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Kerry apologizes to troops after pressure from fellow Democrats

November 2, 2006

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— Democrats cut and ran from Sen. John Kerry Wednesday, forcing him to apologize for bungling a joke that ended up insulting U.S. troops in Iraq.

The Democratic senator from Massachusetts issued a mea culpa for a botched punch line that it's the uneducated who "get stuck in Iraq."

But the apology didn't come until Democrats, including potential 2008 rival Sen. Hillary Clinton, joined a chorus of Republicans dumping on the flubbed one-liner that was apparently meant to insult President Bush.

"What Sen. Kerry said was inappropriate," said Clinton, D-N.Y., on the campaign trail Wednesday.

Even Kerry's friend, radio host Dom Imus, told him he'd bungled it and could hurt Democrats' chances of taking back the House and Senate in next week's elections.

"Stop talking. Go home, get on the bike, go windsurfing, anything," Imus said. "Stop it. You are going to ruin this."

Kerry issued a statement saying he was sorry not long after that.

"I sincerely regret that my words were misinterpreted to wrongly imply anything negative about those in uniform, and I personally apologize to any service member, family member or American who was offended," he said. "I don't want my verbal slip to be a diversion from the real issues. I will continue to fight for a change of course to provide real security for our country and a winning strategy for our troops."

Clinton had offered similar sentiments, suggesting the brouhaha's unpleasant reminders of the 2004 election were distracting from Democrats' push to retake the House and Senate in 2006.

"I believe we can't let it divert us from looking at the issues that are at stake in our country," she said. "No one wants to see the 2004 election replayed - that's about the past."

Kerry had already pulled out of campaign stops in Pennsylvania, Minnesota and Iowa. A statement said he didn't want the "Republican hate machine" to use the candidates "as proxies in their distorted spin war."

Republicans, who gleefully attacked Kerry as a welcome distraction from their own electoral woes, appeared satisfied by Kerry's apology.

White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said Kerry's apology " came late but it was the right thing to do."

Earlier, House Majority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, had a harsh threat for the senator. "If he's not going to apologize, we're going to beat him to death until he does," he told Fox News.

Comments

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 10 months ago

Kerry is right-- it's BushCo who owe soldiers an apology for sending them to be killed or maimed in a poorly planned, vanity war.

Godot 8 years, 10 months ago

"I sincerely regret that my words were misinterpreted ..."

Kerry and Morrison would get a long real well.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 10 months ago

When will you demand an apology from Bush, P-Man. He's guilty of way more than telling it like it is, which is Kerry's primary transgression in this much ado about nothing.

roger_o_thornhill 8 years, 10 months ago

Man I need to figure out how to post my "Patriotman" comics. This weeks issue has the sturdy, principled Patriotman flying down onto the stage just after Kerry's boffo to deliver a powerful blow for truth, "justice", and the (white middle class) American way. Confused college students in the audience then decide this is the perfect opportunity to have a party (because thats what college kids do)and kegs appear from nowhere and JPSousa remixes blast from the PA. Patriotman (who has been standing on the defeated, deflated Kerry) becomes disenchanted then disgusted with the audience and flies back to his fortress of righteousness (aka the abandoned Masons lodge downtown) to consider his next move...

BOE 8 years, 10 months ago

by right_thinker on November 2, 2006 at 1:48 p.m.

" ' ...... they can work zero hour days nd watch cable TV....."-imastinker '

" Or post on LJW on-line..... is there a cure for this? "

==

You betcha.

Massive doses of reality and education, plus...

. . . . . . . . . . . .

....one of these.

http://www.foxblocker.com/.

lol. sorry rt, couldn't hold that one back. ;)

packrat 8 years, 10 months ago

"When will you demand an apology from Bush, P-Man. He's guilty of way more than telling it like it is, which is Kerry's primary transgression in this much ado about nothing."

