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That would be my ideal candidate.True separation of church and state.
It really shouldn't matter whether a person goes to church or not. I'm not voting for a religion, I'm voting for principles.
he still became president because that's who the 'powers that be' chose. those slips of paper in the ballot box don't do squat.
Obama was the distraction. Look out for the actual play.
Wright-Wing fetish, much?
"To say “I am a Christian” is not enough. Why? Because the Christianity of the slaveholder is not the Christianity of the slave. The God to whom the slaveholders pray as they ride on the decks of the slave ship is not the God to whom the enslaved are praying as they ride beneath the decks on that slave ship."
Would you disagree? Slave owners calling themselves Christians is something that Christian slaves would question. Do you think the KKK are justified because they call themselves a Christian organization?
"You cannot do terrorism on other people and expect it never to come back on you."
Yep. Look at what has come back to the people who supported the terrorist acts on America. You aren't suggesting we should have just let Osama bin Laden slip by, are you? He deserved retribution.
“Fact number one: We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college. … Fact number two: Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run.”
I don't know if those numbers are correct, but if they are they certainly support the racism in our country. When the founding fathers owned slaves, it is pretty hard to deny that they country was founded on -- in part -- racism.
I could go on, but you get the point. Context also says a lot about the meaning of what someone is saying.
"Do you think the KKK are justified because they call themselves a Christian organization?"
I've often thought about what a KKK member would say if he were to actually meet Jesus Christ face to face.
First thing would be a derogatory slur referring to Him being a Jew. Next it would point to out that since he is good Christian, he not only doesn't associate with Jews, he doesn't allow a Jew to be around at all.
It's interesting - Wright's comments go a bit over the edge, but there's a lot of truth to them as well.
That's what scared the hell out of everybody.Too much truth to everything he said.
Sure, if you use a christian bible to justify anything, whether it be not cursing or hating people that look different, you are still christian.
"Fact number one: We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college"
Specious logic. You need to prove why they are in prison, not merely rely on their existence in prison because it fits your argument.
"You cannot do terrorism on other people and expect it never to come back on you."
Sounds about right, in fact most of it does.
It's funny how you don't mention the fact that Obama also denounced Wright as wrong and bigoted, saying that the man had changed drastically from the time he was Obama's pastor. You're as selectively ignorant as the "lame stream media" you denounce.
Brownie? OMG your blatant racism makes me want to puke all over your face. You people are idiots. As for the ?, I'd be more apt to vote for a candidate that doesn't attend church because churchy people (read hypocrites) also make me want to puke.
Just like right_thinker, someone who only agrees with you 99.9999% of the time, instead of an absolute 100% of the time, you consider a "typical lefty."
Now, go ahead and make your "Bickerstick" comment, so we can all get a good laugh at your schoolyard intellect again. :)
Hope you're taking some kind of meds for your delusions, tool.
I'm sorry. I was mistaken in calling you a tool. It's obvious that you are actually a sheep. Even your posting name can be conveniently shortened to "BAA"!
"... shortened to 'BAA'!"
While I don't condone name-calling, that is just funny. I hope even BAA could get a chuckle out of that one.
It was new to me this time, but oops. Guess I missed it the other 19 times.
Actually I'm not a lefty or liberal at all. LOL. Just shows what you know bornagaindbag. Truthfully all of you idiots are so busy lumping people into categories and calling each other names that you don't even have a clue what's actually going on around you. For that reason, I am sad for you.
And there you have it folks: The classy way to apologize to poor, innocent Gandalf for grossly misconstruing his comment and slamming him unjustly is to wrest attention to the deficiencies of all the other posters and pretend it never happened.
ACG probably thinks we were all too busy lumping people into categories, etc., to notice. As everyone knows--you can't goof around and spar with others on a news forum and be a thinking, analytical observer of global and national situations at the same time....
While it is true that acg's kneejerk reaction was colossally misguided, the whole brouhaha could've been avoided if you had been more precise about who you meant.
I don't know that anyone calls the man "Brownie." In fact, the only "Brownie" who came to my mind right away was the incompetent boob who was congratulated by another incompetent boob for doing "a heckuva job" during the Hurricane Katrina disaster.
For clarity's sake, perhaps you should have used a name we would all immediately recognize: Brownbarf, maybe, or Brownstain. ;-) (Just yanking your chain, of course...)
I'm kind of partial to Brownhack.
Now ask this question again, but instead of "doesn't attend church", substitute "is an atheist", see how your results change.
I would like to see this question, as well.
agreed. after all, this question makes an assumption that a candidate for president does/would not attend a syngague, shrine, mosque, or other place of worship...as if christianity were the only religion worth mentioning...
Doesn't change a thing for me.
