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It’s a start

April 6, 2007

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To the editor:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is trying to get some diplomacy going again. I doubt her visit will make any difference, or create sweeping changes in the Middle East, yet it's a start.

Neither party has come up with any actionable plan to salvage success from the debacle in Iraq. Both parties repeat the mantra "We support the troops'" yet they continue bickering, to the detriment of our servicemen and women.

American diplomacy used to mean something. Our diplomats would smile for the cameras, and then behind closed doors would show the teeth behind that smile.

No one believes our carrot-and-stick approach anymore. We've lost all credibility in the world community, and have all but abandoned those diplomatic channels, as our forces in Iraq and Afghanistan pay the price. To stay the course will only bring more of our soldiers home in boxes, to set a timetable will result in the collapse of Iraq, with Iran and Syria moving in to create a Disney World for terrorists. All the while, our state department seems to be on vacation.

Diplomacy does not win wars, yet it is a vital part of any conflict.

Some think her solo trip was meaningless. I agree. Every member of Congress should have gone with her. That trip would have had meaning.

Steve Craven, Lawrence

Comments

craigers 8 years, 4 months ago

You can be sick of Bush, that's fine. However, what she did was insubordination and was purely a political power move to show people she doesn't care what Bush says or approves.

JohnBrown 8 years, 4 months ago

"...what she did was insubordination ..."

That statement implies that the President is more equal than the legislative branch, not so. They're co-equal branches along with the Supreme Court, meaning they share power.

The only thing Bush has been able to run is the United States military into the ground. That's what happens when you choose and appoint "Bushies" over competency.

cowboy 8 years, 4 months ago

please refrain from calling bush a cowboy , it is offensive to many of us , he is a yale educated child of priveledge and a lying jacka$$ to boot

Christine Pennewell Davis 8 years, 4 months ago

How is it a start talking to syria? A cuontry that is proud of supporting terrisom? There is a reason they have been on the terrorison watch list since the 70's, A list that has seen both Dem. and Rep. presidents. And then she said some things that have been seen as over stepping her, and anyones, bounds. Just come home and deal with issues here please, we have enough of our own we do not need to heap anymore on our plate.

Porter 8 years, 4 months ago

"what she did was insubordination "

It's sad that so many have such a poor understanding of how our government is supposed to work.

sekan 8 years, 4 months ago

As your Idol GW would say "You are doing a heck of a job, Right-Thinker

ASBESTOS 8 years, 4 months ago

What you Bush haters forgot to mention on the issue of Pelosi going abroad (hehe) was the outcry from the other World's Countries that were mostly negative. I like Mort Kondrakey's take on it: "Pelosi was in over her head". SHe simply does not have the grasp of the mid east to broker anything, and only mudied the waters.

She mistated the Isreali position on re-start of the Peace Process, and misrepresented Syria's willingness to start the peace process. She then went to Saudia Arabia and mas a fool out of herself by imposing western values in the Kingdom pointing out the lack of women in the Political leaders of the Kinddom. Simply embarrassing to the King, and though I agree with Pelosi's sentiment, she stepped into it. You do not go to another country to embarass the King, dumb, very dumb.

All this was was usurping the Presidential Authority, plain and simple. You Dems would be screaming bloody murder if that happened to a Democratic Party President, so why is iot OK HERE???? Idiots!

This was a dumb move, and gave the world a mixed message toward Syria and Islamic Funadmentalist Countries of whether we are or are not islotaing them. We talked with Syria for four years during the First Bush Term, they resulted in nothing. Syria does not want to cooperate with the US, that is counterproductive to their national Interests.

There will be another Democratic President, do you wnat his authority challanged this way, and do you want Republicna congressmen and women going to other countries concerning foriegn policy and making that policy up all by them selves?

Yea, that is a slippery slope, and the dems stepped in oit firts. Murtha lovers BTW are traitors and Anti American.

prioress 8 years, 4 months ago

You can be sick of Bush, that's fine. However, what she did was insubordination and was purely a political power move to show people she doesn't care what Bush says or approves.

And the Republican 'visitors.' What are they?

mick 8 years, 4 months ago

What would Alfred E. Newman think? "What me worry." His picture looks so familiar.

Christine Pennewell Davis 8 years, 4 months ago

well grandstanding, one uping, or just plain I am smarter than you or showboating are words I would have used. The last time I looked neither Bush nor Peloise where in the military so insubordination is not even close.

mick 8 years, 4 months ago

If you want to create an ex post facto law you could charge Pelosi for committing a felony. Someone will probably have to tell this White House that you can't do that.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 8 years, 4 months ago

"Pelosi was in over her head". SHe simply does not have the grasp of the mid east to broker anything, and only mudied the waters.

