company--bigger than ExxonMobil, General Motors, and General Electric. The scale can be hard to absorb. Wal-Mart sold $244.5 billion worth of goods last year. It sells in three months what number-two retailer Home Depot sells in a year. And in its own category of general merchandise and groceries, Wal-Mart no longer has any real rivals. It does more business than Target, Sears, Kmart, J.C. Penney, Safeway, and Kroger combined. "Clearly," says Edward Fox, head of Southern Methodist University's J.C. Penney Center for Retailing Excellence, "Wal-Mart is more powerful than any retailer has ever been." It is, in fact, so big and so furtively powerful as to have become an entirely different order of corporate being.

Wal-Mart wields its power for just one purpose: to bring the lowest possible prices to its customers. At Wal-Mart, that goal is never reached. The retailer has a clear policy for suppliers: On basic products that don't change, the price Wal-Mart will pay, and will charge shoppers, must drop year after year. But what almost no one outside the world of Wal-Mart and its 21,000 suppliers knows is the high cost of those low prices. Wal-Mart has the power to squeeze profit-killing concessions from vendors. To survive in the face of its pricing demands, makers of everything from bras to bicycles to blue jeans have had to lay off employees and close U.S. plants in favor of outsourcing products from overseas. "The gallon jar of pickles at Wal-Mart became a devastating success, giving Vlasic strong sales and growth numbers--but slashing its profits by millions of dollars."

Con't http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html

0

logicsound04 6 years, 8 months ago

"Fighting Wal-Mart is like kicking the drug addict in the fight on drugs."


We actually do arrest users of drugs as well as dealers.....

==================================================

"That makes them smart in my book, they are trying to keep prices low for the consumer."


Then you are falling for their trick. They keep prices low for the consumer by taking advantage of the employee (who is the consumer as well--just look at the economic cycle).

The Wall-Mart episode of South Park was on a couple nights ago and I can't but help be reminded of all the moronic townspeople who didn't want the Wall-Mart because of the effect it had on their local merchants. However, they were too obsessed with the immediate gratification of "low prices" to look at the bigger picture (i.e.--how Wal-Mart fits into the overall economic landscape). They couldn't stop shopping there.

Granted, South Park is just a cartoon, but interesting all the same...

0

Roadkill_Rob 6 years, 8 months ago

Okay, for you guys getting all upset that I think that Wal-Mart is the only store that uses chinese slave labor:

I brought slave labor up in response to the "free marketplace" argument. If you are going to defend Wal-Mart using the "free marketplace" argument, I was simply stating that there is nothing "free" about Wal-Mart.

And I realize Wal-Mart isn't the only place that practices this. Thanks for jumping in and not reading previous posts, though.

0

JackRipper 6 years, 8 months ago

Good post JOEHAWK. A fundamental look at what we do is needed. Dwelling on Walmart when the issue is much larger is ridiculous. Unless people are sewing their own cloths and living in a way that doesn't rely on imports from a country that seems to be coming into its own and perhaps a threat down the road would be prudent but since they hold most of our debt they probably have a right to come collect someday. But if it makes a person think they are doing the right thing because they buy it at Target or Costco it is there decision to live with blinders on and just follow the crowd.

0

Ghost78 6 years, 8 months ago

I'm happy to say that I'll be positively impacting the environment by driving a shorter distance to shop at Walmart. Pick your battles, folks.

0

Tom Shewmon 6 years, 8 months ago

I find it to be quite incredulous that Wal-Mart is the ONLY retail operation in America selling these Communist slave made goods. Thanks for enlightening me, Roadkill. I'll start checking labels everywhere I go (or should I?).

And I hope you don't buy fireworks or attend Fourth of July fireworks displays, because you're supporting Communist slave labor.

0

Bud Stagg 6 years, 8 months ago

YOU PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING THE WRONG PERSON. Fighting Wal-Mart is like kicking the drug addict in the fight on drugs. Wal Mart is only competing in the system that we amercians have created, don't blame them. You need to change the system.

