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Here are today's headlines from the Kansas congressional delegation:Rep. Nancy Boyda (D) ![][1][(AP) Ryun races to regain congressional seat:][2] Jim Ryun became world famous for breaking the 4-minute mile as a high school track star. These days, the Lawrence, Kan., Republican has settled in for a marathon of sorts to win back his old seat in Congress from Democrat Nancy Boyda, who narrowly defeated the five-term incumbent in November. More than a year before Boyda is up for re-election, Ryun is already on the campaign trail six or seven days a week, raising money and touting private polls that he says show him well ahead of his Republican primary challenger, State Treasurer Lynn Jenkins. But Jenkins has a less than admirable view of Ryun's latest bid for the 2nd Congressional District seat, which includes west Lawrence, Topeka, Manhattan and much of southeast Kansas. "Most of the comments I've heard is that it smacks of a desperate attempt to regain his D.C. lifestyle," Jenkins said in an interview. "And Kansans rejected that in November of 2006."[(The Washington Times) 114 in House object to Mexican trucks:][3] A bipartisan group of more than 100 House members is urging President Bush to halt a plan to give Mexican truckers full access to U.S. roads, saying it would compromise national security and provide a way for foreigners to enter the country illegally. "The U.S. Congress and the American people seriously question the ability of Mexican motor carriers and drivers to adhere to our country's strict safety rules, as well as the administration's preparedness and willingness to ensure Mexican truck drivers obey our homeland security and immigration rules," said a letter signed by 114 House members and sent to the White House on Monday. The letter was drafted by Reps. Duncan Hunter, California Republican, and Nancy Boyda, Kansas Democrat, and co-signed by 61 Democrats and 51 Republicans. "I believe our roads will be less safe with this program, and this isn't theoretical; it's a probability," Mrs. Boyda said. "It does make me furious."Sen. Pat Roberts (R)![][4][(Seacoastonline.com) Duckers' Day is headed to N.H.:][5] The Ruffed Grouse Society (RGS) applauds Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) and Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.) for introducing the long overdue Open Fields legislation, and urges both the Senate and House of Representatives to follow their bipartisan lead and pass this bill without debate. A companion bill is expected to be introduced in the House of Representatives sometime within the next two weeks. If adopted into law, Open Fields would direct the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) to provide federal funding to those states with existing programs that encourage private landowners - particularly farmers and ranchers - to open their property for hunting, fishing and other outdoor recreational activities. "This legislation is essential for maintaining the hunting and fishing heritage that has been passed down for generations," said Michael D. Zagata, RGS executive director and CEO. "Giving farmers and other landowners an incentive to provide access to hunters, fishers and other wildlife enthusiasts not only ensures that these traditional activities will continue for future generations to enjoy; it underwrites the prospects for establishing and maintaining critical habitat important to ruffed grouse, woodcock and many other wildlife species, while providing economic growth opportunities for rural communities where it is adopted."Etc.[(Wichita Eagle) Flood victims given vaccinations:][6] As floodwaters began to recede Tuesday night and Wednesday, some Coffeyville residents were able to get back into their damaged homes to salvage what they could. But many were warned that it was unsafe to return to their homes if they remained even partly under water, as flood waters are extremely contaminated. Still others faced tough decisions about whether to enter homes that had encountered severe damage and may or may not be stable enough to enter safely. Rep. Todd Tiahrt, along with Sen. Sam Brownback and Sen. Pat Roberts, will tour the Coffeyville area today, Schmidt said. "Everybody is asking when FEMA (the Federal Emergency Management Agency) will get here, but we don't have any information on that yet," she said. [1]: http://ljworld.com/specials/election04/primary/boyda.jpg [2]: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19610803/ [3]: http://washingtontimes.com/article/20070704/NATION/107040056/1001 [4]: http://roberts.senate.gov/Roberts-020405-18060-080-CFFflipped.jpg [5]: http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070704/SPORTS/707040344 [6]: http://www.kansas.com/news/state/story/114564.html

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Agnostick 6 years, 9 months ago

I take proof, dagopman. Proof, and nothing more. If no proof is offered, all that is left is sensationalism--and most likely, untruths. :))

If you aren't lying, you should have no problem providing proof: numbers, voting records, statistical analyses, anything.