Kerry's primary transgression was meeting with the North Vietnamese officials while still an officer in the Navy. His second transgression is the same as the President's, he doesn't actually believe in anything except getting elected.

rhd99 8 years, 10 months ago

I just saw where John "BONEHEAD" Boehner says he won't apologize to the generals & admirals for his criticism of them. Excuse me, did Boehner fight in war time? DID HE?! He knows NOTHING about where the military's needs are to be focused. John Kerry's Faux Paux represents that he is only human, like the rest of us. So, why does BOEHNER think he is better than any of US!? It's simple: HE IS NOT! Boehner's "I am Holier than Thou" attitude STINKS. That's why we need to get past this & clean the Capitol Hill POLLUTION!

shanefivedyes 8 years, 10 months ago

What a joke! Every once in awhile these guys will let slip the way they really feel.This guy was almost elected President?? Wow!

MyName 8 years, 10 months ago

Why do any of us care about John Kerry? I've asked the yesterday, and I've still not got an answer. He's not our Senator, he's never going to be President, and there's not a single politician in our state, Democrat or Republican, who care anything about what he says. It seems like the Republicans are looking for a life preserver in this election and John Kerry isn't it.

prairiepollyana 8 years, 10 months ago

Whew! What a close call our country had with the last Presidential election! I love it when the Dems point out that President Bush cannot speak, but so far...in my pointless opinion...he has not developed the "Foot In Mouth Disease" that Kerry has never quite gotten rid of...my theory on his latest is...a cute freshman caught his eye...he felt young and powerful... reverted back to his youth and he expressed his derogotory view of the military from the Vietnam era. He just needed to make her smile...it'll get them every time...

SettingTheRecordStraight 8 years, 10 months ago

"I sincerely regret that my words were misinterpreted ..."

THIS is an apology?!?!

Navin_R_Johnson 8 years, 10 months ago

logicsound,

i'm sorry if we got off on the wrong foot. i do apologize. hel, i thought i was being funny.

as you can tell i don't take myself or my politics too serious.

i just think patriotman is funny and most (i repeat most) of the republicans/conservatives don't seem to take themselves as serious as the democrats/liberals do here. there's way too little humor here. since his humor is pointed at you and others that may think like you, it probably makes you angry as opposed to want to laugh.

you liberals need one like him/her; you know 'fair and balanced' and all.

if i offended you, i apologize.

and yes, i did just join today. everybody has to have a first day. :)

peace,

navin

prairiepollyana 8 years, 10 months ago

I think film is the best evidence...it is all I need...you must be too young to remember the war veterans returning home after his testimony to congress...they were spit on and called baby killers...they were blamed for being in a war that a Democrat president escalated...don't try to say that this man is a patriot...I would put him in the catagory of Bennedict Arnold.

BOE 8 years, 10 months ago

" Earlier, House Majority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, had a harsh threat for the senator. "If he's not going to apologize, we're going to beat him to death until he does," he told Fox News. "

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Heh, heh

Boehner is just a tad bit too comfortable in his months-long held leadership post, and will soon find out what it's like to be on the short side of power.

Don't worry John B, you won't be beaten to death....it'll just feel like it.

More than anything else, Kerry's flubbed line about Bush, in becoming the lead news for four days, is a testament to the publics high tolerance for Bush's ineptness, where flubbed lines are a nearly daily occurance, yet garners maybe a hand full of shrugged shoulders, eye rolls, and pundit smiles.

Navin_R_Johnson 8 years, 10 months ago

"Posted by logicsound04 (anonymous) on November 2, 2006 at 4:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You were the first to engage in mindless, I-don't-have-a-point posts, so I was just showing you how worthless it is when your opponent does it."

so by engaging in the same behavior you accuse YOUR opposition of, accomplishes what?

you acting in the very way you seem to find so repugnant?

interesting. is that how it works here?

no wonder no one changes their view these days.

peace,

navin

classclown 8 years, 10 months ago

If Kerry's "botched joke" made the same implications about blacks, jews, hispanics, women, or gays would everyone be so quick to defend what he said?

