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Do you think the city should allow the use of artificial turf in landscaping for businesses and apartment complexes?

Response Percent Votes
No, it’s unattractive and expensive to install
 
53% 432
Yes, it’s easier to maintain
 
39% 318
I’m not sure
 
7% 58
Total 808

Comments

IgnorantYokel 3 years, 7 months ago

I don't want to live a world where there's artificial turf at apartment complexes.

skinny 3 years, 7 months ago

There are several business that are already using artificial turf. They can use it if they want. Last time I checked this was a free country!

Bill Lee 3 years, 7 months ago

Even free countries have zoning laws.

blindrabbit 3 years, 7 months ago

If allowed by the City, developers who use this option should be required to remove grass at the personal residence and install what they use at their developments.

KS_Man 3 years, 7 months ago

Amen Skinny! If the business or apartment complex wants to put it in, by all means, go for it. Seems green to me. No fertilizers or pesticides needed. No need to pay someone to mow the grass with a gas-consuming lawnmower that pollutes the air.

overthemoon 3 years, 7 months ago

What impact does artificial turf have on storm water run-off. I'm guessing its about like concrete and so would increase the impermeable area of the lot. There would be the answer.

TNPlates 3 years, 7 months ago

I disagree. It may look nice after they've vacuumed it, but when I last passed by the Oread a couple weeks ago, it looked like a dirty carpet with wood chips, cigarette butts and other debris. Artificial turf, like grass, requires maintenance to look good and I'm not sure that artificial turf will look good for long.

Flap Doodle 3 years, 7 months ago

Internal combustion lawnmowers should be banned. Not doing that would be dumb and irresponsible !!!!!

kantubek 3 years, 7 months ago

Xeriscaping would be a more attractive alternative.

Scruggsy 3 years, 7 months ago

I vote no. I used to live in a house that was more than slightly affected by increased runoff from increased development. It's all about the millionaires trying to get out of some basic maintenance.. If you can't swing those costs, don't build it.

rockchalker52 3 years, 7 months ago

Real grass, baby. Yes to K-31 fescue. No, to K-2 synthetic. How about some aluminum asters & wrought-iron rhododendrons for accent?

John Hamm 3 years, 7 months ago

overland park tried it - looked like H!

sundancewierdo 3 years, 7 months ago

How much would it cost to have it vacuumed regularly?

Newell_Post 3 years, 7 months ago

It's not maintenance free. To keep it looking good, you have to shampoo it like carpet. What with cigarette burns, chewing gum, etc., natural grass is "self healing" and generally much better.

Eride 3 years, 7 months ago

This is what I was thinking, What about all of the dogs the residents have? At least in my experience they let their animals poop all over the place and never pick it up. At least with grass it will eventually decompose... how would all of that stuff work with turf?

I think the "decreased" maintenance costs might be imaginary. This is ignoring the issue of drainage which is also rather important.

Erin Graham 3 years, 7 months ago

New poll:

"Do they smoke grass out in space, Bowie, or do they smoke 'astro'-turf?"

Robert Rauktis 3 years, 7 months ago

That's what you need ... more impervious surface.

ksengineer 3 years, 7 months ago

This is not exactly impervious. Water flows through the "grass" to a drainage layer underneath. I'm sure the different drainage systems vary, but I'm imagining a layer of clean sand with perforated collector pipes running through it. I think that this type of system would generate somewhat less stormwater runoff than a truly impervious surface but more than a live grass lawn.

Richard Heckler 3 years, 7 months ago

It is a phoney product that will not decompose. How much more of this do we need? Nothing like Lawrence,kansas moving backwards into brown thinking.

What about the drainage issue? How does it drain? Does it allow moisture to soak in? It will add to flooding problems.

Don't want to mow?

  1. That is understandable

  2. Plant perennial Kansas gardens with large grasses,shrubs and wildflowers then mulch with rock

  3. Create Rock gardens blended with shrubs with weed control beneath small rocks to allow for moisture to soak.

  4. Create only rock gardens that allow moisture to soak = very few weed problems

poolside 3 years, 7 months ago

I doubt this is what the planners of Horizon 2020 were thinking when they planned green space. There are so many reasons to NO so very loudly!

newmedia 3 years, 7 months ago

You bet. Most toupee's look stupid also but that doesn't keep people from wearing them!

