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Domestic registry gets nod from AG

New commission will consider issue

April 7, 2007

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Domestic Partnership Registry proposal clears a legal hurdle on Friday

Kansas Attorney General Paul Morrison today released a legal opinion saying a proposed Domestic Partnership Registry program is not in conflict with the Kansas Constitution. Enlarge video

The Kansas Constitution is not standing in the way of Lawrence becoming the first city in the state to create a domestic partnership registry that would provide some legal recognition to gay couples.

Kansas Attorney General Paul Morrison released a legal opinion Friday that said a domestic partnership registry would not violate a constitutional amendment that bans same-sex marriage.

"We're now eager for the city to create a registry," said Maggie Childs, president of the Lawrence chapter of the Kansas Equality Coalition, which has lobbied for the registry. "We think it is only fair, and we think it is a small thing we're asking for."

The legal opinion, which doesn't have the power of a court ruling, states Lawrence should not create a registry that allows people from outside the city limits to register. Morrison wrote that the city could be found to be overstepping its constitutional authority if it did so.

The registry would allow unmarried couples - both same-sex and heterosexual - to register their domestic partnerships with City Hall.

Childs said registry's main benefit likely would be making it easier for domestic partners to qualify for health insurance benefits. There are companies that offer health insurance to the domestic partners of employees, but the partner normally must provide some form of documentation. Listing on the registry could be used as that documentation. The registry, however, would not require any business to offer benefits to domestic partners.

Now, the question becomes whether city commissioners are interested in creating the registry. Commissioner Sue Hack, who is expected to begin a one-year term as mayor Tuesday, said she hopes to have the issue on a City Commission agenda within 60 days.

But she stopped short of saying she was ready to create the registry.

"Because we were waiting for the attorney general's opinion, I haven't spent as much time studying it as I should," Hack said. "It hasn't been at the top of my list of issues to study, but it is moving up on the list now."

A majority of commissioners in January expressed support for the registry but said they first wanted to receive an attorney general's opinion on it.

The attorney general's opinion, however, did not come before the recent city elections. That means a new set of commissioners will consider it. New commissioners Rob Chestnut and Mike Dever - who will take office Tuesday - were noncommittal on the subject during the campaign.

Childs said she's optimistic the registry will be created in Lawrence, and she's willing to wait 60 days to give commissioners the time to get their questions answered.

"I think if the new city commissioners want to represent all of the city of Lawrence, they will pass this," Childs said. "I can understand that there are people who have some religious beliefs that might have concerns about this, but those shouldn't be used to mold public policy."

State legislators had been considering a law that would prohibit cities from creating a domestic partnership registry. But that legislation has not won approval, and legislative leaders recently said the issue probably is dead until next year's legislative session.

Comments

none2 7 years ago

If there is no cure for fundy xians who have ransacked Christianity or islamofacists who have ransacked Islam, then why would one expect a cure for homosexuality? Are religious fanatical perversions genetically induced?

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Jamesaust 7 years ago

Q: "So people who are born blind due to a malfuntion in development aren't born genetically blind?"

A: No, they're not.

Although Lysenko in the Soviet Union did perpetuate false science claiming so for quite a while: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inherita...

Q: "I suppose people born with Down's Syndrome aren't born with it genetically."

A: Of course they are. Down Syndrome is a genetic disease caused by an extra 21st chromosome. Here's a picture: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/mapview/maps.cgi?taxid=9606&chr=21

"...you'd think evolution would have moved on to something better by now."

On the contrary. Human beings seem so successful that some have described them as being a plague on our planet.

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Linda Endicott 7 years ago

People aren't GENETICALLY born blind?

Really? So people who are born blind due to a malfuntion in development aren't born genetically blind?

I suppose people born with Down's Syndrome aren't born with it genetically. And people born with diabetes aren't born with it genetically. People born with dwarfism don't get it genetically, huh?

If evolution extinguishes anything that isn't advantageous, then why are humans still here? Considering how many millions of people have something wrong with them (and a lot of it GENETICALLY), you'd think evolution would have moved on to something better by now.

