COLUMBUS, OHIO — When The Columbus Dispatch's respected poll recently reported that Republican Secretary of State Ken Blackwell was trailing Democratic Rep. Ted Strickland by 20 points in the race for governor of Ohio, there was dismay but no shock among his fellow Republicans. Those I interviewed during a recent visit here said they had seen it coming for a long time.
But it is a political earthquake. Democrats have not been able to win a single statewide office in Ohio for most of the past decade - and are completely shut out of power in the capitol at this moment. Strickland has never run a statewide campaign and is trying to break a tradition that has kept any congressman from ever being elected as governor of Ohio. Blackwell has won election in Ohio and led the successful campaign that gave George Bush this state - and the presidency - over John Kerry in 2004.
And yet, when the Dispatch poll came out, the best that Blackwell could say was that his own internal surveys showed him trailing by only 11 points - as if that were a consolation.
What I heard here - and in subsequent interviews at the National Governors Assn. convention in Charleston, S.C. - from one Republican after another signaled serious trouble for the GOP across a broad swath of states from Pennsylvania to Oklahoma in key midterm election contests for House, Senate and governor.
The impression these Republicans had is that support for GOP candidates had nose-dived this summer - in part because of the chaos conveyed by the daily televised scenes of destruction in Iraq and Lebanon and in part because of the dismal reputation built by the Republican Congress that is home to many of the endangered GOP candidates.
It may be that the cease-fire in the Israel-Lebanon war and the shift of focus to the terrorist plot thwarted last week by the British will change the political environment. But Republicans were deeply worried as August began.
I had dinner one night with a group of Ohio Republicans, all with many years of experience in state politics and none directly engaged in this year's gubernatorial race. One of them said, "I'm afraid this could be another 1982,'' a year when recession pushed unemployment to 15 percent and cost the Republicans the governorship. Another said, "I'd settle right now for another 1982. I'm afraid it will be another 1974,'' the year of the Watergate election when Democrats swept everything in sight.
Ohio may be particularly vulnerable because the economy in parts of the state where the auto industry remains vital has been hurt by layoffs, and because a series of scandals have left retiring Gov. Bob Taft with approval ratings in the teens. But similar concerns are voiced across the Midwest.
A leading Minnesota Republican told me that polls there show "the bottom has dropped out'' of Rep. Mark Kennedy's challenge to Hennepin County Atty. Amy Klobuchar, the Democratic candidate for an open Democratic Senate seat. Kennedy has company among the corps of Republican congressmen who thought this would be a good year to move up. In Wisconsin, Rep. Mark Green is lagging slightly behind Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle. In Oklahoma, Rep. Ernest Istook is far worse off in his challenge to Democratic Gov. Brad Henry. And in Iowa, Rep. Jim Nussle, the strong early favorite to capture the open governorship from the Democrats, now finds himself in a real battle with Democrat Chet Culver.
For all of them, service in this Congress has turned out to be a handicap, rather than a benefit, to their chances of advancement. The reason was explained in blunt terms by the Republican governor of one of the states where a congressman of his party is struggling for statewide office. "What has this Congress done that anyone should applaud?'' he asked scornfully. "Nothing on immigration, nothing on health care, nothing on energy - and nothing on the war. They deserve a good kick in the pants, and that's what they're going to get.''
That prediction is supported by the AP-Ipsos poll released last week. It showed a 33 percent job approval score for Bush and a 29 percent job approval score for the Republican Congress. On a test of voter preference for the midterm congressional election, Democrats had a staggering 18-point lead, 55 percent to 37 percent. You can see why Republicans are worried.
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oldgranny (anonymous) says…
Amen. But hold on folks. I bet Bush and friends have a couple more tricks up their sleeve to pull yet before the election. Smear campaigns terror alerts you know...
tell_it_like_it_is (anonymous) says…
I don't know why they would be surprised. They've had the House Senate and White House for years and have managed to do nothing except sh!t in the nest for all those years. People are tired of it.
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laughingatallofu (anonymous) says…
>>>>
Respectfully,
Conservativeman
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Now there's an oxymoron.
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
moneyshot:
Just curious, but what is your opinion of Howard Dean, the Democratic National Committee chairman?
And while you're at it, perhaps you can enlighten us as to your opinion of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York.
Just curious.
BigAl (anonymous) says…
Let's remember how Karl Rove, Bush and his boys, the RNC and others smeared John McCain. Even loudmouthed Rush Limbaugh made fun of McCain, a true American hero. Now that he will probably be the front runner, the RNC and others are mumming up. Double Standard????? Typical.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
The booting doesn't appear to be well-rounded on this forum. Where is the quick wit of bialystocknbloom? He was my hero.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
What's up with the "xenomonica" moniker? Are you still resorting to petty, infantile takes on opposing users' names? How immature.
hottruckinmama (anonymous) says…
tee-hee.
acg (anonymous) says…
laughingatallofu, that was awesome. I, too, find it amusing that conservativeman is all of a sudden a respectful poster who's open to free exchange of ideas when just a week ago anyone that didn't agree was a moonbat or a libtard or any other number of childish insults. Did your partner in crime getting booted teach you a lesson about your mouth, conman? Or is it just because your spine is missing without your mouthpiece to prop you up?
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Not to be condescending or anything, moneyshot, but I'm wondering how old you are. If you don't want to say that's fine but you seem a little inexperienced in terms of politics.
I've been noticing the badmouthing since I started observing these forums at the beginning of the summer.
ksmoderate (anonymous) says…
The DNC seems to be placing their bets on an anti-war platform, hence the dropping of Lieberman. Maybe they are trying to show that they are strong and of one mind in order to sway votes in November. The RNC has done the same in the past, so any finger pointing should be in the mirror on both sides.
Bottom line is that voters should vote for the candidate, regardless of what letter comes after their name (R),(D),(I). Too bad there are too many party line idiots in this country that can't see past red and blue.
And, not being from Lawrence, I'd like to know who Marci Fransisco is as well?
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
acg I'll bet you C-man will turn caveman towards the evening. He usually gets to be the most disrespectful after lunch.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
No I don't like what people call you either, Arminius. I think it takes away from the credibility and integrity of debate (although I've been guilty of name-manipulating as well. I try to avoid it).
Moneyshot I haven't heard of Selma, AL. Welcome to Lawrence, though. I miss living there but love coming to visit. Holygrailale appears to be one of the cornerstones, or pillars of the political clique. I've noticed a few cliques on these boards. The political side consists of almost constant debate with holygrailale, Arminius, conservativeman, meggers, staff04, xenophonschild, and just_another_bozo etc.
It does appear to be a little one-sided but from what I can tell, Arminius and C-man can hold their own.
The other clique is the community users. Marion, mommaeffortx2, those type of people that get in conversations and debates about local events. It doesn't get very heated, if at all, and is fairly moderate. Both cliques share users, many take part in both. I feel like I'm introducing the lunch tables from "Mean Girls."
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
*sigh* Okay I can't repress it anymore. As immature as I think the name-calling is, it's still funny and I do partake in it periodically. But gosh darn it that means we like you!
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Keep in mind, it's not like there's no grounds for how certain people treat you on these boards. Hmm. The mutation came early today :).
And once again, for the record ladies and gentlemen, can I get a drumroll please? Thank you. After thousands of seconds wasted being unproductive at work and because you're all simply DYING to know:
TychoMAN is a MAN.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Moneyshot Republicans have a reason to worry because the people believe they've gotten too extremist and made too many mistakes. It's mainly the constituency wanting a more balanced, bipartisan government. Sorry about your uncle's dementia, my grandfather had it too.
C-man: if you're the wizard, remember he was a hack. Typecast. Good job calling Arminius heartless, by the way.
Did anybody else hear the report on NPR about how L. Frank Baum wrote editorials literally calling for the extermination of the Native Americans? Fascinating report.
hottruckinmama (anonymous) says…
rotflmao!! omg moneyshot!!
Kodiac (anonymous) says…
You know what I think is funny.
LJW boot rightthinker and bialystocknbloom off of their discussion boards and then suddenly we get 2 new frequent posters in moneyshot and tychoman.
Coincidence? Hmmm. Inquiring minds want to know....
ksmoderate (anonymous) says…
I think Tycoman is Bialystock incarnate....and that would be cool if it was true!
hottruckinmama (anonymous) says…
i thinks uncle floyd sounds an awful lot like dear departed rightthinker!! maybe moneyshot is close kin? you know those southerners....they have a lot of kinfolk. he seems to have a heck of a good sense of humor for sure.
hottruckinmama (anonymous) says…
agreed conservativeman. bring 'em back!!
ksmoderate (anonymous) says…
Begging your pardon, C-man, but I'm pretty sure bialystock would puke on himself after reading your last post (although the humor was nice)!
drewdun (anonymous) says…
conman: "spiteful people posting against our great nation."
Posting 'against' Republicans and right-wingers is not 'posting against our great nation.' I know, like most other wingers you put your party ahead of your country, but please, don't conflate the two. It just makes you look even worse than you already do.
That being said, I support bringing rt back. His hate-filled rants about 'liberal atheist socialist far-left anti-American GWB-haters' really brightened a lot of people's days. In fact, you can't buy entertainment like that.
(As an aside, anyone know what they said to get booted?)
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
No one knows for sure why they were booted. But I'm sure he didn't puke on himself after reading C-man's Star Wars post. He definitely had a huge grin on his face knowing he was so well-liked among the posters he most admired.
prioress (anonymous) says…
Marion: "To the detractors of the REAL conservatives and REAL Republicans."
