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Would you vote for a good candidate for president if he or she didn’t attend church?

Response Percent Votes
Yes
 
88% 589
No
 
11% 77
Total 666

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Gandalf 2 years, 11 months ago

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8ball 2 years, 11 months ago

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grammaddy 2 years, 11 months ago

That would be my ideal candidate.True separation of church and state.

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verity 2 years, 11 months ago

It really shouldn't matter whether a person goes to church or not. I'm not voting for a religion, I'm voting for principles.

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Stuart Evans 2 years, 11 months ago

he still became president because that's who the 'powers that be' chose. those slips of paper in the ballot box don't do squat.

Obama was the distraction. Look out for the actual play.

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beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

"To say “I am a Christian” is not enough. Why? Because the Christianity of the slaveholder is not the Christianity of the slave. The God to whom the slaveholders pray as they ride on the decks of the slave ship is not the God to whom the enslaved are praying as they ride beneath the decks on that slave ship."

Would you disagree? Slave owners calling themselves Christians is something that Christian slaves would question. Do you think the KKK are justified because they call themselves a Christian organization?

"You cannot do terrorism on other people and expect it never to come back on you."

Yep. Look at what has come back to the people who supported the terrorist acts on America. You aren't suggesting we should have just let Osama bin Laden slip by, are you? He deserved retribution.

“Fact number one: We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college. … Fact number two: Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run.”

I don't know if those numbers are correct, but if they are they certainly support the racism in our country. When the founding fathers owned slaves, it is pretty hard to deny that they country was founded on -- in part -- racism.

I could go on, but you get the point. Context also says a lot about the meaning of what someone is saying.

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Ron Holzwarth 2 years, 11 months ago

"Do you think the KKK are justified because they call themselves a Christian organization?"

I've often thought about what a KKK member would say if he were to actually meet Jesus Christ face to face.

First thing would be a derogatory slur referring to Him being a Jew. Next it would point to out that since he is good Christian, he not only doesn't associate with Jews, he doesn't allow a Jew to be around at all.

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jafs 2 years, 11 months ago

Yes.

It's interesting - Wright's comments go a bit over the edge, but there's a lot of truth to them as well.

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grammaddy 2 years, 11 months ago

That's what scared the hell out of everybody.Too much truth to everything he said.

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Liberty275 2 years, 11 months ago

Sure, if you use a christian bible to justify anything, whether it be not cursing or hating people that look different, you are still christian.

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Liberty275 2 years, 11 months ago

"Fact number one: We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college"

Specious logic. You need to prove why they are in prison, not merely rely on their existence in prison because it fits your argument.

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parrothead8 2 years, 11 months ago

It's funny how you don't mention the fact that Obama also denounced Wright as wrong and bigoted, saying that the man had changed drastically from the time he was Obama's pastor. You're as selectively ignorant as the "lame stream media" you denounce.

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acg 2 years, 11 months ago

Brownie? OMG your blatant racism makes me want to puke all over your face. You people are idiots. As for the ?, I'd be more apt to vote for a candidate that doesn't attend church because churchy people (read hypocrites) also make me want to puke.

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beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

"... shortened to 'BAA'!"

While I don't condone name-calling, that is just funny. I hope even BAA could get a chuckle out of that one.

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beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

It was new to me this time, but oops. Guess I missed it the other 19 times.

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acg 2 years, 11 months ago

Actually I'm not a lefty or liberal at all. LOL. Just shows what you know bornagaindbag. Truthfully all of you idiots are so busy lumping people into categories and calling each other names that you don't even have a clue what's actually going on around you. For that reason, I am sad for you.

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kernal 2 years, 11 months ago

I'm kind of partial to Brownhack.

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Stuart Evans 2 years, 11 months ago

Now ask this question again, but instead of "doesn't attend church", substitute "is an atheist", see how your results change.

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Glenn Reed 2 years, 11 months ago

I would like to see this question, as well.

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jazzbunny1 2 years, 11 months ago

agreed. after all, this question makes an assumption that a candidate for president does/would not attend a syngague, shrine, mosque, or other place of worship...as if christianity were the only religion worth mentioning...

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grammaddy 2 years, 11 months ago

Doesn't change a thing for me.

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1029 2 years, 11 months ago

Wow, no way! That's just crazy talk. Anyone who doesn't understand that God wants us to only elect Christians as our leaders probably shouldn't vote again until he/she reads The Bible more.

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50YearResident 2 years, 11 months ago

I would like to see a President that doesn't have to pray to make his decisions. One with his own set of nads. As for the ones that do pray, like Jimmy Carter, do they really believe someone is listening to them and giving them directions?

