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Do you think the city needs to spend more money on homeless services?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on June 24, 2005

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“I think that since Lawrence is more attractive than most places, they need to do more to help them get off the streets. Especially the ones who have mental illnesses that prevent them from working.”

Photo of Phillip Valljo

“Yes. I think they should help those who have never had the chances that the people who live here have had.”

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“Funds have to be prioritized. The money that actually makes it to the homeless needs to be the priority. The systemic enabling of the dysfunctional needs to stop, and we need to focus more on mental health issues.”

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“The funds definitely need to increase, so if the White House refuses to make it an issue and the state has no money - then yes.”

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happy_me 9 years, 10 months ago

After some thought I guess Havarti would be #1

GreenEyedBlues 9 years, 10 months ago

At the risk of putting myself among the ranks of LonelyGuy and ChevyGal, I must say that Mr. Pfannenstiel is definitely an attractive addition to Lawrence. Helloooooo, Bruce!

This is a rerun question! I swear the ljworld.com staff just takes the questions from a bucket of words.

lunacydetector 9 years, 10 months ago

once the $145,000 impact fee study is completed, and the company that is performing this (more important than feeding the homeless) study, i'm sure any 'new' homeowners will increase the funding for the homeless - when the city gets their money from impact fees and diverts it to the homeless.

after all, when there is more population, there is an increase in the homeless. like that crazy logic? (actually i made it up, but i see an argument like this coming from our powerful anarchist government -that's an oxymoron - in the very near future).

hide and watch! the homeless money is coming. the haves need to pay for the have nots. its the socialist way.

happy_me 9 years, 10 months ago

Greeneyedblues: He's even better looking in person!!! That picture doesn't do him justice. I know him.

neopolss 9 years, 10 months ago

The shear amount of money spent on the few amount of homeless = a better amount of money per individual than I make in a year. Leave it to the private sector, it shouldn't be a socialist mandate.

ms_canada 9 years, 10 months ago

OMB - you and sunflower ought to get together. What a cheesy lady! How clever to make your own cheese, especially chevre. Where did you get the goat milk? I have made cottage cheese and you are right, store bought is nothing like the real stuff. I once bought a big chunk of chevre for the family but sad to say, they never saw even a crumb of it. I ate it all at one sitting. Couldn't stop. Maybe we could get together and make a bunch of cheese for the homeless, but we won't give them any chevre. I am occasionally very selfish. :o)

Topside 9 years, 10 months ago

I definitely agree with OMB (as always) I think that everyone should talk about their favorite cheese(s) and/or a happy cheese related experience. I myself have always been partial to string cheese. Once I started tearing off little tasty treads I was hooked. Also, Brie is good too. It's Brie time baby!

happy_me 9 years, 10 months ago

humm favorite cheese....I like too many can't name just one. best job I ever had was in a deli though! Got to cut the cheese all the time.

acg 9 years, 10 months ago

Ya'll are making me want a big gooey grilled cheddar cheese sammich really bad. :)

Topside 9 years, 10 months ago

Hey, Tom_Foolery I have never had Kiri cheese. What is its story, where does it come from? Yes, happy me Havarti is good too.

happy_me 9 years, 10 months ago

o_m_b Years ago you could get Bordon slice cheese It was so much better than Kraft more like sliced velveeta

happy_me 9 years, 10 months ago

I myself like icecream made from goats milk REALLY good stuff!! with 1/2 the fat but you'ld never know from the taste.

jonas 9 years, 10 months ago

Offtotheright: In answer to your question from yesterday, certainly you have the right, at least as far as govt. goes, to display a sign saying I hate black people in your yard, though I think there would probably be ramifications, much the same as someone burning the flag. I doubt the person you rent from, or the homeowners society you live in, would like it, or probably let you do it, but the govt. wouldn't censor it. Have you ever seen a Klan rally? They still happen.

jonas 9 years, 10 months ago

And instead of asking about "more money on the homeless" why don't we ask what, specifically, we should be doing with the money that goes towards the homeless, and figure out how much is necessary from there.

sunflower_sue 9 years, 10 months ago

Take all the money the city spends on just "studying" the homeless and build a facility for those 1200 gymnastics kids whom the city does NOT care about. Now, they will have "tot tumbling" and still call it gymnastics and tell you all that they did no such thing as to alienate a ton of kids. Maybe some of those kids will end up homeless because the one and only thing they loved was taken away from them by a city that just doesn't give a darn.

