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Should pharmacists be allowed to refuse to dispense contraception based on their personal beliefs?

Response Percent Votes
No
 
81% 863
Yes
 
16% 174
Not sure
 
1% 21
Total 1058

Comments

Kyle Neuer 2 years, 5 months ago

As long as it's legal, shut up and do your job.

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pace 2 years, 5 months ago

That is not a dumb question. Pharmacies have choices of which drugs they carry, This bill will not change that. It will protect the employee of a pharmacy. letting him/her opt out of duties. The employee will be a special protected class, one that can not hired or fired on the basis of which part of the job he/she was hired for, he or she will do considering what his feelings are.

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jonas_opines 2 years, 5 months ago

Yeah, if its their own business, then they should be allowed to do what they want.

If they're working for someone else, then no. If it interferes with your personal belief system, then quit and find a job that does not. Or get over it, realize that you're probably not right and that you have no place trying to make decisions for other people, and do what you're being paid to do.

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jonas_opines 2 years, 5 months ago

Perhaps a rephrase. If its against your code, then you should just tell your boss that your beliefs are preventing you from doing your job, so they can take the necessary steps for resolution. Which might mean that you need to quit and find a new job.

Or, better yet, be honest and upfront and tell the interviewer beforehand that you are going to place your personal or religious beliefs above the duties that you are being hired to do.

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Patricia Davis 2 years, 5 months ago

If you believe your religious beliefs trump another person legal choice for health, don't become a pharmacist. In order to protect people's rights to get their legal prescriptions filled, pharmacy schools should not admit those whose religious views are more important than doing the job.

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optimist 2 years, 5 months ago

Living up to your tag, or at least the latter half of it. This is a bigoted viewpoint. There are people of all faiths and belief systems providing pharmacy services. They do not all have to operate in lockstep. There will always be someone willing to fulfill a need or provide a service. Where do you or anyone get off forcing another person to violate their conscience lest you be forced to do the same someday? Then where will you be.

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Frederic Gutknecht IV 2 years, 5 months ago

Pharmacists knew the job they were committing to. They knew that they would be selling drugs. They knew that the drugs they sold could possibly damage people. They knew that doctors had the authority and responsibility in prescribing those drugs (medications). They DO have to operate in "lockstep". They knew that rule going in! They studied/worked hard to get into a "live and let die" business, are very well paid and free to find another line of work. Are you a (Catholic) pharmacist? We are all "forced" to do what we believe is wrong/foolish/stupid in our work. If we are asked to do something "evil", then perhaps we should quit. It won't make a bit of difference but it is our right. We must quit or do our job. By the way, we should ALL quit!~) This world has gone totally insane. I have to say that preventing rampant hedonism from further increasing the misery caused by population growth, especially in "consumer" nations, seems more like a necessity than a crime. It is not our place to judge but it is, sometimes, our joy. Fight for what you believe but remember that it is inevitably a prescription for sorrow.

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Frederic Gutknecht IV 2 years, 5 months ago

Pharmacists knew the job they were committing to. They knew that they would be selling drugs. They knew that the drugs they sold could possibly damage people. They knew that doctors had the authority and responsibility in prescribing those drugs (medications). They DO have to operate in "lockstep". They knew that rule going in! They studied/worked hard to get into a "live and let die" business, are very well paid and free to find another line of work. Are you a (Catholic) pharmacist? We are all "forced" to do what we believe is wrong/foolish/stupid in our work. If we are asked to do something "evil", then perhaps we should quit. It won't make a bit of difference but it is our right. We must quit or do our job. By the way, we should ALL quit!~) This world has gone totally insane. I have to say that preventing rampant hedonism from further increasing the misery caused by population growth, especially in "consumer" nations, seems more like a necessity than a crime, to me. It is not our place to judge but it is, sometimes, our joy. Fight for what you believe but remember that it is inevitably a prescription for sorrow.

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Patricia Davis 2 years, 5 months ago

How typical that you resort to a personal attack about an issue that regards public policy.

Yes, there are people of all faiths and belief systems providing pharmacy services. However, if these religious beliefs are so strongly held that providing the services for which they were hired is impossible, that person should quit (or be fired). Furthermore, the state of Kansas should not expend its resources to train pharmacist who for religious grounds don't want to do their jobs.

