Letters to the Editor

Letter to the editor: Family values?

October 13, 2017

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To the editor:

Is Lawrence a place people want to bring their family to live?

With drag queens reading stories at our library (oh be careful little ears what you hear), stores promoting witchcraft (be careful little eyes what you see), and zombie parades — is this a place children can grow up with Christian values which is what this country was founded on? Is this a city God would be proud of? What kind of role models are we giving children? Come on Lawrence. Do the majority of you really like all this? I hope not. Time to speak out. God is watching.

Comments

P Allen Macfarlane 2 months ago

So, the only family values that matter are the so-called Christian values? By the way, as men of the Enlightenment, many of the founding believed in a deity with a lower case "g". Evidently, they didn't get the word that we live in a Christian country.

Pete Kennamore 2 months ago

John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Ethan Allen, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Thomas Paine and George Washington among them.

Justin Hoffman 2 months ago

Evidently, you have never read the Declaration of Independence so I'll help you out. When the framers refer to God in this document they use a capital G not a lower case g as you falsely state. Obviously then they were referring to the God of the bible. Hmmmmmm.

Pete Kennamore 2 months ago

suggest you read something other than a bronze age collection of fantasy stories about a sky fairy.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 2 months ago

And Christianity is the only religion that believes in God? And all Christians hate people who are "different"?

Justin Hoffman 2 months ago

If it is was not the God of the Bible please teach me what god they were referring to and provide evidence as to why they would support this non biblical god. Were they Muslims? Lol (This ought to be good) snicker

Kendall Simmons 2 months ago

P. Allen MacFarlane DID NOT SAY that the Declaration of Independence used "god" instead of "God". Sure sounds like you're bearing false witness to me.

Lewis Thomason 2 months ago

The Declaration of Independence is an explanation of why the colonies were separating from England and is not a founding document of the United States the Constitution is the basis of law for this country and has no mention of any deity because it defined a secular nation.

P Allen Macfarlane 2 months ago

"When the framers refer to God in this document they use a capital G not a lower case g as you falsely state."

Please work on your close reading skills. Evidently, you didn't pick up that skill at OSU. I did not falsely state. The key phrase reads "many of the founding believed in a deity with a lower case "g"." The key word here is many, not all.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 2 months ago

The Declaration is declaring independence from Britain. It is not the founding of our country. That's the constitution. Asleep in in history class, Justin?

Justin Hoffman 1 month, 4 weeks ago

Wrong. It IS a founding document of our country. Looks like you were the one sleeping...or skipping for some useless protest. LOL!

https://www.billofrightsinstitute.org/founding-documents/

Justin Hoffman 1 month, 4 weeks ago

P.S. Constitution is capitalized but given your hatred of it I'm sure you meant to use a lower case c. You were a teacher? SMH

Charles L. Bloss, Jr. 2 months ago

Great letter, Fran, and I agree with it.

Cary Ediger 2 months ago

Hey Fran check out Matthew 7:1-3

Have a great day.

Justin Hoffman 2 months ago

Hey Cary, check out James 5:20

Have a great day.

Rick Masters 2 months ago

At the library, you can check out 3:10 to Yuma.

Ray Mizumura 2 months ago

Better than reading Justin's comments, though. Not hard to achieve.

Justin Hoffman 2 months ago

What a great letter! I'll play along and answer her questions. No, no, no, bad, yes-it's liberal Lawrence.

Unfortunately, many on here are ignorant to the writings of our founding fathers and have never taken the time to fully read AND understand their writings. This country WAS founded as a Christian nation under one God and those who believe otherwise only do so because it fits their narrative.

Kendall Simmons 2 months ago

Thank god for the First Amendment and the protections it offers against so-called "Christians" who behave faaaaar more like Pharisees than they do Christ.

P Allen Macfarlane 2 months ago

Gee, Justin must know something that historians of the early American history must have missed.

Jim Slade 2 months ago

Apparently you've never read the Treaty of Tripoli of 1796 that was unanimously passed by the House and Senate and signed by 2nd president of the U.S. John Adams.

Specifically Article 11 of the Treaty: "ARTICLE 11. As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. "

Rick Masters 2 months ago

Don't forget skating rinks made of plastic; movable man-made wetlands; tacos at various restaurants for $1 on Tuesdays; a park dedicated to Frisbees and skateboards; not one, not two, but three Dollar General stores; students disrespecting athletes by holding newspapers up in front of their faces; intermittent internet; a donut shop named Wake the Dead; people racing bicycles down city streets on the Lord's Day; cryptic messages on the Hite Collision sign; Meadowbrook apartments; and chicken - so much chicken!