Wow, no way! That's just crazy talk. Anyone who doesn't understand that God wants us to only elect Christians as our leaders probably shouldn't vote again until he/she reads The Bible more.
I would like to see a President that doesn't have to pray to make his decisions. One with his own set of nads. As for the ones that do pray, like Jimmy Carter, do they really believe someone is listening to them and giving them directions?
One need not go to church to be religious, and certainly some people who do go to church do so as a front. Someone's personal beliefs should not play into it, as long as they aren't claiming they will govern based on their beliefs.
Church, or house of worship?
Good point. A Synogogue, a Mosque, a Sikh Temple, a Hindu Temple, etc, etc. do not count.
I'll need to think about that one for a while. If god isn't telling The President in church what's going on, how will The President know what's best for me; then charge me at the rate he approves of for making sure my best interests are served.
also, how would the president know who to bomb?
Or which Americans to assassinate.
Actually, that one has proven pretty easy. Any who move to nations in which we are fighting wars to assist those we are fighting with and encourage the overthrow of America ... yep, those are the Americans to assassinate.
B, Americans have the right of due process. There are no exceptions.
Except in war, we don't grant due process to enemy soldiers.
Does an American who has joined with an enemy in war deserve due process, and what would that look like?
Would we have to go capture them, bring them back here, and put them on trial?
I have friends who are christian, I love and respect them. I also put my purse in a locked drawer when some one come's in wearing his religion like a pass.
I would open it up and buy them a pizza. One of my friends, who is a true christian is an ows, when she is off work, She stands up for the 99%. She is a great gal. hard working, good character. You wouldn't like her she is sweet, smart, beautiful and has a good character. Not a drinker. I take it you stand up for the 1%. Born again, you should get up off your hate and stand on Mass. If you cared about your country or it's families.
Yes, because reputation is always far more important than actual people.
That is ironic, my friend in NY sent me a quote that said "Worry about your character and not your reputation, because your character is who you are, and your reputation is only what people think of you. " I am not sure, maybe Walker? But if you think it is wrong to stand up for 99% don't do it. I think it is right. But my gosh don't be craven because your friends will think you are a hippy or think you don't have a work ethic because you stand up. I have heard the really stupid yell at people who have worked hard, 40 or more a week for over 45 years. they drive by, they yell?get a job". real stupid. Ignorant. That is easy to ignore once you decide to. I don't agree with you, I don't care more about what ignorant people think than I care about working families and this country. I love this country more than I care about stupid prejudices.
You have a choice. Stand up for working families or make up an alibi. You denigrate better people than you. There are thousands giving their time and taking risk to be heard. Cower, behind your prejudice but don't blame the teachers, workers, young people old people, they stand up. Just hide behind your hate.
You lie to yourself and then post a lie. A lot of working families are disgusted and standing up for themselves. You calling them fleabags is a disgusting and undeserved attack. You don't stand up for working families. You call them names.
Got pictures or a link? I haven't seen any of that and I've been following it for a month. I have seen some pretty questionable behavior by the NYPD, though.
My family was at OWS. they saw love and bravery. I was so proud of them. What do the tea's think? That Americans wouldn't stand up while jobs, pensions, homes were sold to support the 1%. A lot of hard working ethical people are standing up. The unemployed, the underemployed, ones without access to health care, the ones who lost their pensions to corporate crimes, the one who lost their homes, and watched the criminals get bailed with their tax money. the ones lucky enough to keep their jobs, to keep their homes, are standing up. They are not fleabags, they are the heart.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/15/1026845/-Middle-Class-Tourist-Visits-OWS,-Debunks-Myths-%28with-photos%29 My NY friends said this article are a fair depiction of what they experienced.
BAA, please show me where I have defended any of those actions, or even the OWS group at large. Thus far, I've been rather neutral on the whole OWS group. I'm waiting to see what comes of it.
Let me know when that rational person to interpret my comments comes along. You clearly do not qualify.
Come on, BornAgain. I've seen stories about the same, single person defecating on a cop car, so it would be a person, not people. I also saw a few different reports about a single act of public sex between two individuals. Lets not blow varying reports about two isolated incidents into a description of a population. Your common sense can be better than that.
I suppose we will be making progress when this question has to do with policy and not magical thinking. IKE was told during his campaign to 'be more religious.' He said something like: "After the election is over remind me to join a church." It is ironic he was the first to be snagged into the "Presidential Prayer Breakfast" when it was started by the cult that trained our esteemed Muscular Sam the Governor. ===========
IKE's speech: "All free government is firmly founded in a deeply felt religious faith. As long as you feed me grits and sausage, everything will be all right." Clearly, IKE was not as impressed with the cult as Sam was years later. (Sharlet, The Family. p. 197)
Just don't let Brownback ever become President, pleeezzzeee!