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Where are these people? I still miss Bob and Nancy and would vote for them again. Now those were real Republicans.......conservative; left people alone when they could; stayed out of their private lives, etc. I've voted for lots of R's over the years and long for an opportunity to do so again...... Again, where are these real Republicans......? Can you give me a few names and I'll vote for them if I can.
drewdun (anonymous) says…
""Nancy Boyda is "objectively pro-terrorist","
Yes, she is"
Ahh, KG, you can't still be upset you lost in your moment of glory, by the relatively slim margin of 7100 votes (out of 7200 cast).
ahahahhhahahahahahahahahahahhhah
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Arminius how is Nancy Boyda pro-terrorist?
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Ann Coulter is a man.
BOE (anonymous) says…
The only Republicans who need worry are those who love the current incarnation of their party's leadership, more than they love their country.
To fret about our Mayberry Machiavellian Executive branch being nudged to greater accountability, a Congress with a good deal more oversight than it's had for the last four years, loss of pork barrel pet projects, curtailment of lobbyist written legislation, is to fear what is good for America and for _ almost _ all Americans.
Republicans may lose power, but will have as their consolation prize, a more accountable and better government
A proverbial win-win.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Props, BOE. That was poetry. How many people can use "Machiavellian" in the context of alliteration?
Whatever she is, any derogatory word suitably describes Ann Coulter.
BOE (anonymous) says…
Posted by Tychoman on August 18, 2006 at 3:16 p.m.
Props, BOE. That was poetry. How many people can use "Machiavellian" in the context of alliteration?
===
Wish I could take credit for the phrase, but kudos and props go to the Bush43 1st term official who coined it, as well as its ubiquitousness in the ether.
;)
beatrice (anonymous) says…
The wiretaps have been proven unconstitutional. Let the impeachment begin.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
My god you guys do this every day, every hour, all the time. The same arguments over and over. It's like watching Wimbledon, back and forth and it never ends. True entertainment.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Arminius answer the question. You said that Nancy Boyda is objectively pro-terrorist. Explain your reasoning.
beatrice (anonymous) says…
Arminius: On Judge Taylor: "Her reputation is for being a real by-the-books judge," said Evan H. Caminker, the dean of the University of Michigan Law School.
So, your comments against Taylor have nothing to do with the judge and her record, of which I am absolutely positive you know next to nothing. You are just aping what some Republican spin-myster has asked other Republicans to use as a "talking point." State the party line at all costs, rather than seek to find the truth. Sad. (I'm not saying whether or not Taylor is a good judge. I honestly don't know. I do know what she ruled in this case, which is obviously against invasion of privacy even if done by a President, and with that I agree.)
The quote at top is from the latest story in the New York Times. Go to their homepage to see how Bush is trying to fight the ruling against him and the current administration's invasion of public privacy if you wish to read more. I won't bother posting the link because I figure if someone really wants to read it, they will find it.
Kodiac (anonymous) says…
Arminius,
I went to read that list of "valid reason" of why we removed Saddam and as HGA says this is the last thing on the list...
"5. Controlling Iraq might create alternative bases for U.S. troops in the Middle East, allowing them to leave Saudi Arabia (and thereby meeting at least one of the radical Islamists' demands.)"
"Control Iraq"?????? So that is a "valid reason" to go in and conquer a country so that you can put your armies there huh?
Really Arminius, I do not think even President Bush would be foolish or dumb enough to give that as a "valid reason" to attack a country to remove a dictator.
Kodiac (anonymous) says…
Arminius,
"And Ferguson is far more intelligent than you."
And the "valid reason" for saying that was.....because it makes you feel better? makes you feel superior? make people think less of me?
'If it was not a valid rationale, please explain to us why our troops were removed from bases in Saudi Arabia just one month after the invasion."
So Arminius basically you are saying that it is valid to go in and "control" a country for the purpose of putting your own armies there. I see. Just wanted to clarify your position that is all.
beatrice (anonymous) says…
Arminus: I wasn't making a comment on the judge's decision, I was showing you that there are other accomplished and respected professors of law who feel that Taylor is highly respectable. This was to counter your use of the word "wacko" in your description.
As far as "the concensus" goes, might I ask you to look at blogs that don't all have pictures of Bush's butt with smoochy lip marks on them before you make that call. There are many who agree that invasion of privacy laws can't just be trampled because you sit in the Oval Office.
And of course it was appealed. Bush loves going through the court system whenever he doesn't get exactly what he wants. I mean, it got him in the White House to begin with, didn't it?
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Arminius it's not as simple as "either you're with us or against us."
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Yikes. Red Scare.
Good night, and good luck.
Tychoman.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Arminius why are you talking about yourself in the third person?
yourworstnightmare (anonymous) says…
Do not underestimate the powers of Karl Rove and his acolytes. They are masters at mudslinging and making it stick. Rove is a Machiavellian genius, and I think he could still save the GOP using appeals to greed and fear (e.g. democrats are helping the terrorists and they want to take your money).
The current GOP strategists including Rove live only in the moment. They will say or do whatever is required at that moment to maintain GOP control. They understand that the American memory is short and, if things they say are remembered, are masters of deception, denial, and changing the subject (e.g. elevated terror alerts).
Again and again, they have used outright lies and character assassinations to achieve their political goals. I see no signs that these methods will not continue to work.
yourworstnightmare (anonymous) says…
Wow, what a bunch of egotistical crap being posted on this thread. Conservativeman this, arminius that. Get over yourselves, boys. Just because you have the internet and the ability to type doesnt make you smart, insightful, funny or important. If you want evidence, just reread some of your sophmoric, egotistical, self-referring posts.
Please, if you need to assure yourselves of how wonderful you are, just stare at yourselves in a mirror. That way, others won't be subject to it.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Arminius you've never denied that you were Kevin Groenhagen. Actually you've never given evidence to the contrary of holygrailales calling you Kevin Groenhagen. It's not speculation, it's evidence.
TJ_in_Lawrence (anonymous) says…
Blah blah blah.. Hate Bush, Hate Bush, Hate Bush.
Counseling can work wonders folks. Try it. Your outlook on life might improve and at least the rest of us won't have to listen to your paranoid ramblings.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Small and petty? Whatever! You're the one taking the small and petty route continually referring to people who differ with your opinion as moonbats. Child. Just trying to clear up a rumor on the blog. Obssession with the past? Jeez, swbsow nailed it right on the head: Pot meet kettle.
Kodiac (anonymous) says…
Arminius,
"Take out your frsutrations by doing good for others, not by spewing hate here" - Arminius
Maybe you disagree, but when you call people dolts and moonbats and make derogatory references to a person's intelligence which has nothing to do with the topic at hand, you are "spewing hate" and you come across as a "frustrated" individual. Your attempt to smear people with your namecalling and derogatory remarks make you look desparate, egotistical, small and petty.
I challenge you Arminius to stop using such hateful language and be respectful to other people's opinions even when you disagree with them. IMHO, people would respect you more and actually listen to what you are saying.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
You're misinterpreting that quote. You refuse to look back before Clinton (since you insist on blaming him for every single one of Bush's problems) to see why Clinton made the decisions that you have such a problem with. You say "Bush did this because Clinton did this." Well why did Clinton do this?
"If you have a better word for 'moonbats,' I'll consider using it instead."
Wow. Arminius considering anything. That'll be the day. Knock off the derogatory slang. You are so full of hypocrisy.
roamer (anonymous) says…
New to area, so not sure what is appropriate. But why all the name calling about stated opinions?
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Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Arminius, in nearly all conversations that involve you, xeno and holygrail, you're the first one to bring up names.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Oh like you've never made a crude post that has been removed. Or can you do no wrong? Besides, I said NEARLY all. I looked up towards the top of the thread and because holygrailale's posts were removed doesn't prove that there was namecalling, just a rude or out-of-line post (which you're not lacking on that side either).
It's not my responsibility to police what b.s. you and holygrailale and xeno fling back and forth at each other. At least moron, idiot, and liar are better names than infantile, made-up names like "moonbat" which don't have any insulting value to begin with.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Knock
off
the
moonbats.
This discussion is about namecalling, not twisting arguments and words. And those aren't names that swbsow has (so far rightfully) been directing at you, they're metaphors and common figures of speech.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
And saying that you haven't lost an argument doesn't create the fact. Are you saying that you haven't lost a SINGLE argument or debate on these threads? I find that hard to believe. All I've noticed is that they seem to fizzle out after 5, 6 days at the most and then you start right up from the beginning for another one.
BrianR (anonymous) says…
"Of course, I have yet to lose an argument here, "
You are alone in that assessment.
Kodiac (anonymous) says…
I give up.....
Kontum1972 (anonymous) says…
i have news for all of you...its not bush ..."its cheney", he makes all the foreign policy...bush is "the decider" aka puppet. cheney wants iran, he wants a bombing campaign all air force, if that happens there will a massive jihad in the muslim world.....neo-cons is another word for zionists the world will be on fire. you think the price of oil is high now.. if they carry out their campaign for iran, oil will be $400. a barrel we will be stopped dead in our tracks. the iranians will see to that, they know our weakness. bin laden is sitting in his cave laughing at us, we will fall on our own sword.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Arminius stop the namecalling.
John Kerry effete? More "moonbat" talk? knock it off!
It just reduces even more your arguments and what little credibility you have on these boards.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
You are so condescending and patronizing. I thought that was Cman's job. And like I said, Arminius, it's not up to me to police the actions of HGA or xeno. And also like I said, you use the namecalling tactic more than anybody and usually start it. Stop being hypocritical.
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
For the record, Kevin has "lost" a number of discussions here, some rather badly.
holygrailale eviscerates him on a fairly regular basis, and recently, when he posted that "Sudan offered Osama bin Laden to the U.S. on a silver platter," I forced Kevin to admit that such was merely his "opinion."
But Kevin is an able supporter of his particular vantage point in the political arena, and we all should encourage him to continue to expound his beliefs.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Arminius, you ARE a sage political pundit?
