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Letter to the editor: Strategy for Trump

December 8, 2017

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To the editor:

My wife recently suggested a brilliant tactical move the president should consider, one that would allow him to escape the consequences and the questioning of everything he’s ever said. And isn’t that, after all, what he most wants?

“Why doesn’t he just admit he’s a liar?” she said.

Why not indeed?

Wouldn’t all of America’s factions be able to unite in believing and agreeing with those words from the president?

With those words, wouldn’t the president set himself a standard of leadership at which he would always magnificently succeed?

Wouldn’t those words give him blanket deniability on everything he’s said that made us think he colluded with Putin or groped women or did crooked business deals?

Maybe the president should just announce with a shrug, “Hey, I’m a liar.” It could be a brilliant tactical move for him, and gain him the unique spot in American presidential history he’s always known he deserves.

Comments

Brock Masters 5 months, 2 weeks ago

It wouldn’t work but it’d be fun for a while as networks like CNN who take the opposite side of everything Trump would gleefully hve pundits declaring, “Well, Chris, we know Trump hasn’t ever been honest so why should we believe this? I have to say, Trump is lying when he says he is a liar.” They would all agree, their empty heads filled with joy.

Steve Hicks 5 months, 2 weeks ago

Yeah, it's a famous ancient Greek paradox (Epimenides Paradox): how should you interpret a liar's admission that he's lying.

Probably we could leave the president's self-referential admission of lying entirely in his own twisted reality, where it originated. His perceptions don't exist in the real world, so there's no possibility of interpreting them in real-world terms.

Steve Hicks 5 months, 2 weeks ago

Thanks, BS. I'm flattered. But it's actually "Truth vs. the Trump White House," and I'm not the only person who reveres Truth.

Truth wins, of course. So you might want to check your bearings, BS: you usually seem to root for the losing side.

Bob Smith 5 months, 2 weeks ago

In case you've not noticed, SH**, a Republican is the President right now. Not exactly the losing side.

Cary Ediger 5 months, 2 weeks ago

Popular vote:

DT - 62,984,825

HC - 65,853,516

hmmmm seems someone lost.

Justin Hoffman 5 months, 2 weeks ago

A refresher course on how our president is elected would serve you well Cary.

Cary Ediger 5 months, 2 weeks ago

You did notice I typed "Popular vote" ?

Electoral vote:

DT- 304

HC - 227

Bob Smith 5 months, 2 weeks ago

The Constitution, Cary! Have you read it?

Steve Hicks 5 months, 2 weeks ago

Political "winning" is the definition of "transitory," BS...ever notice that ? Let's talk the moral certainly of how the real world works: what your mother tried to teach you with "liars never prosper, and cheaters never win."

I don't believe that Trump being wealthy, and president, negates moral reality. But you go ahead.

Bob Smith 5 months, 2 weeks ago

"Political "winning" is the definition of "transitory," ..." So is proclaiming that someone is on the losing side because you don't agree with them. Hoist on your own petard you are.

Steve Hicks 5 months, 2 weeks ago

Nah, you missed it again, BS. It's not about whether somebody agrees with ME or not. The point is being in agreement with what's true and what's right in the real world: which I try to do, and think all honest and good people should.

Steve Hicks 5 months, 2 weeks ago

Maybe that was an unfair argument to hit you with, BS. "Right" is after all a concept whose meaning philosophers are still haggling over. Let me bring it down to earth a bit.

The opening spiel of "Superman" on TV said he was a champion of "...truth, justice, and the American way."

Go with that. That's the winning "side" (as you call it).

Your comments seem to show you've mistaken your "superman" (or "ubermensch," if you're more comfortable with that term) for a "winner."

Not trying to give you a hard time, BS. Just saying you can change your mind, any time you will.

Steve Hicks 5 months, 2 weeks ago

Gee, BS, you wouldn't be dodging the question, would you ?

is "truth, justice, and the American way" the winning "side" (as you choose to construct reality)...or principles for "losers" (as you choose to judge people) ?

