A Kansas University assistant professor who used the N-word during a class discussion survived a discrimination complaint and investigation, but not the university’s employment review process.
KU will terminate Andrea Quenette, assistant professor of communication studies, at the conclusion of the spring 2017 semester, Quenette told the Journal-World on Monday.
Following her progress toward tenure review — routine for faculty in their third year at KU — the university formally notified her last week she would not be reappointed, Quenette explained.
Quenette, 33, said she “absolutely” believes the decision was based on events of the past year rather than her performance alone.
“I’ve been very powerless throughout the entire situation,” she said. “I still believe that I was assumed guilty, and I had to prove my innocence for all of the issues.”
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Quenette said she would teach an online communications course this summer and have a research-intensive semester with no teaching responsibilities in the fall. Her duties for spring 2017 will be determined later, she said.
She is undecided what she’ll do after leaving KU but is considering leaving academia and looking at jobs in the corporate sector.
“It didn’t work out the way that I wanted it to,” Quenette said. “I wanted to be able to stay at KU.”
In November, a group of graduate students in the communications studies program demanded in an open letter and on social media that Quenette be fired after she used the N-word during a class discussion about race.
Quenette did not direct the term at any person. Rather she stated that while outward acts of racism had been reported at other campuses, she had not seen “(N-word) spray painted on walls at KU."
That class discussion took place the day after a heated, university wide town hall forum about race.
Most but not all of the students who signed the open letter — which listed various other complaints about Quenette, including describing her as racially insensitive, defensive, confrontational, unprofessional and denying of institutional racism — were in the class.
Quenette requested and was granted paid leave while the fallout ensued.
Several students filed racial harassment and discrimination complaints with KU’s Office of Institutional Opportunity and Access, which concluded in mid-March that Quenette had not violated the university’s nondiscrimination or racial and ethnic harassment policies.
However, Quenette said her administrative leave was not lifted — allowing her to return to campus — until Friday. She said College of Liberal Arts and Sciences administrators asked her to remain on leave beyond the investigation’s conclusion and consulted students and other faculty about her in the weeks that followed.
“No other faculty member who went through the same type of review this year had the same types of questions asked about them,” Quenette said. “I don’t think any of the student concerns would have ever come to light had the stuff in the fall not happened.”
Explaining reasons for her non-reappointment, Quenette said the university cited student concerns in the November open letter as reasons she should not teach the basic course, meaning KU would need to hire someone else to do it. The basic course is required for communications graduate students to prepare them for teaching undergraduate public speaking classes.
She said there were also concerns about her research productivity, and department leaders advocated for her to have an extra year to catch up but were overruled.
“Working as basic course director, I was spending so much time and energy on the program I didn’t have as many publications as they wanted me to have,” Quenette said. “And the events of the past year didn’t really help.”
Quenette was previously scheduled for a research-intensive semester with no teaching duties this spring, but being on leave the entire semester meant she was not allowed on campus, which hampered her ability to access resources she needed, she said. She said the investigation also was emotionally difficult and a “huge distraction.”
Quenette said she appealed KU’s decision not to reappoint her through all available channels under university policy but was unsuccessful.
A KU spokesman declined to confirm or elaborate on Quenette’s employment situation.
“This is a personnel matter and is not related to the claims of discrimination raised to the Office of Institutional Opportunity and Access," KU spokesman Andy Hyland said. "As it is a personnel matter, we cannot discuss it further.”
KU’s policy on promotion and tenure states that promotion is based on “a thorough examination of the candidate’s record and the impartial application of clearly articulated standards pursuant to prescribed procedures.” Factors for consideration include teaching, scholarship and service and “no single source of information, such as peer review letters, shall be considered a conclusive indicator of quality.”
Following progress toward tenure reviews, the policy says, non-reappointment may be justified by poor performance of responsibilities; the academic unit’s plans for future faculty development; by budgetary considerations; or by a departmental, school or college decision that its needs should be filled with a different individual.
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Comments
Scott Callahan 1 year, 3 months ago
"Quenette, 33, said she “absolutely” believes the decision was based on events of the past year rather than her performance alone."
Of course it was. If an employer wants you gone, they have a million ways to fire you. Does Obama lose his job for publicly using the same word? Oh wait, he has a civil service position....
Brett McCabe 1 year, 3 months ago
Obama is an elected official - you realize that, right?
Paul Beyer 1 year, 3 months ago
Obama haters just have to hate, on every possible thread on forum.