Wal-Mart uses comunist slave labor? Where does Sears, JC penny, Home Depot, Kohls, Target, etc get their goods from? EVERYONE buys stuff from China. Wal-Mart does a a better job of leveraging their power to getter prices, so they are the bad guy? That makes them smart in my book, they are trying to keep prices low for the consumer. Let's all make Wal-Mart the bad guy. If you are going to boycott Wal-Mart then you better boycott them all, even HyVee buys stuff from china and other similiar places. I understand people wanting a better system but don't blame the guy that is successful using that system. They are only successful because people buy stuff from them. Again it's the American Way.

If you don't want our retail vendors to buy stuff from China, then you better block China, stopping Wal-Mart will only allow another Vendor to step up.

0

logicsound04 6 years, 8 months ago

"If anyone wants to be upset at someone, you should be upset with yourselves for voting in (or failing to vote altogether) this current city commission. Perhaps a lesson we may all learn come next election if you truly feel the commission members are not listening to you."


Excellent point. Maybe people won't vote for candidates next time just because they have a business background (Chestnut, Dever).

The business background doesn't automatically make you a savvy public policy maker, it just means your good at evaluating the bottom-line. But I guess as long as we have morons assuming that privatization is the best way to run everything (govt. included), we will have morons voting for candidates who believe that profits are the best way to evaluate everything (govt. included).

My favorite quirk of the Chestnut campaign--saying he wanted to bring in more destination jobs to Lawrence. Apparently, he doesn't understand the types of jobs that Wal-Mart creates...

0

Tom Shewmon 6 years, 8 months ago

RKR re; your 11:40 -----hehehe!!

0

logicsound04 6 years, 8 months ago

"The truly free marketplace determines who and what products/services succeed or fail."

BS. The myth of American free-enterprise is exactly that...a myth.

A truly free marketplace would not grant corporations "person" status. A truly free marketplace would not offer tax abatements to corporations. A truly free marketplace would not impose quotas on foreign imports. A truly free marketplace would not have anti-trust laws.

0

markoo 6 years, 8 months ago

I can't say I'm too excited about another Wal-Mart coming in, but I don't know enough for certain to make ultimate predictions on the harm it might bring in. Granted there's plenty of evidence out there that demonstrates the harm a Wal-Mart store does to local retail businesses, but I tend to wonder if a store on the opposite edge of town will truly have an adverse effect on the downtown market. I just don't know.

Regardless, I agree with some of the comments here about 6th and Wakarusa - the thought of "soul" and "imagination" on that part of town is laughable at best. Pretty much an Overland Park lookalike, which may or may not be a bad thing depending on your tastes.

But I can't really blame Wal-Mart for doing exactly what they've always done. They've got the money, determination, lawyers, and power to do this. If anyone wants to be upset at someone, you should be upset with yourselves for voting in (or failing to vote altogether) this current city commission. Perhaps a lesson we may all learn come next election if you truly feel the commission members are not listening to you.

0

Roadkill_Rob 6 years, 8 months ago

Bowhunter,

Again, I won't shop there. Also, don't make generalizations based on what one person wrote. It shows how simple-minded you are.

0

Roadkill_Rob 6 years, 8 months ago

Norweigh,

Nobody (not even us self-righteous people) disagree with your free marketplace philosophy.

However, there's nothing "free" about Wal-Mart. It uses communist slave labor to produce cheap goods and then they eliminate competition. Then, the uneducated (Right_Thinker) shop there for their cheap goods without thinking of the consequences. Most people who shop at Wal-Mart either don't care or have no idea about why it's so cheap to shop there.

0

logicsound04 6 years, 8 months ago

"Ace_Ventura (Anonymous) says:

Walfart can suck a phatty!"


Well, AAAAALL-righty then!

0

macon47 6 years, 8 months ago

let the REAL PEOPLE vote with their dollars at the new store. the OTHER PEOPLE don't count anyway

0

deec 6 years, 8 months ago

The other problem is, when Walmart moves into small communities, it drives other businesses out, so the consumer then has no free market choice to shop elsewhere.