Steve Hicks 5 months, 2 weeks ago

BS...is "truth, justice, and the American way" the winning "side" (as you choose to construct reality)...

or not ?

Steve Hicks 5 months, 2 weeks ago

BS...you there ? Still waiting for your answer.

Steve Hicks 5 months, 2 weeks ago

Does your refusing to answer mean you don't know enough about what you're talking about to answer a simple "yes" / "no" question, BS ?

If that's NOT what you want us to understand by your unresponsiveness, BS, just say so.

Gary Stussie 5 months, 2 weeks ago

Steve can't limit yourself to the Clinton News Network, All About Clinton or Nothing But Clinton and maintain that you revere the truth!

Steve Hicks 5 months, 2 weeks ago

Sorry to puncture your stereotype, Gary. If you've saved the receipt, you can probably still take it back to Limbaugh, Trump, Breitbart, Faux News, Russian hackers, or whoever you bought if from.

I mostly follow the news via PBS, NPR, PRI, BBC, the NYT, CBC, and ABC (the "A" in that one is for "Australian").

Do you have any semi-clever nicknames for those news-organizations ?

Geoff Ermlap 5 months, 2 weeks ago

Well Bob, yes he did win and he is a perpetual liar even on many occasion when the truth was glaringly obvious. Is the lesson here then, its ok to lie if you win.

Bob Smith 5 months, 2 weeks ago

That tactic worked for Harry Reid when he lied about Romney not filing tax returns.

Greg Cooper 5 months, 2 weeks ago

"He did it so I can, too." Childish, immature, and not germane to the argument. But you know that, and use it because you have no cogent argument to offer. Good job, Bob.

Richard Riddle 5 months, 2 weeks ago

Steve Where were you during the Obama years? Your pursuit of truth seems to untrue.

Brock Masters 5 months, 2 weeks ago

If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.....

The police acted stupidly......well at least until the facts came out.

Steve Hicks 5 months, 2 weeks ago

Been right here since the Truman administration, Richard. Truth hasn't changed an iota when any new president took office, ever.

So, do you find otherwise ?

Steve Hicks 5 months, 2 weeks ago

Richard...it's not a rhetorical question.

Does Truth change according the change of presidential administrations ?

Steve Hicks 5 months, 2 weeks ago

Richard...waiting for your answer:

Does Truth change when a new transient politician becomes president...or not ?

Steve Hicks 5 months, 2 weeks ago

Richard, if you are saying anything meaningful about Truth, it's surely because you have an understanding of what Truth is, and what's its nature. You're therefore the kind of expert who should be able to easily answer a simple "yes" / "no" question about Truth.

So...does Truth change with every new political change of presidential administrations ?

Gary Stussie 5 months, 2 weeks ago

Interesting to see that TRUTH has become so important to our liberal friends who have been peddling Moral Relativism for decades!

Moral relativism is a philosophy that asserts there is no global, absolute moral law that applies to all people, for all time, and in all places.

Moral relativism didn’t originate on the right. The idea of TRUTH as a malleable product of one’s personal upbringing and perspectives isn’t a conservative one. On the contrary, it is the left that has been pushing us to “progress” in this direction.

Oddly enough, many who believed in relative morality are outraged and absolutely sure that those who engaged in deception ought to be punished for their unethical moral behavior. This type of reaction speaks loudly to an important truth: moral relativists have a rather dim view of moral relativism when it negatively effects them ... as seen with the outrage at President Trumps exaggerations and embellishments.

Let the moral relativist be lied to, be the victim of false advertising, or of a crime and he instantly becomes a moral absolutist. A person’s reaction to what he considers unfair ethical treatment always betrays his true feelings on the matter of relative vs. objective moral laws....when things go wrong for him.

Daniel Kennamore 5 months, 2 weeks ago

Moral relativism has nothing to do with whether or not facts are true.