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beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

One need not go to church to be religious, and certainly some people who do go to church do so as a front. Someone's personal beliefs should not play into it, as long as they aren't claiming they will govern based on their beliefs.

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Ron Holzwarth 2 years, 11 months ago

Good point. A Synogogue, a Mosque, a Sikh Temple, a Hindu Temple, etc, etc. do not count.

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Liberty275 2 years, 11 months ago

I'll need to think about that one for a while. If god isn't telling The President in church what's going on, how will The President know what's best for me; then charge me at the rate he approves of for making sure my best interests are served.

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gudpoynt 2 years, 11 months ago

also, how would the president know who to bomb?

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Liberty275 2 years, 11 months ago

Or which Americans to assassinate.

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beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

Actually, that one has proven pretty easy. Any who move to nations in which we are fighting wars to assist those we are fighting with and encourage the overthrow of America ... yep, those are the Americans to assassinate.

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Liberty275 2 years, 11 months ago

B, Americans have the right of due process. There are no exceptions.

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jafs 2 years, 11 months ago

Except in war, we don't grant due process to enemy soldiers.

Does an American who has joined with an enemy in war deserve due process, and what would that look like?

Would we have to go capture them, bring them back here, and put them on trial?

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pace 2 years, 11 months ago

I have friends who are christian, I love and respect them. I also put my purse in a locked drawer when some one come's in wearing his religion like a pass.

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pace 2 years, 11 months ago

I would open it up and buy them a pizza. One of my friends, who is a true christian is an ows, when she is off work, She stands up for the 99%. She is a great gal. hard working, good character. You wouldn't like her she is sweet, smart, beautiful and has a good character. Not a drinker. I take it you stand up for the 1%. Born again, you should get up off your hate and stand on Mass. If you cared about your country or it's families.

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beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

Yes, because reputation is always far more important than actual people.

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pace 2 years, 11 months ago

That is ironic, my friend in NY sent me a quote that said "Worry about your character and not your reputation, because your character is who you are, and your reputation is only what people think of you. " I am not sure, maybe Walker? But if you think it is wrong to stand up for 99% don't do it. I think it is right. But my gosh don't be craven because your friends will think you are a hippy or think you don't have a work ethic because you stand up. I have heard the really stupid yell at people who have worked hard, 40 or more a week for over 45 years. they drive by, they yell?get a job". real stupid. Ignorant. That is easy to ignore once you decide to. I don't agree with you, I don't care more about what ignorant people think than I care about working families and this country. I love this country more than I care about stupid prejudices.

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pace 2 years, 11 months ago

You have a choice. Stand up for working families or make up an alibi. You denigrate better people than you. There are thousands giving their time and taking risk to be heard. Cower, behind your prejudice but don't blame the teachers, workers, young people old people, they stand up. Just hide behind your hate.

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pace 2 years, 11 months ago

You lie to yourself and then post a lie. A lot of working families are disgusted and standing up for themselves. You calling them fleabags is a disgusting and undeserved attack. You don't stand up for working families. You call them names.

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grammaddy 2 years, 11 months ago

Got pictures or a link? I haven't seen any of that and I've been following it for a month. I have seen some pretty questionable behavior by the NYPD, though.

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pace 2 years, 11 months ago

My family was at OWS. they saw love and bravery. I was so proud of them. What do the tea's think? That Americans wouldn't stand up while jobs, pensions, homes were sold to support the 1%. A lot of hard working ethical people are standing up. The unemployed, the underemployed, ones without access to health care, the ones who lost their pensions to corporate crimes, the one who lost their homes, and watched the criminals get bailed with their tax money. the ones lucky enough to keep their jobs, to keep their homes, are standing up. They are not fleabags, they are the heart.

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beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

BAA, please show me where I have defended any of those actions, or even the OWS group at large. Thus far, I've been rather neutral on the whole OWS group. I'm waiting to see what comes of it.

Just saying.

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beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

Let me know when that rational person to interpret my comments comes along. You clearly do not qualify.

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mcmandy 2 years, 11 months ago

Come on, BornAgain. I've seen stories about the same, single person defecating on a cop car, so it would be a person, not people. I also saw a few different reports about a single act of public sex between two individuals. Lets not blow varying reports about two isolated incidents into a description of a population. Your common sense can be better than that.

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Christine Anderson 2 years, 11 months ago

Just don't let Brownback ever become President, pleeezzzeee!

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 11 months ago

Could be that church going politicians who wear it on their arms and shove it down our throats are in fact masters of deception?