The point I'm trying to make here is that there are hundreds of more viable things to spend OUR money on. (Catered lunches isn't one of them.) Brown bag it people! You ever heard of peanut butter and jelly?

Yeah. lets pour all our money into studying the homeless. Sounds like a grand idea to me! Idiots! I swear if I had a "city commissioner's flag", I would burn it!

happy_me 9 years, 10 months ago

ms_canada you can buy goat cheese in the grocery store here. Or if your lucky enough know someone that has goats, like my aunt, you can get if there too.

happy_me 9 years, 10 months ago

yes my aunt makes it all the time. she has 6 goats at any time that are giving milk so she has to find ways to use it up.

tir 9 years, 10 months ago

I agree with Tom_Foolery, except to say that there are lots of people in this town who are not even "one house payment" away from homelessness, but rather one "rent payment" away from being kicked out onto the street. Yes, Lawrence should help people who are homeless to better their situations, but we also need to help the working poor of the community who are in desperate financial straits due to low wages and inflated housing costs. Lawrence needs jobs that pay a living wage and affordable housing.

ms_canada 9 years, 10 months ago

happy me - has your aunt ever made soap from the goat's milk? I have a bar of it that I bought in the farmers market a few years back. I must say I was rather disappointed. It does not lather very well. Better to use the milk for cheese. Cheese is the best, but as I am lactose intolerant, the only cheese I can eat now is soy cheese and don't knock it till you have tried it. I quite like it. Especially the mozzarella type. I use it in lasagna and pizza topping too. In fact, I just had two pieces of it with my english muffin for breakfast. Yummmm!

happy_me 9 years, 10 months ago

ms_c no she hasn't made soap (that I know of) the reason she got the goats in the first place was because her son is lactose intolerant so the Dr. suggested she try him on goats milk. It worked and she now has like 8-10 goats. When she makes the ice cream instead of sugar she uses Splenda (she's diabetic) but it tastes wonderful!! reminds me of frozen custard its so rich. but no fat and very little calories!!!

Hong_Kong_Phooey 9 years, 10 months ago

If they are legitimately homeless and making a strong effort to find long-term employment then, yes, I think we can help them out.

If they are those slackers that I constantly see panhandling on Mass St. (instead of out humping from shop to shop to find a job) then, hell no, don't give them a friggin' dime. In fact, I would make them "pay" for homeless services via public service. For example, they should have to pick up litter on the streets and in public parks in order to get food and a bed at the shelters.

happy_me 9 years, 10 months ago

Very good ideas H_K_P!! Make them work for it!

happy_me 9 years, 10 months ago

There was another cheese I really like but can't remember the name but it had port wine in it and was pink and white marbled. Oh it was soo good: )

remember_username 9 years, 10 months ago

I'm crazy about feta cheese, and because of this addicted to Greek salads. Alas, I find that too much feta cheese triggers migraine headaches that can be quite debilitating. This overwhelming desire for something very bad for me is depressing, but it enables me to sympathize with people having lifestyle issues that can lead to homelessness and other problems. I think we can all afford to give more (money or time) so that our government doesn't feel the need to shuffle our tax dollars into support that should come from the private community. Anyway, I really miss feta...

acg 9 years, 10 months ago

True cheese story. Had this boyfriend years ago, he was a real piece of work. Always lazy, good for nothing, cheated on me a few times and when I found out, I moved out of his place while he was at work and before I left I took all the face plates off the electrical outlets on all of the walls and I stuffed Limburger cheese (which is the nastiest smelling stuff in the world) down into each outlet and then put the plates back on. I can only imagine what his place smelled like and how long it took him to figure it out. Ahh, Limburger, the sweet sweet smell of revenge.

happy_me 9 years, 10 months ago

I'm sorry r_u that must really suck getting migraines from feta. Those things really hurt! :(

sunflower_sue 9 years, 10 months ago

Cheesy comments:

I used to share goats with a neighbor. She eventually got tired of the morning milking (I did evening) and so she wanted to stop. I just haven't the time (or want) to milk twice a day so we got rid of the goats. I miss the milk (which I calculated cost me 64 cents a gallon) but I can always buy it from another neighbor at $6 a gallon. Pricey but you can make enough chevre out of that gallon to form a ball about the size of a very large grapefruit! Inexpensive for chevre. Another cheese that I mastered was feta. Had the perfect tang and everything. Dang, I made great cheese! Think I'll have to go buy some milk.....

