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I think a flame thrower would be more appropriate than pepper spray.
Absolutely not. Too much chance of missing. Batons, dogs, fire hoses and riot guns.
German Shepherd police dogs would be abetter choice...
One word, YES!!!
I'll just bet that if all us hard working tax payers showed up to picket our local welfare office there would be no objection to the use of pepper spray!
In other news about criminals: http://bigjournalism.com/jjmnolte/2011/10/28/occupywallstreet-the-rap-sheet-so-far/
Very very happy to see most the big encampments are being taken down by their local authorities. The tent cities look nasty, police can't work fast enough in my opinion.
Just say no to pepper spray.
bolsy, should they be allowed to hurt each other? Or innocent by-standers?
Not until they act like they are going to hurt someone of Authority, otherwise no. Leave these people alone and let them express themselves. They have the right to, they along with the rest of us have been ripped off by the Government for over 30 years.
I’m talkin Power to the people, but don't be so uptight
It's not criminal violence I'm trying to incite
But if you don't see a problem then you don't know where to look
check your federal reserve appointed-politician-crook
interest-free bailout loans but only wealthy need apply
So for the other 99% it's time to OCCUPY!
(Smash It Grab It OCCUPY...the video!)
I say let em do what they want, I have to get to work to make a living....
Wall Street grabbings
And trying to avoid the hobo stabbings
On my iPhone
With my last tweet
Jews on Wall Street
Please don't worry
'Cause my Guy Fawkes mask repels tuberculosis
We are saving
This whole nation
With some squad car
We went marching
And got applauded by the Nazi Party
There's a raping
Every day now
Some are straight and
Some are gay now
In the food tent over by the Ben & Jerry's ..."
Most of any arguments for protesting in this way are wasted words. The real heroes in this tough economic situation are the volunteer workers and dedicated warm-hearted people who actually DO something. They volunteer their hands and backs, they give of what little money they have, they share warm meals, they help rehab run down homes and neighborhoods, they provide a listening ear and a help with children...and on and on and on. What they DO NOT do is trespass, steal signs, chant and scream at places where they are not welcome, block sidewalks and roadways, sit for hours holding signs in public places, reset tents in places when they have been asked to move due to sanitary and safety issues, and on and on and on.
Told the kids to get up from in front of the TV and get ready to go to the relatives for Thanksgiving. They ignored me so I pepper sprayed them
Husband was watching a football game last night and the phone rang four times. He wouldn't answer it so I pepper sprayed him.
I told the dog to hurry up with his business and he kept running around sniffing trees and tires. So I pepper sprayed him.
My kid's teacher told the kids to get out their math books. Little Kevin was day dreaming out the window and didn't hear her. So she pepper sprayed him.
Darn crowd wouldn't get out of my way on Black Friday. So I pepper sprayed them.
Megyn Kelly claimed on Bill O'Reilly's show that pepper spray is a "food product". She's been challenged to drink a quart of it.
It's obvious that the 55 % who voted no also think we should just rip up the Bill of Rights. Who cares about their freedom anymore?!
I'm thinking Jeffrey Dahmer might have used pepper spray on occasion.
All the born wackos and aggressive street harassers of Lawrence who think they are authorized to approach and mess with complete strangers, meanwhile robbing other people of any decent sense of safety in public space, deserve a fate worse than pepper spray. Who would train up aggressive no-nothings to dominate and terrify others with their frighteningly ignorant demand to be recognized as "helpful."? If someone you approach says they feel messed with I think you better listen. No one incapable of basic listening skills has any ability to help. The two skills kind of go together. Dig? It's others' call if you're welcome in their lives, blind, hateful harassers. Some people may just happen to be on "nut diet," and so not welcome idiots to approach them.
Tea Party shows up carrying weapons and openly talking about insurrection: 24-7 media coverage, total hijack of an entire political party , and setting the agenda for every legislative process for 2 years.