Reagan/Bush and Bush/Cheney were church going folk and look what we got for that. Both exercised their right to screw taxpayers with home loan schemes known as fraud.

The war for oil plus death and destruction got it's push from church going folks.

And oh my how about the ENTITLEMENT program for the wealthy at the expense of the middle class http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2001/0301miller.html

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Trobs 2 years, 11 months ago

Slow down! A candidate who isn't openly religious to the point that they complain when people point it out?

Perry complaining he gets crap for being christian...

Do you know this candidate? I"ll vote for em

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Newell_Post 2 years, 11 months ago

Abraham Lincoln didn't belong to a church, and he did reasonably well. Which would you prefer? Abe or W?

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Ron Holzwarth 2 years, 11 months ago

True, he did not belong to a church. But, the very brief amount of research I did just now seems to indicate that he was a deeply religious man.

Not attending a church certainly does not mean that a person is not religious. It could mean no more than he is not going through the charade of showing it to other people.

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Newell_Post 2 years, 11 months ago

Lincoln was a deist. He believed in God but not in organized religion. The stated question concerned attending church, which is an instrument of organized religion.

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Ron Holzwarth 2 years, 11 months ago

"all of the major religions are looking at the exact same thing, but from different viewpoints, and none of them describes the complete picture in its entirety." - Ron Holzwarth

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Liberty275 2 years, 11 months ago

Lincoln should have been impeached for the tactics Sherman used in Georgia. Starving women and children is not the way Americans fight wars.

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cletus26 2 years, 11 months ago

Church should not even be a factor in voting

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kernal 2 years, 11 months ago

Attending or not attending church has little, if any, basis for a person's character. This is really a stupid question, but considering the political atmosphere it's not surprising.

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purplesage 2 years, 11 months ago

Christian faith was requisite for candidates for public office in many of the colonies. It has been historically the case that men and women seeking high office have been affiliated with various Christian denominations. If memory serves me, Methodist is the most frequently represented and Episcopal is quite common as well. Not only does it seem to matter to the American public, not well-represented by the comments here, but which particular denomination is question as well. Remember John Kennedy's Catholic faith?

However, we have voted for people who, even if they belong to a church, rarely attend. President Reagan would be an example and then, there's President Jimmy Carter, who continued to teach Sunday School as possible.

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Armored_One 2 years, 11 months ago

Since when are politicians appointed by God and cardinals elected?

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 11 months ago

Meet the church going RINO Party you know the group that over time effectively purged republicans from the republican party. Their church of choice must preach deceit, crime and insensitivity. Brownback is a RINO who learned his deceit, crime and insensitivity in the beltway.

For example crime,deceit and insensitivity that win Oscar awards:

Introducing the RINO Economic Plaftorm Written In Stone

  1. TABOR is Coming by Grover Norquist and Koch Bros sells out state governments, public schools,SRS services etc etc to private industry = Grab Your Wallets! http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2005/0705rebne.html

  2. The Reagan/Bush Savings and Loan Heist aka home loan scandal sent the economy out the window costing taxpayers many many $$ trillions (Cost taxpayers $1.4 trillion), Plus millions of jobs, loss of retirement plans and loss of medical insurance. http://rationalrevolution0.tripod.com/war/bush_family_and_the_s.htm

  3. Wall Street Bank Fraud on Consumers $ trillions, millions of jobs, loss of retirement plans and loss of medical insurance. Déjà vu can we say. Yep seems to be a pattern. http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2009/0709macewan.html

  4. ONLY 3 financial institutions instead of several were at risk so why $700 billion in bail out money? One of the biggest lies perpetrated to American citizens. Where did this money go? Why were some banks forced to take bail out money? http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/10/good_billions_after_bad_one_year

Tax cuts the ENTITLEMENT program for the wealthy which do nothing to make an economy strong or produce jobs. Tax cuts are a tax increase to others in order to make up the loss in revenue = duped again.

  1. Still A Bad Idea – Bush Tax Cuts - The ENTITLEMENT program for the wealthy at the expense of the middle class = duped one more time. http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2001/0301miller.html

In the end big debt and super duper bailouts were the results which does not seem to bother Republicans, as long as they are in power.

In fact, by the time the second Bush left office, the national debt had grown to $12.1 trillion:

  • Over half of that amount had been created by Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy.

  • Another 30% of the national debt had been created by the tax cuts for the wealthy under Presidents Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

• Fully 81% of the national debt was created by just these three Republican Presidents. http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2010/0111orr.html

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bolshavik_vw 2 years, 11 months ago

Yes, it does not matter to me, if they are Churched or not. What matters to me is that they will lookout for ALL the people. And not just the wealthy people?

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