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Brownback defends gun laws, says tax plan is working

Gov. Sam Brownback answers questions during a year-end, sit-down interview on Dec. 8, 2015, in his office at the Statehouse in Topeka.

Gov. Sam Brownback answers questions during a year-end, sit-down interview on Dec. 8, 2015, in his office at the Statehouse in Topeka.

December 27, 2015


— Despite protests from students and university officials across the state, Gov. Sam Brownback is making no apologies for new gun laws that will soon require campuses to allow concealed weapons on campuses.

Nor is he giving any indication that he's prepared to back down.

"It’s a Second Amendment right," Brownback said during a recent interview. "Some people would look at some things I suppose under any constitutional right and question it, but it remains a constitutional right."

Gov. Sam Brownback answers questions during a year-end, sit-down interview on Dec. 8, 2015, in his office at the Statehouse in Topeka.

Gov. Sam Brownback answers questions during a year-end, sit-down interview on Dec. 8, 2015, in his office at the Statehouse in Topeka.

In 2013, Kansas lawmakers passed and Brownback signed, a bill mandating that concealed weapons be allowed in nearly all public buildings unless adequate security is in place to prevent anyone from bringing in a weapon. Public colleges and universities were given until 2017 to come into compliance with that law.

In April this year, Brownback and the Legislature went even further, approving a bill authorizing people to carry concealed weapons without a permit or any mandatory gun safety training, provided they are not otherwise legally prohibited from owning a firearm.

Kansas University Chancellor Bernadette Gray-Little and 70 KU distinguished professors have publicly spoken out against the new law, as have faculty at Kansas State University and other institutions.

Meanwhile, the Kansas Board of Regents recently began drafting formal policies for how schools under its purview are to carry out the new law.

Brownback, however, said he does not believe imposing restrictions on gun rights improves public safety, citing the recent mass shooting in San Bernadino, Calif., as an example.

"California had a whole series of them in place," he said. "I think that’s people’s question. You get a situation like California that does have a series of limitations on gun rights, and you still have difficult situations that happen there."

Taxes and the economy

Brownback spoke during a one-on-one interview with the Journal-World, one in a series of year-end interviews that governors traditionally grant to members of the Statehouse press corps.

Heading into his sixth year as governor, Brownback has been plagued by a sluggish state economy, budget shortfalls that many critics say are the result of his controversial tax policies, and low approval ratings.

After barely surviving his re-election bid in 2014 — he won with less than 50 percent of the vote — a recent national poll by the political website Morning Consult rated him as the least popular governor in the United States, with only 26 percent of voters polled saying they approve of the job he is doing.

Brownback, however, said he senses things are starting to turn around, pointing to a month of good economic news in November showing unemployment going down and state revenues starting to rebound.

"I feel good. The tax plan is working," he said.

"Three of our bigs (economic indicators) are down: oil and gas is down; ag is down; and small jets, small planes are down," he said. "Normally for us, when three of your bigs are down, your unemployment rate is up. We’re at a 14-year low on our unemployment rate. So that part’s really been good. We’ve got record small business growth, a big migration of money from Missouri into Kansas. We’ve got really nice small business growth and wage growth."

He conceded, however, that there is one important trend that could spell trouble for the state in the future: a shrinking labor force, due in part to young people leaving Kansas to find opportunities elsewhere.

"That could restrain our growth, if we don’t get (population) growth," he said. "We did have in-migration in 2014, finally for the first time in five or seven years. We just need more people. We need more in-migration. My hope is, if you can get wage growth happening, then it’s worth more to move (to Kansas). And that’s what we need to have."

The one thing he said he does not want to consider is any retreat from his tax policies.

"The tax plan is working," he said. "I hope we don’t have a tax policy debate during this legislative session."

2016 session

Looking ahead to the next legislative session, which begins Jan. 11, Brownback said he hopes to make progress on several issues, including water policy and reducing the state's poverty rate, although he offered no specifics about bills he plans to introduce.

But one of the overriding issues, he said, will be the issue that has dominated most legislative sessions for the past 20 years: school finance.

"I think we need to really start looking at the long-term school funding formula and school financing to get more money into the classroom," he said.