Bill McGovern 1 year, 3 months ago
This is just KU looking out for itself and not their employees. Way to give into pressure and turn your back on one of your own faculty, shame on KU for this.
Brett McCabe 1 year, 3 months ago
At the very least, she should have been renewed for another year to address the issues stated for her dismissal. It's easy to understand how the entire episode would have hurt her work. Bad decision by KU.
Mike Riner 1 year, 3 months ago
Yet the University of Kansas doesn't care one whit if half the football team uses the N word daily. That's different I guess.
Barb Gordon 1 year, 3 months ago
If they're black, yes it is.
Patrick Mullen 1 year, 3 months ago
Inching closer and closer to becoming MIZZOU. Before you know it your basketball team will be terrible too.
Jess Miller 1 year, 3 months ago
As per my DNA test done by FTDNA I am 61% European, 20% Native American and 19% Middle Eastern. Anyone know what my race is?
Barb Gordon 1 year, 3 months ago
Human. Anything else is a construct. That said, it's a construct with power, and society has oppressed people using the construct of race.
Barb Gordon 1 year, 3 months ago
Oh really, Professor Johnson? Go on, then. Prove it. Provide me with a constant and fixed definition of race. Something biological. An objective definition that works across cultures. Something that, say, someone with light brown skin would be commonly defined by others as being whether they lived in the US, South Africa, France, or Japan. No judgement calls. If race isn't a construct, we should all be able to operationalize our terms and categorize everyone by it without any ambiguity.
While you're at it, you can perhaps explain why someone in America with "one drop" of dark-skinned Sub-Saharan African blood is considered black, while someone with one drop of light-skinned European ancestry isn't considered white.
Jerome Bradley 1 year, 3 months ago
I only see one race, ever, and it is the human race.
Barb Gordon 1 year, 3 months ago
It's too bad that being blind to it doesn't fix systemic bias.
Jason Vance 1 year, 3 months ago
So much for my alma mater standing by its employees. KU threw Andrea Quenette under the bus to ensure its PC bonafides. I'll stand with Andrea Quenetta, because she didn't do anything wrong and didn't deserve this treatment. My donations stop, now.
Bob Summers 1 year, 3 months ago
Too bad. But, what did you all expect? KU is a Liberal school. This is what Liberals do.
Alex Landazuri 1 year, 3 months ago
and every republican i know that uses that word does so in the manner which the word was intended (just in case you cant keep up, its a racial slur). so who is worse again? id say both groups are the same.
Bob Summers 1 year, 3 months ago
The Liberal condition has been genetically identified. Republicans, Democrats, Christians, Kafkaesque people, Blacks, Whites, etc. etc. etc etc. . are all subsets, groups, of the condition.
KU is full of the unique nature people.
Barb Gordon 1 year, 3 months ago
What Tom forgets to mention in his odd repetitive catch-phrase use of "liberal condition" and insistence that it's "been identified," is that he's pointed to an article that says people may hold more liberal opinions if they have a lot of friends and care about their opinions. So not having the "liberal condition" would seem to mean that he lacks adequate social skills and can't maintain friendships. Is anyone really surprised?
Jerome Bradley 1 year, 3 months ago
You cannot comment without saying "Liberal" or "Liberal Condition" in every single post. I would find it quite entertaining to see you at a restaurant:
"Yes, I will order the black and blue burger, with onion, tomatoes and lettuce, but hold the "liberal condition" as I am allergic. To drink I will take one of those beers from the liberal Free State brewing. Also, can you clear off some tables please? There is liberal all over them..."
Lewis Hardin 1 year, 3 months ago
She should file a discrimination lawsuit against the school and everyone of those whiney ass spoiled brats that signed the letter.you know as well as I that they listen to hip hop where the word" n" is used and if she were black and used that word this wouldn't have happened.
Denis LaClare 1 year, 3 months ago
I don't know all the details of her usage of the "n-word." It's obviously extremely offensive for African Americans (and should be for everyone else too). However, using a word does not make its usage racist per se. A similar example is when I asked my son what the kid on the playground said to him. He said, "I don't want to say it." I remind him that repeating the word to me does not make it profanity. Once an African American friend of mine got really upset after hearing the word "niggardly." That word -- nor its origins -- has NOTHING to do with the n-word. But because it sounds similar, this person took offense. Using words that are offensive should still be allowed to be used in certain situations. I am not saying Prof. Quenette should have used this word in this instance, but its usage does not necessarily indicate prejudicial or racist views.