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Deb Engstrom 7 years ago

This registry won't only be for same sex relationships. It will also be beneficial for heterosexual couples who choose not to marry, right? I really don't see the connection between Morrison and Dr. Tiller (if indeed there is one) having anything to do with this decision. What does the registry have to do with abortion?

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Michael Capra 7 years ago

NOD NOD NOD UP UP UP DOWN DOWN DOWN NOD NOD NOD SIGN UP WITH YOUR LIFE LONG PARTNER

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Jamesaust 7 years ago

"How are they different from someone who is born blind...."

Blindness is the result of a physiological damage. In blunt (and misleading) terms: part A doesn't work.
That's not so with homosexuality - part A works just fine, just not how YOU WANT it to. That is, people may be born blind but they're not GENETICALLY born blind; contrast, homosexuality. (Also, contrast, color "blindness".)

I don't really know what you mean by "evolutionary anomaly" but many theories exist as to why homosexuality is evolutionarily advantageous to animals - and indeed, it MUST be advantageous or else evolution would extinguish it in short order. Please remember: genetic "success" (a/k/a, reproduction) is about the survival of population of genes, not an individual representative's own genes. One is "successful" in reproducing if only one's siblings reproduce, for example.

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OZ 7 years ago

Posted by Your_Mom (anonymous) on April 8, 2007 at 2:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This registry could be another tool for the government to round up and silence those that sign up. Like gun registration, the government would have the information to find all that had registered. Remember the movie 'Red Dawn'? The Cubans and Russians collected everyones gun that was registered.

'Pink Midnight', the government rounds up all the couples registered as gays and ships them to Disneyland or Boys / Girls Town. Whichever is sicker.

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You're such a X-TIAN, "mom"

Is that insipid, inane, drivel something you extracted from your BUYBULL or are those words a direct communication from your Jesus?

Either way, you're an IGNORANT HYPOCRITE and a BIGOT.

There's a slang term for women like you; it rhymes with RUNT.

Enjoy ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE WEEKEND, and.....

Praise CHEESES ! ! !

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Your_Mom 7 years ago

This registry could be another tool for the government to round up and silence those that sign up. Like gun registration, the government would have the information to find all that had registered. Remember the movie 'Red Dawn'? The Cubans and Russians collected everyones gun that was registered.

'Pink Midnight', the government rounds up all the couples registered as gays and ships them to Disneyland or Boys / Girls Town. Whichever is sicker.

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OZ 7 years ago

"Heterosexuality is not normal, it's just common." -- Dorothy Parker

Easter has been CANCELED (they found the body)

Have a Happy ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE WEEKEND, and.....

Praise CHEESES ! ! !

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just_throw_bozo_from_this_bus 7 years ago

Aren't homosexuals just genetically disfunctional and aren't they basically just an evolutionary anomaly? How are they different from someone who is born blind or someone with mongolism? Does this give them minority status? I guess the disabled have the ADA, is this registry like that?

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Thats_messed_up 7 years ago

"Gay people are perfectly capable of having children, even if through medical practices, not sexual ones."

Is that because they squirt in the wrong place?

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Thats_messed_up 7 years ago

I love Your_Mom! She's hilarious!

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Jamesaust 7 years ago

"Someday there will be a cure for homosexuals...."

And what, pray tell, would they be cured of? Homosexuals are not "sick" heterosexuals.

Reminds me of a joke: Two gay gays are on a romantic vacation to the beach. Towards sunset they walk hand in hand along the waves filled with the joy of the moment and their love. Then they spot a beautiful woman walking alone towards them from the other direction ... model beautiful...a "10". As she passes, she says "Hi, boys," and smiles.
The gays are unable to avoid stopping and turning to watch her walk on. Says one guy to the other, "You know, sometimes, I wish I were a lesbian."