Many posters here have previously made the implication - or just expressed outright - that people go into the military because they could never be able to get into college.

Therefore it is no surprise that his reprehensible statement is being defended and spun by some of you here. That is a slap in the face not only to those currently serving, but to anyone that has ever served.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 10 months ago

Not when you take it out of context.

But even that is closer to any sort of apology or mea culpa from arrogantly incompetent BushCo.

imastinker 8 years, 10 months ago

Nothing is wrong with the communist ideal. It sounds great on paper.

But in real life people are different. They need to be recognized for their individual achievements, or suffer the consequences of a lack of them. A doctor should have a better house and lifestyle than a unskilled laborer. Otherwise a person would want to be the laborer, who doesn't have to spend ten years paying for school and making no money.

Capitalism rewards people for their achievements and punishes for a lack of them. If a person wants to work 16 hour days, they can. They can also work four hour days. With welfare, they can work zero hour days nd watch cable TV from their air conditioned trailer. This type of handout ruins capitalism and encourages special interest voting - "Pay less, get more."

BOE 8 years, 10 months ago

No reason to steal ol' Hank's Noble Prize winning thunder ... other than avoidance of the painful truth.

===

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/26/AR2006052601926.html

More Vietnam War Papers Released Kissinger Told China U.S. Could Accept Communist Takeover

By Calvin Woodward Associated Press Saturday, May 27, 2006; Page A22

Henry A. Kissinger quietly acknowledged to China in 1972 that Washington could accept a communist takeover of South Vietnam if that evolved after a withdrawal of U.S. troops -- even as the war to drive back the communists dragged on with mounting deaths.

President Richard M. Nixon's envoy told Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai: "If we can live with a communist government in China, we ought to be able to accept it in Indochina."

Kissinger's blunt remarks surfaced from a collection of papers released yesterday by George Washington University's National Security Archive. The collection, from his years of diplomacy, was made up of documents available at the National Archives and obtained through the research group's declassification requests.

Porter 8 years, 10 months ago

Enough already!

The troops aren't dumb.

The idiots are the ones that keep spinning Kerry's words.

Over a hundred Americans killed in Iraq in October and this is where the outrage is?? Some people really can't see the forest from the trees.

Navin_R_Johnson 8 years, 10 months ago

"Posted by logicsound04 (anonymous) on November 2, 2006 at 4:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And to clarify, I don't find it repugnant, just pointless. Since my "mindless" post had a point, it is, by definition, not pointless..."

let me guess...

you're a democrat.

peace,

navin

drewdun 8 years, 10 months ago

All I need to know about the rightwing is the fact that a rabid wingnut fascist like conman/false-patriot supports McCarthyism and likes people like Joe McCarthy. It speaks VOLUMES about the authoritarian mindset of Republicans. I think you wingnuts would be more comfortable living in Communist Chi....oh, wait, you don't like commies; you'd probably be more comfortable in, what was that place, can't remember......OH. YEAH. NAZI GERMANY. Because really, isn't that what most hardcore Republicans are at heart - racist, hate-filled, close-minded, anti-intellectual, easily-programmed, authoritarian robots - in other words, aren't they just like the National Socialists?

middleoftheroader 8 years, 10 months ago

wow this article really brought everyone out of the woodworks. So many opinions one could comment on, but i'll just say that i think imastinker had the best post, and HolyGrailale, i can see your point about capitalism gone amuk, but i seriously doubt we are on the road to creating too many Steve Forbes' in this country, nor do i think we are creating too many welfare families either, but between the 2 i think it's better for a society to have too many Steve Forbes' than too many welfare families and it's probably best to leave capitalism as it is.

Katara 8 years, 10 months ago

Actually right_thinker, you can be a cool person, that is, until Patriotman (or whoever conservativeman is @ the time) and then you turn into a preteen girl.