During the 2015 session, at Brownback's urging, lawmakers repealed the old school finance formula, which sent money to each district on a per-pupil basis, and replaced it with a system of block grants while lawmakers work to devise a new formula.

But a three-judge panel in Shawnee County struck down that move as unconstitutional, and the state is now appealing that decision to the Kansas Supreme Court. Much of how the 2016 session goes, Brownback said, will depend on how the court responds in that case.

"It shouldn’t be anything like last legislative session," he said, referring to the record-breaking 114-day session in 2015. "But, you don’t know what the court may order and what wild cards are still to come in. If that comes in the middle of the session, you just don’t know what will happen to the session."

Medicaid expansion

Another issue likely to come up in 2016 is whether the state should expand its Medicaid program, officially known as KanCare, as allowed under the federal Affordable Care Act.

A number of Republican lawmakers have said Medicaid expansion could have passed the House in 2015, but GOP leaders in the House would not allow a debate on it, and many believed Brownback would have vetoed any such bill, even if it did pass both chambers.

Brownback, however, denied that he issued any kind of blanket veto threat. But he said he will only consider such a plan under certain strict conditions, starting with eliminating the already-existing waiting list for elderly and disabled Medicaid patients to receive nonmedical home- and community-based services.

"I want to take care of the wait list first, because these are people who have physical or mental disabilities that we’re not providing the full set of services to," Brownback said. "Before we go to able-bodied (individuals), we should pay for the full set of services for these individuals."

In addition, Brownback said any plan for expanding Medicaid must be fully funded, and it must include a work requirement for able-bodied adults.

"We’ve got to meet these conditions first," he said. "But I think most Kansas would say that makes sense. We should do those things first. So if they come up with ways to fund that, good, let’s try it."


Richard Crank 10 months ago

We have a governor who's deaf and blind. The people who bought his promises only now hear and see. But it's too late.

Joe Johnson 10 months ago

We have the same problem on the national level with the President.

Lawrence Freeman 10 months ago

Oh look, another brand new poster who wants to re-direct brownback criticism to Obama.

Bob Forer 10 months ago

anyone want to take a wager that this poster is not named "Joe Johnson" Wouldn't surprise me, as many conservatives are too cowardly to reveal their true identities.

Cait McKnelly 10 months ago

Brownback doesn't even live in Kansas anymore. He lives in a state of denial. His delusions are off the rails. For example there is this (re: Medicaid expansion): "...he said he will only consider such a plan under certain strict conditions, starting with eliminating the already-existing waiting list for elderly and disabled Medicaid patients to receive nonmedical home- and community-based service". There's just one big, fat problem with that. He's already (mis)appropriated the special grant from the Federal government that was meant to do that to cover the shortfall in the General fund. None of his "conditions" for expanding Medicaid will ever be met. By it's very definition, it's for the working poor. But mostly it's that "fully funded" sticker that will keep it from never coming about. The state is in such awful debt that it will take years to clear it. He and his kiss-his-butt legislature has damaged this state so badly it will take decades to repair it. Recently an acquaintance cried, "Will there be any 'Kansas' left to save by the time he's through?"

Ken Hunt 10 months ago

What is not working are the voters of our state. Why do they continue to vote against their own best interest. The current regime does not meet the needs of families in our state. We get what we deserve.

Phillip Chappuie 10 months ago

I've said it before. Sam's conditions on medicaid are nothing more than a lazy straw man excuse. The disability waiting list are completely separate waiver services for long term supports and not straight medical services. All those people on the waiting list already have medical services medicaid. So in a subtle sense, he is lying. Kansas could end those waiting list tomorrow if the legislature would allocate the funds to pull down the federal match. The tax plan is falling. And here we have yet another lawyer who doesn't understand the basic concept of "well regulated". Sam Brownback is nothing more than a babbling bobble head spouting fantasy. He has screwed up more state agencies and ran off more secretaries than anyone in Kansas history.

Bob Forer 10 months ago

It is amazing that this scoundrel at one time thought he was presidential material.

Thomas Bryce Jr. 10 months ago

What is scarier is that enough voters thought he was a good enough Governor the first time around that they elected him again and would probably have voted for him for POTUS if he had ran.