You offer nothing... so your words mean nothing. :))

My "political ignorance" is grounded in the fact that I'm willing to give people a fair amount of time before falling back on tired old rhetoric, suppositions, and stereotypes. Add to that the fact that a perusing of your posts shows a constantly-changing story...

Is the "law of large numbers" universal? If so, then what you claim about Boyda is equally as relevant to Ryun, is it not? Might it be true that in the first few months of Ryun's tenure, in 1994, his votes were in lockstep with Newt Gingrich? Very telling you don't have a problem with that.

Likewise, if somebody started out voting AGAINST "the grain" early on (for example, if 98% of Boyda's votes were the opposite of Pelosi's)... wouldn't that same "law of large numbers" gradually take hold, until we were at pretty much the same average as if we'd started from the other direction?

I'm not easily fooled by the likes of you, dagopman. I'm willing to guess that, at best, you're an online troll from the Ryun campaign staff. That's where I'm placing my money. My guess is that you'll be very, very active here for the next 18 months or so... and then after @ the third week of November, you're posts will quickly drop off in frequency, and we'll never hear from you again.

Saw this happen in 2002, and again in 2004, and again in 2006. Typical politcal partisan troll behavior. :)))

--Ag

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dagopman 6 years, 9 months ago

And, you, Agnostick, are politically ignorant. Of course her voting record will decline in percentage with each successive vote. That is called "law of large numbers". Furthermore, my posts are extrememly accurate. Please don't take just what you want from them.

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Agnostick 6 years, 9 months ago

Oh, so today it's 94% of the time? What will it be tomorrow, 88%? You change your stories more often than Prince changes outfits during a concert.

You're a liar, dagopman, and a fool. And a waste of bandwidth.

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com http://www.uscentrist.org

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dagopman 6 years, 9 months ago

Agnostick-

Many people return to college later in life. Thanks for the plug. I do have a dislike and disrespect for Nancy Boyda. Her voting record now matches Pelosi 94% of the time. She is not the independent voice she promised. Ryun voted with his party quite often too but did vote against the President and his party on No Child Left Behind, the Medicare prescription drug program and many, many appropriation bills because they exceeded budget projections. Sadly, he did authorize military action in Iraq, much like Hillary Clinton and others in the Democratic party. As for obsessions, you and many others on here have an obsession with demonizing President Bush and other Republicans. Fair criticism cuts both ways sir.

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Jamesaust 6 years, 9 months ago

"It means she votes with the party leadership an inordinate amount of the time."

(a) what's inordinate? my guess is that there's no fixed criteria for this; its just a focus on which complaints can be based. (b) is there a particular bill you wanted her to vote against the leadership? and more importantly, is that a topic she'd campaigned on voting against? (c) what you describe was Ryun's relationship to the Republican House leadership - Ryun didn't need to do anything other than physically be there to push his button the way he was directed to.

Given that Boyda's most controversial voting so far (Iraq) DEVIATES from the wishes of so many in her party, there'd seem to be little basis for this claim. Still, much like Dennis Moore, you're not likely to make much progress by complaining to Republicans that she votes too much like a Democrat - they know that already. The question is: will the GOP nominate an opponent who votes like a Republican (instead of some nut-job version of a Dixiecrat)?

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Agnostick 6 years, 9 months ago

dagopman, you've actually surprised me. I didn't think there was anyone who could have as unhealthy as obsession, as perverted a fetish, as "ferdinandlangoff" (and his many other incarnations) has for all things Bill and Hillary Clinton. I was quite convinced that nobody else could have quite as disturbing a fixation on one or two people, as that person has.

But then I perused your posts here on LJW, all 120 of them. Like Gomer Pyle said, "Surprise, surprise, SURPRISE!"

You really have an unhealthy fixation on this woman, don't you?