Unarmed Occupiers start getting people questioning why our government and economy both are a rigged system to benefit the extremely wealthy?
In come the riot cops.
"Should pepper spray be used to deal with Occupy protesters?" If the situation dictates. And in the case of UC Davis it clearly did not.
Why not salt spray?
Saw a great macro meme today. Picture of a WBC protest. Caption says, "20 years of this s**t and no pepper spray. What's wrong with this?"
Unfortunately the arguments are only as strong as those who deliver them, and so far that has been fairly ineffective locally. Living here all my life and asking hundreds of people for an opinion on local protests, most people have no idea what I am talking about or who they even are. I agree that things are difficult, jobs are hard to find, people are losing their homes, the rich are getting richer, etc. The problem is the approach being used to file those complaints is often being perceived as nothing more than a big tempter tantrum. I think it would be beneficial for those who want effect protesting to listen to how they are being received and make some changes, just saying.
The constant refrain of denigrating the protesters is such an old hat trick. Look here, don't look at the facts. Don't examine the economics. Is congress corrupt? Should some Wall Street and Banks officials go to prison? Follow the money, it is sitting in fat portfolios, sent out in envelopes marked save the economy, directly to those that broke it. We are discussing how brutal do we get to be to those crying "look behind the curtain.". Peaceful protest should not just be tolerated, the issues should be on the table for discussion.
Hooligan_016 (anonymous) says…
How about everyone do a Google image search of "fire hose civil rights" and tell me what you see.
November 23, 2011 at 11:54 a.m.
Is that your way of saying the Occupy people need a bath?
It's obvious that the 44 % who voted yes also think we should just rip up the Bill of Rights. Who cares about their freedom anymore?!
Class clown. I was just thinking that, call in an air strike. Remember there are very few problems that can't be cured with the use of high explosives :) for all you serious types, just kidding............
Crop dusters would be more efficient at dispersing pepper spray.
How about everyone do a Google image search of "fire hose civil rights" and tell me what you see.
I voted yes, but I do not agree with the hosing down of sitting protestors. I was very angry when I saw it on tv. The protestors should have been arrested, by pulling them up and handcuffing them. It appeared to be a sit down type of protest at the time. Of course, the hosing down of the protestors could be shown out of context. I would very much like to know what happened before and after that event. Peace officers are taught to use the least amount of force necessary to get the job done, then escalate levels of force as needed. I think that officer lost control when he did that, unless there are things that we are not being told. If he did, it makes all peace officers look bad.
It would depend on the situation.
I mean if you are asking if it okay for NAZI republicans to just spray them because they disagree with the movement or just do not like people with differing views, then I think that is very wrong and contra to the concept I believed or used to believe America was all about.
You see I still think the First Amendment applies to everyone -- I realize the conservative right feels it only applies to those that beat on their version of the bible and waive their flag and support their views --- but I still think it applies to everyone. I am kind of old school radical on that one.
I realize as the Nation gets dumber, it is buying into this conservative crap more and more and I am sort of minority on civil liberties and civil rights. By civil liberties, I am talking about not letting government interfere with my right to make my decisions. Not the conservative view which is freedom from tax regulation which (other then the Bible) is all they care about.
Hey, is any wonder the conservatives support cutting the budget of the schools? Dumb people support them so conservatives do not want liberal schools undermining them with things like logic and reason..
The dumber the better, right?
I put pepper on my baked taters
Ok, it depends.
Just how bad did they smell?
But seriously folks, pepper spray is a waste. Should have gone with the soap-n-water cannons.
A better way to dispurse a crowd is to ignore it. If a protest goes unheard does it really exist? Eventually protesters will get bored and go home if no one comes to see them. No harm, no foul.
Everyone bitches about lethal force being used, then they bitch about non-lethal force. I damned well guarantee you the first time a cop pepper sprays someone attacking them, they will sing the praises of pepper spray.