Barb Gordon 10 months ago

At least he ruined that potential. In a couple of years, he'll formalize his position with lobby groups on the books instead of just working for them under the table.

Lawrence Freeman 10 months ago

Kansas is number one! We managed to elect the worst governor in the nation!!

Jay Meyers 10 months ago

I have a valid argument with you on that point. I live in Michigan where our Governor knowingly has been poisoning the water of Flint for many months to save money. Lead, Mercury, arsenic, not stuff conducive to healthy children. Take heart Kansas... it could be worse.

Lawrence Freeman 10 months ago

And yet he still scored higher on a popularity poll! LOL

Evert Robinson 10 months ago

The people of this state have options. They need to put them in play if they do not like the political climate. Recalls,protest,lawsuits to name a few. They need to target key players and keep the media on there butt. Pick 3 key players and recall them promptly. There are groups everywhere to help fund their efforts. The same time you recall have 3 solidplayers willing to follow the same agenda as the voters,put them in play during the recall. Next pick 2 areas that you are dissatisfied with and create a truthfull fact sheet that the governor and his cronnies can not run from. This is just one way to make him a lame duck. This will at least give the voters a reprive from his draconian business practices.

Paul Beyer 10 months ago

Another brand new poster who loves brownie. Wonder where his check comes from? Signed by Charles or David?

Kevin Millikan 10 months ago

Of course his policies are working... I meet people all the time packing up and moving to Kansas in hopes of not expanding health care to their 75 year old grandmother...who we all know could work. I'm just soooo tired of the dementia card..

Fred Whitehead Jr. 10 months ago

Your governor is wrong, wrong, wrong on all issues.

His tax plan benefits the billionaire Koch Industries Regime that bankrolled his election campaign of hate and lies against his Democratic opponents in the recent sham elections.

And he is wrong, wrong, double wrong on his "gun laws" The NRA has created an attitude of hate and discontent against the current President of the United States by the stupid campaign that he is "coming to get your guns"

The Second Amendment says "a well-regulated militia" That was the intention 200 years ago.

This was at a time when having weapons were needed by the citizenry for national defense.
There was no military defense at that time. It was also a time when having guns was essential for feeding your family, there were no Hy Vee stores 200 years ago. And there is the issue of hunting, a very valid and sport. You do not need a weapon of war to hunt deer or birds.

You need a license and insurance to own and drive a car. You need a prescription to put dangerous drugs in your body.

So why should there not be reasonable regulations on the purchasing, owning and use of deadly firearms? Just because the governor hates the Democratic President of the United States and harbors this foolish notion of his "coming to get your guns" does not mean that we should not have some reasonable protection from idiots and mental cases owning weapons of war.

Kevin Crawley 10 months ago

There is a difference between a right and a privilege. What weapons of war are you referring to?

Lawrence Freeman 10 months ago

If you don't like the 2nd amendment Fred, feel free to try and change it by constitutional means.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 10 months ago

Who said I did not like the Second Amendment?? I am glad that it is thee establishing the need for a national defense organization, which we have today. I am wanting the NRA to stop using it to attack the President claiming he is "trying to take our guns away" which is hogwash. I want some reasonable and sane regulations on the weapons of war that are freely available to terrorists among the citizens of the U.S. I want some sanity in all matters of gun safety and use, not the present "Let's arm everybody so we can shoot someone who disagrees with us." The present stance of the governor and the NRA is madness.

Lawrence Freeman 10 months ago

The NRA doesn't discriminate. They will attack any president or congressman who tries to ignore or abridge the 2nd amendment. brownback cannot take credit or blame for current gun laws. That started when CC was passed over Gov Sibelius's veto.

Nor are current gun laws "madness". That term should be reserved for people trying to disarm the 99.9% of the law abiding citizens.

PS I f you shoot someone who disagrees with you, you will be tried and imprisoned

PPS The 14th amendments, due process clause prevents the removal of constitutional rights without cause..

