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Sam Brownback was the only other governor to attend the prayer rally hosted by Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who has said he will likely run for president. Do you think Brownback would make a good vice presidential candidate on that ticket?

Response Percent Votes
He’d pair well with Perry, but I’d never vote for them.
60% 836
I think it’s a bad idea for some other reason (Tell us in the comments.)
17% 247
I can see myself voting for that ticket.
11% 153
Perry can do better.
9% 138
Brownback can do better.
0% 12
Total 1386


meggers 6 years, 10 months ago

You should have the option of: Only if he resigns as governor to run.

Also, there is a typo in the description of the poll. Like should be likely.

tourmalane 6 years, 10 months ago

I agree. Anything to get him out of Kansas early. Theocracy anyone?

Fossick 6 years, 10 months ago

We need a Constitutional Amendment that will make Joe Biden the Veep forever.

LogicMan 6 years, 10 months ago

Biden's response:

"That's a &#^%! big idea!"

beatrice 6 years, 10 months ago

Perry and Brownback prayed this weekend in a very visable manner for god to get involved in fixing what is wrong with America. Monday, god responded by letting the stock market crash. Could there be a clearer sign that god doesn't want Perry or Brownback in office?

Danielle Brunin 6 years, 10 months ago

LOL! That gave me a good chuckle for the afternoon.

sonichronique 6 years, 10 months ago

Matthew 6:5: "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full."

Spangler 6 years, 10 months ago

You're intentionally misinterpreting the Holy Scriptures in order to slam our next President. You'll pay for that!

Glenn Reed 6 years, 10 months ago

Correlation at its finest.

Thanks, Beatrice, you made me smile this morning. :)

Laura Wilson 6 years, 10 months ago

I wouldn't vote for either of them if they paid me a million bucks to. Though I have to agree with Autie, so maybe they should go for it.

Really wanted the "heck no way" option in this poll except a bit harsher than heck.

Maddy Griffin 6 years, 10 months ago

Hillary has to run first. It's my understanding that she's retiring from public office at the end of 2012. Doesn't sound to me like she's at all interested. She has more class than to challenege her boss.

beatrice 6 years, 10 months ago

So I'm guessing you wish you hadn't been wearing that "Anyone but Hillary" shirt back in 2007 after all?

Maddy Griffin 6 years, 10 months ago

I wouldn't vote for either one as dog-catcher, let alone POTUS.

Jean Robart 6 years, 10 months ago

I wouldn't vote for that ticket--but i sure wouldn't vote for the Democrat alternative either.

Paul R Getto 6 years, 10 months ago

Mullah Sam and Rick, the Hair, Perry would make a great leadership team........... for Afghanistan. They would be comfortable with the theocracy there and Allah is the same skygod as their own Yahweh....just need to make a few cosmetic changes in religious practice and they'd be ready to go. Wonder if they can create a Muscular Muhammad to go along with the union-busting jesus the cult already worships? Interesting thought.

Scott Morgan 6 years, 10 months ago

Wowzer, stand back haters and think about your complaining. How far is this nation drifting? People are harassing somebody for being religious.

Hope I'm not around to see it, but you folks may someday get whatever the heck you want.

Learn history.

When a nation moves to a dictatorship, the trendy malcontents usually end up in shallow mass graves.

TikiLee 6 years, 10 months ago

I don't see anyone harassing anyone for being religious. What I see are people decrying hypocrisy.

Religious people of all walks of life help their fellow man, as directed by any number of Holy Books. Religious people of all walks of life are humble, as directed by any number of Holy Books.

"Religious" people like Govs. Brownback and Perry use their "faith" to bludgeon their fellow man, and call it helping. They stand on the mountaintop and shout their "piety" for all to see, and say it's modest.

THAT is what people are calling out.

Scott Morgan 6 years, 10 months ago

TikiLee, perhaps Brownback and people like me see entitlements as evil.

Not for people who really need the boost, but healthy Americans of generational institutional poverty. I get headaches and have 4 children so I can't work? My leg hurts, I am scared, I am being trained for the 24th time in a job training situation while I keep my welfare.