Could be that church going politicians who wear it on their arms and shove it down our throats are in fact masters of deception?
Reagan/Bush and Bush/Cheney were church going folk and look what we got for that. Both exercised their right to screw taxpayers with home loan schemes known as fraud.
The war for oil plus death and destruction got it's push from church going folks.
And oh my how about the ENTITLEMENT program for the wealthy at the expense of the middle class
Slow down! A candidate who isn't openly religious to the point that they complain when people point it out?
Perry complaining he gets crap for being christian...
Do you know this candidate? I"ll vote for em
Abraham Lincoln didn't belong to a church, and he did reasonably well. Which would you prefer? Abe or W?
True, he did not belong to a church. But, the very brief amount of research I did just now seems to indicate that he was a deeply religious man.
Not attending a church certainly does not mean that a person is not religious. It could mean no more than he is not going through the charade of showing it to other people.
Lincoln was a deist. He believed in God but not in organized religion. The stated question concerned attending church, which is an instrument of organized religion.
"all of the major religions are looking at the exact same thing, but from different viewpoints, and none of them describes the complete picture in its entirety."
- Ron Holzwarth
Lincoln should have been impeached for the tactics Sherman used in Georgia. Starving women and children is not the way Americans fight wars.
Church should not even be a factor in voting
Attending or not attending church has little, if any, basis for a person's character. This is really a stupid question, but considering the political atmosphere it's not surprising.
Christian faith was requisite for candidates for public office in many of the colonies. It has been historically the case that men and women seeking high office have been affiliated with various Christian denominations. If memory serves me, Methodist is the most frequently represented and Episcopal is quite common as well. Not only does it seem to matter to the American public, not well-represented by the comments here, but which particular denomination is question as well. Remember John Kennedy's Catholic faith?
However, we have voted for people who, even if they belong to a church, rarely attend. President Reagan would be an example and then, there's President Jimmy Carter, who continued to teach Sunday School as possible.
Since when are politicians appointed by God and cardinals elected?
Meet the church going RINO Party you know the group that over time effectively purged republicans from the republican party. Their church of choice must preach deceit, crime and insensitivity. Brownback is a RINO who learned his deceit, crime and insensitivity in the beltway.
For example crime,deceit and insensitivity that win Oscar awards:
Introducing the RINO Economic Plaftorm Written In Stone
TABOR is Coming by Grover Norquist and Koch Bros sells out state governments, public schools,SRS services etc etc to private industry = Grab Your Wallets!
The Reagan/Bush Savings and Loan Heist aka home loan scandal sent the economy out the window costing taxpayers many many $$ trillions (Cost taxpayers $1.4 trillion), Plus millions of jobs, loss of retirement plans and loss of medical insurance.
Wall Street Bank Fraud on Consumers $ trillions, millions of jobs, loss of retirement plans and loss of medical insurance. Déjà vu can we say. Yep seems to be a pattern.
ONLY 3 financial institutions instead of several were at risk so why $700 billion in bail out money? One of the biggest lies perpetrated to American citizens. Where did this money go? Why were some banks forced to take bail out money?
Tax cuts the ENTITLEMENT program for the wealthy which do nothing to make an economy strong or produce jobs. Tax cuts are a tax increase to others in order to make up the loss in revenue = duped again.
In the end big debt and super duper bailouts were the results which does not seem to bother Republicans, as long as they are in power.
In fact, by the time the second Bush left office, the national debt had grown to $12.1 trillion:
Over half of that amount had been created by Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy.
Another 30% of the national debt had been created by the tax cuts for the wealthy under Presidents Reagan and George H.W. Bush.
• Fully 81% of the national debt was created by just these three Republican Presidents.
No, I would vote for the candidate that was the next least distasteful and lied about being a practicing Christian. I would not waste my vote on someone who has no chance among my fellow zealots. Just like how intelligent republicans will not waste their vote on Jon Huntsman, because their fellow zealots know he is not a real Christian. Why Mitt has hovered at 23% for 6 months.
What is awesomely hilarious, I will get to ask my evangelical nut job brother and wife who they are going to vote for in 2012, the Mormon/The black pizza guy or the Muslim.
What is also funny is republicans are stuck with trying to get the racists and/or the evangelicals, to show up for the general election for a black guy or a Mormon.
Will their Anne Rand nature be more powerful than their Racism and Evangelicalism, Stayed tuned, HBO, Showtime and AMC could not create content this good.
Yes, it does not matter to me, if they are Churched or not. What matters to me is that they will lookout for ALL the people. And not just the wealthy people?
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