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Agnostick 7 years ago

"If my memory serves me it was Tiller's lawyers that donated money to the Judges campaign and to Morrison's campaign. The lawyers on behalf of their client to protect him from exactly what is happening now. The intent is there, it stinks, and Tiller is in trouble"


And, "mom," I've given you access to all the tools you need to prove your point. All you have to do is use them.

Tough as it may be for you to believe this, a donation from "ProKanDo" is different than a donation from "Tiller, George" or "Women's Health Services."

If you wish to follow through with that logic, then the "other side" has just as much right to imply similar things. For example, that a donation from "Kansans for Truth in Politics" (K-TIP) is the exact same as a personal donation from violent, bomb-building extremist Cheryl Sullenger.

Do you agree, "mom?"

Admittedly, I am only talking about Morrison's political contributions; I have no knowledge of contributions made to any of the judges' campaigns. However, the tools that I have referred to could, presumably, be used to research comtributions to other campaigns, as well.

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com http://www.uscentrist.org

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Linda Endicott 7 years ago

Gay people aren't all sterile, JSDAD, anymore than all heterosexuals are. Gee...

Gay people are perfectly capable of having children, even if through medical practices, not sexual ones.

What makes you think there will be less population growth? Many gay couples already have children. What's your point?

Besides, the domestic registry also applies to all heterosexual couples living together without being married as well.

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JSDAD 7 years ago

THEY HAVE FINALLY FIGURED OUT HOW TO GET 3X POPULATION GROWTH IN THIS TOWN. NOW WHERE DO THEY ALL WORK, SO THOSE BENEFITS OF REGISTRY ARE USABLE.

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Your_Mom 7 years ago

If my memory serves me it was Tiller's lawyers that donated money to the Judges campaign and to Morrison's campaign. The lawyers on behalf of their client to protect him from exactly what is happening now. The intent is there, it stinks, and Tiller is in trouble.

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Agnostick 7 years ago

"you got that I was talking about Tiller the killer and the new'ly purchased AG...why can't the fuzzy Aggie get that?"


Because you have absolutely no documentation to bear it out, bearded_gnome.

I've presented an ironclad link to the Kansas Governmental Ethics Commission. All candidates are required to file exhaustive lists of contributions from individuals, businesses, and other groups or organizations.

At least three reports are available for both Phill Kline and Paul Morrison.

Download Morrison's reports--they're in PDF files. Use Adobe Acrobat's "Search" function to find either:

"tiller" (as in "George Tiller")

or

"women's" (as in "Women's Health Services")

If you can find either of 'em, please point them out to me, and prove me wrong.

If an outside, third-party PAC decides to send out a bunch of flyers on behalf of a candidate, or against another candidate, that's the system we have. It's called "dirty politics," and in the final weeks of the 2006 campaign, there was a lot of mud-slinging on both sides.

Not only did Phill Kline lose, but he also completely botched a case that quite possibly might've given you your "dream": Had Phill focused on the case, and not his face time in front of the camera, Tiller's clinic might actually have been shut down. But Kline didn't follow prudent legal procedure. Now, that case is not only botched for him, but likely for Morrison and all the other AGs to follow.

Not surprising, though, when you consider Kline let his legal license lapse so he could be come the next "El Rushbo."

This thread is headed by a story about Lawrence's potential domestic partner registry, not abortion.

Everyone who reads this, bearded_gnome, knows that you and your fellow extremist crackpots desperately resorted to a diversionary tactic. The irony of this is that your standing on the diversion is even more precarious than what you tried to divert from.

I could comment on the illegitimacy of the links presented by your fellow extremists, but I won't waste my time. None of them show direct contributions to Morrison's campaign by Tiller or his business.

Nobody was "bought" on November 2nd. Two guys rolled around in the mud of "dirty politics" for a few weeks, and there was a clear winner.

End of story.

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com http://www.uscentrist.org

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Marion Lynn 7 years ago

Mom:

No it is the "cure" thing I was referring to.

Thanks.

Marion.

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penguinatheart 7 years ago

...wow. i'm confused. sarcasm? conservativism? or are you confusing homosexuals with sexual predators?

