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Do you think cable barriers should be installed in the median on Kansas Highway 10?

Response Percent Votes
79% 1323
14% 244
I’m not sure
5% 90
Total 1657


jhawkinsf 6 years, 6 months ago

I voted for trees yesterday. Then others made good arguments why trees are a bad idea. So, today I'm not sure. Ask me again tomorrow.

whatadrag 6 years, 5 months ago

Native tallgrass invites wildlife into it

jhawkinsf 6 years, 6 months ago

Used to be in California but I remember I-80 having bushes from north of S.F. to near Sacramento. What I never noticed was if cables were inside and the bushes were being used to disguise the cable. Hope that helps.

John Hamm 6 years, 6 months ago

Better drivers and driving > fewer accidents. You are 100% correct!

Bridgett Walthall 6 years, 6 months ago

BS. Accidents are going to happen regardless. And the CHILD who died last week wasn't driving. Cable guardrails protect the people who are in the wrong place at the wrong time and by no fault of their own are struck by vehicles that crossover the median.

hujiko 6 years, 6 months ago

No. The majority of the median crossovers do not end in head-on collisions, by installing cable barriers one would only increase the amount of injuries/damages done.

hujiko 6 years, 6 months ago

Not all fatalities would be prevented. Motorcyclists are especially at risk when it comes to cable medians, and just because a cable is there to stop a car, doesn't mean it would stop the driver from being fatally injured.

This is one application where J.S.Mill's Harm Principle works well in reality. Let's say there is a road where crossovers may occur, and one out of every hundred crossovers ends in a fatal accident. That means 99% of the time the driver is safe, and may return to the proper lane and continue with their life unscathed. Now the same road has a cable median to prevent crossovers, thus out of every hundred would-be crossover accidents, 100% will strike the barrier causing some damage or injuries, including fatalities. Now, even if it prevents head-on collisions, the propensity for harm is at a higher level with the barrier. Even if 50% of crossovers ended with fatalities, that is still a lower value than 100% ending with damages or personal injury as well as fatalities.

Add in the cost of vehicle replacement and repairing the cable median and it is an even greater loss, but I do recognize that a human life is more valuable than property.

Remember, you don't hear about every crossover, just the ones that end in deaths. I would be very cautious in advocating a 'solution' to the problem if it could very easily cause more injury or deaths.

letsgiterdone 6 years, 6 months ago

Exactly!!! Something needs to be done with people who drive and don't have a liscense to do so. His (liscense) was taken away for a reason. Someone needs to be held accountable. Was that car his or someone else's?

Cai 6 years, 6 months ago

mm. Thats not necessarily true. You can lose your license simply for failing to pay child support, parking tickets (like...not paying the meter), refusing a breathalyser (which can, in theory, be done on principle, without being drunk), not having insurance, etc.

These things aren't GOOD to do, by any means, but they don't necessarily have a correlation with you ability (or lack thereof) to drive.

(note: you can also lose your license for "vehicular manslaughter" ... which, if you insist it was done on purpose (not helping your defense case), you can argue that it doesn't mean you're a bad driver)

That said, there are a number of people who shouldn't have licenses that do. The testing procedure.....needs help. But that doesn't mean that EVERYONE who has had their license suspended is completely incapable of driving.

Cai 6 years, 6 months ago

I agree wholeheartedly.

But that's a different argument than the one that says everyone who's been suspended sucks at driving.

Andreas Moeller 6 years, 6 months ago

cable barriers are death traps for motorcyclists. Even a simple slip-and-slide can cost you limbs or your life. If they want to install barriers, have them motorcyclist safe. Various European countries know how to do this and have had the studies to show the danger of cables for decades. Just my opinion...

deec 6 years, 6 months ago

They even know how to use roundabouts in Europe.

Schooner 6 years, 6 months ago

Motorcycles are death traps for motorcyclists but that doesn't stop them. Motorcyclists throw a hissy when state law requires them to wear a helmet despite the obvious benefits. Now they're going to get upset because a barricade meant to protect the overwhelming majority of drivers is dangerous for them? How ironic. If you're that worried about it, buy a car.

Evan Ridenour 6 years, 6 months ago

I thought the reason why we don't stick cable medians everywhere is because they are very dangerous for any car that hits them and therefore they aren't used unless there is a severe danger of head-on collisions.

While what just happened is a tragedy... that road hardly suffers enough head-on collisions to justify placing more people at risk.

Evan Ridenour 6 years, 6 months ago

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Getaclue 6 years, 6 months ago

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Tony Kisner 6 years, 6 months ago

No! They should remove all the lane markings as well.

Don Whiteley 6 years, 6 months ago

No, since most accidents on Hwy. 10 have occurred around the East Hills Business Park, I vote that they stop listening to murderous environmentalists and other thoughtless idiots and build the extension around the south side of Lawrence so we reduce traffic and save lives.

nut_case 6 years, 6 months ago

I think it would be much more effective to require a more stringent test for a drivers license. We can spend countless billions trying to make the highways idiot proof and still not succeed, or take the relatively free approach of requiring a true 'drivers test' every few years where idiots are screened out of actually having licenses. Wonder which one we'll choose?