Generational poverty so engrained one can predict the failure of a 15 year old just by looking at them in a social setting. A system of welfare so evil people some never understand why life is so unfair. A system so evil, many trapped will never ever know the pride of laying on a coat of paint on a wall they own.

A system so evil, success is getting a better Section 8 apartment. Momma, can we ever get a nice new car? No, we can only own a vehicle under 3000.00, the state says so. Why momma? Success defined by the system finally giving up and letting them live out their life on the dole.

It makes me sick, I do mean ill, seeing a mom and gaggle of kids she can't afford punching out food stamp cards. Those kids know, they understand being part of a lower class.

Our welfare system doesn't work. The only people who prosper are the thieves realizing big money is in administration and getting as far away from actually working with people.

Tiki, ever notice how many of the few who escape our welfare system are rural and give much thanks to the church?

Kendall Simmons 6 years, 10 months ago

Wow! What a bunch of mean-spirited assumptions.

Pastor_Bedtime 6 years, 10 months ago

We're not merely "hating" or "complaining" about the fact that Brownback has religion. It's the fact that he wants to dictate his beliefs on others. Did you know that the Texas prayer meeting "...was financed by the American Family Association, a Tupelo, Miss.-based group that opposes abortion and gay rights and believes that the First Amendment freedom of religion applies only to Christians. "

Here we have an extremist group attempting to create a religious "dictatorship" (to use your terms), focused on bullying and silencing the nonbeliever.

Scott Morgan 6 years, 10 months ago

How is Brownback being Evangelical?

I see a heck of a lot more of "do as I say" from the other side of the fence. For example a first lady who wants to look in my refrigerator. Or worse, have the IRS and National Medical Association look in my fridge.

Kendall Simmons 6 years, 10 months ago

She doesn't want anyone but YOU to look in your refrigerator... and then to determine for yourself and your kids/grandkids if what you have in your refrigerator is likely to lead to obesity in your kids/grandkids.

Wow. What a horrible request for her to make...asking you to think about the health and longevity of your loved ones and then to actually consider doing something easy about it. OMG! The nerve of that woman!!

Oh. Wait a minute. Aren't you the same person who just wrote a long post judging other people? What's that you're saying about "do as I say"???

Sheldon Shogrin 6 years, 10 months ago

One thing you have to look at is we have a governor now that is imposing his religious beliefs on the state and tax payers. He has an obligation to the state to honor the Constitution and why this country was founded in the first place-freedom of religion. There's also that "pesky" separation of church and state. I don't care what religion he is, or that he goes to church and prays, but to impose those religious beliefs or pass legislation that imposes those beliefs on the tax payers not only goes against Constitutional Law but is also abuse of power.

somedude20 6 years, 10 months ago

Brownback is a despicable human being who hides behind religion as he screws over the meek, poor, old, young, ect and I would not spit on him if he were on fire (I am not a Christian so I don't have to pretend to care like Sam pretends) The world would be a much better place without Brownback..bugger off Sam!!!!!!!!

Joe Hyde 6 years, 10 months ago

Prayer rallies -- how dull. Move the 2012 Republican National Convention from Florida to Hawaii and governors Perry and Brownback lock up the nomination by throwing virgins into a volcano.

Clinton Laing 6 years, 10 months ago

wtf are you talking about? you make up yr own new scripture?

Steve Jacob 6 years, 10 months ago

Perry would need a moderate to "try" to get the independents.

sr80 6 years, 10 months ago

Brownback is as worthless as Biden !!

Kontum1972 6 years, 10 months ago

people who try to shove God down your actually a form of terrorism...

50YearResident 6 years, 10 months ago

I only vote for candidates that make decisions from the will of the voters, not from the will of some imaginary God in the sky. They both need to get a job with the Church somewhere out of Kansas and out of Texas.

jonas_opines 6 years, 10 months ago

If by good fit, you mean it might be the closest thing to guaranteeing a Republican party loss without nominating Palin, then yeah, good fit.

blindrabbit 6 years, 10 months ago

Brownbackistan here we come! And you thought the Taliban and Sharia Law was screwy, God bless us all!

tolawdjk 6 years, 10 months ago

Rick Perry, Republican Texas Gov. since Dec 2000.