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Your_Mom 7 years ago

Kidding?

Why shouldn't we have a registry? We need to know where they're living in our neighborhoods. As I understand it they can't live near schools or daycare facilities. The registry is for protection, right?

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Marion Lynn 7 years ago

Your_Mom wrote:

"Posted by Your_Mom (anonymous) on April 7, 2007 at 7:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Domestic registry is a good idea. Someday there will be a cure for homosexuals but until that day we should provide them with legal protections."

Marion writes: ' 'You ARE kidding........aren't you?

Thanks.

Marion.

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bearded_gnome 7 years ago

okay Drew, I'm typing very slowly for you now.
"Uhhh, no. People who hate 'the gays' for no good reason qualify as wingnuts to me. There are many fine examples of this present here."--Drew//// don't have one bit of hate for homosexuals. you're the one inferring hate and demonstrating lots of name calling and hate. I do not hate them just because I have a principled opposition to our society recognizing this kind of relationship. and before you start throwing the "homophobic" slur, that's not a real term, it was created to demonize those opposed to the homosexual agenda.


"Drew is an angry little crack" - bearded gnome

"Thanks for the analysis, doc. What's funny is that you have absolutely no idea who the hell I am, and yet you feel qualified to 'diagnose' me as a 'crack.' Now what was that you said about being angry? Judging by your previous posts its doubtful that you see the irony there:)"-Drew

no diagnosis was made, though if you knew me you'd be surprised. "you're an angry little crack" Drew you sure are one of the humor impaired. that's a line from a recent radio ad most of us know. besides, what's a "crack" in your reading? dunno. honestly, anyone reading my posts and yours would come away noting the humor and other heartfelt emotions which I express. reading your posts would be an excursion in name calling, personal slurs, demonization of national and other leaders, some bloodthirsty liberalism, a desire to criminalize policy differences, and just plainly a lot of anger. a far higher proportion of your posts have been removed than have been mine. the numbers there do not lie my angry little crack.

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bearded_gnome 7 years ago

Righty, thanks for the 'boatload' (6) of links on Tiller's boatload of political influence money. some of the same people defending him on this with the AG automaticly imply evil motives for the high political donations Dever and Chestnut received. h y p o c r i s y.

you got that I was talking about Tiller the killer and the new'ly purchased AG...why can't the fuzzy Aggie get that?

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bearded_gnome 7 years ago

If a man speaks, and no woman hears him, is he still wrong?

why Godot, you must not be married, or not married very long. here's the answer.

''' if he speaks, of course he's wrong, because somewhere, anywhere, there are still women/womyn out there! remember clinton's comments on not being alone, no one is ever truly alone in the world. he then went on to emit the famous line "it depends on what the meaning of 'is' is."

I hope that stilled any lingering doubt.

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Godot 7 years ago

Eliminate the income tax, eliminate tax breaks for benefits, eliminate the death tax, and, voila, no need for domestic registries, or, for that matter, government recognition of marriage.

The FAIR tax is the solution to so many of the injustices in our society.

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drewdun 7 years ago

"Anyone who hasn't been properly indoctrinated into political correctness is a wingnut. Correct Drewdun?" - mick

Uhhh, no. People who hate 'the gays' for no good reason qualify as wingnuts to me. There are many fine examples of this present here.

"Drew is an angry little crack" - bearded gnome

Thanks for the analysis, doc. What's funny is that you have absolutely no idea who the hell I am, and yet you feel qualified to 'diagnose' me as a 'crack.' Now what was that you said about being angry? Judging by your previous posts its doubtful that you see the irony there:)

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OZ 7 years ago

Posted by WRONG_thinker (anonymous) on April 7, 2007 at 7:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Since 1973, over 40 million unborn children have been legally aborted in the United States - a number equivalent to the population of New York City, plus the entire state of California. Let joy be unconfined."

http://www.nationalreview.com/dreher/dre...

The figure is now more than 45,000,000.

God bless America!