Mike Riner 1 year, 3 months ago
If you are white, there (apparently) is no occasion where you can use the N word. If you are Black, you can use it with impunity and it's okay. (again, apparently)
Larry Renbarger 1 year, 3 months ago
It is offensive only if said by anyone not black.
Rob Barbee 1 year, 3 months ago
you know African-Americans. i didnt know that many Africans came over here and got citizenship. the ones i know are still Africans getting their education here and going back to Africa. i do know a lot of Americans that have a different skin tone then i do. I even have a friend that is African and looks like he is from the Middle East.
I remember when i was in college. there was a Student/Athlete that was filling out paperwork and was confused on what to put down for ethnicity. The teacher told him to put African because he was black. but the student said. I am from France, not Africa. Lets try to unite and become a damn UNITED country. i am not white. i am an American. I was born here, I was raised here.
Barb Gordon 1 year, 3 months ago
That's a lovely thing that someone who isn't black can say. And it's a nice sentiment. Unfortunately, ignoring race doesn't make the discrimination go away. It just allows people to conveniently sweep it under the rug and pretend they didn't see it.
Carol Bowen 1 year, 3 months ago
Wouldn't it be difficult to teach a course in communication if the teacher could only use words indicative of his/her own race?
Ben Calvert 1 year, 3 months ago
Free speech is truly dead on the campuses of most universities. Liberals hate free speech.
Brett McCabe 1 year, 3 months ago
Other than in your own imagination, where have you seen enough evidence of liberals "hating" free speech that you feel you can come out and say that they "hate" free speech?
If we hat free speech, there must be at least a hundred, easy examples you can cite.
Greg DiVilbiss 1 year, 3 months ago
I don't know about actually hating "free speech" but I have been to several lectures at KU where a conservative speaker has come in and the attempt to shout them down has occurred.
You can also see these attempts at Trump events.
This happened with Ann Coulter, J.C. Watts, I think it was David Gergen as well, at the Lied Center.
On the Flip side, I went and saw Richard Dawkins and saw conservative and religious people in the audience and there was no shouting, only listening. Even though I am sure they disagreed with him.
Jim Slade 1 year, 3 months ago
Umm... shouting down someone you disagree with IS ALSO free speech.
Barb Gordon 1 year, 3 months ago
Yes, if there's anything conservatives were known for during town hall meetings on health care reforms, it was listening quietly.
Armen Kurdian 1 year, 3 months ago
Let's see, safe zones, disinviting conservative commencement speakers, Black Lives Matter, LA Times stating flat out they won't print anything that denies global warming, shall I continue?
Suzi Marshall 1 year, 3 months ago
Brett,
The First Amendment, as well as the rest of the US Constitution, has been under intense attack from the left. The FIRE (thefire.org) commenced operations to combat the left to stand up for Free Speech on our college campuses. I'm sure you will see a significant lawsuit coming out of this.
www.thefire.org/?s=Andrea+Quenette
Alex Landazuri 1 year, 3 months ago
republicans hate it even more. they also hate you if you are any religion other than conservative christian denominations. they also hate you if you are not a white, rich male. nice try.....
Armen Kurdian 1 year, 3 months ago
A baseless rant vs. my provable points. Service ace to me.
Scott Burkhart 1 year, 3 months ago
Alex, your rant exposes you as a hater.
Brett McCabe 1 year, 3 months ago
Man, the stupid is really coming out today.
Juha Merikoski 1 year, 3 months ago
The totalitarianism of political correctness sometimes shows how stupid its adherents are. For example the comment about the word "niggardly" shows how ignorant the academic PC police are. "Niggardly" comes from the Old Norse (Icelandic) sagas and has nothing to do with color or race. It meant then as now, something a bit parsimonious. The contention that it "sounds like" the ""N word" is ignorant and shows hoe intellectually lazy the so-called student and leftist faculty are..
Larry Renbarger 1 year, 3 months ago
Oh God when does it end. This is nuts. This is the only word in the dictionary (any dictionary) that will ruin your life if you say it aloud. If some whites don't say "the word" it will go away in common uses and only be known to black people (kinda like the masons). They use it daily; probably more than once but I'm guessing. It must be a great word if they call each other that with gusto and back slapping and not ruin their lives. I'm so tired. I personally hate the word and haven't used it since I was a kid. But, in the name of God, how can it be used to ruin someone like this poor woman, who will now forever be labeled racist for telling the truth. Maybe, as a communicator she should have said something like, "any derogatory, insulting, low, disgusting, stupid, racist, politically incorrect, six letter words" This is a communications class! Good communications involves using the correct word to convey the correct meaning. There's only one word, in this case, that accurately conveys the correct meaning I feel she intended. Take what I wrote earlier and see how many meanings you can put on what I wrote.. Anybody wanna bet I can't think of at least 100? This woman is a professional. Her class isn't.
