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Voting rights group says 6,570 Kansas registrations purged

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach responds to questions outside the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals after delivering an argument in the legal fight over how the state of Kansas enforces its proof-of-citizenship requirement for voters who register at motor vehicle offices on Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2016 in Denver. (AP Photo/David Zalubowski)

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach responds to questions outside the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals after delivering an argument in the legal fight over how the state of Kansas enforces its proof-of-citizenship requirement for voters who register at motor vehicle offices on Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2016 in Denver. (AP Photo/David Zalubowski)

September 20, 2016

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— Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach has discarded as of August the registrations of about 6,570 prospective voters under a rule that allows him to purge them after 90 days primarily for lack of proof of citizenship, the League of Women Voters said Tuesday.

Those prospective voters whose names are missing likely registered at some place other than a motor vehicle office and so their right to vote is not protected by recent court orders compelling Kobach to keep them on the rolls. They would need to register again in order to vote in November.

"Today, it feels like a lot of people," said Marge Ahrens, co-president of the League's Kansas chapter. "We have many (Kansas) towns that are not that big."

Kobach's spokesman, Craig McCullah, said Tuesday he could not immediately confirm whether the League's figures are accurate.

The League purchased copies of the Kansas voter suspense list in March and in August, and compared them to calculate the total number of people whose registrations are missing from either the current voter rolls or the suspense list. Their names have been posted on the League's website so people can check to see if their application was thrown out.

That August number is down from the 18,762 of all prospective voters whose applications were thrown out between November 2015 and March 2016 because they did not provide the citizenship paperwork within the allotted 90-day period, Ahrens said. Kansas is one of four states that have passed laws requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote.

Fewer people were "purged" in the August listing primarily because U.S. District Judge Julie Robinson in May ordered Kobach to register for federal elections people who had registered at motor vehicle offices without providing documentary proof of citizenship, Ahrens said.

Most people register to vote when getting their driver's licenses. As of Sept. 1, there were 18,611 people who registered at motor vehicle offices without proof of citizenship, according to a court filing. The state has said that as many as 50,000 people could be in that category by the November election.

Those people can vote in the federal election in November, and a Kansas judge will hear arguments Wednesday on whether their votes will also count in state and local races.

Comments

Michael Powers 9 months ago

Thought you had to be a US citizen to vote? if there is no proof, there should be no problem. Now, these people should be notified

Greg Cooper 9 months ago

Correct, Mr. Powers. However, there is that inconvenient little part of the constitution that says one is innocent of voter fraud, or any crime or misdemeanor, unless proven guilty.

There are statutes covering voting. We did not need more when Kobach got on his political high horse, and we don't need more now.

CG Lee 9 months ago

@Greg - Exactly which part of the constitution are you talking about? Next when you find that section also look at the 2nd amendment and tell me where it states that you need to have an ID to purchase a firearm. Please be specific because if the 2nd amendment doesn't require and ID, then I am okay if the 15th Amendment doesn't either but make sure that we are treating all amendments with the same level of scrutiny.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 9 months ago

You do have to be a US citizen, Michael. But when I first registered and most people in the country, sign a legal affidavit stating, under penalty of law, that I am a US citizen. We have innocent until proven guilty in this country, at least for now, so if Kobach thinks someone lied when they signed this affidavit, then he can arrest them. Right now, he is saying we are all guilty until we prove ourselves innocent. Plus, it costs money to get a birth certificate if you have lost yours. This is the same as a poll tax.

CG Lee 9 months ago

I am concerned that if a person cannot obtain a birth certificate, how is it that they are well informed on the issues? It is not like the elections sneak up on anybody...they happen every 2 years in most cases and sometime sooner based on local elections.

I mean every time I hear that it is disenfranchising a voter by making them prove that they are a legal American citizen to vote, I wonder exactly how those people will ever obtain a job? How do they complete the I-9 form? This form requires you to either have a passport or 2 other forms of ID, one has to be a picture ID and the other has to be an authorization document, like a birth certificate or a SSN card.

Why is it that no one is up in arms about that? Why are we allowing the federal government to disenfranchise employment seekers??

Kendall Simmons 9 months ago

I don't know about you, but I have NEVER had to fill out an I-9 form to get a job. It's amazing, isn't it? I-9 forms are NOT required for ALL employment.

CG Lee 9 months ago

Actually, I am not sure where you have worked but it is currently not legal to hire anyone without it. The exception you may fall in is if you have been with your current employer before November 6, 1986. Any other jobs that you have had since then would be in violation of federal law if they did not complete an I-9 form on you. Don't just take my word on this, check out the site below.

http://www.fit.edu/hr/documents/FAQ%20I9.pdf

Barb Gordon 9 months ago

The other exception is if you're freelance, as explained on the FAQ you're linking. "Form I-9 is not required for independent contractors"

Barb Gordon 9 months ago

Kansas voter registration requires more documentation than an I-9 form.