You see, preteen girls aren't too mean to other girls very often on their own but you get them in a group, they are very capable of doing mean things to those they feel threatened by. You can ask any 6th-8th grade teacher to verify this.

You are funny and clever until one of your "buddies" shows up and then you turn into a pretty hateful person.

Try being your own man and not a follower. People respect those that do.

Just my .02

MidwestCommonSense 8 years, 10 months ago

This appalling episode over Kerry is yet another example of the Republican hate machine manipulating their allies in the corporate media (owned by the same Republican-supporting corporate barons) to create a non-existent issue that serves to take America's eyes off of the corruption and theft running rampant in Republican-controlled Washington. I hope that people have been watching the Congressional hearings on Iraq contracting (on C-SPAN) to witness Halliburton and other Republican-linked corporations committing atrocities against our troops in the field (for example, Halliburton is supplying untreated sewer water to our troops for drinking and bathing, in another fat contract given to them by their buddies in the White House and Republican Congress!) I'm glad to see that their disgraceful fearmongering and hate spin is no longer successful in pulling the wool over the eyes of decent Americans. As long as these corrupt Republicans can distract us from reality, they can continue their policy of "Tax and Steal, Tax and Steal" and America will be brought to its knees - bankrupted and broken, our Constitution in tatters. It's time to stand up for our country and clean out corruption - let's run, don't walk, to the voting booth Tuesday!!

melott 8 years, 10 months ago

It is clear that the army does not pay well, is a dangerous job, and as a result they are able to recruit primarily peope who have few other options--particularly those with not a lot of education. This is no secret. Unemployment has to be kept high to assure us an army. Kerry should have explained what he meant, not pretended it was a joke about Bush and not apologized. He will never get my support again.

jonas 8 years, 10 months ago

Patriotman: Have you graduated from KU, or attended at all? I don't recall much in the way of indoctrination at all from any of my multiple years on the hill, and certainly nothing of what you suggest: that you must accept a particular viewpoint in order to pass. What teachers did you find that such was the case? Can you provide any real, non hear-say examples.

prairiepollyana 8 years, 10 months ago

Posted by scenebooster (anonymous) on November 2, 2006 at 10:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"I think film is the best evidence...it is all I need...you must be too young to remember the war veterans returning home after his testimony to congress...they were spit on and called baby killers...they were blamed for being in a war that a Democrat president escalated...don't try to say that this man is a patriot...I would put him in the catagory of Bennedict Arnold."

So the guy goes to war for his country, and he's then not allowed to speak his mind?

How is that "patriotic"? Aren't we supposedly in Iraq to "spread democracy"? I thought free speech was pretty high on the list of things we're supposed to cherish...

scenebooster....Free speech also means responsiblility...when free speech is a lie and meant to elevate one's financial/political position regardless of hurting a group of people...i.e. the American soldiers... there should be consequenses EVEN if it only means throwing the Democratic party a solid NO 30 years later! Unfortunetly, this man is in denial and will never admit to the harm he committed because he can use his Purple Heart Medal to shout "I am a Hero"...what a joke!

Lepanto1571 8 years, 10 months ago

jonas,

"Patriotman: Have you graduated from KU, or attended at all? I don't recall much in the way of indoctrination at all from any of my multiple years on the hill, and certainly nothing of what you suggest: that you must accept a particular viewpoint in order to pass. What teachers did you find that such was the case? Can you provide any real, non hear-say examples."

I can provide proof.

IT'S YOU JONAS!!!!!!!!! You are the proof!!!!!!!!!!

You are the most liberal, Godless, left-leaning windbag (along with Das Ubermime) on this board. You absorbed liberalism like a sponge at the altar of academia!!!