Here's the voting record of Nancy Boyda: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes.xpd?person=412210

Here's the voting record of Nancy Pelosi: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes.xpd?person=400314

Still willing to back up that "98%" figure you asserted back on May 2nd of this year?

Back on January 30th, you claimed to be a "college student"; then, on March 29th, you said that you and your wife have lived in your house for "over a decade." What, you got married at age 15?

Not sure what your real angle is here, but I lots of inconsistencies. But I don't ask anyone else to take my word for it--they can do the research like I did.

Maybe it's time you took your own medicine: dagopman, just shut up! Everytime you open your mouth, you insert your foot!

:rolleyes:

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com http://www.uscentrist.org

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Sigmund 6 years, 9 months ago

Ryun is the Ying to Boyda's Yang. They are both worthless political whores who know how to raise money and tow the party line so they can maintain their personal "power" and the perks of office. It's not about service to the Country, Kansas, or even their District. If both of them died in a freakish Karmic car accident, Kansas would not be diminished in the least.

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dagopman 6 years, 9 months ago

It means she votes with the party leadership an inordinate amount of the time. I had hoped she would be an independent voice, but she isn't.

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Jamesaust 6 years, 9 months ago

"Boyda is nothing but a shill for Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid."

Does anyone here have a clue what this statement supposedly means? (I recognize already, thank you, that its a statement offered up in lieu of any substantive argument.)

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Michael Capra 6 years, 9 months ago

boyda shes are man not get her out of there she has done nothing but lose funding for kansas

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dagopman 6 years, 9 months ago

Boyda is nothing but a shill for Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. How sad.

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Jamesaust 6 years, 9 months ago

"Boyda is part of the congressional group that has the lowest approval rating in American history."

Really? The lowest was 18% approval in 1992. Most current polls range between 23-35%. And that's pretty much where the numbers were after the People elected a Democrat Congress in a landslide, which (IMHO) is the sine quo non of "popularity."

The only real value in such numbers is the trend. Here, the trend is neither better nor worse. Congress is made up of the quintessential 'politicians' and the public doesn't think much of politicians - no doubt, an Earth-shaking insight.

In contrast, polls about individuals are more insightful. Presently, we have a President more unpopular than any other - except for his father. (And we all know about the Oedipal influences that drive W to 'out do' his father so I'd expect W will manage an even lower rating before long. Maybe he could extend even more amnesties to lawbreakers?)

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dagopman 6 years, 9 months ago

Luckily Nancy Boyda will be a one-termer. She is an embarrassing rubberstamp for Nancy Pelosi. Boyda is part of the congressional group that has the lowest approval rating in American history.

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erod0723 6 years, 9 months ago

"Brownback, Roberts and Ryun have been an embarrassment to Kansas. They've all acted as Bush accomplices without an independent thought in any of their heads.

It's time Kansas sent someone else to Washington. Bush is going down and taking his whole party with him. These three need to go down with him."

With luck, Brownback won't be running for Senate position next time he comes up for reelection. Maybe he can somehow win the Repub nomination and end up embaressing himself and ruin his political future. As for Roberts, he received something like 80% of the popular vote last time, so it will be pretty difficult to boot him out of office.

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Jamesaust 6 years, 9 months ago

"Most of the comments I've heard is that it smacks of a desperate attempt to regain his D.C. lifestyle."

Bulls-eye.

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lunacydetector 6 years, 9 months ago

what exactly has nancy 'i've had enough of nancy boyda' done?

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Agnostick 6 years, 9 months ago

"The short of it is this: I am withholding judgment. If Jim Ryun is the Republican candidate, I will vote for him. If Lynn Jenkins is, I will vote for her."


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Richard Heckler 6 years, 9 months ago

Repub Neocon Tax dollar wastelands: Tax dollar wastelands = Iraq War/Luxury Iraq Embassy/Homeland Security Department...there must be others.