Current number of Texas counties decalred national disasters...213 out of 254. 83.8%

Not saying it is causation (it is) or correlation (yep) or just an Angry Sky God (if it isn't the first two, it must be the third), but I have to be thinking people should be looking for the Riddle of Steel.

blindrabbit 6 years, 10 months ago

Brownbaskistan here we come! And you thought the Taliban and Sharia Law was screwy, god bless us all!

kernal 6 years, 10 months ago

I think he's too smart to run in 2012.

Shelly Rodriguez 6 years, 10 months ago

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SilenceDogood 6 years, 10 months ago

I don't think either is qualified to be president of my neighborhood association, much less the United States.

LogicMan 6 years, 10 months ago

You must be kidding about Perry. Have you looked at his resume? The longest serving governor of one of the biggest states, and all sorts of other good things.

I think you meant that a community organizer might be qualified to serve on your neighborhood association. But definitely not President of the USA, as experience has shown. Hindsight is 20-20.

SilenceDogood 6 years, 10 months ago

Nope, not kidding about Perry. Though he may be slightly more qualified than Brownback he is, nontheless, a bigoted rich guy who has a long track record of working to enhance the lives of other bigoted rich guys at the expense of everyone else.

And the community organizer we have elected as president has done a fine job of cleaning up the mess the last bigoted rich guy left for the nation. His only fault is that he has spent far too much time trying to work with the extremist faction of the Republican party.

I think there ARE Republicans out there who would make good presidents of the United States. But I stand by my comments about Brownback and Perry being unqualified as both are far too extremist in their beliefs and actions for that position (or any position of public service, for that matter).

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 10 months ago

" and all sorts of other good things."

Name two. Heck, name one.

LogicMan 6 years, 10 months ago

Here's two:

Eagle Scout.

Served in the Military.

Glenn Reed 6 years, 10 months ago

Fred Phelps is an eagle scout. I think he's famous for holding signs in front of funerals. Sometimes the funeral is for a soldier.

And here's a list of eagle scout criminals...

Serving in the military is a good thing. I can't help but wonder, how long might it take to find ex-military folks who do bad things? It wasn't that hard to find eagle scouts I don't like...

SilenceDogood 6 years, 10 months ago

The man is 61 years old. I find it odd that you chose to list two accomplishments that happened before his 28th birthday.

Perry is an interesting man. He was once a Democrat but seems to be moving further right as he gets older. There are glimmers of hope in his record -- his 2007 decision to strongly support HPV vaccine for all young women in his state, for example. Unfortunately that seems to be an exception in an otherwise far right sea.

LogicMan 6 years, 10 months ago

A list of two were requested, and given. Go to various websites, including wikipedia for many more.

You can tell a lot about people from their experiences in their formative years. Character matters.

One thing about him I haven't seen yet is that he's obviously of partial or mostly Hispanic roots. All Texan though. But he likely would qualify as our first Hispanic president.

verity 6 years, 10 months ago

He is "obviously of partial or mostly Hispanic roots."?

Maddy Griffin 6 years, 10 months ago

Get off the "community organizer "bs. Is there anyone more qualified than a Constitutional Law Professor?

LogicMan 6 years, 10 months ago

Yes, many.

Examples from the past are a tobacco farmer and surveyor (Washington), a homesteader (Lincoln), NY Governors (Roosevelt 1 and 2), and a B-movie actor (Reagan).

Katie Dennis 6 years, 10 months ago

Seriously? I think it's a bad idea because they're both hypocritical morons.

Dan Blomgren 6 years, 10 months ago

I am a die hard Republican and even I hate Brownback. He is exactly the career politician we need to get rid of.

hagus 6 years, 10 months ago

if he runs but loses does he stay in kansas........?

Lawrence needs to put $225000 in the democratic party bucket:

LogicMan 6 years, 10 months ago

Perry will be our next President, either in 2012 or 2016. Brownback would not be a wise choice for Perry. He needs a senator from a big purple state to balance the ticket. Like who?

Ken Lassman 6 years, 10 months ago

More likely: Perry will ask Brownback if he can annex Kansas. Imhofe will make sure that Oklahoma will go with, and --voila! The creation of Texahomasass secedes from the USA. Drought capital of the world! Ruled by the Sky God! Oil, Beef, hot dry winds! Football, baseball and basketball the secular trinity!