0

Mkh 6 years, 8 months ago

"If the marketplace doesn't like or believe in Wal-Mart they won't shop there. The truly free marketplace determines who and what products/services succeed or fail."


OK, but who ever said that Walmart was in the Free Market??? Walmart gets Billions and Billions of dollars every year from the Government via the Tax Payer...that doesn't sound like a free market enterprise to me.

0

JackRipper 6 years, 8 months ago

The city has already put itself into debt with all the massive roads being built out in JOCO west why not put in a Walmart that fits the kind of enviroment developed out there. It will fit in nicely, actually looks nicer than the strip malls across the street. I'm finding it difficult to understand the argument that Walmart is bad but what is already out there is some how peachy keen. Now that the housing market game is dying those people out west will need a Walmart to shop at. The rest of us will be struggling to pay the taxes thanks to all that development so those $11.50 jobs that Walmart is bringing is sounding real good. By the way, we have a new commission, no new roundabouts that I know of, where is the recovery promised by their supporters? A Walmart store?

0

Bowhunter99 6 years, 8 months ago

How funny... Ace_ventura will stick to his 'hometown Hy-Vee and Target' .... oh yeah.. those two are SO FREAKING different from Walmart... Both Locally OWNED. Both small corporations.... That shows how shallow minded some of you are.

You will all be for it if it was a gigantic Hy-vee or a gigantic Merc or another SuperTarget... SUDDENLY traffic would not be an issue... and loss of business elsewhere would not be an issue. Face it hypocrats... It's all about Wal-mart. I can't wait for you to drive by it every day and SHOP there often.

0

Noweigh 6 years, 8 months ago

It's wonderful when the consumer gets to speak with their pocketbooks and wallets. If the marketplace doesn't like or believe in Wal-Mart they won't shop there. The truly free marketplace determines who and what products/services succeed or fail. Ask Chevrolet about the Corvair, ask Suzuki about the Samauri, ask Ford about the Edsel, ask some poorly run retail stores in Lawrence's past. If Lawrence consumers are so smart, so self righteous and so all-knowing and truly agrees with the nay-sayers on this post, Wal-Mart doesn't stand a chance. My guess is that Wal-Mart does fill a need, consumers will respond and Wal-Mart grows. It's the exact same principle that allows The Merc, yes, The Merc to grow, expand, use more of our city's resources, use a bigger parking lot, deal with more cars, etc. Yes, the Merc fills a real need of a particular consumer group here. Heck, they even moved to the evil West side to expand. The free marketplace is an amazing thing.

0

Matt Toplikar 6 years, 8 months ago

How come there wasn't anything in this story about the Grassroots Action poll that showed a clear majority (almost 2 to 1) of the town does not want a new Wal-Mart? This seems like a pretty big thing to leave out. I hate to say it, but I really think the coverage of this story in the Journal World has been slanted. If you look back through the list of stories on this issue, it's pretty obvious that the discussion of the negative impacts that Wal-Mart will have on this town has been downplayed or left out completely, while any and all arguments for a new Wal-Mart (there aren't many) keep popping up in every story.

There was a headline that read "Economic Boost" with a picture of Wal-Mart next to it. One story discussed how the city's comprehensive plan said the area in question was designed for retail, but failed to leave out that the plans also called for a non-department store. There was a story that downplayed to retail market analysis done by KU professor, Kirk McClure. There are many more examples, but one thing I've definitely noticed is that for the last few years, almost every Journal World article on this subject has led people to believe that the Wal-Mart store is only a few logistical steps from going through.

If you study Wal-Mart's tactics for dealing with any kind of resistence towards a new store going in, you see the same thing that is going on in this town. Somehow, anyone who might actually speak out against a new Wal-Mart is convinced that the wheels are already in motion-- that it's already too late to do anything about it, and we might as well just give up. For the last 2 years, whenever I talk to someone about the Wal-Mart issue, they basically all say the same thing "I don't want it here, but I thought it was pretty much a done deal. Isn't it going in already?"