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 10 months ago

So, Lawrence, are you saying the you love Brownback, because he is willing to have guns everywhere? Even if it destroys our great state? Most of the people I know have had guns with no problems at all before Brownback came along, and there never seemed to be a problem, except for the ones made up by the NRA and gun/ammo manufacturers. Now we will have guns in high stress environments, which will be even more high stress. For example, students who need high grades to keep their scholarships, because tuition has to go up to make up for the cuts. In courtrooms there will be more desperate people who can't afford lawyers to defend them, because the economy sucks. There will actually probably be more criminals in the courtrooms for that matter, probably more robberies, but they can buy their guns legally to rob a bank anyway.

Lawrence Freeman 10 months ago

Nope, brownback did not write the US constitution. Nor have any of your doom and gloom scenarios come to pass. But crime in Kansas has taken a major drop since CC passed.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 10 months ago

PS......Have you seen or obtained the latest new item??

It is a clock being sold by the Democratic group in Douglas County. It has the image of Governor Brownback on the face of the clock.

It runs backwards. Get yours today while they last!!!!!!

Lawrence Freeman 10 months ago

You might be giving brownback too much credit. . . even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Mike Wallace 10 months ago

"Three of our bigs (economic indicators) are down: oil and gas is down; ag is down; and small jets, small planes are down," he said I didn't know planes crashing was good for the economy.

Charles Wolfe 10 months ago

Sebelious left the governorship with a surplus. Browinee & his hand picked legislators will leave Kansas with debt that will take years to pay down. His GOP coup has spread from the state house, to the county, to our city. Our state needs a anema to cure it next election.

Bob Summers 10 months ago

Sebelious left the governorship with a surplus. By taking more of my money.

Who cares if the government is broke. They should quit spending more than they have then they will have more money.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 10 months ago

Well, we aren't a rich LLC like you. He is actually getting more of my money, especially when I spend my money in state. Help out Brownie. How many jobs did you create with your huge tax break? None, probably.

Lawrence Freeman 10 months ago

"I'm glad Brownback doesn't take as much of my money as Sebelius did."

According to the bible it's easier to get a camel through the eye of a needle, than to get a rich man into heaven. Maybe she was doing you a favor?

Richard Heckler 10 months ago

The governor is not a republican SOOOOOO why do republicans support people who do not represent their views?

Clara Westphal 10 months ago

The majority of Kansans in the east part of the state did not vote for Brownback. Davis was ahead until the votes from the western part of the state came in. The farmers, esp. the corporate farms, like no taxes to pay.

Stuart Reynolds 10 months ago

It was the Johnson and Sedgwick Countians who helped to get him re-elected. Lots of businesses/big money people like not paying taxes.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 10 months ago

Stuart is right. Johnson and Sedgwick counties elected Brownback. Sure, western Kansas voted for him, but if people in the most populous counties hadn't voted for him, then he would have lost. The jerk Ray Merrick is from Johnson county. Why did they elect him? Clara, you give western Kansas too much credit.

Richard Neuschafer 10 months ago

And President of the Senate Wagle lives in Wichita. That helped Brownback get elected and re-elected, too.

There aren't enough voters in western Kansas to make the difference that the knuckleheads in Johnson and Sedgwick Counties did.

Simon James 10 months ago

Well done, Kansas. Your guv is delusional and even the rich are suffering.

Larry Tucker 10 months ago

Based on the comments submitted, how did Brownback get 26% approval rating? He hopes to work on the state's water shortage and lowering the poverty rate. What a joke! It will cost millions of dollars to solve the water problem which will require a federal bailout and with his help the rich and tax the poor fiscal policies, the poverty rate will only get worse. At least he is a realist when it comes to the outward migration of young people in Kansas!! It's time for new leadership in Topeka. Recall sounds good but Kansans must vote to make it happen!!

Michael Kort 10 months ago


Richard Heckler 10 months ago

The Fascist Anti American Workbook

Koch Bros Toxic Empire

Our political life is increasingly shaped by the Koch brothers, who are billionaires and own one of the most powerful mega-corporations in the world.

They are philanthropists, and you will see their name on public buildings. That is good. But their businesses are major polluters wherever they operate. And they contribute to campaigns of those who want to roll social policy back to 1900, when there were no unions, no social safety net for those in need.

They want an America without unions, without a minim wage, without voting rights.