Construction Woes Add to Fears at Embassy in Iraq - washingtonpost.com He defended First Kuwaiti and accused the embassy and KBR -- a Texas-based company that runs many facilities in Iraq and discovered the wiring problems ... www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content... 2007/07/04/AR2007070401685.html?nav=rss_email/components - Jul 4, 2007 -

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Iraq+Embassy+Problems&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Oil Oil Oil So how much are american citizens willing to pay for a barrel of oil as this war is doing nothing but increasing the cost.

http://www.icta.org/press/release.cfm?news_id=12

http://www.progress.org/gasoline.htm

http://www.icta.org/doc/Real%20Price%20of%20Gasoline.pdf

http://www.iags.org/costofoil.html

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Stain 6 years, 9 months ago

Brownback, Roberts and Ryun have been an embarrassment to Kansas. They've all acted as Bush accomplices without an independent thought in any of their heads.

It's time Kansas sent someone else to Washington. Bush is going down and taking his whole party with him. These three need to go down with him.

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Stain 6 years, 9 months ago

purplesage (Anonymous) says: You lost, get over it? Sounds like the advice Al Gore needed to hear and heed a in '00.

That's funny, I remember in 2004 there was a decisive victory of Boyda over Ryun with a pretty big margin. Not a valid comparison, that.

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purplesage 6 years, 9 months ago

You lost, get over it? Sounds like the advice Al Gore needed to hear and heed a in '00.

I voted for Ryun every time he ran. However, he was asleep at the switch. I remember numerous discussions early in the last campaign season. Boyda signs were everywhere. Days turned into weeks before Jim Ryun's campaign got with the program.

There were times when Jim Ryun won by 70% margins. Times changed. I would be certain that he was targeted as were a number of KS races with R's turned to D's for expediency's sake. Boyda had been the strongest challenge he had faced. Should have been paying attention.

The short of it is this: I am withholding judgment. If Jim Ryun is the Republican candidate, I will vote for him. If Lynn Jenkins is, I will vote for her. It is the primary race that I have not decided. I just hope they don't tear up one another so badly in the primary that NB comes back for more.

The challenge has to be strong. Dennis Moore is entrenched after surviving some very close races, including one with Mr. Kline, the object of so much disdain today. Now, I think we are stuck with him.

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erod0723 6 years, 9 months ago

"f there had been a HSD in 2000, maybe the 9/11 terrorists would not have been allowed to enter this country a year prior to 9/11." Ferd the turd, Do you really think that DHS has truly kept this country that much safer? Any person in this country that wants to blow up any building still can. All that DHS has caused is much more discretion and secrecy among terrorist rings.

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dagopman 6 years, 9 months ago

yourworstnightmare-

How do you know what Ryun is doing or is not doing?

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Richard Heckler 6 years, 9 months ago

"Nancy Boyda authored the bill to restrict Mexican trucking and it passed the House 411-3 but the US DOT is ignoring it." Well whatta ya know the Bush admin is still a stay the course narrow vision thinker.

Bush people know the southern border is no real threat which is why BOEING a war profiteer has not yet been funded to put in place the multi billion dollar cyber fence. Not only that how would the slave labor the neocons so dearly love get across? Bush is full of crap. Ryun would stand hand in hand with GW.

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=14136

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Stain 6 years, 9 months ago

Could the obstacles include that he is a nutjob who will ride on anybody's coattails, even George W. Bush's, and always, always, always, Jesus'?

Ryun: one of the worst Bush enablers ever. There will not be any need for any of these Bush parrots after Bush is gone.

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mick 6 years, 9 months ago

It's amazing. It's like the American people are hypnotized. The propaganda machine is working perfectly.

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Richard Heckler 6 years, 9 months ago

No matter all of those who supported Rep. Nancy Boyda put a moderate republican into office and so it goes for the state AG's office as well.

I supported Nancy Kassebaum without blinking an eye and never regretted that vote.

Then again whatever happened to the real republican party...will it please sign in for it is still a mystery. Ryun is a radical neocon not a republican.

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yourworstnightmare 6 years, 9 months ago

What has Ryun done since losing to justify another run? Has he written a book? Researched a problem? Traveled to understand international situations? Volunteered in this or other countries to gain experience and insight?