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Since the beginning of X-TIANITY, MILLIONS upon MILLIONS upon MILLIONS have been MURDERED by HYPOCRITICAL X-TIANS in the name of their "god"

I'll remind of you the CRUSADES, The SPANISH INQUISITION and of the course the HOLOCAUST led by HITLER a fine X-TIAN Example.

The X-TIAN MURDERS continue today, we have the DEATH PENALTY and of course, IRAQ!

HAPPY ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE WEEKEND, and ......

Praise CHEESES ! ! !

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Your_Mom 7 years ago

Domestic registry is a good idea. Someday there will be a cure for homosexuals but until that day we should provide them with legal protections.

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Godot 7 years ago

bearded_gnome wrote: "you are so devoted to doubting that there is a God, yet you don't seem to doubt that I exist, and you routinely communicate at me without ever seeing or hearing me speak. what if, for example, I don't really exist?"

If a man speaks, and no woman hears him, is he still wrong?

Sorry, could not resist.

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Tom Shewmon 7 years ago

"Since 1973, over 40 million unborn children have been legally aborted in the United States - a number equivalent to the population of New York City, plus the entire state of California. Let joy be unconfined."

http://www.nationalreview.com/dreher/dreher012003.asp

The figure is now more than 45,000,000.

God bless America!

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Tom Shewmon 7 years ago

http://www.dr-tiller.com/tillers-governor.htm

http://www.dr-tiller.com/backdoorcash.htm

http://www.efg2.com/Meadowlark/2006/10-03/2006.htm

http://cjonline.com/stories/103106/leg_tiller.shtml

http://www.saljournal.com/blogs/?p=146

This makes anything the rabid far-left says about GWB seem boring and meaningless.

Tiller, Morrison and Sebelius are your kind of people.

You guys are simply outstanding!

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Agnostick 7 years ago

I don't doubt that there is a God, gnome; I doubt that any single religion can adequately grasp the concept, cover all the bases. "God" is simple way too massive for any single faith or theology to get a hold on--Christianity being at the top of the list.

"he accepted a boatload of money from a current subject of investigation and prosecution."

Do you mean Tiller? Or somebody else? Perhaps you could be more specific?

Here's a good place to start:

http://www.accesskansas.org/srv-campaignfinance/showForm.do

Have at it.

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com http://www.uscentrist.org

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Michael Capra 7 years ago

MAKE THEM JUMP THOUGH THE HOOPS THEY HAVE CREATED

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hawkperchedatriverfront 7 years ago

458casul...have you seen the PONIES...You think that maybe a going away gift for Rundle and Schauner would be appropriate of a POO PONIE? From what I understand though the Poo Ponies do not like to take riders.it makes them sweat. You seen the ponies are much like the majority of Lawrence residents who have been riding for too long at the expense of others..kinda like the members of the PLC and the neighborhood groups and the list goes on and on....a very long list(yet to come).

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OZ 7 years ago

Posted by SettingTheRetardStraight (anonymous) on April 7, 2007 at 1:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I thought this guy was a moderate.

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::snicker::

You "thought"?

BWAAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAPPY ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE WEEKEND, and.....

Praise CHEESES ! ! !

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hawkperchedatriverfront 7 years ago

Are POO PONIES an acceptable gift at a LINKing ceremony?

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Michael Capra 7 years ago

DONT CARE WANT TO KNOW THE INVISABLE MADE UP LIFE LONG PARTNER THAT RUNDEL HAS,,NOT

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bearded_gnome 7 years ago

merely questioning the judgment of such an AG Aggie. he accepted a boatload of money from a current subject of investigation and prosecution. that's how, and you'd have seen it, if you weren't so blurry in your thinking Aggie. need any other truths explained?

you are so devoted to doubting that there is a God, yet you don't seem to doubt that I exist, and you routinely communicate at me without ever seeing or hearing me speak. what if, for example, I don't really exist?