The Devil is loose in our town and the waters of the River Sin are rising. Get out while you still can!!!

Fred Whitehead Jr. 2 months ago

Ha, ha, very funny Rick. Keep your dauber up!!

P Allen Macfarlane 2 months ago

Just remember that Jesus saves at 5th and Main!

Brock Masters 2 months ago

I don’t have a problem with Drag Queens - they have been entertaining people for years especially in Las Vegas. I do have a concern if this type of entertainment is appropriate for children. I suppose that is for the parents to decide.

I just question why, with all the child entertainment choices, the library chose this form? Was it because they thought the children would find it entertaining or to promote a social agenda?

Just as parents have a choice of whether to bring their children, adults have a choice when it comes to funding issues.

Carol Bowen 2 months ago

I have to admit that I wondered what the library was trying to accomplish. And, I actively discourage my grandsons from thinking zombies are cool. We can choose not to attend events, leaving the options open for people who are interested. I’m fine with equal rights for all. It’s too bad we have to make equal rights issues such big deals to find resolution.

P.S. Those of you who use biblical quotes, could you give your readers more information on what you are trying to say?

Fred Whitehead Jr. 2 months ago

Who are YOU to establish "family values"? Do you not have control over your own family and have to rely on "religion" to establish them?

The King James Bible was created by the Council of Hampton Court at the order of King James of England to conform to the king's notions of religion for the Church of England. Those who did not comply with the king's wishes were beheaded...

The notion that there is some old guy sitting on a cloud passing out "blessings" and thunderbolts is curious to me.

This country is a nation of many religions. Your strange notion that we should all be guided by one is also curious to me.

Kendall Simmons 2 months ago

And it's so weird that so many of those Christian denominations are saying that they are the one true whatever.

Heck, I remember being told by a couple of people from Mustard Seed that it's wonderful that I've accepted Christ (I haven't - I just said I had for purposes of curiosity), but that I'm not truly saved unless I do it through Pastor Whoever at Mustard Seed. I even made them repeat their claim and asked if they were serious.

They gave me this convoluted "argument" to justify their position. I asked them to point out where the bible says any such thing. They began citing verses and twisted them together in a manner supposedly intended to make their point. So I asked them where the bible mentions Lawrence. They couldn't...and left.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 2 months ago

Zombies and drag queens??....NOW we know why we have Trump!!.l

Louis Kannen 2 months ago

Fran, thank you for your spot-on letter! The very idea that your Community would actually sanction this kind of misguided City Library 'Presentation' directed at your formative, impressionable children on the part of a DEMANDING 'lgbtqxyz' minority spewing a sense of 'OK'ness of missguided, aberrant lifestyles is truly beyond belief. Thankfully your comments speak to the fact that a sense of Christian Values and a destinct Moral Compass are, in fact, STILL ALIVE and WELL in Lawrence. God bless you!

Kendall Simmons 2 months ago

There's nothing misguided about it. You sound like the sort of person who would have been trying to block black kids from going to school with whites because the bible calls them "mud people"...except that it doesn't.

P Allen Macfarlane 2 months ago

My, my, my! Being judgemental is antithetical to the teachings of Jesus. Casting stones is not what a real Christian is supposed to be doing. You are out of line!

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 2 months ago

Carol is right. There are a lot of activities at the library. Your children are not forced to attend the ones you don't like. As much as I would like to I would never tell the Westboro jerks they couldn't be jerks. But I won't attend their "church" or talk to them. I don't like churches who hate others, but I don't call to shut them down, I just don't go there. Why can't you give the same freedoms to others?

Why do you want to force your values down other's throats. And do you boycott all these actors movies? They have all entertained in drag. A long time ago only men were allowed to be actors. Who do you think played the female roles? Ever read Shakespeare? William Defoe Tyler Perry Tony Curtis Jack Lemmon Tom Hanks Peter Scolari Robin Williams Patrick Swayze Kurt Russell John Travolta Jamie Farr Dustin Hoffman Adam Sandler Billy Crystal All of the Monty Python troupe Jonathan Winters Milton Berle Harvey Korman Flip Wilson The Three Stooges

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 2 months ago

And also, Fran. We all know the difference between reality and zombies. We also teach that to our children. It's fiction. If your religious beliefs are shaken from fictional characters, I would say your faith is not very strong. So turn your lights of on Halloween, and no cute little kids will come get your candy. You can have it all to yourself.