But this is only the beginning. Prayer groups in the high plains state will be take over the Strategic Air Command in Nebraska, the airbases in the Dakotas will fall nex taking over the lion's share of the US nuclear arsenal, punching on up into Canada where the tar sands refineries will fuel the war machine that will divide east from west--America that is. The high plains empire/theocracy will exact passage tolls for anything passing from coast to coast, and come to dominate sympathetic South, hence securing the Gulf of Mexico as safe passage to the rest of the world.
Yahweh be blessed!

jhawkinsf 6 years, 10 months ago

I wouldn't vote for either of these two if they were running for dogcatcher. Both these guys need to step away from the public trough, McDonald's is hiring.

Steve Jacob 6 years, 10 months ago

When the Fed point blank today says jobs and growth will be about flat until 2013, things will not better. I am shocked some major democrat is not running against Obama.

labmonkey 6 years, 10 months ago

Brownback cannot be all that bad if all the Lawrence loonies get their panties in a bunch over him.

That being said... the Republicans need a moderate, and if not that, a conservative who isn't an ignorant whack-job (i.e. Palin, Bachmann). The only Republican who can beat Obama is unfortunately not running... Chris Christie.

usnsnp 6 years, 10 months ago

Perry/Brownback for 2012. The reason Perry wants to run for president is he needs to leave Texas before his house of cards fold up. If you think Texas is such a good place to live and get a job, move their and good luck.

lhsalum 6 years, 10 months ago

USNSNP Texas is a great place to live and get a job. Texas's job market is huge (8th best state to get a job in), and on top of that not state taxes.

beatrice 6 years, 10 months ago

The very high property taxes paid in Texas make up for the no state taxes. Eventually, Texas, like the nation, will have to face its massive debt. With a deficit of $27 billion, it is indeed a house of cards.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 10 months ago

They'd both be good primary candidates, given that the Republican Party is not the party of Neanderthals. But in the general election, it depends on how pissed off voters are with Obama come 2012. They might win by default.

Scott Morgan 6 years, 10 months ago

bozo, great logic, I mean it. People of all walks are getting angrier, and somebody will be blamed.

Realistically, Texas can almost be run by anybody and succeed. I used almost, because I used to think this of California.

I used to think due to a perfect storm, both California and Texas would always prosper. Population, education, harbors, transportation, natural resources, tourism.........on and on. The politicians have actually ruined California.

blindrabbit 6 years, 10 months ago

Just_another: Neither of the two (Perry or Smilin Sam) believe in Neanderthals; as they existed about 10,000-100,000 years ago, and as both are fundamentalists, they know the earth and human life was created about 5,000 years ago.. A trip to the Creation Museum in Kentucky will straighten this out; there you can see humans walking with T-Rex. Incidentally both candidates have the mental aptitude and acumen to deal with the likes of dinosaurs.

jayhawkologist 6 years, 10 months ago

Seems like a perfect move, since GSB is using this so pathetic its laughable job as guvnah a way to springboard to a run for presidency. GRP needs to pick him...whatever it takes to get the worst governor in the history of our state out of office.

Scott Morgan 6 years, 10 months ago

Oh my! Have any of you haters noticed how many states are hurting to the point of cutting what we call basic services. State Police, medical care, prison populations, and education.

Kansas is solvent. Kansas is in relatively good shape. We should be proud, yet a few folks are angry we don't make it easier to obtain welfare. A few folks angry our governor practices his religion.

I know I'm proud of what our little population state accomplished in this awful awful economy.

My belief is you're angry at our leader who is going to make Jimmy Carter look like Lincoln in comparison of presidents after he's given the heave ho.

LogicMan 6 years, 10 months ago

Perry is following the time tested means of getting elected President -- pander to the extreme (left or right, depending on which party) to win the primaries, then move to the center for the general election. Like Obama did extremely well for 2008. Perry is just securing his base for 2012, the Religious Right.

whats_going_on 6 years, 10 months ago

I don't want ANYONE. Regardless whether they are corrupt at the moment, they will be once they gain that power, and again, nothing will change.

jayhawxrok 6 years, 10 months ago

TX is in the bottom on everything, Brownback is racing to get Kansas into the toilet, so let them have the nutball ticket, America knows better than to vote for either of these clowns.