I hear they are opposed to the Common Core, and that’s awkward for people who share none of their other views. But I am guessing they don’t much care for public education or for teacher professionalism, I am hopeful that one of our nation’s investigative journalists will see which education causes these brothers support.

Larry Sturm 10 months ago

Brownback speaks no truth about gun laws and taxes . I will probably not be around for the devastation left to my grand kids. Why does he think young people are leaving Kansas?

Richard Heckler 10 months ago

Unions have worked for most all workers union or not. Unions set the bar for wages and benefits that the Fascist Anti American Party aka ALEC do not want to support.

Why? More profits for the Multinational Corporations that fund our political campaigns. Anti Union aka low wages and no benefits allow for more corporate dollars to be funneled back to very right wing campaigns.

No working class individual should want unions busted because that encourages lowering of the working class wages across the board while CEO wages and benefits increase. Please point out to me all workers that can afford a wage deduction that which Right To Work legislation represents.

Union Wages have most always attracted the most qualified workers which dictated to other employers the wage/benefit scale that would have to be met IF non union employers wanted to attract the most qualified employees.

Lower wages will never promote economic growth across the board. Economic growth cannot be sustained with less money flowing throughout the economy it simply cannot happen. Thus taxes,fees,rates and overall cost of products increase to maintain the appearance of economic growth.

Lower wages cannot support the millions upon millions upon millions in so called tax incentives which actually total billions in tax dollar handouts to very wealthy big profit industries that should be standing on their own two feet. Why is it they are not standing on their own two feet?

Rich Seibert 10 months ago

The hard-left Marxist and Islamists who infect our federal government plus the MSM media prostitutes who protect them will gleefully lie, falsify, fabricate, slander, libel, deceive, delude, bribe, and treasonably betray the free citizens of the United States..

Second Amendment foes lying about gun control - The Second Amendment has nothing to do with hunting. The Second Amendment has nothing to do with personal self-defense.Firearms are our constitutionally mandated safeguard against tyranny by a powerful federal government. Only dictators, tyrants, despots, totalitarians, and those who want to control and ultimately to enslave you support gun control.

No matter what any president, senator, congressman, or hard-left mainstream media prostitutes tell you concerning the statist utopian fantasy of safety and security through further gun control: They are lying. If their lips are moving, they are lying about gun control. These despots truly hate America..

These tyrants hate freedom, liberty, personal responsibility, and private property. But the reality is that our citizens’ ownership of firearms serves as a concrete deterrent against despotism. They are demanding to hold the absolute power of life and death over you and your family. Ask the six million Jewws, and the other five million murdered martyrs who perished in the Nazzi death camps, how being disarmed by a powerful tyranny ended any chances of fighting back. Ask the murdered martyrs of the Warsaw Ghetto about gun control.

Their single agenda is to control you after you are disarmed. When the people who want to control you hold the absolute power of life and death over your family, you have been enslaved. The hard-left Marxist and Islamists who infect our federal government plus the MSM media prostitutes who protect them will gleefully lie, falsify, fabricate, slander, libel, deceive, delude, bribe, and treasonably betray the free citizens of the United States into becoming an unarmed population. Unarmed populations have been treated as slaves and chattel since the dawn of history.

Will we stand our ground, maintaining our constitutionally guaranteed Second Amendment rights, fighting those who would enslave us?

American Thinker

Greg Cooper 10 months ago

Wow. Just, well, wow. Another one hit wonder, here to support indiscriminate gun ownership/use.

Lawrence Freeman 10 months ago

Indiscriminate gun ownership? What is your plan to discriminate between gun owners? Wealth, race, religion? Since known and convicted criminals have been stripped of the right to own a gun, as well as people who have been involuntarily committed. What criteria do you propose to discriminate between people who are honest, law abiding and sane?

Greg Cooper 10 months ago

Lawrence, I generally agree wholeheartedly with your thoughts, but I can see no sense in anyone in the state owning a gun with no reservations other than criminal or mental record.

To answer your question, I support real background checks, including mental health reports. As to those you mention, good enough.