Conservativeman, grail doesn't use derogatory or infantile names (I don't know if anyone actually takes offense to "moonbat" because it's such a stupid word to begin with) in nearly every single one of her posts. Seldom does a post go by that I don't see an immature twist on someone's name or "moonbat" "libtard" or whatnot.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
I don't see any names that were uncalled for. :-P
Okay, you want to change the subject? Here's my opinion: Republicans have reason to worry because they've done a crappy job at running the country. There. That's my relevant post.
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
Good manners require that I not respond to unwarranted personal attacks, so I shall not.
John Kerry volunteered for military service; served honorably as an officer in a combat zone; was awarded medals for heroism by superior officers, and, reportedly, saved the life of one of his crewmen.
It could be construed as unseemly for anyone, particularly other military men who served in the same unit with Kerry, to dispute the judgement of their superior officers who awarded medals and citations to Kerry for valor.
If I'm not mistaken, this all occurred while a certain Texas Air National Guard lieutenant was on unspecified leave status, guzzling liquor in an Alabama hotel.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Cheers, xeno.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
*laughs hysterically* Arminius I can't help but laugh at loud at: "Bush fulfilled his obligations in the TANG."
Go ahead, tell me to grow up but either way it's still funny. *continues laughing hysterically*
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
As a music major, I've not only listened to the Firebird Suite (college) but I've played it too (high school). Stravinsky is awesome. But not as great as that commie, homosexual Tchaikovsky. Holy crap! Besides, you can't hug a tree with nuclear arms. BAhahaha.
I wasn't laughing at whatever bar tab Bush may still have down in Y'allabama, just at the double entendre Arminius inadvertently made about Bush serving his duty in the TANG....maybe it's just me :)
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Hester are you kidding?
whistlestop75 (anonymous) says…
Little Iran...Holygrailale...
Here we are on this site defending the "Mr. John Throw Away My Medals Because I Am Ashamed Of What I Did In Vietnam Kerry" again?...Mr. War Hero that testified to Congress about how horrible the men in Vietnam were and the crimes that were committed by our soldiers? Are you still citing his wonderful war record that he went on live tv and told the world he was ashamed of while his fellow countrymen were STILL fighting in Vietnam?...get a clue...this man will never be president....the public voted for the National Guardsman... remember?...
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
Perhaps the families of the 2600 dead in Iraq - and the families of the 13,000 seriously wounded - wish someone else had been elected.
John Kerry served honorably, got out of the military, and criticized the conduct of the war - which was his right, some might even contend his duty.
Bush did not serve honorably. The National Guard, seen then by many as the most respectable way to avoid Vietnam, had a huge waiting list - a year and a half in Texas, over 100,000 men nationwide. Yet, 12 days away from losing his student draft deferment, the senior Bush pulled strings and got Junior admitted to the Guard the same day he applied, regardless of any waiting list.
Eight weeks after joining the Guard, Bush was granted two (2) months leave to go to Florida and work on a political campaign, the senate race of Republican Ed Gurney.
As soon as Bush completed basic training, his commander approved him for a "direct appointment," which made him an officer without having to go through the usual (and difficult) Officer Candidate School. Tom Hail, a historian for the Texas Air National Guard, said when asked about Bush's direct appointment without special skills: "I've never heard of that. Generally they did that for doctors only, mostly because we needed extra flight surgeons."
Holygrailale has adequately covered Bush's career as a dilettante and imbiber in Alabama hotels, and his loss of flight status inre his refusal to submit to drug testing.
He did not serve honorably, and for his minions to attack someone who did should be regarded as offensive and deeply repugnant.
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
Kevin:
BTW, unlike your president, I actually graduated from an Officer-Candidate School (Marine Corp PLC, Quantico VA).
From your posts, I understand you were an EM; seemingly, you were some sort of rear-echelon . . . what? weather reporting assistant? You handed crayons and marking pens to whoever was briefing, making sure he had hot coffee?
whistlestop75 (anonymous) says…
xenophonschild posted:
John Kerry served honorably, got out of the military, and criticized the conduct of the war - which was his right, some might even contend his duty.
BTW, unlike your president, I actually graduated from an Officer-Candidate School (Marine Corp PLC, Quantico VA).
As a product of the Marine Corps you should remember the code of the Corps...and there is not a marine alive who lived the code that would support your statement of John Kerry...NEVER put your fellow countryman in danger...NEVER aid the enemey...he did both with the televised statements to congress...Semper Fi...do you have a clue what it means?
carolannfugate (anonymous) says…
(Marine Corp PLC, Quantico va).?
recon right?
vanman (anonymous) says…
worry, you conservatives, worry
prioress (anonymous) says…
"How hard can it be for everybody to refrain from the name-calling?"
+++++
Apparently, 'name-calling' is par for the course in this Junior High School locker room. Discussion of the actual articles published in the JLW is, it seems to me, not a high priority.
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
kevin & whistlestop:
John Kerry served honorably, which your president did not. The crewman whose life he saved in combat doubtless has a much different interpretation of Kerry's service than you.
I disagree with Kerry's decision to meet with the North Vietnamese; however, such meeting probably did not rise to the level of "negotiation" inferred in a recent post.
With any luck, we can get Hillary/Richardson elected in '08. If not, John McCain will be a suitable substitute, for he bears no love for those who insulted his family and disparaged his character.
Truly, Republicans have reason to worry.
whistlestop75 (anonymous) says…
xenophonschild said:
John Kerry served honorably, which your president did not. The crewman whose life he saved in combat doubtless has a much different interpretation of Kerry's service than you.
Dream on Xeno's child...at least we knew we voted for a part-timer...a National Guardsman...and not one who yelled what a "Decorated War Hero" he was...he chose to forget that he aided the enemy and threw those medals away...if he was the right choice I guess we might be flying a different flag today 5 years after 9/11... admit it...the democrats tried to pull the wool over the eyes of the American public...no one wants someone who has a history of collaborating with the enemy regardless of what war it is.
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
whistlestop:
Good post. Now you have some idea of the animus I held for Ronald Reagan, for his traitorous duplicity inre Iran. Of course, he was a Republican, a conservate icon no less, so perhaps his treason was excusable.
whistlestop75 (anonymous) says…
xeno...
There was speculation at the Iran-Contra hearings that something was wrong with his memory because he couldn't concentrate on answering the questions...Alzheimer's can take a course of 20 years...was he guilty... probably yes...did he lie...probably not...he had a very sad disease...with a truly sad outcome...
Agnostick (anonymous) says…
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Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Oh my god did Arminius get bounced? And why is Hunt still here?
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
whistle:
I rejoiced at his death. I hated the man that much. There will always be conjecture inre the state of his mental faculties, but he represented the absolute worst in America in terms of cloaking fascism in popular, non-threatening terms. He was a monster. Some find it particularly fitting that his brain rotted in his head . . . while he was still alive.
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Tychoman (anonymous) says…
LOL. He'll be back.
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
Con-man:
Your transparent attempt to get my colleague holygrailale bounced from this forum is both transparent and futile. The lady is a boon to this site; a voice of reason and erudition that stands steadfastly against the corrosion and contumely that is conservative Republican drivel.
Cease your invective, and learn to post properly . . . or suffer the fate of your unlamented cohorts in invective: rightthinker and Arminius.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Then by all means, GO!
Your posting name is revolting, disgusting and offensive!
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Source or go away.
Preferably GO AWAY.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
That is the biggest load of absolute BS I've read on this forum.
of course you made it up!
"Conservativeman is a great enemy of the people's party etc"
Cman if you think anybody on these boards takes you seriously, let alone as a threat, you need a reality check.
Conservative does not equal pro-American.
whistlestop75 (anonymous) says…
Conservativeman...
As a proud "Super Patriot" that I was called last night on this forum, by Holygrailale, I will raise the Red, White and Blue to the support of Freedom and Liberty, and defend that right. I would suggest...keeping freedom of speech in mind, that the patriotic bloggers just keep questioning WHY they are trying to brainwash people into believing what they are all about...the defeat of this country with twisted words and incomplete data....
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Cman you sound like a paranoid person from the Cold War during the Red Scare.
Idiot.
Go away MHunt, good riddance Arminius,
Tychoman
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Yes. Yes you did! There is no Communist Party in the United States. You are so full of it.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Dolts, the both of you.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Sorry all I hear is "Blah blah blah I'm a filthy troll."
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
A valid question is, why - historically - do fascists immediately label all who disagree with them as communists?
Franco did so in Spain, and murdered tens of thousands while pursuing his vision of a Spanish Reich.
Mussolini did essentially the same in Italy, licking Hitler's boots in a vain attempt to reimpose the Roman imperium.
But why do American fascists - who pine for a total centralization of authority under a father figure/dictator; stringent socioeconomic controls that ensure only they and those like them reap any profit; suppression of any opposition through terror and censorship, and a domestic/foreign policy of bellicose nationalism and racism - routinely attack anyone who defends traditional American liberties and rights as communists?
I'd really like to know.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Cman you hypocrite you namecall more than anybody on this board. Stop stinking up these boards with your revolting BS.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
What pompous windbags you two are.
C-man, what the hell is that towel remark supposed to connotate?
You NEVER namecall "when under attack." You attack AND namecall!
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
American fascists - who sometimes label themselves "libertarian" - resolutely deny their predilictions toward dictatorship (Ronald Reagan was their icon), and routinely seek to deny rights and liberties to other Americans they "disapprove" of.
They are evil monsters, and hide behind the cloak of respectable Republicanism. But be not fooled; they are the enemy. If you stand for individual rights with individual responsibilities, and for limited but effective government, and are attacked as a "communist," then see your enemy for who and what he is.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Hey Cman I tracked down your exact location using Google Earth and 47 cases of Ensure are now on their way to your house. Just to save you a couple of trips to Costco so that you don't hurt your back or break a hip.
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
BTW, a fundamental plank of the Democratic platform is and will continue to be fiscal responsibility.