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Michael Capra 7 years ago

HURRY Rundle we all want to know who he is so we can post more

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oldvet 7 years ago

They have a different view then you do and you want to harass them and call them degrading names... you're no better than them... in fact, you are both very much alike, and my first statement applies equally to both of you...

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Agnostick 7 years ago

"the best lil AG Tiller's money could buy!"


Right. Of course.

Because abortion is related to same-sex relationships... How?

Pull your skirt down, bearded_gnome. Your "Red Herring" is showing. :)

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com http://www.uscentrist.org

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Ragingbear 7 years ago

Well, if I were to say they were crazy, that would insult the mentally ill.

Let's all call them fags. That will really mess with their heads.

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americorps 7 years ago

Please, find another word. I have many friends with mental retardation and they are not anything like the Pheps Klan.

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Ragingbear 7 years ago

I have just been informed that the Westboro Baptist Church is downtown protesting it. Make sure to grab your cameras and go harrass them for being retards.

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smitty 7 years ago

He is. You however are on the right fringe of the political charts. I'll create a ritual for your healing. Let me know if it works.

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SettingTheRecordStraight 7 years ago

I thought this guy was a moderate.

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Jamesaust 7 years ago

"The legal opinion, which doesn't have the power of a court ruling...."

True, but its the next best thing. The AG's opinions carry considerable weight with the courts. Nothing is binding but no Judge is going to toss this aside without considerable reflection.

And the report is no surprise. There's a considerable gap between holding, on one hand, an opinion that the State does not want to make any relationship other than 'traditional' (a/k/a, opposite gender) marriage in the likeness and form of marriage, and, on the other hand, a recognition that there are varieties of human relationships, including same gendered partners, that exist and have their own legalistic needs, including bare recognition.

All this registry accomplishes is to make such persons something other than "strangers before the law" - a 'reality based' approach (a/k/a, a Fact). Critics often resemble schizophrenics sticking their fingers in their ears, closing their eyes shut tight and muttering to themselves, "I can't see you. I can't hear you. You don't exist."

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coneflower 7 years ago

Cool! Let Lawrence be better than Kansas.

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 7 years ago

My only comment is that I am heartily pleased to see that this attorney general does not have the tunnel vision that the previous occupant of this office displayed. And I am thankful that he people of Kansas had the sanity to observe this also. Kline was a monumental embarrasment to Kansas and the new office holder clearly does not have his head stuck in the pages of the Holy Bible. Thanks for the breath of sanity and good judgement Mr. Morrison.

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pelliott 7 years ago

Klines attorney generals office ignored so much comsumer fraud, and the everyday necessities of importance to Kansas to pursue his antiabortion hunts. I was appalled to see the legislature trying to manage the office to continue serving their god, a narrow god that doesn't see identity theft, stalking, coorporate piracy as items to prioritize. It is bad enough to see workers rights and consumer rights gained through generations of sacrifice and lives being sold for pennies on the dollar by our Senators and Congressmen, but to finally get a bum out and they don't want the band to switch songs is really telling the voters, go to and your dead as a people. Someones' church principals should not take precident over how the law reads. Too much of my tax money has been spent in that office trying to twist the law to become canon. If the law does not restrict a city from forming a registry and the attorney general has been asked for an opinion, do i dare say it , It is his duty to state the law. The Fredites and the Klinites should not run this state out of law and into salem trials.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 7 years ago

So, they can consider it and study it for a while while bigger and more important issues are decided upon. Hopefully this commission will realize that this issue is a non plus.

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bearded_gnome 7 years ago

the best lil AG Tiller's money could buy!


Drew is an angry little crack. studies show that walking around with all that anger puts his/her heart at great risk. not a healthy coping style.

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mick 7 years ago

Anyone who hasn't been properly indoctrinated into political correctness is a wingnut. Correct Drewdun?

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compmd 7 years ago

Maybe it was a lightning bolt from God that took out power to a chunk of the city yesterday after this announcement was made.

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sandysslick 7 years ago

One more reason to leave Lawrence.........great going!

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drewdun 7 years ago

Calling all wingnuts..........

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