And Bush has a clue? He didn't have any concept that there were factions who would jump into civil war without the jerky dictator that he got rid of. It's just like when Yugoslavia's Tito died. Those factions were being held together out of fear of Tito, not out of patriotism. It's same for Iraq. I don't even think Bush knew how the boundaries were drawn in Iraq by a clerk of the League of Nations. He doesn't understand how our democracey evolved (oh yeah, evolution is bad), and that without that background, it's a struggle to establish that kind of democracy.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 8 years, 4 months ago

Sorry, I pushed the wrong button before I had finished. We should not allow people to run for office until they have taken a course in world history.

BorderRat 8 years, 4 months ago

I still say she looked kinda hot in her scarf...

SB1 8 years, 4 months ago

She's an absolute rookie, her staff should be fired for allowing her to do something so stupid.

That said, Bush should also be taken out to the woodshed. Assad (and his father before him) had been the baddest of the bad in the Middle East for years and was far more of a threat to the US, Israel and other countries than Iraq was. Yet, little has been done with Syria.

Each of them may be in the highest position of power for their respective branches of government, but it doesn't make them any smarter. Sad, very sad.

mick 8 years, 4 months ago

What Nancy is doing is probably the most insulting thing that has ever been done to a president. Unfortunately, this one deserves it.

imastinker 8 years, 4 months ago

She has no authority to do anything while there. Her authority comes as a member of Congress, with her vote.

It's no different that if Boog says he's going to get tough on developers. His word means nothing more than just that. He is powerless without the rest of the council.

Pelosi is SCARY!! She will ruin this country if we let her.

Godot 8 years, 4 months ago

"Posted by mick (anonymous) on April 6, 2007 at 10:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If you want to create an ex post facto law you could charge Pelosi for committing a felony. Someone will probably have to tell this White House that you can't do that."

Mick, the Logan Act is 200 years old, and it addresses exactly what Pelosi has done. She should be forced to resign for this.

mick 8 years, 4 months ago

The Logan Act does not address what Nancy Pelosi is doing.

mick 8 years, 4 months ago

She's an elected representative of our government.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 4 months ago

No she is an elected representative of CALIFORNIA, in the San Fran District.

Would you want David Duke or Tom Delay to make visitations to these countries? NO. Not their function. Just because Rep. Pelosi is Speaker of the house does not mean she can ignore law and go gallavanting all over the globe with all the aplomb of a blind used toliet paper inspector!

Not in her job diescription, she was not elected for this function, it is why we have a State Department.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 4 months ago

You have no point OZ, and got that "Cut and paste" hot off the press from MOVEON.org reflector.

Franklin D. Roosevelt did not serve either, and was perhaps one of our better "war" presidents.

Watch what you say, it could sink your dogma.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 4 months ago

Still "that idiot Bush" is better than BOTH the idiots the DNC put up in the last 2 presidential elections.

Kerry and Gore. The Dems "lost" in 2000 because of a very poor candidate, and did the same thing in '04.

They are following the same game plan in '08: "We hate Bush"!

GET OFF IT and GET SOME VISION AND POSITION OTHER THAN "WE HATE BUSH". GOOD LORD IT IS GETTING OLD!!!!!!!!

ASBESTOS 8 years, 4 months ago

That's no kidding there righty. IF there is one journalist with an ounce curosity would have the "Story of the Century" if they just went undercover for the Hillary Whitehouse bid, and all those lining up to assist her in this effort.

I believe it is the only reaseon these "Lefties" are populating the major media outlets at the current tmie.

I think there is a concerted effort to elect Hillary from the media. One problem though .. Obama. No one could have called that one.

The "meida intervention" worked for the DNC by lying about the Iraq war and the constant propagandizing of the WoT. This led to Repuiblicans making stupid mistakes and became the "Gang that could not Shoot Straight". They fumbled EVERY CONSERVATIVE ISSUE!!! (I am not talking the "religious COnservative Issues') and that also turned off the Conservative voters.

Still, the DNC BARELY WON!

There is truth out there, and those politicians willing to wreck their "legacy" by making a stand on something is getting more and more rare in this day and age of "electing fundraisers". We have had "Fundraisers in Chief" for the last 2.5 Decades.

When will REAL political statesmen com again?

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 8 years, 4 months ago

What's the matter with Nancy? She should be taking golf trips to Scotland funded by good american lobbyist who are trying to buy her vote. Trying to find a way out of this brick wall we're headed for is silly.

Porter 8 years, 4 months ago

This is dumb. Several of the "looney left" have asked the same serious question (why it's ok for Issa, Wolff, etc, but not for Pelosi). No answer yet (after several posts) from right_thinker, ASBESTOS, and Pilgrim. Just more blather about liberals being the scourge of the country.

It's like watching an adult try to debate a 2nd grader. After every adult question, the reply is a loud "so's your face!!". Neither helpful, nor entertaining.

deec 8 years, 4 months ago

Still no defense of the republicans on this trip, I see.

shockchalk 8 years, 4 months ago

scene................are nascar dads married to soccer moms?