You should note that it was under a Democratic administration that the federal budget was last balanced, and a federal budget surplus was achieved.
You should also note that the operating fiscal policy of "pay-as-you-go" was a Democratic nuance that was directly responsible for the balanced budget - and that, as soon as he took office, George Bush removed "pay-as-you-go" as the guiding policy in government spending.
It has been noted that some who post on this site allude to "socialist dictatorship" and related tripe in the event a fiscally-conservative Democrat is elected in '08.
Be advised: no reasonable, intelligent person can, or should, confuse a spendthrift who ruins our economy and international fiscal standing with a fiscally-responsible Democrat who will immediately re-instate "pay-as-you-go" as soon as she is inaugerated.
BTW, socialist dictators are rarely thought of as fiscally responsible.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Context context context.
Careful all this inane ranting is bad for the veins. You wouldn't want to pop a blood vessel or something.
The towel remarks still fall on indifferent ears.
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
Fascists truly consider only their rights and privileges - one clear reason why they are fascists is that they so readily ignore the rights and privileges of others, particularly those who disagree with them.
They begin by calling them "communists," and wait for an opportunity to do worse.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Republicans truly consider only their rights and privileges - one clear reason why they are fascists is that they so readily ignore the rights and privileges of others, particularly those who disagree with them.
Happy now? God you people need it spelled out for you.
MikeHunt better leave the forum because his name is disgusting,
Tychoman
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
I don't have to like Bush to love my country. It's people like you that make it embarrassing to say "Yes, I am an American. Sorry about that."
It's people like you, Newman, full of your pompous BS about how only the GOP can like the U.S. and what it stands for, that make it so difficult to get through the day.
Liberals don't need counseling. The only socialist tyranny is in your head with all those voices whizzing around at once. I understand how it would be hard to concentrate, what with creating a liberal agenda in your head and all. Especially when there isn't one to begin with.
Now please, go away.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Do you know how I can tell you're faking this "traumatized" crap? You insist and imply that the only way to have pride in your country is to be Republican. That kind of exclusion absolutely disgusts me. No one's traumatized you. You DON'T feel victimized. You sit behind your computer typing away in glee because you're getting a rise out of us.
Voicing your opinion that liberals need counseling and the only true Americans are Republicans (apparently anyone who ISN'T one is a Communist and we all know how terrible that is) is incredibly offensive.
Please, go away. Jeez you make the GOP sound like a freaking cult. Which it just might be. Booster's right, your past actions prove that you deserve no such treatment that you're now begging for.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Cman there is such hypocrisy in your posts you have no room to talk. You probably shouldn't even still be here at all after that stupid Communist tirade you went on last night.
If you two want to go talk about GOP crap and rant about how the only way to be truly American is to be Republican, go to another forum. Please.
Agnostick (anonymous) says…
Apologies for my comment from yesterday, if it offended anyone. Seems my post was "retroactively deleted" by LJW staff.
I'll try to walk a more honorable line in the future... :)
Agnostick
agnostick@excite.com
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Goatees are SO awesome.
Agnostick (anonymous) says…
Since we're all about staying on topic and all that...
Has anybody signed up for the "free" grocery coupons through this web site? How does it compare to CoolSavings.com?
Agnostick
agnostick@excite.com
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
Why do fascists so readily, so quickly, leap to label as "communist" any who see them for the vile monsters they are?
Fascists long for rule by dictator (Reagan, Bush); stringent economic controls that deny opportunity to all but fascists and their ilk ("Kenny-Boy" Lay, Abramoff); suppression of opposition through terror and censorship (Ken Starr, the Republican National Committee, Tom (The Hammer) DeLay) and a bellicose domestic/foreign policy that is two parts nationalism for one part brash ignorance.
Fascists are the enemy. They are unAmerican; they hide under the aegis of the Republicans, but secretly feel Republicans (Kassebaum, Dole) are too moderate.
Fascists are the enemy. They are evil. They must be resisted; for now, through the advancement of the Democratic party, candidates, and agenda.
Hillary in '08.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
observer, Hellman is rightthinker incarnate. But you got the clone and gutless part right.
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
observer:
Ouch!
It may be that my beautiful colleague holygrailale is correct; the only positive way to respond to con-man is to ignore him.
Kodiac (anonymous) says…
C-man,
You might want to give credit to those who wrote your August 23, 2006 at 9:16 p.m. post. Kind of curious how it resembles this website....
http://communistsforkerry.com/GPU/vie...
After we wouldn't want to call you a plagarist would we.
Tsk Tsk Tsk. More name calling.....
Kodiac (anonymous) says…
Forgot to add
Respectfully
Kodiac
Ps my apologies....
Kodiac (anonymous) says…
LOL
Man you really got me there didn't you buddy.
Good golly miss molly. Can't read can I Tsk Tsk Tsk
More name calling huh or was that a typo
Well going to have to retract my plagarist statement won't I
My apologies once again Mr. Conservativeman.
I hope you do get a good night's sleep.
Respectfully
Kodiac
Kodiac (anonymous) says…
Ah Mr. Conservativeman,
Calling me an idiot huh. Well I guess nothing changes do they. Kind of weird you are calling people names in Russian now. You might want to be careful there though. I am pretty sure LJW has someone on their staff that knows Russian. After all, we wouldn't want to lose you Mr Conservativeman would we.
Respectfully
Kodiac
Kodiac (anonymous) says…
Forgot to add good night as well.
My apologies.
Kodiac (anonymous) says…
HGA,
Now that is hilarious. I guess it isn't too weird when you look at it that way. It would seem that Mr. Conservativeman is trying to cover his own shortcomings by reverting to a different language.
Kind of reminds me of my Indian friend that would resort to calling attention to inanimate objects in the room to avoid talking about a mistake when he was confronted by the supervisor. I tried in vain to convince him that it was best just to admit making a mistake. But then he say, maybe I should start talking in a different language so I won't be that obvious. He was always cracking me up...
Kodiac (anonymous) says…
Oh and I do think the republicans should be worrying. Trying my best to bring it back to the topic....
prioress (anonymous) says…
Sorry, I doubt most folks "hate" BushCo." They just don't agree with the direction the country is moving. While I admit some of the commentary here and around the country is rabid, and at times, silly, the Left is too disorganized to try and do to BushCo what was done to Clinton. I have yet to see a "Where is Lee Harvey Oswald When You Need HIm" bumper sticker. These were sold by some of the right wing groups in the 1990's.
ksmoderate (anonymous) says…
The only whining I see on this post is coming from the conservatives (read: Lunatic Fringe).
ksmoderate (anonymous) says…
No chuckling here; it's not funny. I'll take debate, I suppose, but debating with the lunatic fringe is like
p!ssing into the wind.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Newman why did you use that quote by Jeff Gannon? It doesn't appear to prove whatever point it was you're trying to make.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Oh my God......he's gone! he's gone he's gone he's gone!
Ceeeeeeeeeelebrate good times, COME ON!
prospector (anonymous) says…
Adios C-man
I'm sure we will smell you later.
Kodiac (anonymous) says…
Oh good grief,
Another conservative gone. I don't know. This is starting to feel a little strange to me. I mean don't get me wrong, I am all for good discussions and not doing the namecalling but heck this is just a bit lopsided here. What is the deal? These guys have been around for long period of times and they certainly haven't acted any differently now then they did before. Did LJW get a new bouncer or something? What gives LJW?
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Lay off, Newman.
Kodiac Cman was a troll. Each and every day he got more and more belligerent and hypocritical in his posts. It was impossible to have a debate with him anymore. Some conservatives are nice to debate with, but not with nutcases like him who were way beyond the lunatic fringe and wanted nothing more than to make our lives miserable.
It's not that LJW got a new bouncer, it's that they finally started cracking down.
ksmoderate (anonymous) says…
I'm with you scenebooster. The recent purges on these forums seem a bit overreactionary. After all, this is just the written word. It's not like we're in the same room together with a pile of AK-47s on the table.
Kodiac (anonymous) says…
Ok Tycho and HGA,
I can agree with all of that. I think I am just lamenting the loss of the far right conservative voice here. Maybe we never really had it here. I know there was alot of twisting of meanings and creative word usage and things like that and hopefully this increased awareness by LJW will help turn these type of discussions into more thought provoking and fruitful analysis. Most of the time, I do disagree with the more conservative factions but I do find some value in hearing what they have to say if only to just hear a different point of view. Sometimes (albeit rarely) I have found myself agreeing with conservatives on some concept or some idea. Hopefully this will not scare off other conservatives and get more of an enlightened discussion on different issues.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Fantastic. Can we get that on paper and signed in blood? :)
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Oh great yet another person whining about "liberal meida bias" when there isn't one.
And, Kaliwa, a liberal poster WAS banned for less of an offense. So if you and your kind would stop complaining about the nonexistent liberal media bias, that would be fabulous. The LJW hasn't exhibited a bias against conservative posters. It's not the LJW's fault that the most inflammatory, offensive and hypocritical posters happen to have been of the far-right wing. I have noticed a trend of offensiveness on these panels and by far, the honor of most offenses goes to the right wing--although the battle does get rather close sometimes.
(By the way, everyone, my 6:24 post was referring to Hman's post.)
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Racer, you're right. I did let myself get out of control in terms of my contempt for conservativeman and I am extremely grateful and frankly flattered that he lobbied for the return of the users banned last week. It's good to make fun of the system and it's also good to see a conservative-leaning satirist in addition to the others who knows how to push people's buttons and get under their skin. But my god it sometimes gets really old being called bad for America, communist, un-American, pro-terrorist person. I admit that I crossed the line a few times and it would get great if someone could admit that rightthinker and conservativeman also crossed the line, at least occasionally. I often laughed out loud at some of the jokes he made, most notably:
liberals: Let's solve this peacefully!