No. He has sat on his lazy seat, planning his run with nothing new or value-added to offer voters or the country. Pathetic.

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jimincountry 6 years, 9 months ago

Ryan is a casualty of Bush's administration!.............terminal, I think! Too bad for conservatives. Rep Boyda is no slouch!........for a dismal dem party she's better than the crummy leadership!

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mick 6 years, 9 months ago

Nancy Boyda authored the bill to restrict Mexican trucking and it passed the House 411-3 but the US DOT is ignoring it. Plans are for the NAFTA superhighway which is going full speed ahead. Ryun denied it even existed as did Pat Roberts. That quarter mile corridor is going to go right through here unless it's stopped. The mainstream media tells us nothing. They are not our friend. The plan is also for a North American Union. We need someone of moral character right now to fight off these threats to our sovereignty. Ryun will not do. He is a rubber stamp. Last year the rubber stamp Congress passed the Military Commissions Act which did away with habeas corpus and the Defense Appropriations Act which did away with posse comitatus. A May 9 Presidential Directive claims dictatorial powers in the case of some "catastrophic emergency." So now, the President can declare a catastrophic emergency, mobilize troops against US citizens, label anyone an enemy combatant and deny them habeas corpus. There are scary times right ahead and the media is telling us nothing. It is not the time for party politics as usual. The US Senate is 100% bought and paid for by Big Business. It is only because of a huge outrage that the amnesty bill did not pass. The media tried its hardest to deceive and manipulate. It would have fit right in with the plan for a North American Union and to make us more of an oligarchy than we already are.

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Richard Heckler 6 years, 9 months ago

merrill: "Did the USA really need a monster Homeland Security Department simply because neocons were not paying attention thus 9/11/01."

If there had been a HSD in 2000, maybe the 9/11 terrorists would not have been allowed to enter this country a year prior to 9/11."

I say all the necessary intelligence operations were in place and one more quite large bureaucratic department would improve nothing as I believe is evident as we speak. The Bush admin dropped the ball. CIA provided all necessary memos from which the president,Rummy and Rice would have made decisions. Presidents receive daily intelligence briefings so I understand. Somebody knew something for identifying the dead criminals came about in short order.

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dagopman 6 years, 9 months ago

9/11 was a responsibility of both the Clinton & Bush administration intelligence failures.

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KEITHMILES05 6 years, 9 months ago

I'm a registered Republican and voted against Ryun and would never vote for him again. He is part of the establishment and people saw through his facade and sorry lack of work ethic.

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ferdinandlanghoff 6 years, 9 months ago

merrill:

"Did the USA really need a monster Homeland Security Department simply because neocons were not paying attention thus 9/11/01."

If there had been a HSD in 2000, maybe the 9/11 terrorists would not have been allowed to enter this country a year prior to 9/11.

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ferdinandlanghoff 6 years, 9 months ago

50YearResident:

"Ryun, you lost, get over it and move on."

Did you offer Boyda the same advice after she lost in 2004?

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Richard Heckler 6 years, 9 months ago

For someone who hates big government ....while loving the pay and perks.... it seems he cannot get enough of big government. Big government has only expanded under the watch of those so concerned about big government. How did Ryun reduce the size of big government by supporting the creation of a monster Homeland Security for instance?

Did the USA really need a monster Homeland Security Department simply because neocons were not paying attention thus 9/11/01. Homeland Security is a bogus show in effort to distract the nation from the monster screw up aka 9/11/01. Talk about increased spending but on what?

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Agnostick 6 years, 9 months ago

"In today's Topeka paper he states the same old line of that part of the reason he lost was :. Republicans didn't show up at the polls."


Hhhhhmmmmmmmmm... really? That's not the "line" we got at the house, BigDog.

My schoolteacher wife somehow wound up on his mailing list (she says because she wrote him a couple of times about education issues), and we received a campaign letter from him back in April, I think... late April or early May. The darn thing was tossed out before I could scan it in, but I remember the front page of it talking about "liberals" and targeting him with "laser precision"... some silly crap like that. If any group or individuals were able to take such good aim at Ryun, it's because he went out of his way to make himself a target as big as the side of a barn.