Maybe you should have better than a weekend seminar understanding of a topic before talking about it as if you're an authority.

Steve Hicks 5 months, 2 weeks ago

Gary, can you see that arguing "the Liberals lie," and "Clinton lies" (and as BS says below, "the fake media lies") is irrelevant in discussing the lies of the current president and today's "conservatives" ?

"They did it too" or "they did it first" is probably only convincing argumentation for first-graders, don't you think ?

Are you arguing that your favorite liars were forced to lie because of other people's actions ? That they don't have any personal choice in their own (im-) moral actions ?

Or if you're arguing that "(insert your preferred enemy's name here) did worse things than we did," do you realize you're admitting your "side" did bad things ? That "worse" is a comparative, and only works if you start from "bad" ?

Think, Gary. Examine with a critical eye that script your handlers gave you to read. It's full of holes.

Gary Stussie 5 months, 2 weeks ago

Clinton lies to avoid the problems the truth presents to her. Trump lies because the truth is not just inconvenient to him, but meaningless and even irrelevant. These are different things, with different consequences.

The consequences of Clinton’s type of lies are well-known: Some politicians will lie to gain power, lie about abuses of power, and lie to cover up their ill-gotten rewards from the power they wield. These are despicable actions, and they have greatly contributed to our deep collective skepticism of our institutions and government. But they are reversible: The solution is to elect people who are honest, who will refrain from corruption, and who will clear out the rot of our institutions. Easier said than done, of course, but not patently impossible. Examples: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman". "There was no classified material on my server".

Trump’s lies, on the other hand, are different. He rejects the idea that honesty as humans have always conceived of it is even possible. He dismisses the potential for corrupt institutions to be cleared of their corruption — except, naturally, with his election. His credentials for doing this, though, are questionable at best, because he doesn’t even accept the truth about his own life. He will tell you whatever he needs to tell you to proclaim himself a change agent and, most absurdly, a truth-teller.

Examples: “Our African-American communities are absolutely in the worst shape that they’ve ever been in before — ever, ever, ever.” “We have cities that are far more dangerous than Afghanistan.” “We have a trade deficit this year with China of approximately $500 billion.”

Excerpts from articles by Kyle Wingfield and Robin Schumacher

Bob Smith 5 months, 2 weeks ago

In other news about the President: "...CNN becomes the third major media outlet in the past week to rush out a “scoop” before checking its information thoroughly. And as it was with ABC’s Brian Ross on Michael Flynn and Bloomberg on Deutsche Bank, the immediate impact of these false reports was to create suspicion about Trump and his motives without any evidence. Perhaps media outlets should slow down and exercise the benefits of the “layers of fact-checkers and editors” about which we’ve been told ad infinitum. At the very least, let’s get an explanation as to how that failed in this case and Bloomberg’s (ABC has at least responded in regard to Ross’s false report). In the meantime, their consumers can’t help but draw the conclusion from the past week that the national media seems extremely invested in anti-Trump memes, and don’t take a lot of care in presenting them. They may not like the term “fake news,” but they’re not doing a very good job convincing their consumers that it’s a myth..." https://hotair.com/archives/2017/12/08/wapo-yeah-cnns-big-trump-scoop/

Thomas Bryce Jr. 5 months, 2 weeks ago

2 in 3 Americans disapprove of the job President Trump is doing. 3 in 4 Americans Disapprove of the job this Republican dominated Congress is doing. Someone please explain to me how Republicans can call this "Winning"? Go ahead. I look forward to hearing your reasoning on this .https://www.usnews.com/news/ken-walshs-washington/articles/2017-12-08/president-donald-trump-hits-new-low-in-pew-poll?src=usn_rd

https://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/congressional_job_approval-903.html

Greg Cooper 5 months, 2 weeks ago

And worse now. Doesn't seem as if the swamp-draining Chump has got a handle on that, now, does it?