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pace 2 years, 5 months ago

You probably have a car, good insurance, good access to alternate pharmacies, maybe a cell phone, to call around, then drive there. Where do you get off telling someone else "There will always be someone willing to fulfill a need or provide a service" That is a lie, you might feel that is true but it is not true for everyone. Not everyone in Kansas has choices of pharmacy, even good access to medical care, and you are saying, 'There will always be someone willing to fulfill a need or provide a service" I know of some people having trouble getting to a grocery that offers good produce and meat. You probably think, well they ought to get into their suv run up to the next town and buy from the farmer's market, no big deal.

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pace 2 years, 5 months ago

The above remark was referencing optimist's remarks.

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acg 2 years, 5 months ago

Where does a pharmacist get off in telling me that they can't fill my legal, doctor authorized prescription? I could give a rat's ass who his sky god is, do your freakin' job and shut your freakin' hole! Yay, so he or she may have personal religious beliefs. Whoopee, shut up about them! They don't affect me, I could give a crap about your beliefs. Do your job or hit the bricks. End of story!!

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purplesage 2 years, 5 months ago

It is the same question faced by a press operator a few years back whose personal beliefs about pornography led him to object to be assigned to print it.

The one-sided attitude of the pro-death crowd is certainly peculiar. Nobody should tell anyone how to live their life, they claim from one side of the mouth while demanding that professionals in the medical / pharmaceutical field violate their conscience for the ease and convenience of their position.

How about you find a pharmacist without pro-life convictions if you are going to kill your baby with his/her help?

Don't make others morally liable for you decisions.

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John Kyle 2 years, 5 months ago

How does contraception equal abortion?

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optimist 2 years, 5 months ago

The phrasing of this question is a reflection of the country we live in today. There was a time we might ask; does the Government have the authority to force a private citizen or privately owned business to partake in commerce or other activity that violates their conscience? There was a time when the unequivocal answer would have been a resounding NO. Government has no role here. This isn't about religion or the lack there of. This isn't about women's rights or sex ed in school. This is about individual freedom for all to choose for themselves and for all to suffer or relish in the consequences of their decisions.

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jonas_opines 2 years, 5 months ago

"This is about individual freedom for all to choose for themselves and for all to suffer or relish in the consequences of their decisions."

I assume, then, that you include in this the rights of an employee to fire somebody whose religious beliefs conflict with their ability to fulfill the duties that they were hired and paid to fulfill?

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pace 2 years, 5 months ago

Duh, the government is making a special protection for persons not to hired or fired because their personal belief guides them not to perform the job they were hired to do. Currently a pharmacy can choose a variety of drugs to carry or not. This law does not change that, this law protects a pharmacist as an employee. It is like hiring a bartender and the GOVERNMENT prohibiting the owner of the bar from asking if he/she will refuse to serve drinks.

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Charlie Bannister 2 years, 5 months ago

OPTIMIST you are incredible! You have put the exclamation point on this issue.

Now may I get off the subject a little? Instead of talking about the "rights" of people to purchase contraception, we ought to be talking about a subject I just read an article on at WND.com. It talks about all of the sicko kid pornographers that have invaded Facebook and are sharing pictures of naked children and videos of adults having sex with them. This is all going on under the nose of Facebook, who has done nothing to stop it. It is illegal, it is sick, it is immoral, and it is just plain EVIL!!! Why is Facebook allowing this? That is the kind of thing we need to be discussing and doing something about. This makes me so mad I want to scream!!!

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Alexander Smith 2 years, 5 months ago

Simplly put. They get tax breaks and right-offs for providing the services they do. Peoples health is in question and like a doctor the swear to a code of ethics to help those medially in need. if they cannot uphold that code then they should go flip burgers at McDonalds.

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straightforward 2 years, 5 months ago

Doctors swear an oath to do no harm. Doctors are also protected by the conscience clause, allowing them to choose to not abort a child if it compromises their beliefs. The same protections should be available to a pharmacist.

I'm not sure what code you're making up but doctors and pharmacists can always make the argument that aborting a child or providing someone contraception is actually bad for their health. Aborting a child is certainly bad for that child's health.

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Bailey Perkins 2 years, 5 months ago

You can't deny someone serve based on your beliefs. That would be the same as a restaurant (or any business really) denying a customer service.