FISH HEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

Sorry, couldn't help myself ;)

prairiepollyana 8 years, 10 months ago

scenebooster said: When did Kerry ever say "I am a hero"? He served. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Perle, Wolfowitz et. al. did not. If you are able to objective for even a moment, take a look at the video of Kerry's gaff. The intention is obvious. It was an insult to the president, not the troops. Stupid? Yes. Called for? Perhaps...Bush admin. policy is an insult to the troops.

What a short memory you have...he ran on his military record until people questioned it...I have seen that clip many times...it doesn't matter that it was intended to insult the President...the subject matter on education and the ability to learn STILL involved using the military in an insult. I believe that he just gave our enemies a little more incentive and he broke the spirit of a few of our military fighting in Iraq. We, as a Nation, learned that of Vietnam...some of us remember.

jonas 8 years, 10 months ago

Bwahaha. Says you, Mr. rediculous hyper-conservative "Oh my god the islamofascists are going to kill all of us any minute now pray to my god for salvation!" boorish poorish anny banny boo banny Lepanto!!!!

actually, that got kind of silly, didn't it. . .

Good to see from you, at any rate. Adopted any more kids recently?

jonas 8 years, 10 months ago

"I believe that he just gave our enemies a little more incentive and he broke the spirit of a few of our military fighting in Iraq. We, as a Nation, learned that of Vietnam...some of us remember."

I believe, prairiepollyana, that you give John "Animated Corpse" Kerry way too much credit. If one tall, spoiled Massachussetts senator saying something retarded is all it takes to give terrorists incentive (I assume that is who you were referring to with the non-specific term "enemies") and break the spirit of our soldiers, then clearly we have problems far deeper than one yahoo who can't tell a joke right.

prairiepollyana 8 years, 10 months ago

Jonas said: I believe, prairiepollyana, that you give John "Animated Corpse" Kerry way too much credit. If one tall, spoiled Massachussetts senator saying something retarded is all it takes to give terrorists incentive (I assume that is who you were referring to with the non-specific term "enemies") and break the spirit of our soldiers, then clearly we have problems far deeper than one yahoo who can't tell a joke right.

If you didn't live or weren't old enough to remember the damage this man did with his words to congress during the Vietnam conflict then you have no idea what harm he can do...Have you ever heard of Toykeo Rose? Of course that was someone who used words to our soldiers in World War II, so maybe she doesn't count... What about the harm Jane Fonda did to our soldiers? She was good for North Vietnam... Ask anyone who served during that time and see what harm to the moral a few words can do...then ask what incentive it gives to the propaganda media to incite the enemies...you will never convince any military veteran that he was or IS innocent...

drewdun 8 years, 10 months ago

Republicans want to focus on John Kerry and not the failure who is in charge of our government, George W Bush. You're pathetic attempts to distract are not working, and they only serve to confirm two things: 1.) Republicans, at least the hardcore ones that post on here, do not live in reality, nor do they wish to; 2.) all the right-wing and Republican Party have left to run on is pure, unadulterated hate and fear.

Its not going to work this time

drewdun 8 years, 10 months ago

"any military veteran that he was or IS innocent"

You're forgetting, John Kerry is a decorated military veteran, unlike 98% of the Republican cowards that post on here everyday.

Also, you think John Kerry's speech does more harm to our troops then sending them into an insane war, based on false pretenses, and then leaving them there with no plan other than to wait it out until 2009 when W leaves? See point #1 above - Republicans do not live in reality. In fact, they must hate it, judging by their desperate attempts to spin it at all times.

prairiepollyana 8 years, 10 months ago

drewdun said:

You're forgetting, John Kerry is a decorated military veteran, unlike 98% of the Republican cowards that post on here everyday.

Also, you think John Kerry's speech does more harm to our troops then sending them into an insane war, based on false pretenses, and then leaving them there with no plan other than to wait it out until 2009 when W leaves? See point #1 above - Republicans do not live in reality. In fact, they must hate it, judging by their desperate attempts to spin it at all times.