Give it a break. 80% of our population don't even think of the word; 10% are black and are excused; 5% think it but don't say it unless they're alone or in a crowd of people who are like minded; 2% say it just because they hate; 2% don't say it, they just refer to it, and 1% say it by accident or in their sleep. (all my estimates ).
Not to be taken as racial but could anyone tell me the racial mix of the complaintants.
Scott Callahan 1 year, 3 months ago
I actually applaud Obama for saying the word I can't use in this sentence without my comment being deleted. It's pathetic that we've gotten to the point where adults can't actually use a word, any word, not directed at anyone, without euphemizing it like we're protecting the ears of 3 year olds. Someone even took it upon themselves to rewrite Huckleberry Finn. Up next: Force Sylvester Stewart(aka Sly Stone) to change the title of his hard-hitting 1969 social anthem to "Don't Call Me N-Word, W-Word."
Elizabeth Franklin 1 year, 3 months ago
I don't understand this. KU is not right in this action but they have the right to do it. She used the word as an illustration to say that there is racism in the world. The fact that the students found something to complain about is beside the point. I feel that they should have said something to her to let her know that her students were upset but other than that they should have let it go.
Barb Gordon 1 year, 3 months ago
I agree. I think it was a bad call. It's also an illustration as to why we need tenure.
Renee Patrick 1 year, 3 months ago
Lets say we take race out and just say it is an offensive term, similar to the F word and other words like it. I know it isn't, but just for a moment... If a professor is spouting out profanities and they are reviewed for it by the university for creating a hostile learning environment, get by on free speech, but are then terminated, because they don't pass tenure review, are we still thinking it is a raw deal or that they are a poor teacher? Sorry for the poor punctuation there. Anyway, I am just thinking if they feel her teaching style was sloppy and that is what lead to the problem in the first place they may have some standard we aren't aware of. They may expect a certain level of eloquence she didn't possess. The use of inflammatory speech to drive a point may not be what KU is looking for in a professor. Perhaps she was delivering zingers in every class but this was just the most egregious.
Gabe Hoffman 1 year, 3 months ago
Easy Renee, you're making to much sense here. Clearly, this is a case of, well they can say it why can't we with impunity?
Paul Beyer 1 year, 3 months ago
To be fair, if she loses her job over this fiasco, every single student that signed the "unsubstantiated " complaint should be expelled as well.
Louis Kannen 1 year, 3 months ago
I will humbly submit that these 'student complainants' are most certaintly in for a very rude awakening when they exit their current 'coddled existance' and enter the real world. Furthermore, as a KU alum, I'm truly saddened that Andrea Quenette has become the 'victim' in all of this, ostensibly given the Administration's egregious decision-making policies. I wish her God's-Speed and the very best in all of her future endeavors.
Ginny Blum 1 year, 3 months ago
Students will be in for a shock when they enter the corporate world and discover that employees who generate bad press don't get suspended with pay for months and then told that in another year they'll be out of a job. They find themselves fired or "laid off" in pretty short order. She had her due process, she's been paid and will continue to be paid for another year. That's what I call a sweet deal.
Clara Westphal 1 year, 3 months ago
As a KU alum, I hope KU is not heading down the same path as Mizzou. Missouri has lost over 25% of its enrollment over the happenings there.
Best wishes to the young lady for her future. I am sure there is a good position for her in the academic world somewhere.
Andrea LeBeau SpottedHorse 1 year, 3 months ago
What bothers me about this is the fact that the word was used in a conversation and not directed towards someone in a mean way....two completely different situations. If the students can't handle a conversation, then the real world will certainly break them. I take KU Grad SW classes and there were discussions of issues among the Native population. Now did I get upset when we were talking about the term "Redskin"...no because it was part of an adult student conversation that contributed to the class discussion for overall learning and I know the difference. Now if someone were to deliberately call me that to purposefully offend me, then it's a different story, but that's wasn't the case. Seriously, ppl can find anything to complain about these days and it's like you can't sneeze without offense being taken.Man up!
Nathan Anderson 1 year, 3 months ago
Man up?! Sexist! Misogynist!