Stuart Evans 6 years, 10 months ago

oh of course. two theocrats in the office would be so much better than just one...

pace 6 years, 10 months ago

Palin/Brownback, go go go, maybe Koch could do an ad campaign where Brownback is in drag, pretending to be a concerned mother.

verity 6 years, 10 months ago

This just out---Rick Perry will be announcing that he is running for President. His campaign manager announced that Perry will be announcing it.

Didn't he want to secede from the United States not too long ago?

And Romney said today "Corporations are people, my friend."

Put on your seat belts---we're flying straight into a hurricane.

jayhawklawrence 6 years, 10 months ago

I believe most of the people that follow the so-called moral and fiscally conservatives politicians actually believe that the Democrats are evil. They give the Republicans a free pass on any issues regarding their attacks on social safety nets like Social Security or Medicare. They don't do enough research on other issues such as minimum wage or unemployment issurance, etc. They have no clue what corporate welfare is all about. Bottom line: Republicans are working for God. Democrats are evil.

I found this link which presents a biblical view of why we need to open up our minds a little bit and start to see more sides of the issues.

If people did not open their minds and start to question the values of their peer group and their political leaders a little bit more we would not have made this country as great as it is today. We might even be ruled by a totalitarian regime. This country is meant to be ruled by free individuals, regardless of our wealth, our status, our race, education, age or anything other than our God given divine value as individual citizens.

We shouldn't give up those freedoms to people who have the money and power to believe they can do anything they want.

Kontum1972 6 years, 10 months ago

and the governor of kansas as Minister of Religion...

Centerville 6 years, 10 months ago

Speaking of soon-to-be-former presidents: "The extra costs related to Mrs. Obama’s solo trip [to Martha's Vineyard two hours earlier than Zippy] mainly include the flight on a specially designed military aircraft she took instead of Air Force One, as well as any extra staff and Secret Service that had to be enlisted to go with her. She would also have had her own motorcade from the airport to her vacation residence."

The digusting fact of the "speciall designed military aircraft" is sweetened by the funny fact that extra staff "HAD" to be enlisted. Something is up when the mainstream media is starting to convey just how loathsome these people are.

verity 6 years, 10 months ago

I've been doing some research on Rick Perry. He certainly speaks out of both sides of his mouth. On another thread somebody said they voted for Brownback because they didn't hear anything from Tom Holland---and now were sorry they had. Well, you can do your own research---not hard to do when you have the internet. There is no longer any excuse for ignorance about statewide and national candidates.

I'm predicting that if Perry is the R candidate for president, he won't choose Sam as partner. Even the Koch's money can't continue to prop Sam up. I don't think Sam realizes that when he becomes a liability they'll drop him like last night's prostitute.

jayhawklawrence 6 years, 10 months ago

You will know the end is near when his staff starts leaving the Titanic.

Centerville 6 years, 10 months ago

"people who try to shove God down your actually a form of terrorism..."

Since I've never had anyone physically try to force me to be a Christian or a Jew or a Buddhist or a SIkh (maybe because I can stand up for myself) I assume you refer to the ROP(MA), in which case it is god with a lower-case g.

jayhawklawrence 6 years, 9 months ago

I am a Christian but I am also a moderate. I believe in Science and have great faith in lifelong learning for self improvement. I believe that God is the greatest scientist, so science is for me an affirmation of my faith in a loving God.

I used to be a conservative Republican but no more.

I think electing the first black President was a much bigger accomplishment and challenge to the status quo than anyone ever realized and our country is going through a lot of reflection about how we want to continue as a nation and what is our responsibility to the sick, the poor, the elderly and all those who cannot take care of themselves.

Obama is dividing the country in an interesting way and Christians have to make a choice. At the same time, there is no way you cannot question the rhetoric of the Republican Party today that appears more and more selfish, radical and self serving as each day passes by.

dukie1 6 years, 9 months ago

Brownback and Perry are about as useful as a back pocket on a T-shirt!

beatrice 6 years, 9 months ago

Yet another sign from god against Perry, perhaps?