Richard Heckler 6 years, 6 months ago

Will cables stop a speeding vehicle? A speeding 18 wheeler?

I say a nice hedge row of Osage Orange is much stronger. Very tough wood.

Trees would cost no money. Trees can take care of themselves. Other states allow natural growth.

Edwin Rothrock 6 years, 6 months ago

Not very strong on physics, are you. The trick is to dissipate the energy over time with engineered energy absorbing systems. Putting up any obstacle that absorbs all the energy without crumpling, e.g. a tree, will just kill lots more people. And while there might be some argument on this point, I don't think Merrill is in favor of young auto drivers dieing for their rookie mistakes. Although it has become very popular on both the left and right to claim that popular opinion is best, some things are best left to professionals to decide. Applied physics is complicated, and often counter-intuitive. That why we should support education; real-world problems sometimes need qualified experts to find good solutions, not the will of the incensed crowd.

trailertrash 6 years, 5 months ago

First of all, young auto drivers should not be on major hiways till they have experience. Young inexperienced drivers also cause more accidents than they are involved in...... Let the "professionals" decide? Do you realize the "professionals" you are speaking of are politicians and those appointed by our Kansas politicians? Are you sure you want to trust them to make that decision? They were smart enough to have a study done by a "qualified expert" and the study said the cables were not needed here. I would also like to point out that to find a "qualified expert", they had to go to the state of Nebraska to get the study done.

somedude20 6 years, 6 months ago

Look around next time you are stopped at a light and realize that many people driving around you are high on prescription narcotics. Just because a doc writes an Rx for narcs does not mean that it is legal to drive while taking them. I see patients all the time who drive to be seen ny their doc while hopped up on some kind narc. People always talk about driving while high on pot, just think about what pain pills and narcs can do to your motor skills. Food for thought, now eat your pill!

somedude20 6 years, 6 months ago

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Randall Barnes 6 years, 6 months ago

over the last several years i have done a study on my life and why things happen.for example i cant find my keys for about 5 minutes.halfway across town i see a bad accident. later on i found out that it happened 5 minutes boss ask me to stay over and finish a project. dang it i couldn't make it to the golf course. well guess what the guy on the next hole where my friends were and where i should have been got struck by do your own study and see if you want death traps or life savers. park your car on the tracks get hit by a train. will you live or die ? drive a day with or without your seatbelt will you live or die ?

George_Braziller 6 years, 6 months ago

I avoid K-10 whenever possible because there are too many idiot speed demons with a cell phone in their hand. Last time I was on it a guy driving a black BMW zipped around me so fast I never even saw him in my rear view mirror. I was driving 75 and he was just a blur.

He had to have been running about 95 mph.

JerryStubbs 6 years, 6 months ago

I think those "always on" headlights aren't such a bad idea after all.

It looks like it could be a good idea to keep an eye on oncoming traffic,too, even on a four lane road.

Isn't there a little more danger from deer crossing this time of year?

kansanbygrace 6 years, 5 months ago

Gotta agree with Thuja. I drive US 59/169 a few times a week, K-10 a little less often. K-10 is much more threatening from very fast traffic and following far too close, cutting very close when changing lanes and distracted drivers. Also many of the drivers are very inexperienced, as evidenced by their inept driving. I think the KHP should enforce the speed limit, not 10 over; and following distance on K-10 and jail the people paying more attention to the device in their hand than to their driving.

jayhawklawrence 6 years, 5 months ago

A cable divider won't change bad behavior.

It will just use up valuable resources that should be used somewhere else.

I would rather hire more law enforcement and start giving out more tickets to reckless drivers and speeders. Make a statement that this will no longer be tolerated.

jayhawklawrence 6 years, 5 months ago

If you don't attack the source of the problem, you will probably go broke trying to put bandaids on the symptoms.

There is a problem in this country about how we address problems which has led us to misuse tax dollars. That is why we are going broke and not fixing anything.

We have a government that is just fighting for money for their constituencies and it is not something to be very proud of.

Next time we hold out our hand for a freebie maybe we should think about the real cost down the road.

JerryStubbs 6 years, 5 months ago

Crossover accidents are probably in a little different class than many other accidents caused by careless driving.

Who could believe that somebody could drive so far off as to cross a 34 ft median and still keep going, unless they were completely out of it, as in asleep, or passed out?

On a two lane road you could easily cross the line just from drunk weaving, or momentary disattention like when you drop something, or maybe texting, but the wide median on a four lane road gives you quite a bit of time to correct somehow before you are on the other side of the road.

Most people that leave the pavement do manage to get back on or stop without causing major damage. Those rumble strips help quite a bit in these cases.

But if you lose consciousness for any reason, and you keep your foot on the gas even after you leave the pavement, you could end up on the other side of the road at full speed going the wrong way.

Even if you were going 55, even if you locked your cell phone in the glovebox, even if you just passed your driving test with flying colors.

Cable barriers have been shown to be good but not perfect protection against crossover accidents and they are less costly than concrete barriers. There are reasons they aren't used everywhere.

Some medians aren't the right width or type, and less costly isn't free, so the DOT has these things to consider when they make their decisions about where to put them.

I don't think K-10 has as much heavy truck traffic as I-70, for example, and that might be something else they consider.

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