But, since it is just sooooo horrible, I guess the civilian version, which is only .02 less in intensity than police issue, needs to be removed from the shelves. What's that? What about people fending off a rapist, you say? If it is cruel and inhumane for a police officer to use it, then it is cruel and inhumane for ANYONE to use it. Claiming anything, and I mean ANYTHING else, is hypocrisy in so many directions it's not even funny.
Absolutely. And they should also use pepper spray on people who don't use their turn signals.
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Obama to Occupy Wall St. Protesters: "You are the reason I ran for office."
A group of lawless fleabaggers began yelling at Obama today as he began his speech in Manchester, NH. In previous months, Obama has been interrupted during speeches in San Fransicko and ultra liberal Hollywood, CA. Kids will be kids!
The use of pepper spray when a person breaks the law is to protect the police in case the person breaking the law might somehow endanger the police. When someone is stopped for speeding, failure to yield, littering, jaywalking, breaking park curfew, any law or infraction of rule or policy, the police should pepper spray them, baton them, or even kill them if necessary. There is no need for a citizen review board, it places an undue burden on the officer in the field. The courts are not in the field, the citizen's review board is not in the field.
We should not second guess the use of force in a matter of these peaceful protests. The constitution should protect the police not these people. I don't care if they are the tea party or OWS or just a little old lady who is driving too slow. The law is the law. Spray them, move them along, keep the traffic moving. If an elected or appointed official wants the protest to end, for people to shut up, it should end, they should shut the heck up. It is disturbance of the peace. Plain and simple.
Refuse a lawful order to disperse, expect consequences.
Oldsoul: Good point. Just ask Nick the Pinball wizard's relatives. When the cops blew his head open in front of the Gaslight, the investigation went something like: "Who fired their gun and killed this kid who was running away from you?"
"Ummmmmmm..........we don't know."
"OK, you can all go home now."
As opposed to what? Polite suggestions? Sure beats getting a bullet spray like the folks trying their own occupy movements in Egypt and Syria are getting.
I'd rather be outright beaten or pepper-sprayed than subject to the sickening, lying, underhanded southern-justice framing the KU cops are famous for! I l prefer my violence and hatred honest--none of the unconscious, kiss-to-kill bigots that populate KS for me.
At first I thought the films were taken from the sixties and the protesters were for civil rights or against the war. It was the same thing. Some cops with a certain mind set will always, apparently, be around. Thugs with crisp uniforms.
Aw hell, it'll give 'em sumpin' to laugh about and tell their grandkids. By then they will have embellished it enough to seem like they really accomplished . . squat.
Isn't this what "drive mode" on a Taser is for?
Ya see, they never qualify the questions. Spraying people: wrong. Spraying people causing a riot/breaking the law/compromising public safety...maybe. Such a grey area at times. I would just hate to see it dissolve to the point of my youtube link. I can say from direct experience that pepper spray will modify you immediate attitude very quickly.
In other "dude, I'm really angry" news: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view/2011_1122speech_is_free_for_occupiers_alone/
How do you remove protesters? Or do some agree just let them stay where they are at for as long as they want? Just curious as I have no answer.....
The solution is simple: prosecute any police officer who does this for assault and battery. Throw them in jail with the general population and see how they like prison. That will stop them from violently attacking innocent people.
"Don't people learn. What kind of decent human being would spray pepper spray on other people for protesting?"
My old roommates back in the late '60's? Yup, they would be out drinkin' and if I was asleep when they got home . . .
Woke up once standing in the middle of Tennessee St. in my skivvies, snot and tears rollin' off my face.
Oh, wait. You said "decent".
I can't believe you even thought it was necessary to ask this question.
If the protesters suddenly turned violent, sure, pepper spray them. Otherwise, WTH, why you gonna pepper spray peaceful protestors??
Ohio - Crosby Stills Nash and Young
Don't people learn. What kind of decent human being would spray pepper spray on other people for protesting?
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