I have to say that I'm pretty ashamed that our paper hasn't better informed people on this issue. There is a huge group of people going down to City Hall tonight to speak out against this, and I'm not even sure if it will be reported on. I know that the owners of the Journal World (which I know on a friendly basis-- they have always been kind to me) are business partners with Doug Compton who owns the land that wants to lease to Wal-Mart. I don't want to any make accusations but let me just say that it really seems like this is a conflict of interests that needs to be stated in each story upfront.

0

creamygnome 6 years, 8 months ago

I think there are plenty of other problems taxpayers are having to split the bill on that aren't related to wal-mart at all. I'd rather pay for a wal-mart employee's healthcare than to feed and clothe the 6 kids of some 24 year old alcoholic-chainsmoking-whitetrash single mother. Interesting facts though, I appreciate you putting them up.

0

Mkh 6 years, 8 months ago

"I keep reading this about Hack more and more. Who the H does she think she is?"

She is someone who thinks she FINALLY has power and repect in the small sandbox of Lawrence, KS. But the truth is, she is just another troll puppet of Doug Compton.

0

kawryan 6 years, 8 months ago

You can dress up a turd any way you want but its still going to stink.

0

Emily Hadley 6 years, 8 months ago

Hopefully 1% of those opposed WILL show up to make a visual representation of our stance on this.

Five hundred people could not easily be ignored by five, even if they turn off the microphone.

0

Emily Hadley 6 years, 8 months ago

"Commissioners meet at 6:35 tonight at City Hall. Hack said she'll likely limit the amount of time for public comment on the Wal-Mart issue to about one hour."

I keep reading this about Hack more and more. Who the H does she think she is? There are 100,000 people in this city, and apparently about half of us oppose this. If just 1% of those opposed showed up to to voice their opposition, then each person would be granted 7.2 seconds to speak.

How about if we had limited Wal-Mart to two proposals before calling time on them? Wal-Mart has wasted much, much more of our city's resources over this issue than everyone hoping to exercise their privilege of public comment. Considering that citizens give to the community and Wal-Mart drains revenue from existing businesses as well as exporting that wealth OUT of Lawrence, I think we Lawrencians deserve more mic time than the proposed tenant.

0

Roadkill_Rob 6 years, 8 months ago

Right_Thinker,

Thanks for spinning my words around. Never once did I say that I need retail stores to stir my soul and imagination.

You truly are the king sheep of neocon sheeple...you can spin people's words around with the best of them. You must've learned it from your boy Hannity.

0

BROWNIE 6 years, 8 months ago

A buddy of mine needed some extra spending money and couldn't find anything else, so he applied at Wal-Mart as a checker. He's making $11.50/hour! Maybe we should give them a tax abatement for creating new jobs that pay above a "living wage."

0

jonas 6 years, 8 months ago

"Ward (Anonymous) says:

wow. it looks like it could be in any american suburb! congrats on creating NO identity."

At sixth and Wakarusa? A little late for that.

Architect's renderings should have better cars in them. Like the Batmobile, and maybe the Oscar Meier Wiener Truck.

0

Tom Shewmon 6 years, 8 months ago

I think the Wal-Mart looks outstanding and can't wait to spend lots of $$$$ there, even if it is in Lawrence.

LJW moderators, are you going to remove the offensive racial and bigoted remarks suggesting Sam Walton owned slaves/operates his stores with slave labor, and denegrating those who choose to live in a mobile home?

And then there is ridiculous comments like that from RKR, if you need a retail establishment to stir your soul and imagination, my brother, you have some serious personal issues.

Ya'll are absolutely prestigious!

0

JackRipper 6 years, 8 months ago

I agree and I don't eat at fast food places either except occasionally a little place from Nebraska. I understand the reason it is more expensive but I also think there is a bit of the "if you have to ask the price you shouldn't eat here" mentality that the downtown in general is taking on and creeping in just like Walmart is creeping into JOCO west.