Hezbollah: *rockets*
In addition, bringing up a user's dead brother (which I admit I haven't seen but I'll take your word for it because I don't want to dig through 29394827 pages) is reprehensible and I don't condone everything that she or other users have done. Also I never knew of xenophonschild being banned and getting back on.
cman and rightthinker (or right_thinker) if/when you guys are back (duh right_thinker is back I know) please conduct yourselves with more reverence, dignity and humility in the future. I admit getting out of line on occasion but *sigh* I really also hate to admit that it might have been rash to boot you guys so soon, even though the communist tirade was really uncalled for.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Also Kaliwa I still don't agree with the liberal bias. It's just not apparent. The LJWorld prints columns and comics that they survey every reader with every couple of years to see what they want to read. And have you not noticed how the conservative columnists are the ones that stir up the most debate?
Just because Douglas County has more registered Republicans than LJWorld has more registered Democrats doesn't (and shouldn't) affect what the newspaper prints.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Pax?
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
To make matters worse the powers-that-be (on both sides of the aisle) don't make it any easier for us to get along, compromise, or decide which is the best course of action. I'm tired of being only a % to one person or a dissenter to another or naive to both.
Thinker I officially welcome you back to the panel. I hope this is a huge honor (because let's face it, you making it back onto this little Midwestern newspaper's website is what's going to make BOTH of our days hahaha) and I am honored that you're honored. Which means that you better be honored that I'm honored that you're honored, so on and so forth.
By the way, your mother was a hamster. :P
Too soon?
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Okay I'll say it again:
The Journal-World publishes what its subscribers VOTE on. The JW isn't liberally biased, its readers are. Don't bash the newspaper for what its readers legitimately vote on.
Besides, technically President Bush IS the Occupant of the White House. Also, feel free to subscribe to conservative comic strips and columnists of your own.
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whistlestop75 (anonymous) says…
Holygrailale said:
Oh, the Republicans are scared without merde.
Note the entrance of an elected Republican (whistlestop75), who is here to vent his anxiety and/or see how the old Party line is flying these days without fear of being associated with it.
Like putting on a disguise and walking around the marketplace to see how the common folk feel about the King.
I'm quite certain that he does not like what he's hearing.
In answer:
It is interesting to see how people are viewing politics...sometimes you get to hear how they really feel...I could lurke on this site and never participate...or I could debate...and please...just as I don't really believe you are a liberal at heart I am not conservative...I am moderate...
libertarianman (anonymous) says…
Conservativeman,
Email us back!
KU Chapter (Gamma Sigma Alpha)
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Kaliwa, the columns and comics that are put up for a vote are the most popular suggestions given to it by readers. Sorry but I don't have the last ballot information right now. It's not like Cal Thomas hasn't done his fair share of being dishonest or reactionary. Also there's nothing wrong with being dissatisfied with how the country's been run with Bush in office. If enough readers complain about Keillor's (hilarious and not unfounded) columns the JW will rescind it I'm sure. Until then, you're one voice out of thousands. That's democracy for you.
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
Does this "Kaliwa" resemble the late-departed Arminius, by any chance?
Same grammar, diction, sentence structure . . . and right-wing political ideology.
Hmm.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
*jaws theme* Clin-ton...Clin-ton...Clin-ton LOL.
Anyway, Kaliwa this tinderbox has been brewing for thousands of years. Yes everyone saw it coming so no one can deny it. And it's not like this tinderbox grew by itself. The whole world needs to take responsibility for this.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Now that sounds more like Arminius :)
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
Que? Begged what?
Kaliwa, are you Arminius under another name?
Stand and deliver.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Calling people that are for same-sex marriage "insurgents" in a culture war. Comparing homosexuals to polygamists and claiming that homosexuals are deliberately trying to destroy the "glue" of traditional marriage that is apparently the only vital thing holding a civilization together. 6/9/06. That is CRAP.
And comparing certain members of the Democratic Party to the Taliban. Disgusting and reactionary. You want more?
You never questioned his legitimacy as president. You know why? Because he was fairly elected! He was the clear winner! Bush's contests were very tight and the 2000 election still has a fishy smell to it. Wow you must be Arminius. Where's swbsow when you need her?
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
"Never questioned his legitimacy as president"
Hmm. I must've missed that . . . in the clamor of vituperation and lies Republicans raised even before he was inaugerated.
Once Richard Mellon Scaife paid his millions to the yellow journalists and the religious right to attack Clinton, starting a feeding frenzy of vicious stupidity - that included postings in Arkansas strip malls and trailer parks for any woman who had ever been sexually accosted by the then-president to call a toll-free number - that reached a high point when Newt Gingrich began his tirade and the Republicans took over Congress in 1994.
From that day on, all we hear from Republicans is relentless, nonproductive Democrat bashing, with special emphasis on dehumanizing and ridiculing William the Great, and now Hillary.
Does anyone remember the $70 million in taxpayer money the Republican Congress wasted investigating the Clintons? When the "investigation" finally limped to a close, without anything to smear the Clintons, did any Republican apologize to the President and his family, and the taxpayers whose money they wasted, for their mindless vitroil?
The pity is Republicans have to be tolerated in the electoral process. But not in November. The end for these mindless, yammering failures is finally in sight.
I wonder, with their control of Congress gone, and even their own ranks running away from the idiot Bush in droves, who will the Republicans seize on demonize? Hillary?
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
right_thinker:
I never liked you, and don't now. I never begged Cox for anything. I had concerns about comments relating to "mass murderers" and your ideological brethren contacting law enforcement. It has happened before.
I won't discuss this again.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
*sigh* Hello Arminius. Where was he dishonest? comparing homosexuals to polygamists. claiming that gay people want to destroy marriage and therefore civilization. calling some democrats 'taliban.'
Lies.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Ugh not this again. Exact quotes, links, etc. Look up the links themselves I gave you the date. I put them in uppercase because you said you didn't see the lies so I made them more prominent for you. You're welcome.
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
Kaliwa (aka Arminius):
Perhaps you can enlighten us as to when the "investigation" inre the Clinton's ended, and with what result?
"Clinton's illegal campaign fundraising in 1996"? Surely not. Have anything to back us this assertion, or is it merely another of your "opinions"?
libertarianman (anonymous) says…
Without Conservativeman this place stinks!
I'm outta here, you blowhard old farts can argue the same garbage everyday but the Cman made it funny. You left and right, up and down people need to get a life. You guys picked on an old man. He was grouchy funny and cool. I can't write what I think because your censors will take it off. Conservativeman, your welcome at our house anytime.
Communist letters intercepted,,I don't care who you are, thats funny. We even talk about him in class, about 25percent read the online edition, you have to love and hate the guy at the same time. Even our TA thinks hes funny, and that guy is a "libtard".
Shame on all of you for picking on an old man. He's a mascot for Lawrence. This town has all the other eccentrics, Cman was the funny one. He's probably at a bar all alone, you guys should be ashamed.
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
Tychoman:
Good post. Thomas is a knee-jerk conservative reactionary; he probably thinks FDR was a socialist . . . or worse.
And he issues baseless insults and lies against Democrats every chance he gets.
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
What are the corollaries between "libertarians" and fascists?
There are no true libertarians left. There can't be, unless they are the Amish, or a few Mennonites out in western Kansas who grow all their own food, use horses, and no electricity. We in the real world are all interconnected in ways that make the standard definition of "libertarian" obsolete.
But fascists love to portray themselves as libertarians. Be not fooled. They are evil, and they are the enemy.
I nurture animus toward conservativeman and do not grieve at his exclusion from this site.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Wrong column. "Those who would melt the glue of marriage, which has held societies together for millennia, are using the legal and political system for their own ends. In every state where same-sex marriage has been on the ballot, it has been decisively defeated. But like the war in Iraq, the "insurgents" in the culture wars believe all they must do is hang on long enough and the majority will surrender because protracted warfare interferes with our pursuit of pleasure and material consumption."
Journal World 6/9/06. THERE. Jeez I really need to spell it out for you.
"If same-sex "marriage" is allowed, no one will ever be able to say "no" to anything again." Same column.
I'd say welcome back, Arminius, but you never contributed anything worthwhile to the forum. Pity you're back.
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
"Kaliwa":
Same old Arminius. Post "sources" that are nothing but right-wing fringe rags. Judicial Watch? I prep their stuff before its printed; they are, at best, a hate rag against Hillary Clinton. BTW, did the "No one above the law" print anything against Tom DeLay? Didn't think so.
You then compounded your error by citing another right-wing blog, a David Horowitz piece no less (who I also edit) which does nothing but rant about Clinton and the Chinese . . . with not a shred of substance or proof.
You did have the decency to put wikipedia first but, as usual, you failed to note the report of the U.S. Senate Investigation of Illegal or Improper Activity in Connection with 1996 Federal Election Campaigns, to wit: "While a number of convictions came against long-time Clinton-Gore friends and political appointees," no action was recommended or taken against William the Great or Gore.
Much as no action was ever taken against Reagan while hundreds - that's right, hundreds - of officials in his administration were indicted and/or convicted of various crimes and misdemeanors.
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
holygrailale:
Good to hear from you again. Am looking forward to blood and intestines splattering on the usual victim's keyboard again; he truly is a glutton for punishment.
Be merciless.
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
"Judicial Watch is a non-partisan educational foundation"
You have posted some jaw-dropping nonsense on this site, but this takes the cake. You may believe their propaganda, but please don't try to pass it off to unsuspecting others as truth.
"Hillary Watch" anyone?
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Okay fine if you need it beaten into your head again: Homosexuals are not attacking traditional marriage, they only want the same legal benefits as a regular couple.
I don't see why people like you insist on comparing gay marriage to polygamy. Polygamy is purely based on religion. No, I don't think someone should be able to take multiple wives (or multiple husbands to balance it out) in a legal sense, but if it's part of their religion, big deal.