Don Whiteley 3 years, 7 months ago

With the price of Lawrence water keeping pace with the price of gold, artificial turf has GOT to be a less expensive, long-term solution.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 7 months ago

Yea, if you insist on planting a type of grass that is better suited to areas with greater and more consistent rainfall.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 7 months ago

The description under "yes" in this poll (it’s easier to maintain) is pretty much the complete list of the advantages of artificial turf, and it probably isn't even true for all conditions.

But the description under "no" would probably need to be at least a full paragraph to describe the disadvantages.

pizzapete 3 years, 7 months ago

Where is the NO, it goes against the laws of nature option?

TNPlates 3 years, 7 months ago

Do we really want to live in a town that is a facade? Where everything looks good on the surface, but is completely fake beneath? Do we want Lawrence to become Disneyland where looking good is more important than being real? I don't.

Artificial turf is a bad idea for anything outside an athletic stadium (and I'm not convinced it's a good idea there either, but it's a different circumstance). If a developer wants to use it, let them use it inside their building or courtyard, but not outside. Does the city really need to study this, diverting resources from more important and less obvious issues?

They should require the developers who've gone against code to remove the turf and put something else there that conforms with code. If the developers want to petition the city after that and ask for a variance for a future project, then the city can discuss, not after somebody has broke the rules.

lawupsman 3 years, 7 months ago

I suppose most of the nay saying men commenters are opposed to fake breasts as well? Tuckaway apartments at Boardwalk looks incredible! thanks for cleaning up a complete eyesore known as boardwalk apartments. That place was about to fall apart. Wonder how the neighbors feel? Haters keep hating....ya got nothing more productive to do?

SpeedRacer 3 years, 7 months ago

It is hot and retains heat which increases the overall temperature of the area, waste (leaves, droppings, etc.) does not break down, it eventually fades and wears out, it provides no food sources for birds and small animals, snow removal salts/chemicals damage it. I have very little faith in the owners providing the amount of maintenance necessary to keep it looking nice. If Lawrence is going to insist on grassy looking areas, then it should be real grass. Otherwise, alternative landscaping options should be allowed.

kancan5 3 years, 7 months ago

How many ways are there to spell "tacky" ? . . . A-S-T-R-O-T-U-R-F maybe? Hard to believe we have become so "plastic" that we would consider turf instead of real grass in a place where people live, not a business or sports complex, but where we live. Have you ever played on turf? Imagine the rug burn on your kids knees. And consider the actual 'heat' burn you could get from a plastic surface out in July sun. Ever walk across the KU stadium turf on a hot summer day? Its a good 15-20 degrees hotter out there in the middle of it. If its really low maintenance they want, I would consider ornamental rock surfaces before I would consider turf. I have a small turf rug on the porch for scraping shoes, etc, and I know how tacky it looks after a while, I replace it about every year. I don't believe they are lower maintenance than real grass, unless their standards of general maintenace are low to begin with. I want a natural lawn; its cooler, safer, more inviting, and in the long run I think cheaper.

tbaker 3 years, 7 months ago

We need a 4th category:

Determining what kind of ground covering a property owner is "alllowed" to use is not something government should be involved in.

pizzapete 3 years, 7 months ago

Yea, what right does the government have to make up laws? People should be allowed to do whatever they want without the government getting involved.

tbaker 3 years, 6 months ago

Sigh....if whatever the person is doing with their property in no way harms another person (aka deminishes the value of nieghboring property, etc) then what that person is doing IS NOT the business of government. Determining whether or not a person's behavior is injurious to another is the function of the courts - not city government.

Reuben Turner 3 years, 7 months ago

how will that effect the mowing business?

whats_going_on 3 years, 7 months ago

I don't really care, but I don't like the idea of jobs getting cut where people used to do landscaping and mowing. That stinks of the FM douche.

Notabonehead 3 years, 7 months ago

What a poor choice! Do we prefer artificial fake grass surrounding our concrete and asphalt parking lots or is it better to sterilize the earth of all native plant species and plant a hybird fescue which is kept as a monospecies by fertilizer, pesticide and herbicide that is constantly washed away by sprinkler systems?

posternutbag 3 years, 7 months ago

If it was good enough for the Brady Bunch, it's good enough for Lawrence dammit!

gorilla10 3 years, 7 months ago

My yard is turf!!! Everyone absolutely loves it in my neighborhood. I hold team baseball and football practices in my backyard. Looks great, no mess, no mowing, green all year!!!

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