As far as Walmart, not a hot spot for me either. An excuse, I don't need to make excuses for Walmart but you obviously need to make them for the places you shop that do the same thing. It is the same mentality that says oh I'm so concerned about global warming I do my part by consuming a hybrid car when the answer would be taking the bus, walking, or biking. I get tired of the I will fix the world by still consuming but gosh they are so trendy so it must be good. Imagine all those Apple Ipods and gadgets are handmade without any enviromental impact but have to have it, so I'm told LOL!

0

Ace_Ventura 6 years, 8 months ago

I will never shop there and I will live within 3 min of it. I Will stick with my home town Hy-Vee and go to Target when I need something I can't get from Hy-Vee. Walfart can suck a phatty!

0

bugmenot 6 years, 8 months ago

Ah, the favorite argument of the Wal-Mart supporter: "Yeah, they're bad, but other companies do bad things, too, which makes it okay for Wal-Mart to do it." Wal-Mart has the power to change the way lots of companies to business. It chooses to lower the bar and force other companies (even big ones) to do shady business like it does or go out of business otherwise. That's the problem. When you're the biggest and most powerful, if you choose to use that power for evil, you'll be branded as evil. And, honestly, if the "Other people do bad things, too" argument didn't fly with your mom when you were little, why does it fly now?

0

Roadkill_Rob 6 years, 8 months ago

JackRipper,

Seven dollars for a quality burger and fries really isn't that much to spend for a meal.

But, if you prefer meat with sh!t in it, go ahead and buy your fast food burger for $2...and I mean it literally has sh!t in it. Read (or rent) Fast Food Nation and you'll know what I'm talking about.

However, I agree that it would be nice to have a place to buy toilet paper downtown. I wish there was a little market downtown that sold beer and wine as well. An all-night diner would be nice too.

0

beekone 6 years, 8 months ago

I can't wait for this new, even more conveniently located Wal-Mart. Finally, the competetion will force Dillon's to drop its prices to something just below highway robbery.

0

JackRipper 6 years, 8 months ago

When I look out that way I can't see exactly how a Walmart will some how change the character of that area. It already looks like JOCO. Strip malls across the street and lots of houses built like crap, how exactly is Walmart lowering the standards LOL!

As far as health insurance, where the goods come from, etc, etc, once again how is it different at the vast majority of other stores, including the brand name trendy places that seem to be acceptable to those opposing Walmart? It is nice to buy local and would support it more but $5.50 for hamburger and $2 for fries just doesn't work into the budget. Is there anyplace downtown where a person can buy toilet paper? I mean it isn't the downtown that I thought people wanted to protect from the past, it is now a trendy, boutique spot for the JOCO people to come and be conspicuous about their spending. Be sure to bring the new Range Rover, the roads are really bad. LOL!!!

0

Roadkill_Rob 6 years, 8 months ago

Bowhunter,

No, I won't shop there and I never will. And I'm not against growth, I just prefer growth with character...box stores and cookie cutter suburbs kill the soul and the imagination.

0

abbynormal 6 years, 8 months ago

We don't need another Walmart.

Facts: -Wal-Mart highlights its American suppliers but imports 60 percent of its goods

-In December 2005, a California court ordered Wal-Mart to pay $172 million in damages for failing to provide meal breaks to nearly 116,000 hourly workers as required under state law. Wal-Mart appealed the case.

-Wal-Mart reported in January 2006 that its health insurance only covers 43% of their employees. Wal-Mart has approximately 1.39 million US employees.

-One Out of Six Wal-Mart Employees Has No Health Care Coverage At All

-One 200-employee Wal-Mart store may cost federal taxpayers $420,750 per year. This cost comes from the following, on average: +$36,000 a year for free and reduced lunches for just 50 qualifying Wal-Mart families. +$42,000 a year for low-income housing assistance. +$125,000 a year for federal tax credits and deductions for low-income families. +$100,000 a year for the additional expenses for programs for students. +$108,000 a year for the additional federal health care costs of moving into state children's health insurance programs (S-CHIP) +$9,750 a year for the additional costs for low income energy assistance.