Agnostick (anonymous) says…
scenebooster ponders:
"I personally don't think conservativeman should have been removed. As anyone who follows the threads would know, I disagree with the c-man on 110% of everything, but really, folks, unless he threatened someone, what did he do to be removed?"
=========================================
Doesn't matter to you, me, or any of the other posters what c-man did to be removed. After all, we're not paying for this site... we're not paying for the bandwidth... we're not paying for the servers to house all our little rantings and ravings... and we're not paying the salaries of the tech folks that keep all the parts whirring and spinning.
This forum is a private business, plain and simple.
"we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"
There ya have it.
We're guests at a party, scenebooster. If we misbehave, our hosts will ask us to behave. If we don't behave, we'll be shown the door.
If we don't like it here, of course, we're more than welcome to go start our own message forum or blog or whatever. *THAT'S* a Constitutionally-protected right, after all! ;)
Agnostick
agnostick@excite.com
Agnostick (anonymous) says…
Kaliwa whines:
"The J-W's liberal bias is clear. Where's the conservative counterpart to Doonesbury? Where's the conservative counterpart to Mike Luckovich and his cartoons? Where's the conservative counterpart to Dan Wright and his cartoons? Where's the conservative counterpart to Garrison Keillor. The J-W runs the columns of just two conservatives (i.e., George Will and Cal Thomas) on a regular basis...
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Kaliwa, do I need to call 911 for you? Shall I notify the authorities that somebody is holding a loaded gun to your head, forcing you to post on a web forum that you're clearly unhappy with, while you write check after check after check after check to subscribe to a newspaper that you're clearly unhappy with??
for god's sake, man, let us help you out of your life-threatening dilemma!!
No I guess not... 'cause you're still whining...
"One thing the J-W needs to be reminded of: While it is true that liberals outnumber conservatives in Lawrence, it is also true that there are more registered Republicans in Douglas County than the J-W has paid subscribers. That latter figure has been stuck around 19,000 since 1980."
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Well, if that last one is really true, then why don't you and all your other registered Republicans go out and start a newspaper of your very own? Hey, they got the "Metro News" over in Topeka, along with the "Capitol-Journal." Manhattan has the "Mercury" and the "Free Press."
You already have your own little crackpot web site. Why not download some free forum software and get your own forum going? Then you can moan and groan about Clinton all you want.
Maybe you should stand up for what you believe in.
'Course... people without a spine have a hard time standing up for *anything*...
Agnostick
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Kodiac (anonymous) says…
Ah...back to the good old days...
Arminius = Kaliwa
Rightthinker = money**** = MikeHunt = HelloNewman = Right_thinker (whew hard to keep up with ya Right)
Mr. Conservativeman = Racer_X
Glad to see you all back onboard and as Mr. Powers says..."Oh be-haaave"
I did have to laugh at "no I didn't get banned...must be a forum glitch. "
I would say that is a pretty selective forum glitch there...
ksmoderate (anonymous) says…
Sorry, Kaliwa, I have to jump in.
""I don't see why people like you insist on comparing gay marriage to polygamy. " That's a dishonest statement."
--How is that dishonest? I watched Slippery Sammy Brownback make that argument on the floor of the U.S. Senate.
"Polygamy is purely based on religion." That's a false statement. Not all polygamy is based on religion."
--Elaborate, please. What other polygamy is not based on religion?
Agnostick (anonymous) says…
About as relevant as a Klan rally...
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articl...
Agnostick
agnostick@excite.com
ksmoderate (anonymous) says…
Kaliwa,
As usual, Krauthammer is just about as even-keeled as Kristol or O'Reilly.
Now, can you answer my questions, please?
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
agnostick:
Your 9:26 post was excellent.
It may be that the reason conservative Republicans crave to interact with us is that they, secretly, want to be normal Americans again.
There was a time when you could actually have genuine, honest debates with Republicans, times when they acted like human beings, like regular citizens - a time when they did not mindlessly bash Democrats as being worse than terrorists on the TV news.
Maybe some of them are - quietly - beginning to see the truth. Their adoration and protection of George Bush, no matter how offensive his policies, has not prevented the Chief Cowboy Idiot from disregarding the Constitution and the rule of law, running up a nine-trillion dollar national debt, getting us mired in an illegal, unnecessary war in Iraq, spying on American citizens, and insulting and belittling - and groping - our allies around the world.
Maybe it's the huge extension of the power and scope of the federal government - the antithesis of traditional Republicanism - that is causing the trogs to want to share their thoughts and reservations with us.
Who knows? All we can do is put out the welcome mat and do our best to elucidate why Democratic positions and strategies are the best to meet the challenges of both the present and future.
Kodiac (anonymous) says…
Michael: You know, I invented marriage
Pansy Milbank: Oh really?
Michael: Yep. All these people were milling around, trying to get together, everything was in chaos so I told 'em, "Have a ceremony".
Maybe we should ask Michael about polygamy....;-p
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
Kevin:
The reality that there are always greater and lesser persons than yourself is a reality evidently . . . hidden . . . from your consciousness.
However, I will continue to do my best for you.
ksmoderate (anonymous) says…
Kaliwa,
I re-read the article. And while your plain statement that polygamists do not have to be religious is true, the point is made that they don't HAVE to be religious. But are there any people like that?
The article names Mormons, Africans (only the "primitive" ones), and some Arabs. I don't know, so I wonder if all of those folks named view polygamy as a God-given right and mandate (like some Mormons)?
And to answer your last question about men and women being prohibited from marrying more than one person at a time: I, personally, don't care. I wouldn't do it myself. I don't think the government has any business regulating it, either.
One point Krauthammer failed to grasp in his article was about the difference between being a polygamist and being gay. He cited a person who correctly states that people choose to be polygamists, while people DON'T choose to be gay. They either are gay or they aren't...hence, it is not a choice. Being a polygamist is a choice. Krauthammer devolved the argument down to love, which isn't relevant to that person's point.
Thoughts? Discuss.
Agnostick (anonymous) says…
In discussing polygamy and its practitioners, ksmoderate states:
"The article names Mormons, Africans (only the "primitive" ones), and some Arabs."
========================================
Well, you must've missed last nights' ABC News special, "Out of Control: AIDS in Black America."
http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story...
I thought the program was well-researched and well-presented. They started out with some statistics (AIDS has been the leading cause of death for black women age 25-44 for the past 11 YEARS!)... and then went through four or five reasons why this epidemic has raged, unchecked.
One of the things they talked about was the dearth of black men. A lot of black male babies just don't make it to adulthood, for a variety of reasons. One of the comments made something like, "When a black man moves into a community--I mean a black man who's educated, makes good money, has never been to prison--he'll immediately have five, six women knocking at his door."
Because they know there's a scarcity of men, the women don't mind sharing. Black men are far more likely to have multiple sex partners than their white counterparts. On top of that, there's a little-known, little-discussed population of bisexual men (slang for a bi man is to say that he's "on the down low"). These men have sex with each other, at the same time that they're having relations with these multiple women! Furthermore...
1) The women do NOT even want to KNOW if their man is "on the down low"
2) The sex is generally unprotected
Hence, you have an AIDS epidemic.
Point I'm trying to make here, I guess:
* Modern black America = multiple sex partners
* Polygamy = multiple sex partners after a marriage ceremony
Agnostick
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Agnostick (anonymous) says…
Thought I'd better clarify:
In that last post... In no way was I trying to be degrading, mean, racist etc. regarding sexual habits & mores among the African-American community. Merely passing on something I saw on TV last night.
Agnostick
agnostick@excite.com
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
A polygamy gene? Are you serious?! What a huge load of crap, Kaliwa. Polygamy gene....honestly.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
And as for polygamists shoehorning their way into the gay marriage debate, those for gay marriage want nothing to do with polygamists and would rather they stay out of the debate.
Agnostick (anonymous) says…
I wonder how long *THAT* will stay up...???
Agnostick
agnostick@excite.com
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Well poo Boris got our plans. Next he'll probably broadcast to the world the Communists' plans to eradicate the entire Western Hemisphere. Yes, that's right. We've created a giant space laser that we'll call a "Laserrrr" that will slice the planet in half to separate the East from the West.
Kodiac (anonymous) says…
"What if some people are born with a polygamy gene? Is polygamy then a choice?"
Is everyone on the same page here. I thought we were talking about social polygamy as opposed to sexual polygamy. Biologically speaking, sexual monogomy is very rare in animal populations. Humans were not built to be monogamous organisms and very likely had to be polygamous very early in their history evolutionary speaking. I think most studies show sexual monogamy to be very rare in human populations even today. But it seems like to me even the author is confusing the issue of choice with a social concept (polygamy) and a biological concept (homosexuality). I mean when you really think about it, there are not many humans who can truly claim to be sexually monogamous in their entire lifetime. However from a social standoint, many humans could claim to be socially monogamous and say they chose to be. Homosexuality though is not a social choice but a biological reality. I mean after all given our current cultural and social mindset, would you choose to be gay?
prospector (anonymous) says…
Me thinky Slammer of Truth was a Con-man from another solar system.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
This almost qualifies as spam...
whistlestop75 (anonymous) says…
scenebooster said:
"vice pres. cheney: Well, I don't think it's likely to unfold that way, Tim, because I really do believe that we will be greeted as liberators. I've talked with a lot of Iraqis in the last several months myself, had them to the White House. The president and I have met with them, various groups and individuals, people who have devoted their lives from the outside to trying to change things inside Iraq. And like Kanan Makiya who's a professor at Brandeis, but an Iraqi, he's written great books about the subject, knows the country intimately, and is a part of the democratic opposition and resistance. The read we get on the people of Iraq is there is no question but what they want to the get rid of Saddam Hussein and they will welcome as liberators the United States when we come to do that."