But, I still see no evidence that arming the entire nation is going to create a downturn in gunplay. Anecdotal evidence exists, yes, but gun violence is escalating, and allowing every Joe Blow with enough money to buy one is just plain silly. In my opinion.

Lawrence Freeman 10 months ago

Background checks are just a means not a criteria. What should be checked to discriminate? I have zero problem with background checks to determine citizenship, criminal status or if a court has determined an individual to be risk due to mental health. Beyond that you cannot constitutionally require more without violating the 2nd and 14th amendments. As far as I know, no one is trying to arm the entire nation (although gun dealers and manufactures wouldn't mind).

Nor am I sure gun violence is escalating, news reporting has though. Certain cities gun crimes have escalated such as St Louis, Chicago and New Orleans.

As far as Joe Blow goes, the constitution protects his constitutional rights (in theory) every bit as much as the richest.

For what it's worth you and Thomas Bryce, Jr are the only posters I respect. :)

Greg Cooper 9 months, 4 weeks ago

Respect returned, Lawrence. I suspect there are quite a few here who look to your posts for support, whether you know it or not. Thank you for rational discourse.

Even when you're wrong. :0

Joe Blackford II 10 months ago

My actual comment has not been posted due to restrictions on rational thought & civil discourse in the shallow end of the gene pool.

Phillip Chappuie 10 months ago

Now does that fellow expect me to believe that the 2nd amendment's meaning implies that if you don't like the government, you have a right to open and armed insurrection against that government? I'm pretty sure from a constitutional perspective, that is not the case. I think through some discourse we may have pinpointed some true anti-American sentiments. As a gun owner and supporter of safe gun ownership, people like that scare me more than anything. Kind of like the guys that were "patrolling" in front of the recruiters office this summer. Home baked militia is nothing but anarchy dangerous.

Lawrence Freeman 10 months ago

"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Greg Cooper 10 months ago

And, Fred, that is the Constitution. Now, tell us, if you would, just what, in this time of ours, constitutes a "long train of abuses". It seems to me that we have survived for eons with the checks and balances of the Constitution intact, that human rights have been more strongly recognized, and that, the Republican Party of today notwithstanding, we have a pretty damned strong republic in which the major issues have been and are being addressed by the citizenry. The fact that we are, some of us, angry that the social and economic balance seems to be tipping at times, does not constitute despotism. The pendulum swings constantly, but I have faith that the system will, in the end, take care of those outer ends of the arcs and that we, as a nation, will endure with our rights, and responsibilities, intact.

And that responsible folks can still have their (and, by the way, my) arms.

Lawrence Freeman 10 months ago

Well I'm not Fred, and that quote was from the Declaration of Independence. :) Nor have I said that we have reached a turning point that would require an overthrow. But that does not mean at some point in the future it may be necessary. Prudence alone behooves us to keep the 2nd amendment intact. It is the biggest check against an over-reaching government.

Greg Cooper 9 months, 4 weeks ago

It's hell posting from this iPad. It has its own mind.

Prudence, is, in fact, that of which I speak, Lawrence. I know we will never agree on all aspects of this issue. I only hope I don't alienate folks over an issue that can, probably, not be solved by legislation. The solution to citizens believing they have to have guns is defined, I think, as Utopia.

Lawrence, Kansas, is really nice, but Utopia, it's not.

Have a happy, guy, and we'll talk a lot in the future.

Lawrence Freeman 9 months, 4 weeks ago

You're right, Utopia would be a place where guns are never necessary and game just jumped into a frying pan. But even there recreational shooting would need to be involved. :)

Have a Happy New Year!!

Richard Neuschafer 10 months ago

Brownback is a liar trying to get the undereducated and dimwit votes. But at a 26% approval rating he isn't doing very well.

Larry Sturm 9 months, 4 weeks ago

How many body guards does Brownback have following him around with no gun laws?

Larry Sturm 9 months, 4 weeks ago

Taxes are working for the Koch brothers and a lot of other businesses.

Jerry Stogsdill 9 months, 3 weeks ago

If anyone should be getting help at the Osawatomie State Hospital it's the delusional Sam Brownback. Unfortunately, due to his politically motivated total neglect of the state's health care system, Osawatomie doesn't have room for him.

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