AND your solution is to leave now?? Let's see what the future you are looking at will be like----> NO internet..that might lead to people actually sharing ideas...-----> NO free press....that might lead to people acually sharing ideas....-----> NO free trade....that might lead to people actually sharing ideas...------>NO choice of religion------> that might lead to people actually sharing ideas...NO UNITED STATES OF AMERICA...that might lead people to actually share ideas....

PULL OUT of IRAQ...I think not...at least until our borders are secure...since you have the answer to World Peace...please share..we are not under terroist rules yet...

prairiepollyana 8 years, 10 months ago

drewdun said:

You're forgetting, John Kerry is a decorated military veteran, unlike 98% of the Republican cowards that post on here everyday.

Anyone who serves in the military is automatically given a national defense metal...would that not count toward a "decorated military veteran"? If it does...count me in...

Lepanto1571 8 years, 10 months ago

jonas,

"Good to see from you, at any rate. Adopted any more kids recently?"

Same here my friend. I think we're working on the last one and hopefully will have him adopted by Feb 07. Good little guy.

As for you, weren't you learning chinese or japanese before reader reaction crashed?

Take care.

Oh, as for Kerry, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that it was a "botched joke." Foster Brooks he ain't.

In my best Lloyd Benson imitation:

I knew Foster Brooks... Foster Brooks was a friend of mine... Senator Kerry, you're no Foster Brooks!

Oops, I got my Mass Senators mixed up.

Ah well, Kennedy isn't funny either.

drewdun 8 years, 10 months ago

prairie:

Are you saying all of those things will happen in the US when the Dems win? If so, that assessment is not rooted in reality. In fact, if you really believe that, you might consider professional help.

And if you're talking about Iraq - you think there is actually a free press, free trade, and freedom of religion in Iraq right now?

Seriously, it seems as though you're doing your best to prove that my 'Republicans don't live in reality' assertion is spot on.

PS - here's a list of Kerry's medals

"Kerry served as a Lieutenant in the United States Navy during the Vietnam War from 1966 to 1970. His second tour of duty in Vietnam was four months as commanding officer of a Swift boat. Kerry was awarded several medals during this tour, including the Silver Star, Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts"

Face it, Pubs, this issue is dying fast, if not dead already. All but the most far-right wingnuts acknowledge that Kerry was clearly talking about Bush, and that the Republicans cynically (do they do it any other way?)exploited this non-issue, with very generous help from the media (who proved once again why they are such useful and willing instruments for the Republican Party). See Dick Armey, David Brooks, etc.

In fact, for all of the talk that Kerry's remarks somehow put troops in greater danger (which is patently psychotic), the bottom line is far more troops have been harmed by George W Bush's arrogant attitude and statements, including this gem regarding the insurgents "Bring 'em on!" Jeez, what a hero. What a brave soul. What a real leader. Telling the insurgents to do their worst from the comfort of the Oval Office while our men and women have to pay for his criminal incompetence and hubris. But I guess none of this matters to the wingers - he's on your 'team.' What a joke.

Enjoy your arrogance for four, scratch that, THREE more days, wingers. Its gonna be a long, cold winter for you.

prairiepollyana 8 years, 10 months ago

Drewdum....

Did ANYBODY ever tell you that the military is now volunteer???? or is the Democratic assertion behind Kerry's words that the ALL-VOLUNTEER military is stupid?...do you suppose the military men and women that VOLUNTEER don't know that the war in Iraq is going on and are tricked into service?

Somehow YOUR theory that Bush has put our military into harms way doesn't ring true...this military action has been going on for how many years now and still men and women volunteer? What do they know about being an American that somehow you are missing...it's a mystery for sure...

Go light a candle for Kerry ...anytime the man speaks he truly upsets the American public...pray you find the right canidate for '08...Kerry needs to sail away on his boat....

jonas 8 years, 10 months ago

Lepanto: Studying Japanese and Chinese, now. Started a joint grad program: MBA and MA East Asian Language and Culture. Going well.

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