This statement was from before we invaded Iraq...while we were giving Saddam time to surrender the country peacefully. It only shows there were people who would and DID greet the American troops with great ceremony...THEY took over tearing down Suddam's statue in the square, with all celebration. It would be a better point if you would remember history correctly...
ksmoderate (anonymous) says…
Dude, if you're going to do the Russian thing, then at least transliterate "ruble" correctly. Ha!
ksmoderate (anonymous) says…
Kaliwa,
Polygamy gene....OK.....riiiiight.
whistlestop75 (anonymous) says…
Scenebooster...
Do you really think that in preparing for war with Iraq, the United States should have counted on Iran and Syria to produce "troops" and provide weaponry to fight our troops...or was that just in hindsight we should have prepared for?
whistlestop75 (anonymous) says…
Scenebooster...
The military advisors were the top brass of the Army, Navy and the Marine Corps...Congress had a committee to approve the military operations...I believe the political makeup of these people were not only of the Republican persuation, but Democrat as well...it simplifies the issue to blame just the President...
Kodiac (anonymous) says…
Ah Kawika,
Are you talking about social polygamy which I suggest you take up with the government or are you talking about sexual polygamy in which case is allowed. The government does not stop you from having multiple sex partners or do they?
Kodiac (anonymous) says…
Kaliwa sorry not Kawika
Kodiac (anonymous) says…
"So if same-sex marriage is allowed, why shouldn't polygamy be allowed? "
This statement is confusing to me because the word polygamy is undefined. That government, as far as I know, does not have laws against having multiple sex partners. How is same-sex marriage the same as polygamy? Do you mean like a polygamous-sex marriage? Secular law in most western countries with large Jewish and Christian populations does not recognize polygamous marriages. However, few such countries have any laws against living a polygamous lifestyle: they simply refuse to give it any official recognition.
whistlestop75 (anonymous) says…
Scenebooster...
Is this turning into a debate? You believe I have gone way off topic...Your statement was to blame the current administration on going to war...My point of view is that it took congress to approve the war...Congress is made up of both Republican's and Democrats...the committee that was formed was formed from both sides and the information gathered for the decision was not gathered by just the Republicans or just the Democrats...it was a mutual decision on the information gathered by Republicans AND Democrats...
End of Debate...
janeb (anonymous) says…
Posted by observer (anonymous) on August 25, 2006 at 7:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
hammer_of_truth, con-man, see you came back. Not a bit smarter just can't seem to grasp fact that you and your beloved pres are clueless. Will now add your name back with new identity to retronutcase.com. Think you want credit for your incompetent ignorance
And when will Observer go? Only The Shadow knows................
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Harpo, Hammer, it's getting old. Please tone it down a little bit.
Kaliwa-there is an instinct to have more than on sexual partner--but only in males. This should have been explained to you in junior high health class.
The theory is that homosexuality is the result of a chemical reaction that happens in the early stages of pregnancy. It is not a choice.
Polygamist marriage and gay marriage are different.
Agnostick (anonymous) says…
observer, great website!!!
Agnostick
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Agnostick (anonymous) says…
To borrow a page from the ol' "Troll Playbook"...
It's worth remembering this about Harpo and Boris:
When Communism eventually failed in Russia,
(When certain "RINOs" lost their posting privileges)
A lot of those people turned to crime: prostitution, the Russian Mafia, etc.
(They turned to troll-like tactics, such as multiple identities, spoofing, etc.)
Agnostick
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xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
One of our favorite columnists, Ellen Goodman of the Boston Globe, recently bestowed an annual Equal Rites award to none other than the Cowboy Idiot.
In presenting the award to the primary cause for Republican disquiet, Goodman noted: "Alas, America is not immune to international guy gaffes. The Man-Handling Prize for groping across borders goes to The Decider, who came up behind Angela Merkel's back and gave the horrified German chancellor a hefty massage. This "Love Attack," as it was described in Germany, proves that no woman is too powerful to get George as her main squeeze."
In a few years, when William the Great is beginning his first term as Secretary-General of the United Nations, perhaps Bush can find work clearing brush on the ranches of his daddy's rich friends in Texas.
Kodiac (anonymous) says…
Well-stated swbsow. I agree that all of these types of marriages are different and I also think they should all be officially "legal" if everyone involved consent to any of those type of arrangements.
I am not sure why Kaliwa is focussing on this issue or where he is going with all of this. I see many trying to show certain types of arrangements can result in some form of abuse not seen in other arrangements. While different arrangements might see different types of abuses given their unique situation, all arrangements have the potential of abuse none of which are "worse" than the other. Of course we have all observed many people criticizing certain types of arrangements as being harmful to the family unit or will be traumatic to children or cause some kind of "degradation" to social morals which has no evidential basis and to me is just simply a prejudiced, discriminatory viewpoint with no validity whatsoever. So I think it is illogical and wrong to declare one type of arrangement to be better than another one based on such opinions or differences between these arrangements.
So Kaliwa from your concerns, I think you should start a grass roots campain to call for the legalization of all types of arrangements and that anything short of that is discriminatory to those not legalized. And as swbsow pointed out, legalization would give protection to everyone as well as reduce the financial burden for all. I look forward to your new website Kaliwa that will help support such foward thinking intiatives...
Kodiac (anonymous) says…
Sorry Kaliwa, I lost track of the article by Cal Thomas you are referring to. Can you repost the link for the Cal Thomas point you are referring to?
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Kaliwa if you actually read my earlier posts, I did answer your question. Honestly. I did. Now go look for it.
Just because hetero couples can procreate and gay couples can't doesn't mean gay couples shouldn't be allowed to marry and share the rights and legal benefits that hetero couples do.
yourworstnightmare (anonymous) says…
Hetero couples with sterility cannot procreate.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
I was wondering, Kaliwa, what with the recent enforcement of the Terms of Agreement on these forums, could I get nearly every single one of your posts on the gay marriage topic removed because comparing gay marriage to polygamy offends me? Just curious :)
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Dishonest? No. But it's still offensive when other people bring different kinds of marriges into the light when the real issue is gay marriage. Polygamy contributes to the objectification of women. Have you ever heard of a woman with multiple husbands?
Kodiac (anonymous) says…
HesterPrynne.
I have no idea who or what you are talking about....
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
.......uh-huh it just keeps going and going and going and going...
Kodiac (anonymous) says…
Kaliwa,
"Then you have a consistent argument and, at the same time, have made Cal Thomas' point."
Again I ask what is this point of Thomas's that sbwsow is making? Are you referring to this statement of Cal's:
"If same-sex marriage is allowed, it is going to be nearly impossible to prohibit the sanctioning of any other kind of human "relationship" - from close relatives of different sexes who wish to marry (that has been outlawed because of biological and incest considerations) and polygamists to adult-child "marriage."
This of course has nothing to do with sbwsow's argument and is complete hogwash. If you follow that line of reasoning, then heterosexual marriage should not prohibit the sanctioning of any other kind of relationship as well. Do you really think that same-sex marriage will result in legalization of incest? As I said, comlete nonsense.
Obviously, I am not quite sure I understand how sbwsow's argument is consistent with Cal Thomas's point. The whole point of Thomas's article was that he felt like marriage between a man and a woman is based on biblical teachings which he is calling the "objective truth". He even goes as far as to assert that if there was no God, then there would be no reason to have morality. Ethical behaviours or principles have and do exist outside of religion which are not bound by any kind of faith doctrine. Do you really think that those types of beliefs have the moral compulsion of a "bowl of cereal" as Thomas says because God in not part of them. Cal also says that marriage started with the bible with Genesis references and he says "At least we heterosexuals have a reference that is thousands of years old." Virtually every society has some form of marriage which most have or had no biblical reference for its existence. I think Cal Thomas is being intolerant and dogmatic here and trying to push his version of the "truth" onto others. I do not see how this "point" is "consistent" with any of sbwsow's arguments.
Maybe you could give us a clarification of what you were trying to say Kaliwa.
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
For thousands of years, the Chinese practiced a political philosophy called "The Mandate of Heaven."
Whenever prevailing rulers were lazy or corrupt or incompetent - or variations of all three - opposing forces would gather and defeat the prevailing rulers.
The "legitimacy" of the new dynasty was, since the old order was lazy or corrupt or incompetent - or variations of all three - that it was the "mandate of Heaven" to replace the old with the new.
Our present administration is the most incompetent gaggle of political misanthropes since the days of Warren G. Harding. Have reason to worry? I'd say the "mandate of Heaven" is ready to render judgement on their sorry . . . necks.
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
Think again.
No one knows the true nature of God, except that "It" is an abstraction that controls natural physical laws. It is impossible - and silly to contemplate - to be angry at an abstraction.
The "mandate of Heaven" will crush Republican conservatives in November. Get ready.
tuschkahouma (anonymous) says…
Firstly, I'm going to lay waste to this whole talking points
garbage. Let's see, we have disheveled diplomacy
with the rest of the world. The people who consider
talking loud and calling names an effective speaking
approach have made us the laughing stock of the world.
We have no raises at jobs, car companies cutting
back, the threat of ANWR being pillaged, and no concept
of reality. A total mess is occuring right now. And what
do the geniuses in the Geriatric Oppressive Partisanship
Party have as a solution? Let's worry about Same-Sex
marriage, stem-cell research, and implementing
theocracy in schools. Let's also claim that we're
for lesser government when the government is spending
money in all the wrong places like an addict. They're
trying to tell the simpletons that follow them that the
home is still standing after all the things they've done
wrong. In all honesty, the home containing responsibility,
accountability, and civility, is burning down, and these
theocratic geniuses? are responsible for it. They wanted
power in 1994, and look what they've done with it since?