Richard Aronoff 2 months ago

WHY?? What was the point the library was trying to make? What book was read to the children and what were their ages. Was the reader presented as a man in a dress, as a transgender person or just a lady reading a book.

Bob Summers 2 months ago

What is the problem?

Larryville is perfect for people with the Liberal genetic condition.

If your kid does not have the condition, years down the road, they'll all have a good laugh at the silliness of these types of people moving about town.....that is, if they are not shot by all the gun play these people foster down town.

Richard Aronoff 2 months ago

“Our form of government has no sense unless it is founded in a deeply felt religious faith, and I don't care what it is." -- Dwight Eisenhower

FDR once said of his ancestors, “In the dim distant past they have been Jews or Catholics or Protestants. What I am more interested in is whether they were good citizens and believers in God.”

P Allen Macfarlane 2 months ago

Could just as easily be a god or a God.

Louis Kannen 2 months ago

Kendall, for your edification, 'misguided' as in 'confused'. Additionally, 'conclusion-jumping' has a tendency to foster a strong sense of understandable mistrust in the individual doing the 'jumping'. Your overly presumptive and completely baseless accusation is just that, baseless and without merit of any kind. Hope your day's been a memorable one for you.

Kendall Simmons 2 months ago

The fact is that you were specifically running down people whose gender-orientation and/or lifestyle simply doesn't match yours. Hard for you to legitimately claim that I was jumping to a conclusion about your attitude toward people who are "different" in a way that you don't approve of when that's exactly what you were doing. Heck, you were doing it in writing.

Ray Mizumura 2 months ago

I like how Thomas Paine described religions (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) in "The Age of Reason." He called them human creations designed to "terrify and enslave" people. Plenty of proof for his take throughout history and this message board.

Sylvie Rueff 2 months ago

There is no mention of "God" or "god" in the Constitution of the United States. The Declaration of Independence mentions God once, in "When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation." Purposefully, neither of these founding documents refer to any set of religious beliefs or sects.

Michael Kort 2 months ago

Humans have always tried to CREATE a god "in our own image" which is usually used to create death and mayhem universally .

I feel sorry for the well intentioned individuals who founded this or that religious traditions because it doesn't take long for the next generations power mad murderers to seize on an ideal opportunity with religions, to create divisions that require the "ultimate solution" of bigotry and murder, that idiots with their own CREATED god on their side, often run freely to, to embrace in any good old excuse to kill others, non believers, etc..

Look at the history of this world and it's religious killing,...... only to be complimented by political nationalistic murdering ........woo hooo !

We humans should keep it up.....because the roaches are just waiting In the wings to replace us after a religious or political nuclear WW 3 ......and God might just be on the roaches side .......AND GETTING BOARED OF US HUMANS WHO JUST NEVER SEEM TO WANT TO LEARN .

Michael Kort 2 months ago

I saw little Stevie Bannon on the network news off courting the so called " Christian religious wrong" in his quest to remove the Republican Party and it's leadership, that had the great misfortune of giving birth to his evil empire of personal power driven by his godly (?) personal bigotry .

.............NEXT SCAM PLEASE !............WE CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT IT !

Bob Smith 2 months ago

Interesting that LJW hasn't said so much as "peep turkey" about the current scandal involving Hollywood elites and big-ticket Democratic donors.

Ray Mizumura 2 months ago

So what? There is news of more relevance to Lawrence and Kansas. You have many other options for such coverage and so do LJW readers in general. You're "peeping turkey" about this only because you're interested in scoring political points, not because you're concerned about the victims or about sexual harassment.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 2 months ago

Oh don't even start. You are the one who elected a president who bragged about grabbing women, because he is a celebrity and can get away with it. Just because he has somehow gotten away with it, doesn't make it right.

Kevin Elliott 1 month, 4 weeks ago

  1. Christian does not equate to family values. In fact many studies show families that identify as fundamental Christians have a higher divorce rate, domestic violence rate, sexual abuse rate and score low on any happiness quotient.

  2. I would rather have my child cared for by a drag queen than a person who believes that God wants him to spread hate, anger, fear and judgment as a message of a loving God.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I just happen to think this one is against Christian values, against human values and is born of fear, ignorance and hate.

Those were never my family values.

Richard Aronoff 1 month, 4 weeks ago

Sylvie: the Constitution is signed "in the year of our Lord"

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