As centrism and moderation slowly takes hold and steers things back towards common sense, old excuses like "It's the Democrats/Liberals' fault!" or "It's the Republicans/Conservatives fault!" are going to start wearing thin. The plain truth of the matter is that it's the extremists, on both sides, that are running the ship into the rocks.

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com http://www.uscentrist.org

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nettieb 6 years, 9 months ago

Jim Ryan did NOTHING during his run. NOTHING. Boyda has ruffled some feathers, but she's doing something, which is what she was elected for. Boyda knows that W's going to get what he wants anyway, and it's better to make sure the troops are funded instead of leaving them high and dry. Sounds logical to me, but then, what room does logic have in politics, I guess,

If people can't realize this, they are stupid and should have their voter cards revoked.

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BigDog 6 years, 9 months ago

dagopman ----

I have had limited interaction with her offices so far. In those interactions her DC office seemed a little lost but that could be the fact that they were still getting organized and educated to Washington. The Topeka office has been hot and cold, one time responsive, the next time I can't get a return phone call or response.

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dagopman 6 years, 9 months ago

Big Dog-

I have had the same difficulty with Boyda's offices. She replies with form letters, never directly answers a questions, and the reply is often weeks old. I, too, have had to utilize the office of Roberts, Brownback and Moran.

As a member of the KU family, I had have the opportunity to visit her DC office on 2 occasions. My experience has been that her office isn't nearly as dedicated or professional as the Ryun office.

What has been your success with either his or her's district offices?

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BigDog 6 years, 9 months ago

I contacted Jim's office on several occasions and each time received a form letter which was quite vague and not related to what I had contacted the office about. It was the same even when I met with him in his Washington DC office. It seemed in my interactions with his offices that his Washington office had more problems than Kansas office. I was able to get more help from Jerry Moran, Pat Roberts or Sam Brownback. And Jerry Moran does not even represent this part of the state.

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dagopman 6 years, 9 months ago

Big Dog-

Cite one example where Ryun failed to help people. I keep hearing that theme but have yet to hear anything of substance.

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BigDog 6 years, 9 months ago

Jim Ryun may be a decent guy but he lost contact with the people he represented. Just as another example ..... recently he sent out a fund raising letter and the letter came from Washington DC, not KANSAS. In today's Topeka paper he states the same old line of that part of the reason he lost was .... Republicans didn't show up at the polls. JIM the Republicans DID show up and helped toss you to the curb. We did not toss you just because you are conservative ..... heck I consider myself pretty conservative ...... we tossed you because you stopped listening and helping constituents ..... you lost contact with those you served.

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Kam_Fong_as_Chin_Ho 6 years, 9 months ago

He'll probably win. I think Nancy alienated many of her supporters by giving Dubya a blank check for the Iraq war recently.

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Rtz_t 6 years, 9 months ago

Jim Ryun is pathetic! He is only famous for coming in second - a lot! Sounds like he is on his way to another second place medal in August 08.

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consumer1 6 years, 9 months ago

Booty call. Ryan is after Boyda's seat???? I could not have come up with a better one liner! I mean after all this is Lawrence Kansas, somebody is always after someone else's seat. At least he is after a womans seat. and she's not bad looking for a masculine woman.

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Uhlrick_Hetfield_III 6 years, 9 months ago

Gee, did he sell the house he bought in DC for a song from some special interest group in order to come back to Lawrence, and has he figured out what the phrase "constituent services" means yet?

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Agnostick 6 years, 9 months ago

I will gladly hold my nose and register as a Republican for a few short hours the day before the Republican primary... so I can go to the polls the next day and cast a vote for Jenkins.

Jenkins represents the future... Crybaby Ryun represents the apathy and "slackerism" of the past.

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com http://www.uscentrist.org

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50YearResident 6 years, 9 months ago

Ryun, you lost, get over it and move on.

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