CG Lee 9 months ago

@Dorothy - would you also be okay with me signing an affidavit to purchase a gun? I mean if it is okay with you for the 15th amendment the surely you are okay with it for the 2nd Amendment, right? If not please tell me why not...both are constitutionally guaranteed rights.

Cille King 9 months ago

There is no constitutional right to a free gun. There is a law that says there can't be a poll tax - such as requiring someone to buy their proof of citizenship or photo ID.

Richard Heckler 9 months ago

PROTECT YOUR RIGHT TO VOTE !

Voters need to become friends with Mainstream Coalition and stay in touch if voters want to take back their state.

http://www.mainstreamcoalition.org/calendar

Share this with friends and family.

Don't forget voters that the moderates cannot win without a heavy turnout. WE KNOW that this administration is involved in voter suppression and has been for quite some time.

WE also know that for whatever reason radical conservatives own the voting devices such as Diebold that also donate to radical right wing conservatives.

--- How many voters have radical RINO conservatives purged thus far? Surely we don't believe conservatives have stopped breaking the law.

Voters ORGANIZING A VOTING DAY PACKET might be a preventive measure which could include:

--- a birth certificate

--- a drivers license or state ID card

--- proof of voter registration etc etc etc.

--- Military Discharge Papers

--- Keep this packet close to protect your right to vote

Do it today in case it is discovered one or more of the above cannot be found. None of these are difficult to replace. But will take time.

Check your voter registration online by entering your first and last names and date of birth: https://myvoteinfo.voteks.org/VoterView/RegistrantSearch.do

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 9 months ago

Richard is right. Everyone must check their status, before the deadline to register. They are also doing some cross checking, and they are just going by first and last names, not SS numbers, or middle names. If you have an often used name, check your registration.

Chuck Holder 9 months ago

So now everyone in Kansas needs to go check and see if they are one of the lucky 6K who were dropped? I've been voting since LBJ and if my name has been dropped I'll be just a little more than ticked off.

Jim Slade 9 months ago

No, only if you registered 90 days or so ago and you did so at a location other than the DMV.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 9 months ago

Chuck, make sure you check. They are also crosschecking names with other states. Make sure you are registered, and make sure you do it before the deadline in October.

Rod Williamson 9 months ago

That's to prevent the THREE cases of voter fraud he prosecuted. All old white Republicans. Still waiting for the THOUSANDS of illegals he promised to prosecute

Barb Gordon 9 months ago

And none of them were voter impersonation fraud. They were old white Republicans who voted in two states. You don't catch that by asking for a birth certificate.

Richard Heckler 9 months ago

Don't forget voters that moderates cannot win without a heavy turnout. WE KNOW that this administration is involved in voter suppression and has been for quite some time.

WE also know that for whatever reason radical conservatives such as Diebold own the voting devices that also donate to radical right wing anti American conservatives.

COULD this be where voter fraud is alive and well?

Rick Masters 9 months ago

You know Kobach can't walk past a mirror without checking himself out in it.

Barb Gordon 9 months ago

He does have very well-styled hair.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 9 months ago

Kobach is a Nazi style fascist that has made it his crusade to deprive voters of their right to vote if there is a chance they may vote for the Democratic Party. He was elected by the voters in Kansas who toe the Republican Party line voting party line regardless of what jack ass is nominated. He has made appearances on the Clinton News Network repeatedly. Paid for by whom?? Think before you vote for a Republican again.

CG Lee 9 months ago

Amendment XV Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

No one can deny a legal American citizen the right to vote. I believe the constitution is clear, if you are an American Citizen (must have proof or anyone can claim to be one) then you can vote. If you are not a legal american citizen, you cannot participate in our elections.....too simple right?

Kendall Simmons 9 months ago

Unfortunately, we're all assumed to be liars and cheats now. Our word alone on the form used to be good enough. Now it's not...even though Kobach still can't find a non-citizen to prosecute.

Like it or not, making the process harder is abridging our right to vote. Making it cost money (birth certificates aren't free, for example) is also abridging that right. What SHOULD be simple is understanding THAT.

CG Lee 9 months ago

@Kendall - let me ask you the question this way: what if Canada wanted to influence and election in the united states and they wanted Gary Johnson elected to be president. What if they sent 5000 of their citizens to swing states that had no requirement to register to vote except signing a form saying that they are Americans.

How would you prove they were not? How would you be able to convict anyone who is now back home in Canada sipping wine laughing at our process? The only reason I can see is that someone wants people to be able to cheat the system without being caught otherwise, why not have a verification system in place to vote in our elections?

Wouldn't it be the duty of ALL Americans to ensure that our elections were free from any (wait for it wait for it) POTENTIAL for fraud??