Harlan Hobbs 1 year, 3 months ago
With all due respect Mr. Beyer, what side are you on? Wait, I know. You think everyone who criticizes Obama is a hater at best or a racist at worst. On the other hand, you believe that the students who filed the unsubstantiated complaint should be expelled. Boy, does that run the spectrum.
I have only one question. Has anyone had the guts to start a fund for Ms. Quenette and her family? Living in Arizona, it would be a little difficult for me to do so, but with guidance on how to do it, I would. However, if one is set up, I will gladly donate money to it.
Finally, I think I have a good question for Mr. Trump to ask the American people, "Aren't you tired of failure?" That could be as powerful as Ronald Reagan's "Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?"
Paul Beyer 1 year, 3 months ago
Nowhere in the story was Obama mentioned, so why bring him into it? Sole reason apparently is hatred for Obama. As for students being expelled, why not? They cost a professor her job and damaged her future for no valid reason. And I have a very low opinion of anyone who brings national political figures up in a local situation.
Nathan Anderson 1 year, 3 months ago
https://www.gofundme.com/helpDrQ
Harlan Hobbs 1 year, 3 months ago
Obama is directly responsible for the conditions that have led to the rise of this liberal fascism, so Paul wake up and quit the propaganda. In classic liberal form, your new definition of "equal opportunity" is spread the misery equally, I guess. You are a liberal elite, who probably hasn't had a bright idea in 40 years. As low as your opinion of me is, mine of you is lower. There, we're even!
My offer regarding a fund for Ms. Quenette and her family still stands. Since I rescinded my pledge to the KU Endowment Association in our trust, I have some extra money to spend, and I couldn't think of a greater way to spend it. Absent a fund, I will locate Ms. Quenette myself and give my support directly.
Suzi Marshall 1 year, 3 months ago
KU Endowment called me looking for money. All I could do was laugh.
David Holroyd 1 year, 3 months ago
There are not any African Americans anymore than there are Portugese Americans. If you were born in America, then you are American. I agree with Mr. Harlan Hobbs, this young lady got shafted by as someone else said, a bunch of whining "nothings" , that be my word, "nothings".. The very ones maybe that had no respect for the Chancellor. and where did that get them.
Ms. Quentte should realize the university did her a favor. She can now get hired someplace and utilize her education and get out of Lawrence which is a town going nowhere.
As for this Paul Beyer, I doubt he even exists, but hides under a fake name. If he is real, then show up at my office at McDs on 6th street.
Paul Beyer 1 year, 3 months ago
Why should I go to that dump? To listen to an angry bitter old man? LJ World verified my existence, that's all you need to know on this forum.
Harlan Hobbs 1 year, 3 months ago
Great what a little research can turn up. If you google the name "Andrea Quenette" you can reach a site entitled "Andrea Quenette Academic Freedom Fund" that to date has raised $7575 from 136 donors in 6 months. Not bad.
I hope that all people who believe in the freedom of speech and academic freedom will donate as I will in about 5 minutes.
Please access the site. The picture of her and her family is darling. Also, in all of this, I haven't once asked about her political persuasion, because I don't care. My guess is that she is fairly liberal or otherwise she probably wouldn't have been hired by KU in the first place. However, this is about principle and the abyss that our country is heading toward.
Do you have the guts to do so as well, Mr. Beyer?
Armen Kurdian 1 year, 3 months ago
The fund was for her legal defense, I think it's OBE by now.
Scott Quenette 1 year, 3 months ago
We initially collected money to pay for a lawyer. Right now anything that we get over and above that will help us with the expenses involved in getting thrown out of the place you thought you'd spend the rest of your life.
I wonder how much this cost everybody else?
Jason Vance 1 year, 3 months ago
My annual gift to KU, will instead go to you.
Harlan Hobbs 1 year, 3 months ago
Thank you, Nathan, for also sharing the website. I apparently was in the process of writing one of my posts when you posted it, or I just missed it. Still I'm glad I did a little research of my own, because I learned a great deal about Ms. Quenette and her family. God Bless Them!
Harlan Hobbs 1 year, 3 months ago
Having taken the time now to read all of the posts, I tip my hat to all of you share at least some of my thoughts. Also, I do not categorize all liberals as hating free speech. My guess is that many liberals, if you were to ask them their position on individual issues, would honestly give answers that might question why they are liberals.