ASBESTOS 8 years, 4 months ago

"Beats the hell out of being a soccer mom married to your sister."

LOL Pilgrim!1

"But I want to watch"

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"Still "that idiot Bush" is better than BOTH the idiots the DNC put up in the last 2 presidential elections.

No, he's not."

OH, OK, if YOU say so there greyheim, then I guess your are right . What a great argument!

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"What's the matter with Nancy? She should be taking golf trips to Scotland funded by good american lobbyist who are trying to buy her vote."

At least she would not be mucking up the national security and muddying the Matters of State Department concern.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 4 months ago

OZ:

So does Rosie, and Sean Penn, and the ACLU Deputy Director that had that little problem with Kiddie Porn.

Politicians on "your side" are no cleaner.

deec 8 years, 4 months ago

http://www.nytimes.c om/2007/04/07/washington/07diplo.htm l http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20070404-1 605-republicans-syria.html So the question is, do you object because she's a democrat, or because she's a woman? Try again, righties.

deec 8 years, 4 months ago

Name calling is not an answer. Try again. Why is it okay for gop congresspersons to visit Syria on an official fact-finding trip and not Pelosi? http://www.nytimes.c om/2007/04/07/washington/07diplo.htm lhttp://www.signonsandiego.com/news/polit...605-republicans-syria.html

Porter 8 years, 4 months ago

Well, rt made a fool out of himself by claiming that it's ok for the Repubs to go to Syria because they didn't say "the wrong thing". Nice argument, rt.

I have to thank Pilgrim for giving it a shot, but I have to say you fell short.

Pelosi claimed to be speaking for Israel?? Please. Can you offer up some quotes, or did that just come from O'Reilly's transcript?

Crispian Paul 8 years, 4 months ago

Posted by ASBESTOS (anonymous) on April 6, 2007 at 5:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OZ:

So does Rosie, and Sean Penn, and the ACLU Deputy Director that had that little problem with Kiddie Porn.

Politicians on "your side" are no cleaner.

OK, so I must've missed the part where Rosie O'Donnel, Sean Penn or the ACLU were politicians

deec 8 years, 4 months ago

Still no explanation grounded in fact about why its okay for gop reps to go to Syria and not Pelosi. Also, why would it not be appropriate for her to be spokesperson for the group of reps, since she is the highest-ranking member thereof?

Porter 8 years, 4 months ago

And the only proof of these "unauthorized messages" comes from a quote that Pilgrim refuses to cite. Most likely, it came from a Hannity rant or a Limbaugh joke.

Look, I'm not actually defending Pelosi in this in any way. I agree that congress should focus on legislating while the executive branch should deal with foreign affairs.

Two things anger me more than Pelosi's trip though. The first is all this talk that she's going there against the President's authority. All of those arguments do nothing but prove that some people still think Bush is the King of America. He has no "authority" over congress any more than he has authority over the Supreme Court. Fourth grade government class teaches us this.

The second thing that makes me angry is that there are 3 Republicans at Pelosi's side in Syria. But nobody, including Tony Snow's loud-mouthed staff bother to mention that while they're chastising only ONE person in the group. Whether Pelosi's in the right or not, she's not alone in this gaff and no one seems concerned about that. To me, that just reeks of political poop-throwing, and now isn't the time for that.

deec 8 years, 4 months ago

More name-calling through innuendo. Try again. Use facts and sources.

deec 8 years, 4 months ago

From the Columbus Ohio Dispatch 4/8/2007 "Rep. David L. Hobson of Springfield, who joined Pelosi and other lawmakers in a meeting yesterday with Syrian President Bashar Assad, disagreed with Boehner that Pelosi "came here to embarrass Bush. I think she came here to reinforce certain policies, understand the region better and have the region understand her better."

In a telephone interview last night from Saudi Arabia, Hobson said Pelosi "did not engage in any bashing of Bush in any meeting I was in and she did not in any meeting I was in bash the policies as it relates to Syria."

Instead, Hobson said, Pelosi and the congressional delegation urged Assad to curb the number of suicide bombers who cross the Syrian border into Iraq to "murder our troops and the Iraqi people."

The unusual disagreement between Boehner and Hobson, close friends whose districts abut each other, underscored that even political allies are divided about whether the United States should engage Syria in diplomatic talks."

fletch 8 years, 4 months ago

Can somebody explain to me how Speaker Pelosi going over there and engaging in diplomacy is somehow horrible, while a Republican congressional delegation that went literally 2 days before her is perfectly fine?

I smell some raging hypocrisy.

Christine Pennewell Davis 8 years, 4 months ago

well they did not stick foot in mouth like she did well at least not in front of cameras.

purplesage 8 years, 4 months ago

The Speaker of the House is not charged with the responsibility of conducting foreign policy. If she doesn't agree with the Administration's policy, tough. It isn't her job and it sends mixed messages into the already confused world.

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