Why do we have this fight every year when everyone has the opportunity to obtain their identification way in advance of those elections that never sneak up on anyone except I guess the people who are too ignorant, lazy or stupid to get an ID???

By the way, I will switch over to your side of this argument if you are just as passionate about no ID for the 2nd Amendment as you are for the 15th Amendment. Either we need ID for both or none right??

How would you be able to split hairs on rights granted by our constitution??

Cille King 9 months ago

CG Lee, you think that 5000 Canadians could swing an election in the US for a third party candidate for president???? HAHAHAHAHA

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 9 months ago

I think you do not understand how to vote. Have you done it before?

Register to vote. You must register to vote before whatever deadline has been set for that election. You stay registered, but you must reregister if you move, change your name, or your SSN. You should register with your middle name, so they won't confuse you with someone else, also. For the last over 200 years you signed an affidavit that you were an American citizen. If those who are in charge of keeping the elections legal, find out you are not a citizen, then they would arrest you. Innocent, before proven guilty. It's in the constitution. Due process, fair trail. Now in Kansas if you are registering for the first time (young people, people moving to Kansas), you have to show your birth certificate or your passport, and they take a copy. So, now when you register you are considered guilty, before you prove yourself innocent.

Voting - When voting begins in Kansas you must bring an id. Even if it's your mother working the poll, you have to show her your id. If you forget your id, then you can vote provisionally, then show your id at the courthouse before the canvass day, so your ballot will be counted. Older people, who no longer drive, and live in a retirement home, need no id. They can find a ride and go get one. If they live in Douglas County they can call the country clerk, and they will make a photo id for them and deliver it.

But if they have just moved to Kansas, they must have a birth certificate to register, even if they have been voting all their lives. I realize you must be quite young, but some older people were born at home, and birth certificates were not issued. And if you are born in another state you have to pay for a copy of your birth certificate. In Kansas it has to be free now, to avoid the appearance of charging a poll tax. Technically, Kansas should have to pay back anyone who has to pay another state to get their birth certificate. Of course, the modern day "republicans" have bankrupted our state, so there is no money for that. But that's another issue.

Do you understand the difference between a picture id and a birth certificate now?

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 9 months ago

How do we know that you were born in the US, CG. Show us your papers.

Steve Sharp 9 months ago

Kobach in a Nazi uniform is eerie in the utter knowledge that he would definitely have been a higher up in the third reich.

Sam Crow 9 months ago

This is what happens when advocacy groups set up a portable card table in front of grocery stores to “register” people to vote.

I always stop and listen to such people and tell them what they want to hear. They always tell me that all I “need to do is fill out this form and they will submit it for me.” Then of course there is a pitch for the cause they are advocating for.

They never explain the form is just part of the process that must be completed

Cille King 9 months ago

Which grocery stores are allowing groups to register voters and what groups are doing this?

Sam Crow 9 months ago

In recent memory, I have been approached by people with card tables in front of stores from an anti-carry group and an education funding group. asking me to register to vote on the spot. They have the form at the time for me to fill out.

But there are also non advocacy groups with card tables on voter registration drives. I have seen girl and boy scouts and fraternities and sororities on their quest to get their community services credits.

Cille King 9 months ago

I hope that all the 'groups', or individuals who are trying to register voters have knowledge of the Kansas laws so that they can provide the correct information to citizens.

With only about 1/3 of eligible Kansas voters having voted (the Gov was elected by less than 20% of the eligible voters) in the November 2014 election, I commend everyone who is working to register, inform and engage voters for the November 8, 2016 election.

Sam Crow 9 months ago

That was exactly my point from above.

"They never explain the form is just part of the process that must be completed "

How many of the 6570 just never completed the process ?

How many students register and then decide to vote at their full time home residence .?

Though you and I might not understand it, many people just dont care enough to want to vote.

Everything is not sinister.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 9 months ago

Yes, Sam. Please name this group. Or did you just hear this from your cousin's barber's wife's best friend.

Barb Gordon 9 months ago

Perhaps his trophy girlfriend. He may also be remembering things from a few years back when you could actually get registered to vote in Kansas without the birth certificate.

Richard Heckler 9 months ago

Violating voters rights is a well orchestrated event nationwide. It seems the federal government should have the FBI terrorizing these conservative voting rights terrorists 24/7 till they are shut down.

This plan has been working elsewhere throughout the USA with the assistance of Billionaires and Ballot Bandits - How To Steal An Election In 9 Easy Steps

--- http://www.gregpalast.com/ballotbandits/

Bob Summers 9 months ago

This is terrible.

It's terrible that people, who do not know who they are, do not get the same conveniences of people who know who there are.

Isn't there something taxpayers can do to take care of these poor souls that cannot figure out who they are?

There has to be something free to give them. Like government education? Or, free training methods to figure out themselves how to self identify who they are?

Barb Gordon 9 months ago

Don't worry, Tom Shewmon. We still know who you are.

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