People like to postulate that the Republican Party has changed so much. However, I truly believe that the Democrat Party has changed even more. There appears to be no room any more for common sense in their party as the far left loons have taken over. Will be interesting to see how enthusiastically they support Hillary Clinton, who I thought was about as liberal as anyone until Obama and his crew came along.
David Paul Davenport 1 year, 3 months ago
KU has just invited the AAUP to place KU on the list of institutions condemned for failing to adhere to standards related to academic freedom. Too bad, it used to be an intellectually honest place.
Armen Kurdian 1 year, 3 months ago
This whole thing stinks. We'll never know if there was any other substance behind Andrea's termination. We'll also never know if there were other mitigating circumstances in other times in her classroom. Nevertheless, I am not happy how the university handled this, and this is not becoming of my alma mater. I am very, deeply disappointed in my school.
Scott Quenette 1 year, 3 months ago
I can say UNEQUIVOCALLY that Andrea had a spotless record on November 11, 2015. Course reviews, performance reviews, everything was perfect prior to this year.
Thomas Bryce Jr. 1 year, 3 months ago
I just heard on NPR (KANU 91.5) That KU has reconsidered and will not be terminating Quenette's employment. I guess they looked at this from a Legal point of view and realized they would be inviting a Wrongful termination suit. You can bet she is still a target and they will find another way, just not right now.
Scott Quenette 1 year, 3 months ago
This isn't correct.
Thomas Bryce Jr. 1 year, 3 months ago
Then NPR reported it wrong. You might want to contact them as to what was heard this afternoon on the radio. I am sorry if it turns out to be an error.
Harlan Hobbs 1 year, 3 months ago
I hope that you are right Thomas, regardless of what their motives might be.
To take this discussion to a more professional level (myself included), I was a regional Human Resources/Employee Relations Director for the largest telecommunications company when I retired. A major element of my career was working in Labor Relations as the company's representative in the last step of the employee grievance system. My counterparts on the other side were the regional Union Staff Representatives.
They were all professional, as I tried to be. We were ofgten perceived by outsiders to be adversaries; yet I didn't look at it that way. My philosophy was to try to resolve the differences where we could (which wasn't often) and respectfully disagree when we couldn't. Maybe I have lost a little of that patience as I have gotten older, but I guess that's the way it is.
One thing that I intentionally focused more attention on was termination grievances, because many arbitrators have called termination the employment equivalent of "capital punishment". I agree that this is a ludicrous analogy, but it is not my analogy but the analogy used by many who made the final decision in arbitration.
Termination is a mark on anyone's record which may or may not be explained sufficiently to a prospective employer. However, although the number of these cases was small in comparison to the hundreds of grievances I heard, I always took the cases seriously and can honestly say that my most rewarding experiences were those in which I could convince the Company that the person had been wrongly terminated, and the person got reinstated with benefits and most, if not all, pay restored.
I will admit that this didn't happen a lot. However, I will always cherish those instances where it did. I also took some comfort in the fact that very few cases ended up in arbitration because the Union recognized that the employee had committed sufficiently egregious act(s) to warrant termination. Finally, I had only one termination grievance decision that was overturned by an arbitrator.
In short, Ms. Quenette's behavior was not worthy of termination and would undoubtedly be overturned by an arbitrator unless KU can back up their statement that there is strong evidence of long poor overall performance. I doubt seriously that they can do this, and I suspect that their reasons are a pretext for the real reasons.
Finally, I am confident that things will eventually work out well for Ms. Quenette and her family. However, my biggest disappointment is with the KU administration. They no longer represent my values, so I have reluctantly severed all financial ties with them since this incident first occurred. As I told them, this was just the final straw on a pile that had been growing for some time.
Thomas Bryce Jr. 1 year, 3 months ago
I worked for KU for 20 years. I know the Human resources system well. When I was diagnosed as a Veteran with PTSD, Atrial Fib and suffered a few injuries that resulted in surgeries(Both shoulders, Carpal tunnel in both wrists and compressed discs in my Lower back) they essentially shut off any and all chance of advancement for me. They knew they could not terminate me so they essentially Starved me out. No Raises, no interviews for higher paying positions I was most certainly qualified for and definitely no chance of advancement to a managerial position even with all of my skills and years of service. I left for good reason, immediately found a much better job with much higher pay and am being trained for possible Management positions. This KU's MO. If you get hurt you are useless and a Liability. Mrs, Quennette brought attention(Negative) that KU found unsavory and was targeted for termination. This is how they Roll, so to speak.