Ms_C, As for your soap not lathering...it's all in the fats she combined it with! Milk has very little bearing on sudsibility. Coconut oil has the best lather. Lard the worst. I think she was using animal fat instead of vege fats for her soap and so that's why it didn't lather very well.

FYI Goat's milk has the same amount of fat as cow's milk...it just comes out of the goat already homoginized!!! (You cannot separate the fat from goats milk!) This is true. Don't believe me, look it up! ;0) Anyone telling you that goat's milk is fat free is feeding you more than goat's milk. But, like someone mentioned, many lactose intollerant people do very well on goats milk.

happy_me 9 years, 10 months ago

S_S Thanks for the correction on the fat. But its still really good!!

sunflower_sue 9 years, 10 months ago

A blue cheese stuffed burger cooked on the grill would be tastey today! Lots of creamy, moldy gorgonzola!!!!

r_u, I can sympathize with you, I LOVE clam chowder but found out (after years of eating the stuff) that I am deathly allergic to shell fish. Dang! Funny how you can have so much of something and the your body says "sorry, you can't ever have that again".

happy_me 9 years, 10 months ago

I think I would die if I couldn't have clam chowder!

Topside 9 years, 10 months ago

Mmmmmmm.....Borden Boy. Dang that sounds good.

acg 9 years, 10 months ago

I think I would die if I were lactose intolerant. Ice cream, milk, cheese, yogurt, sour cream. I live on these things. Sorry all you LI folks. It's just not fair.

happy_me 9 years, 10 months ago

sour cream, cheddar cheese on a big baked potato sounds yummy

Topside 9 years, 10 months ago

BTW-Why are people still talking about the LJW question of the day. We've moved on to cheese people! Get with it. acg- Well hidden fishsticks work good too!

Carmenilla 9 years, 10 months ago

Goat's milk rocks! When I ran my daycare I had a little boy who suffered from terrible gas and runny BMs. I switched him to goat's milk and he never had problems again. Also when I was in Greece with my mom the goat's milk yogurt was to die for. I'm a chevre girl too, s_s. In fact, I'm making a chevre and mushroom panini for dinner tonight.

And on to the topic of the homeless. Can we maybe stop demonizing these people? I dislike those young "free-loader" types too but they are not the real homeless. REAL homeless are people who have run out of options and/or suffer from addiction or mental illness. Do you realize how many mental health facilities have been closed in the last few years? And we wonder why our homeless population is growing. Look to the cuts in funding for those with mental illness and you will see the cause of this upswing in "street people".

Also, why do some people think that shipping these people to another city would somehow solve or rectify anything? Passing the buck is the lamest and most immature way to deal with problems.

sunflower_sue 9 years, 10 months ago

happy, Just imagine when we go out to the east coast with my hubby's family and they are all eating their scallops, clams, and other shellfish. I have to try not to think about it, settle for a tuna steak...and then they invariably overcook it. The Heathens!!!!!!!!!!!!!

happy_me 9 years, 10 months ago

Oh man that would make me go nuts!! Fortunately/ Unfortunately (you'ld have to ask me husband) I'm a red head and things like that really set me off!!

happy_me 9 years, 10 months ago

On the topic of bad things to do to ex's....I once put an open jar of shad sides under the front seat of an ex's car. It was summertime and in the car all day with the windows rolled up!! :)

happy_me 9 years, 10 months ago

It's true!! Remember never piss off a red head!!