Paul R Getto 6 years, 9 months ago

"Generational poverty so engrained one can predict the failure of a 15 year old just by looking at them in a social setting. A system of welfare so evil people some never understand why life is so unfair. A system so evil, many trapped will never ever know the pride of laying on a coat of paint on a wall they own. " ========== Some truth to this, but generalizations are not appropriate much of the time. For some light reading, here are some bits of 'truthiness.' Pavetti, LaDonna A. "Who is Affected by Time Limits?" in Welfare Reform: An Analysis of the Issues. Edited by Isabel V. Sawhill. The Urban Institute, 1995.

Pavetti, LaDonna A. "How Long Do Families Stay on AFDC?, Who Spends Longer Periods of Time Receiving Welfare? Why Do People Who Leave Welfare for Jobs Return to the Welfare Rolls?" in Looking Before We Leap: Social Science and Welfare Reform. Edited by R. Kent Weaver and William T. Dickens. The Brookings Institution, 1995.

Pavetti, LaDonna A. "Questions and Answers on Welfare Dynamics" Urban Institute Mimeo, September 11, 1995.

Pavetti, LaDonna A. The Dynamics of Welfare and Work: Exploring the Process by Which Women Work Their Way Off Welfare. Dissertation Series #D-93-1, Malcolm Wiener Center for Social Policy, The Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University.

jayhawklawrence 6 years, 9 months ago

We now know that brownback did not go down there without bringing an offering.

The Accenture software contract for Austin has been mentioned at around $135 million.

You can bet that he wishes they had discussed the future of the big 12 Conference.

jayhawklawrence 6 years, 9 months ago

I wonder if there has been any creditable investigative work on the manner in which international corporations have taken over the kansas agribusiness.

I no longer trust anything these people are in charge of.

Richard Heckler 6 years, 9 months ago

How many people are concerned about public schools,employment,retirement,medical care and super duper corruption?

Rick Perry will sure bring with him more of the Bush family of politicians economic terrorism.

Introducing the RINO Economic Terrorism Platform Written In Stone:

The RINO party has a long history of economic destruction and crime to include Iran-Contra and Watergate. Like or not a consistent and disturbing pattern has developed by their choosing.

STOP electing RINO’s !

After spending so so many decades in Washington D.C on tax dollar payrolls RINO’s are sure they learned all they needed to know about OUR money and founding economic terrorism.

RINO’s have much Economic Terrorism experience under their belts that they never quit sharing.

Introducing the RINO Economic Plaftorm Written In Stone:

  1. TABOR is Coming by Grover Norquist and Koch Bros sells out state governments, public schools,SRS services etc etc to private industry = Grab Your Wallets!

  1. The Reagan/Bush Savings and under Bush/Cheney sent the economy out the window costing taxpayers many many $$ Loan Heist(Cost taxpayers $1.4 trillion), millions of jobs.loss of retirement plans and loss of medical insurance.

  2. Wall Street Bank Fraud on Consumers $ trillions, millions of jobs, loss of retirement plans and loss of medical insurance.

  3. ONLY 3 financial institutions instead of several were at risk so why $700 billion in bail out money? One of the biggest lies perpetrated to Amercan citizens

Tax cuts which do nothing to make an economy strong or produce jobs. Tax cuts are a tax increase to others in order to make up the loss in revenue = duped again.

  1. Still A Bad Idea – Bush Tax Cuts - The ENTITLEMENT program for the wealthy at the expense of the middle class = duped one more time.

In the end big debt and super duper bailouts were the results which does not seem to bother Republicans, as long as they are in power.

In fact, by the time the second Bush left office, the national debt had grown to $12.1 trillion:

  • Over half of that amount had been created by Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy.

  • Another 30% of the national debt had been created by the tax cuts for the wealthy under Presidents Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

• Fully 81% of the national debt was created by just these three Republican Presidents.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 9 months ago

Wow, you waited more than 4 days before spamming this award-winning website with this same drivel again!

KS 6 years, 9 months ago

How long is this article going to stay online? Good grief, this is old news. So old it ought to be in a museum.

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