Scott Quenette 1 year, 3 months ago
Let me clarify a misconception from the beginning. Andrea did nothing to bring attention to this incident until after an open letter was published and a comprehensive Twitter campaign launched by the students. This was supposed to be a closed, confidential process. It was only after these efforts that the LJ World contacted Andrea and the media attention grew.
All we ever wanted to do when we hauled our family halfway across the country (neither of us is native to Kansas) was to live a quiet, happy, anonymous life in a sleepy college town. I've been playing defense for 6 months in the media.
Harlan Hobbs 1 year, 3 months ago
My deepest sympathies to both Thomas and you, Scott. Best wishes to both of you.
I realize this has been a very painful experience for both of you and your families. I wish that there was more that I could do to help you. Any suggestions?
Scott Quenette 1 year, 3 months ago
I genuinely wish I knew what to do. Andrea is from Minnesota and I'm from North Dakota so there is precious little that ties us here. I just got a new job in KC that is worth staying for so we just have to hope Andrea can find a job (far, far, away from academia in my opinion) somewhere in KC.
Andrea is a kind, brilliant, teacher and an amazing data scientist. The letter and subsequent effort have been a carefully curated, collaborative effort to make a cohesive and damaging story for personal grudges and political gain. It is unvetted and unsubstantiated.
Richard Heckler 1 year, 3 months ago
KC is rich in the arts and growing. There are some areas in the KC metro area say near UMKC and the art institute neighborhoods that could be livable. Little pockets here and there.
While Lawrence is very nice it is definitely changing.
Mary Frances Stortz 1 year, 3 months ago
Wow, I used to come to Lawrence regularly for environmental refresher courses. Fell in love with Lawrence, wanted badly to get a degree from KU. Sounds like a real tailspin is going on. There is always an eager crowd wanting to bellyache and be the victim. A certain number of them pull stunts like this for attention and to maliciously damage other people. They seem to get some sick, cheap thrill doing this. I really do hope Karma chases them down in broad daylight and bites them on the***. It would serve both those students and the administrators who are more worried about their reputations than academic integrity right! As long as they are wiling to throw someone under the bus like this, I will not spend a dime with them!
Harlan Hobbs 1 year, 3 months ago
Scott, I lived in North Dakota back in 5th and 6th grades and through junior high. Also, I met my wife 37 years ago when she was living in a little town in northern Iowa, St. Ansgar, a few miles south of the Minnesota line.
Other than the years in North Dakota, I lived my entire life in Kansas before retiring to Tucson. I have always been impressed by how the hardy people of the northern plains were hard working, good solid people, with a wonderful values system. At least it was true in those days, and I doubt that it has changed much.
My only advice to you is to keep that job in KC and for Andrea not to give up on teaching. Not only is she obviously highly qualified for it, but it appears to be her passion.
On the other hand, if a change is necessary, I would advise her to investigate opportunities with companies using her data scientist background. I believe that she has a highly marketable skill there.
One quick example. My great nephew just graduated from Texas A&M with a Business degree and a major in "supply chain management". This area is highly data intensive, and he just got his first job as a Financial Analyst for a law firm in Houston.
You might ask, "What is the world would a law firm do with a financial analyst?" Frankly, I'm not sure, but the point is that people with data scientist experience are needed in practically all areas of the private sector.
Finally, the LJW limits a post to 3000 characters, so I may be reaching the limit. Therefore, I want to give you a cell phone number that I only use in emergencies. I usually don't even carry it with me. If you feel inclined, I would ask you to call the number and leave a message. I will check for messages and call you back. Don't be surprised if it takes me a day or two to call because I don't check the phone every day. The number if (520) 488-0350. If I get a few crank calls, that's "ok". I know where the delete button is.
Good luck and best wishes to all of you.
Richard Heckler 1 year, 3 months ago
Hmmmmmmmmmm a questionable call I say.
Obviously some students on campus need to learn more about what is racist and what is not.
Harlan Hobbs 1 year, 3 months ago
One last comment. Having now read all of the posts, I want to thank David Holroyd for his support. I have made a note of where your office is, and when I get back to Lawrence someday, I know where I will eat my lunch. Have been to McD's on 6th Street before so am very familiar with the location. Would love to meet you.
Bob Smith 1 year, 3 months ago
Lenny Bruce is spinning in his grave.
Harlan Hobbs 1 year, 3 months ago
Am sure the Lenny Bruce reference is a good one given my interpretation of your many past posts, with which I have almost always agreed. Would love to know the story about Lenny. I know the name, but not so much the history.