-Over the course of [a few years after Wal-Mart entered a community], retailers' sales of apparel dropped 28% on average, hardware sales fell by 20%, and sales of specialty stores fell by 17%.

-A 2004 study of estimated additional driving costs of Supercenters in the San Francisco Bay area concluded that there would be up to an additional 238 million vehicle miles traveled per year. These extra miles traveled could cost communities in the Bay area up $ 256 million in additional costs for infrastructure repair and environmental degradation.

-Annuanlly WAL-MART Costs Taxpayers $1,557,000,000.00 to Support its Employees

-WALMART recieves approx. $1.008 Billion in subsidies annually. ^^^^^^Imagine what the money could have been used for in the all of those communities. Schools? Increasing teacher salaries? Parks? Roads? FREAKIN T BUSES!?

0

Christine Pennewell Davis 6 years, 8 months ago

It is always so funny reading these when it is about walmart, each side is so dug in and the barbs that fly. So funny.

0

logicsound04 6 years, 8 months ago

Here's predicting a 5 to 1 vote...

===============================

"I'm sure none of the anti-Wal Mart crowd would say these horrible things about any of our merchants in downtown if they made it as big as the Waltons did."


You're missing the point. This issue has NOTHING to do with the geographical origin of a store and EVERYTHING to do with that store's business practices. One of the reasons our downtown merchants continue to exist downtown, within the market they were created, is because they have chosen to exist WITHIN the local market, rather than trying to supercede it, as Wal-Mart is fond of doing.

Rather than trying to co-exist in an area with complimentary merchants and retailers, Wal-Mart choses to replace all those merchants. They drive out competition by controlling their distribution at the expense of their distribution partners' pockets.

0

scenebooster 6 years, 8 months ago

"I'm glad I own Wal Mart stock."

Yeah - and to hell with everything else.

0

scenebooster 6 years, 8 months ago

"Long live Wal Mart! The best example of the american sytem there is. "

And there you have it - the ugly american on full display.

0

alm77 6 years, 8 months ago

bowhunter: I don't shop there now, I won't shop there when it's 1/2 mile from my house.

Joe: I wouldn't support anyone who has "made it big" by unethical business practices.

Believe it or not, the percentage of the population refusing to shop there is growing.

0

Bud Stagg 6 years, 8 months ago

Oh god we need a dicks sporting goods so bad. Nothing against Francis, but how much can you put in a 20x50 store downtown?

Long live Wal Mart! The best example of the american sytem there is. Started as a mom and pop store in downtown Bentonville, AR, a city much like Lawrence. I'm sure none of the anti-Wal Mart crowd would say these horrible things about any of our merchants in downtown if they made it as big as the Waltons did.

0

Bowhunter99 6 years, 8 months ago

All of you whinners will be shopping at this Walmart within 12 months of it being opened... Regardless of how many remarks about Walmart and trailer parks, all you're doing is being a bunch of irrational snubs...

The entire Planning Commission already approved it and the Council will approve it tonight.

Just make sure you make rational statements the next time someone wants this town to grow.... Not just being anti-company_X and try to change all of the existing rules and regulations in the name of 'anti-company_X.

Now we can only hope to get a Lowe's and a Dick's Sporting goods in there and it'll be alright!

0

cynical 6 years, 8 months ago

the open space being reserved for future trailer parks to house employees and customers. probably pack a few hundred trailers in there and then get zoning change adjacent property to expand.

0

Ward 6 years, 8 months ago

wow. it looks like it could be in any american suburb! congrats on creating NO identity. high five!

0

Crossfire 6 years, 8 months ago

Where is Masta Walton gonna keep dem slaves?

0

warthog 6 years, 8 months ago

"a 24-unit apartment complex that was slated to be adjacent to the store has been replaced by open space "

Danggit... I was a-hopin' ta git one of them thar apartments next ta Walmart. Guess I kin still park ma Winnybago in the parkin' lot.

0

Commenting has been disabled for this item.