Heck, even Newt Gingrich is against them. Their own
leaders, (the ones who smell the house burning),
have chosen to abandon them. They aren't even winning
on significant issues anymore. Their "Wizard" behind
the curtains keeps playing peid piper to the simpletons
who basically cutting their own throats with the voting choices they make. Enough is enough. Kick them out
where they belong.... unemployed and accountable
for the mess they've created.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Okay the communist stuff was funny for the first few posts or so now it's getting old, guys.
antimarion (anonymous) says…
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Okay harpo enough is enough. You can stop doing the communist thing it's just spamming now.
Kodiac (anonymous) says…
Kaliwa,
"I said that she had a consistent argument. I did not say that argument was consistent with Cal Thomas' argument."
Sorry Kaliwa, I meant to say how does swbsow's consistent argument makes Cal Thomas' point. I was seeking a clarification of that statement.
You said "Then you have a consistent argument and, at the same time, have made Cal Thomas' point."
I just wanted to know what did you mean by "made Cal Thomas' point"?
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
I laughed out loud when I read about what Katherine Harris said recently, holygrail. It makes me smile knowing that woman is insane and will no doubt NOT be elected. Unless the people in Florida are as stupid as she obviously thinks they are.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Love child? Cool! I'd vote for him--if I were evil and therefore Republican...or is it Republican and therefore evil? Sometimes I try so hard being redundant. Fiddlesticks.
daddax98 (anonymous) says…
600!
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
If we can't elect Hillary, McCain will be a reasonable alternative.
In his heart, he has to loath GWB and the rest of the Republican hierarchy for what they did to him and his family. A man like him does not forget insult, and rightly so.
A genuinely moderate Republican. The trogs will have to muzzle their fire-hose hatred of everything Democratic, for McCain will implement a number of basic Democratic policies, particularly in budget discipline. The trogs will perhaps then howl over the dearth of pork-barrel projects, but let' em. They were in power long enough.
Agnostick (anonymous) says…
Well, we do know one big difference between gays and polygamists:
"Polygamist Pimps" generally get arrested by the FBI and thrown in the slammer.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/29/pol...
Agnostick
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xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
Republicans have reason to worry.
Americans, regardless of political ideology, share the same basic sentiment: the buck stops here.
On this, the anniversary of Katrina, every thinking person is cognizant of the systemic incompetence that characterized the federal government's response to the disaster.
An almost willful, unfeeling incompetence that thinking people discern in other federal initiatives, from Iraq to tax cuts for the wealthy to stem-cell research to the widely-ignored effort to deliver Social Security to the wolves on Wall Street.
The buck stops here. A price has to be paid . . . and Republicans will pay for their incompetence in November.
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
FEMA
I am deliberately - and possibly unwisely - ignoring holygrailale's injunction to ignore you and your ideological colleagues, but your slant on reality is so egregriously incorrect - as usual - that I hasten to rectify your error.
The "Federal Emergency Management Agency" is a federal agency responsible for responding appropriately to significant public disasters.
You may feel that FEMA responded adequately to Katrina; if so, you are in a very small and restricted minority.
Conservatives are a curse on America: past, present, and sadly, the future. We should work ceaselessly to restrict them from political power and public discourse.
Lepanto1571 (anonymous) says…
Observer,
Having read the above post, I am absolutely convinced you were that Keerock fella.
Lepanto1571 (anonymous) says…
Observer, actually read your posts some time.
Keerock will immediately come to mind if you are an astute "observer."
Lepanto1571 (anonymous) says…
Observer,
"Do I need to draw you a map?"
Please do.
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
Kevin:
I'm shocked at your lack of decorum, at your failure to adhere to good manners.
Marine enlisted men, particularly those responsible for handing out hot coffee and grease pencils during weather briefings, should sublimate their personal failures - for example, mommy's boys who joined the Corps in fervent but futile hopes the Corp would make them into men - and concentrate on being polite to those not chained to an inflexible social hierarchy that destroys creativity and genius.
As usual, despite your deficiencies, I will continue to do my very best for you.
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
Kevin:
Actually, the "uniform" during my stay in the KDOC and the MDOC was blue denim jeans and blue cambray shirt.
Stripes went out I think in the late 50s.
Of course, you're entitled to your opinion.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
You call that an opinion? You give him more credit that I do.
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
Kevin:
I escaped from Lansing - took out a guard tower in broad daylight - and, when caught, was sent on interstate transfer as a security risk to an underground supermax in Minnesota.
You really should rethink your prejudices and predispositions toward people. Narrow-minded is small-minded.
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
So when the world is asleep, and there seems no hope of her waking
Out of some long, bad dream that makes her mutter and moan,
Suddenly, all men arise to the noise of fetters breaking,
And everyone smiles at his neighbor and tells him his soul is his own!
- Rudyard Kipling
"The Dawn Wind"
In the dark of our despair at the incompetence and inanity in Washington DC, we need only wait a few more months before the chains and fetters of Republican rule are cast off.
We'll still have to tolerate the Chief Cowboy Idiot, Karl Rove dancing to the tune of the super-rich, and Dick Cheney mulling his Eisenhower-era chicanery, but Democrats will control both houses of Congress and . . . let the hard work to clean up Republican messes begin!
beatrice (anonymous) says…
The fact that people are still discussing this should stand as proof that the Republicans are, indeed, in trouble.
Tychoman (anonymous) says…
Kaliwa if you want apologies you're going to be waiting a while.
If you apologize for the B.S. you've sprayed incessantly and tirelessly at our side, we might consider.
But then again that entire post (as usual) has no credibility because of infantile names you insist on calling us.
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
Apologize?
I think not.
"Apparently" you have forgotten the primary pre-invasion sin of your incompetent Republican leaders - the Cheney initiative to suborn Tenet at CIA into duping Colin Powell to put his personal prestige on the line at the U.N. to bolser Bush & Co.'s ill-fated, ill-advised jingoism.
"Apparently" someone in your incompetent administration owes Powell an apology . . . but somehow none of us see that coming anytime in the foreseeable future.
"Apparently" someone should cease worrying about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, and begin posting items of substance i.e., what will happen if al-Sistani dies and al-Sadr inherits his mantle of leadership.
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
Kevin:
You demonstrate an unfortunate proclivity toward presumption.
Dick Cheney suborned George Tenet to feed Colin Powell bogus information inre Iraq in order to get Powell to carry the ball for Bush & Co. at the U.N., where Powell was the only Bush administration figure with the prestige to make a convincing argument to that body.
Bush and Cheney were determined to go to war, regardless of any evidence or prior circumstance.
right_thinker:
Jesus is still dead.
I am on my way out the door. Will address your concerns tomorrow.
Klickhammer (anonymous) says…
Kaliwa,
Please link any direct evidence you have to support your claim that Wilson is a fraud -- I'm very interested in this issue. Note: by "direct evidence" I don't mean someone just saying it (like in the Washington Post); I mean documented, credible sources.
I don't have an opinion either way, so think of it as a chance to persuade someone.
Lepanto1571 (anonymous) says…
Observer,
"...what is minimum required IQ to be a true believer and what is required evangelical membership?"
Good news! Only 5 points higher than that required for membership in the ranks of democratic secular humanists!
A quality DL course from a major university might prove useful in overcoming that small margin for you.
Best of luck in your quest!
Lepanto1571 (anonymous) says…
o,
"lepy, I'm not an evangelical."
You're NOT! Stop it.
"rightwinger, con-man lack brains to answer, as do you."
Nice use of ridicule. Democracy in action.
Oh, by the way, when you're trying to be a smarta$$, you may want to try being smart first!
Have great evening!
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
"seriously calls into question your judgment, intellect, and integrity."
And this, from one who posted that:
* "Judicial Watch" is a "non-partisan educational foundation"
* Sudan "offered Osama bin Laden to the U.S. on a silver platter"
* William Jefferson Clinton "raped" Juanita Broaddrick
* ad infititum, ad nauseam
"Apparently," you can't see the forest for the trees.
The essence of Bush/Cheney/assorted idiots' primary error is that they foolishly, knowingly, invaded Iraq . . . when there was no compelling reason to do so. Instead of focusing efforts on Afghanistan, and reinforcing ties with Muslim governments and societies around the world, your brash ignoramuses have:
* emperiled our status as a superpower, at a time when our ability to use that status is absolutely critical.
* emperiled our economy - trillions in debt, an out-of-control balance of payments deficit, out-of-control federal spending. Without a strong economy, free of massive debt, we cannot long maintain superpower status.
* divided the country with their clandestine, secretive approaches to national security. Why not make the American people their allies - as it should be - instead of potential enemies?
* undermined hallowed Constitutional priniciples with illegal "signing statements" that arbitrarily seize power to the executive branch - of course, the Congress is only too willing to close their eyes and go to sleep while their president ruins the country
* has actively discouraged science and scientific research, for a number of political, ideological reasons that leaves us at risk of losing our technological lead over emerging countries
These are things that are important, not how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. These are the reason Republicans are in trouble, and they most certainly have reason to worry.
xenophonschild (anonymous) says…
Kevin:
You still post what has already been debunked, or you were forced to admit as being your "opinion."
Of course, you're entitlted to your opinion; however, you will recall that Sudan was primarily interested in sending OBL to Saudi Arabia . . . to be pardoned.
Of course, you're entitled to your opinion; however, Juanita Broaddrick rather forcefully denied - under oath, if I remember correctly - that Wiliam the Great raped her.
Of course, you're entitled to your opinion; however, Monica Lewinsky never suggested that she had been sexually harassed or abused.
Of course, you're entitled to your opinion; however, I just - this week - edited and proofed Judicial Watch's latest public offering - "The past is prologue to the future" - which is a four-page polemic against Hillary Clinton, as was their last mailing, and the one before that, and the one before that.
BTW, did "Judicial Watch" ever print a single word of condemnation inre Tom DeLay or Scooter Libby?
I didn't think so.
Kodiac (anonymous) says…
Was gone for the weekend and it looks like I must have missed some fireworks. Did Kaliwa get booted again?
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