I know that he was a big "free speech" advocate and a profane comedian who I'm sure used the "n" word, as well as many other so called vulgar words, in his routines. Am I right?
Also, he clearly wasn't a conservative, so the liberal elites must have adored him.
Richard Aronoff 1 year, 3 months ago
If Renee Patrick had bent over backwards any further to make her point she'd be in a wheelchair.
There was no pattern of behavior alleged and several of the students who complained were not even present.
As for those other words, what if during a seminar on comedy in America, a professor referred to George Carlin's "seven words you can't say on TV." Should that professor be terminated?
I'm so tired of the PC word games. When you see N-word or F-word do you think noodle or flag? There are times when those words might be perfectly appropriate, Like in a graduate communications class discussion about racial tensions on college campuses.
Besides, as Mark Twain said, "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer."
Some people need to grow f-ing up.
Scott Quenette 1 year, 3 months ago
Let me say one more time. Andrea had a spotless record prior to that day. The students colluded to create that letter for their own personal and political gain.
Bill Turner 1 year, 3 months ago
More is required to pass a 3rd year review than a spotless record. While I think that the students are overly sensitive and need to learn the difference between a racist remark and the discussion of a sensitive term in an intellectual academic setting, that is not necessarily the point. How many articles did Prof. Quenette publish prior to her 3rd year review? Were they published in journals of the appropriate academic standing for a researcher at KU? Did she have a book contract? Was the book complete or nearing completion? How do these achievements compare with the requirements of her 3rd year review? A "spotless record" is undeniably desirable, but production of work is what is required, and there are metrics used to measure the quantity and quality of such work for a 3rd year review. It is obviously suspect that this dismissal comes after such a highly publicized incident, but it is difficult for us jurors in the the court of public opinion to decipher whether the dismissal was, in fact, for cause based on the evidence provided so far. KU cannot discuss personnel matters for obvious legal reasons. Perhaps, if you wish to continue waging this PR campaign, you can publicly and officially waive your rights to privacy and confidentiality and request that KU release Andrea's record so that we may know all of the details. If, in fact, Andrea met or exceeded all of the expectations as outlined at the time of her hiring, it would put KU in a very difficult position.
Scott Quenette 1 year, 3 months ago
Andrea was recommended for a 4th year review by the PTTR and her Department, not uncommon for someone to be allowed to catch up due to mitigating circumstances, that was rejected unilaterally by the dean.
Harlan Hobbs 1 year, 3 months ago
Mr. Turner, I do not dispute your sincerity nor your description of how things are in the academic world. You stated your position very well.
Your first sentence says it all when you say that having a spotless record is not enough. There lies the problem. Perhaps that is the case, but I would challenge you to identify any other of area of society where that is the case.
In the business world, you must distinguish yourself to advance, mostly because there is considerable competition for advancement. Yet, if you don't sufficiently distinguish yourself for advancement, that doesn't mean you lose your job. Businesses are better off having people grow to their highest level of competence, rather than invoke the "Peter Principle" where they are promoted to their level of incompetence.
I can use my own life as an example. I advanced to the second level of management at my company and was a strong candidate for the third level, if everything my superiors told me was correct. However, I never got there. Was it due to strenuous competition? Was it due to a lack of openings? Did the openings not particularly match my skill set? Who knows.
Nevertheless, I was never bitter about it, and although I was offered a third level position after I announced my retirement plans, those plans had progressed too far in my mind to change them. I have never regretted that decision, and I still hold the company in the highest esteem.
If KU is going to say that Ms. Quenette did not sufficiently meet the expectations that you say are required, can they assure everyone that every professor retained by KU has met those expectations? If they can prove it, then I will cut them a little slack. However, if they can't , then their stated position regarding her is simply a pretext for the real reason.
I'm rapidly running out of space for a post, so just one other thing. The inherent problem is that many liberal elites, especially those in academia, are basically arrogant snobs. They look down on common people and think that they are somehow inferior.
One visual example is that I cannot pick up a copy of the KU Alumni Magazine without seeing at least one picture of a gala event honoring something or someone. They all are "black tie" events, like in a country club setting. The only problem is that, in this country club, it is highly taxpayer supported. There seems to be no effort to control costs, which is the hallmark of most liberal pursuits in government which are good at spending other peoples' money.
Lastly, I have had to the great honor of corresponding with the Quenette family by e-mail. I will support them as best I can. I have profound faith that their lives will return to normal and that and they will be very successful. At least, that is my prayer.
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