Topside 9 years, 10 months ago

Ouch...It doesn't get worse than shad sides. I won't even punish myself enough to buy them to use for a nefarious purpose. You must have really hated that guy!

sunflower_sue 9 years, 10 months ago

I never did anything mean to an ex...but used to get my sister all the time w/ rubber snakes curled up in corners and large plastic bugs under her sheets. (She was too easy)

Another good one...my neighbor just killed a 4 foot timber rattler (big around as a can of veggies) in his driveway. The next day he took it to work and put it in the cab of someone's road grader. (He didn't even know who's). Hee Hee

happy_me 9 years, 10 months ago

At the time I didn't realize what would happen to them in the car all day. I just wanted to make his car smell for his "date" with the girl I caught him cheating on me with. Got a really good laugh when a mutual friend told me it took the guy 2 days to find them!

happy_me 9 years, 10 months ago

bait store stink bait for cat fishing

ms_canada 9 years, 10 months ago

acg - you don't have to feel sorry for us L I people, at least not me. I can take yogurt, and most L I people can. I eat lots of yogurt. And the soy cheese is really very good, also the milk. It's all I drink. There is even soy ice cream. And as sunflower sue says, L I people can also take chevre, so we do just fine, happy to say. Speaking of clam chowder. The best place to get clam chowder is in Newfoundland, our rock (island) on the east coast. Why do I say rock, you might ask. Newfoundland is one great, huge rock sticking up out of the sea. The Newfie people are very celtic and have the neatest accent. We picked up two young fellows hitchhiking one day and one of them had an accent so thick, I couldn't understand a thing he said, had to get his friend to interpret. No kidding. Hubby and I spent 2 weeks there and ate chowder everyday. No kidding. Also ate pan fried cod everyday. FResh cod, nothing like it in the world. Let's hear it for Newfie cod!!
Do you people ever hear any Newfie jokes down there?they are unique.

sunflower_sue 9 years, 10 months ago

I take that back, I do remember a mean thing I did to a guy that dumped me...but I did it to his best friend. Naturally, it wasn't good for their friendship. (We just shouldn't go there!) And, I'll say, that I've done many things I regret... and a clear conscience is the sign of a bad memory.

sunflower_sue 9 years, 10 months ago

Ms_C, never heard a Newfie joke. Are they anything like our Blonde jokes?

happy_me 9 years, 10 months ago

ms_c please tell us one I've never heard one

acg 9 years, 10 months ago

One of my coworkers pissed off our boss a few years ago and he was made to go to a seminar in Newfoundland for 5 days in January. He said it was the coldest place on earth. LOL.

Ceallach 9 years, 10 months ago

r_u, I have the same problem with feta and other deliciously sharp flavored cheeses causing migraines. And s_sue, you said it well, our bodies say "no more" and if we transgress :) we pay the price.

I like provolone on sandwiches, cheddar with just about anything (especially grilled) and love a snack of smoky gouda with hummus & warm pita, yummm.

Oh, yeah, the homeless again. Same as before, help those who cannot help themselves, and protect society from those who will not help themselves. I fear that for some, being homeless is their profession.

happy_me 9 years, 10 months ago

Topside glad you love the red heads but sometimes it sucks being one, getting a tan is impossible! so in the summer while every one is nice and golden brown I'm gastly white! Never go outside with out 50+ sunblock on on look like a lobster in 20 minutes.

enochville 9 years, 10 months ago

I lived in St. John's, Newfoundland for about 6 months. Newfies tell the best Newfie jokes, also the best jokes about Toronto. For those who don't know, the entire economy of Newfoundland is based on fishing; you can't grow anything up there. Since the fishing industry almost died due to the Canadian gov't allowing foriegners to fish the ocean clean, Newfies have had to find work elsewhere; usually Toronto, but they always come back to Newfoundland.

I will say that the scenery is beautiful and a very well kept secret. Tourist are almost non-existant.

enochville 9 years, 10 months ago

Newfies have a very distinct accent, especially the baymen. They end nearly every sentence with "by"; the way we used to use "man" in the early 1980's. "By" is Newfie for "boy". They have a popular song that goes, "I's the by that builds the boat, and I's the by that sails her; and I's the by that catches the fish and brings 'em home to Liza."