A yogurt/ice cream shop in Springfield, MO tried to deny participants at Skepticon IV serve due to their beliefs or lack there of. It's against the law and shouldn't happen, no matter the service.

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Liberty275 2 years, 5 months ago

No American should ever be compelled by government to sell anything, ever. Period.

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jonas_opines 2 years, 5 months ago

My religious beliefs are that we are made in God's image, and his will brings us sickness and health. Therefore, it is against my beliefs for anybody to be provided any synthetically created medicine that is not found readily in nature. I work for a pharmacy, and my employer is getting angry at me because I will not hand out prescriptions to most of the drugs on the shelves. But he has no right to trample on my religious liberty.

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Jay_lo 2 years, 5 months ago

Your sarcasm is really poor. You do not work for a pharmacy, and should not indicate to people that you do. You also say that any pharmacist that works for someone else should do their job. I know pharmacists that work for pharmacy owners who have the same belief and will not fill some prescriptions themselves, and if their employees prefer to do the same it is not a problem with them.

There is a big difference between contraceptics and morning after pills. One prevents pregnancy and the other makes sure that if coneption has occurred that the pregnancy will be terminated.

That is what you are really talking about, the morning after pill. I don't know of too many pharmacies that will not fill a prescription for birth control.

Abortion is legal, should every doctor be required to perfom abortions? There are plenty of places for people to go where they can get a prescription filled to take care of an evening of unprotected sex, and I'll bet that the same pharmacist that refuses to fill a precription the morning after would have been more than happy to fill your prescription for birth control if you had the sense to use it ahead of time.

The nice thing is we won't end up getting the same stupid arguments from your children.

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jonas_opines 2 years, 5 months ago

"There is a big difference between contraceptics and morning after pills. One prevents pregnancy and the other makes sure that if coneption has occurred that the pregnancy will be terminated."

That's only a big difference if you subscribe to the theory that life begins at conception.

But please, explain to me why what I wrote is any different in any way except scope, to what this bill advocates.

Because its not different. Not at all.

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Mercy 2 years, 5 months ago

If you believe your right to obtain contraceptive/abortifacient beliefs trump another person rights then find a pharmacist who will fill your perscription. The same holds true for doctors and abortion as well as for doctors and those wanting help killing themselves.

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jafs 2 years, 5 months ago

That's interesting.

But, it's not that surprising to me - compassion and "should" come from very different places psychologically. And, many religious believer seem to operate from shoulds.

You can't really love somebody because you believe you ought to do so, as far as I can tell.

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James Minor 2 years, 5 months ago

It is the right of the individual to determine if they want to take contraception and that decision should not be infringed on by anyone. If a pharmacist objects to giving contraception they should not practice pharmacy. Their job is to dispense medication properly, and not go against the decisions of an individual and their doctor.

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oldexbeat 2 years, 5 months ago

This conversation was held in 1900. Contraceptives of a type were not legal. That changed. We have benefitted greatly from limited population growth. Many women need oral birthcontrol to stop other medical issues, such as ovarian cysts.

Why, oh why is this becoming an issue now ? Red Herring. Just another way for politicians to say " We are better than you and will control your mind and actions." Same politicians that bow to a foreign government and believe that an old guy with some Nazi background has the direct ear of a god. Yup.

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tomatogrower 2 years, 5 months ago

If they don't want to do it, don't become a pharmacist. Can an extreme Christian Scientist become a pharmacist, then refuse to dispense any medicine, because they don't believe in it? Can an herbalist refuse to dispense any chemical meds? If the guy (and it will probably be a guy, I know, I'm being sexist), does that, then fire him. A responsible pharmacy would not hire anyone like that. Good luck finding a job.

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jafs 2 years, 5 months ago

Also, this idea could lead to other problems with professionals, like lawyers, psychologists, etc.

What if a lawyer feels a moral problem with providing a robust defense for their client, and so simply doesn't do it?

Or a psychologist decides that patient confidentiality is a moral problem?

Etc.

Those guidelines, in professions, exist for a good reason - one can certainly question and challenge them, possibly changing them if there's reason to do that. But, to just fail to do what you're hired to do because you don't like it is a problem for me.

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tomatogrower 2 years, 5 months ago

Can you give me a time in history when some sort of government didn't exist?

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