Gary Stussie 5 months, 2 weeks ago

I suspect that the DNC and Democrats at large are going to regret initiating the Trump-Russia Collusion witch hunt. As it unfolds, it is becoming increasingly clear (to anyone who is open minded enough to listen) how politicized the Executive Branch of our government had become under the Obama Administration. If the Comey-Mueller-dossier mess does not cause you concern, your affiliations have blinded you.

Watch FOX or One America News (just once or twice) ... or watch the actual Congress Investigation coverage ... then ask yourselves why I am not seeing this stuff on ABC, CNN, CBS .... or any of the liberal rags that Richard cites.

Time will tell, but I'm betting CNN’s Amanda Carpenter was right on when she said “Who thought Obama’s legacy would be the destruction of the Democratic Party,”

Probably ought to figure out how to work with the Republican party because (as Fred endlessly points out) as the lefties and voting illegals become concentrated in coastal states they will typically only be able to count on 30 Senators and will draw the short straw in the Electoral College every time.

Let's help President Trump Make America Great Again!

Thomas Bryce Jr. 5 months, 2 weeks ago

This might help you understand why most people don't watch FOX "News" and why what is on FOX is not being reported on by other media outlets. It might help but I will not hold my breath. http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/fox/

Thomas Bryce Jr. 5 months, 2 weeks ago

And by the way The Republican party cannot even work with itself let alone Democrats or Independents.

Geoff Ermlap 5 months, 2 weeks ago

I suspect the white house is already regretting the Mueller investigation. I won't be surprised if Trump is guilty of many of the same crimes Manafort is guilty of. As the investigation continues it seems the smell test gets worse and worse for Trump. Not sure how the democrats initiated anything. NOTE: they are not in control of anything right now. Fox news is an opinion not news.

Gary Stussie 5 months, 2 weeks ago

We shall see Mr. Ermlap, we shall see! The smell is associated with the Mueller investigation team.

Steve Hicks 5 months, 2 weeks ago

Come on, Gary: you can pretend, but nobody's really stupid enough to believe that crap slogan.

You know as well as everyone else what the real-world results of Trump-rule have been...

Care to tell us why you believe lies, corruption, and chaos "Make America Great Again" ?

Gary Stussie 5 months, 2 weeks ago

lies, corruption, and chaos ... this will be Obama's legacy whether you like it on not!

Steve Hicks 5 months, 2 weeks ago

Gary, I keep telling you, and you don't get it.

Listen carefully.

"THEIR side is worse than our side" is

1.) First-grader "logic"

2.) Admission your "side" is bad.

Grow up, Gary.

Bob Smith 5 months, 2 weeks ago

The Hillary FBI investigation was fixed from day 1. The Trump investigation has also been fixed. The FBI has been deciding who is innocent or guilty before any investigation has taken place. Drain the swamp.

Mike Green 5 months, 2 weeks ago

Curious BS, you believe any Soviet involvement in our election? No debate, simple poll.

Steve Hicks 5 months, 2 weeks ago

"Drain the swamp."

Thanks, Bob for the reminder: I'd forgotten his other crap-slogan.

Time to trot them all out. A lot of people are waking up from their spell.

I doubt you'll be able to again bewitch the alert with those slogans again: they don't seem to be effective against facts, once people start paying attention to facts. But maybe if the president and all his flunkeys shout the campaign's incantations, continuously and at the top of their lungs, they will all magically fly away together to cloud-cuckoo land.

We can only hope.

Gary Stussie 5 months, 2 weeks ago

Russia involvement/attempted influence is a pretty certain thing. Mueller is supposed to be investigating Russia collusion. At this point he seems fixated on Trump but it is my fondest hope that he also examines the DNC and Clinton aspect of that collusion.

The DNC paid for the infamous Russian dossier. Why would we believe that they stopped there. There is some hope that he is going to be thorough and impartial as he appears to be looking at the Podesta Group.

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