Here is a transliteration of something a Newfie once told me, "Tat Heed an Nash, e's han hidiot!" Translated, "That Ed and Nash (the names of two guys), he's an idiot." I don't know why she didn't say, they're idiots." Some other common sayings are, "proper ting, by" meaning "that is the proper thing to do, boy;" "Yes, me ducky;" and "Whad ya at, by?" meaning "How are you doing?"

linux_chick 9 years, 10 months ago

Forget about cheese... cheese is ok.

It's chocolate that kills... I can polish off a bag of oreos or the family-size packages of kitkats in an evening, no problem. Utterly sinful.

ms_canada 9 years, 10 months ago

enochville - thank you so much for the Newfie comments. Yes Newfie folk have been teased about being sort of hillbilly. enochville got it 100% right on everyting he said. and that is not a typo in everyting. Newfie joke. Lots of scots descendants there. Before Jock died he asked his buddy Angus if he would pour a good bottle of Glenfiddich on his grave. Angus said he surely would. Came the burial day. Angus went to buy the Glenfiddich and headed to the grave site. Couple of hours later his wife went looking for him. Found him at the grave quite legless (the way the irish & scots describe a man thoroughly inebriated) She said, "what do you think you are doing, by. You were supposed to pour that on Jock's grave." Angus said, "Now Dearie, thas jus wa I's doin. but I thought ol' Jock wouldn't mind if I passed it through me kidneys first."

linux_chick 9 years, 10 months ago

nod. It's not a pretty site.

My roommates have learned to hide their chocolate stash. Glad to hear I'm not in the minority, omb.

Ragingbear 9 years, 10 months ago

You know, there are a few areas on the outer edge of town that could be used for a community farm type operation. A typical cow can give 3-4 gallons of rich milk a day for 8 months out of a year. A cubic acre can provide enough veggies for a family for nearly a year, and fruit trees can supplement that even further. Throw in some chickens, and pigs, with a small supplement from the city for tools/ medication for livestock, and butchering cost, and we would be able to have the homeless assist in providing thier own food, while reducing the strain on area food pantries, and by making them work, the non-mentally ill transients who just want hand outs will transient out of here.

linux_chick 9 years, 10 months ago

I see funding a new homeless aide program as a benefit to Lawrence if we selected the program carefully.

If successful, hopefully we could get some employed, off the streets and contributing to taxable earnings in the city. That would be a plus.

This would take some research first. I like your idea, Ragingbear... never thought of anything like that before.

sunflower_sue 9 years, 10 months ago

All that talk of chees forced me to go ride the recumbent bike for an hour! (I felt guilty, I guess)

True Chocolate story my hubby hates for me to tell:

I went to Sam's Club and bought a 10 pound bag of Ghiardeli (how do you spell that?) chocolate chips. I put them up and less than 1 month later I was feeling the urge for some chocolate chip cookies. I had the dough all mixed up and went to grab the chips. Every last one...GONE! I'm not kidding! My hubby ate 10 pounds of chocolate chips in a month. Talk about your chocoholics!

sunflower_sue 9 years, 10 months ago

Ragingbear, actually, a dairy cow gives 8 gallons a day. My little 'ol diary goat gave 4 gallons a day! But you are right. Lots of ways for the poor to feed themselves.

I grew up poor but never went hungry. Mom ALWAYS has a big garden and canned enough fruits and veggies to more than last a year from one season. We tease her about meat, though. She could take the most beautiful T-bone and pound it until it was paper thin. Then, she'd dredge it through enough milk, flour, salt and pepper 'til it was an inch thick again. Then, she'd fry it in drippings...naturally! Then everything was smothered in gravy. But WOW was it delicious!

Fangorn 9 years, 10 months ago

I like colbyjack cheese with apple juice. Tasty! I also used to go to a place that served feta burgers. I developed a taste for greek cheese.

As to the actual question, ensure we are spending what's already on the budget wisely before thinking about raising the total.

acg 9 years, 10 months ago

Imagine growing up in the south! Gravy is a food group, everything is rolled in flour or cornmeal and deep fat fried. I can remember my mom "oh honey, don't eat those potatoes without gravy. Put some butter on your bread". Every night there was a home baked dessert; cobbler, pie or a big bananna pudding. It's amazing we didn't all turn out to be big as a barn.

Ceallach 9 years, 10 months ago

I had need to drive across town on my lunch hour and I was thinking about the topic and how many ways we have addressed it on this board. Both sides of this issue have good points.

As I drove I was wondering, how many of us belong to churches or charitable organizations that have little or no outreach to the homeless people living on our streets? Maybe we would feel less frustrated if we had some reassurance that our money was being used in a responsible manner. Most of the people of Lawrence are very generous when it comes to helping others. But to be repeated told "that money's gone, we need more" just doesn't set well me. One big umbrella program does not seem to be working. Maybe a larger number of small group efforts made by people willing to give time and money to help the helpless would provide better results. Just a thought.

Ceallach 9 years, 10 months ago

"But to be repeated told "that money's gone, we need more" just doesn't set well me."

Sorry, didn't see those mistakes :)

But to be repeatedly told "that money's gone, we need more" just doesn't sit well with me.

jonas 9 years, 10 months ago

Offtotheright: That's good. (not sarcasm) But I was just pointing out that you probably could, not that you should. Really, though, since you have no interest in doing any of those things, then we obviously are not talking about you when we refer to the securing of those particular protected forms of expression. The point is, acceptable expression is only a point of view, not a concrete fact. What would happen if the left gained control like the right does now (god forbid) and decided that, say, Ann Coulter's treason was unacceptably divisive and dangerous expression and banned it. Or bumper stickers that derided their position on things, or on and on. Simply put, any oppression of speech or expression that does not do direct harm to someone else (speech, not oppression) is an overbearing, and fascist act. We are not a fascist nation, but the difference between being hurt and being offended has to be clearly deliniated or things like this will send us over the brink.

sunflower_sue 9 years, 10 months ago

OK, just baked a dessert for tonight that called for 2 1/2 pounds of butter, not to mention the cream. Perhaps my Mom rubbed off on me, after all. Some things you just can't skimp on. (Especially when feeding friends) Hope none of them have artery trouble!

OMB, sugar does belong in cornbread and I'll arm wrestle you over that one!

sunflower_sue 9 years, 10 months ago

I'll be the one wearing "woolies" and silver spurs! And a Stetson from St. Joe, of course!

acg 9 years, 10 months ago

no no no, corn bread is not a dessert and there is no place for sugar in the recipe. But if you want to jazz it up, add a few diced jalepenos, 1 1/2 cups of shredded cheddar cheese (we're back to cheese) and half a can of sweet kernel corn. Yum!!

Ariat15 9 years, 10 months ago

Oh, YES, let's spit out more money to help the homeless! In fact, let's make Lawrence its own little socialist utopia. Everybody, empty your bank accounts because the government is coming along to redistribute the wealth! We don't want anyone WORKING FOR A LIVING anymore!

Carmenilla 9 years, 10 months ago

I love jalapeno cornbread and that was what we made in the bakery I worked in a few years ago. But I also like a slightly sweet cornbread with honey whipped butter on it. Talk about yum! There are no absolutes in cooking, folks. Some dishes are good sweet or savory. Corn bread is one of these.

Sunflower_Sue, you are a cook/baker/foodie after my own heart. Desserts aren't any good unless you put real butter, cream or sugar in them. It just ain't right any other way.

Carmenilla 9 years, 10 months ago

Yes, but do you want to cover them in chocolate syrup and lick them? Man, I thought I was a perv but Mister_Joe may have me beat.

sunflower_sue 9 years, 10 months ago

OMB, you haven't got the recipe right because you've been leaving out the sugar!

BTW, Sad to say... Stetson no longer exists in St. Joe.

Carmenilla, My hubby says that I'm missing my true calling as a food critic. True, when I pay good money to go out to eat and it is not up to par, I will pick it apart. I went to Milton's one morning for breakfast and their special was Eggs Benedict. That's what I ordered and was appaled when mine came. The hollandaise was tasteless and the english muffin wasn't even toasted! Their only saving grace... the egg was flawless!

Anybody know where I can get a job getting paid to eat?

Carmenilla 9 years, 10 months ago

S_S, been looking for that job too! I hardly eat out anymore because once I figure how to make what I like from restaurants, I stop going there anymore and make it at home. My honey says I can figure out the recipe in under 4 bites. Or at least thats when I start saying:

"I can make this at home, better and cheaper!"

I take all the fun of eating out.

linux_chick 9 years, 10 months ago

mister_joe, you're subtle... you better be careful before the LJW Censorship for Sensitive Adults Foundation finds you.

This board is going to the gutter. :)

linux_chick 9 years, 10 months ago

sunflower, I read an article about a woman who claimed she had the best job in the world... she was a travel guide journalist who got paid to stay in hotels, try out room service and eat at the local fancy restaurants.

If she can do it, so can you...

sigh Life is rough.

happy_me 9 years, 10 months ago

Carmenilla: one of the best web sights on food recipes is www.topsecretrecipes.com it has all the recipes for all those wonderful restraunt dishes.

happy_me 9 years, 10 months ago

OMB the easiest and best cornbread had 1c. flour 1c. cornmeal 1/3c. sugar 2 eggs 4tsp. baking powder 3/4tsp salt 1c. milk 1/3c. butter flavored crisco put in a greased cast iron skillet and bake at 425 for 20-25 min

happy_me 9 years, 10 months ago

This recipe came from my sis-in-law she said its the "perfect southern cornbread" (she's from Texas) and it really is yummy! :)

sunflower_sue 9 years, 10 months ago

Carmenilla, I bet your friends (like mine) have told you that they cringe when they think about cooking for you. I assure them that my sensitive pallet only applies to restaurants and my own cooking. I judge both equally...but I would NEVER complain about food made for me by a friend. It's different when it's made with love!

Well, gotta go christen the neighbors new pool. No, that doesn't mean I'll pee in it...but I'm sure somebody will. Ya'll have a good evening. I plan to.

happy, I know it wasn't aimed at me, but thanks for the website. And you're right. Cornbread does have sugar :0P

happy_me 9 years, 10 months ago

yes bacon grease can be subbed I like the buttery flavor better but the bacon flavor agrees with Jalpenos

Ceallach 9 years, 10 months ago

According to my sister-in-law in Mountain Home Arkansas -- "real" cornbread is made with white meal and has no sugar -- whereas, "yankee" cornbread is made with yellow meal and has sugar. Conversation came about when my children were questioned about eating such small amounts of the cornbread that was served with supper and I mentioned that they were just used to the sweeter bread.

BunE 9 years, 10 months ago

There is a pretty compelling article in last month's issue of Esquire: Cadillac Man or something like that, it humanizes the whole situation. Coddling people is not the answer but treating the homeless with respect and dignity is. There have always been homeless people and there always will, but a society should come to the aid of those who can not help themselves. Will there be pikers? you betcha, but most folks have no desire to live that wretched a life.

I like cheese and cornbread. And whiskey.

Ceallach 9 years, 10 months ago

;-) omb, I take it your vote goes South?

happy_me 9 years, 10 months ago

I thought I was the only one in Lawrence that knew people in M.H Arkansas small world I guess

happy_me 9 years, 10 months ago

Best way to enjoy cornbread (IMHO) is with cajun style ham and beans

happy_me 9 years, 10 months ago

OMB that does sound good with a little mustard on the side!

Ceallach 9 years, 10 months ago

There are a lot of good folks in Mountain Home, but you know, I don't recall seeing many homeless people there. Hmmm, I must think on that.

Outstanding menu, ham and beans, fried potatoes and onions and cornbread (yellow w/sugar :)

spongiform 9 years, 10 months ago

If i put cheese in a mousetrap, I catch mice, however, if I just scatter cheese all over the floor...

Hong_Kong_Phooey 9 years, 10 months ago

You know...there ought to be a limit to the number of times people can post to this in a day. Then, the rest of us won't have to be subjected to your mind-numbing exchange about cheese and how you make it - or what your favorite little dish is... God, the LJW is worried about people not wanting to participate b/c of obscene language - this type of crap is what makes people not want to come back, except for the five or six people who...KEEP...ON...POSTING....ARGHHHHH!

snoozey 9 years, 10 months ago

Yes- more money to ship them out of town. I would suggest that each person who believes we should spend more money on them here adopt a homeless person to take care of during their stay in town. This would be quite satisfying for all.

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