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Kansas Regents draft policy to prepare for concealed guns on college campuses

No guns signs are posted on a side door of KU's Art and Design Building, as well as other buildings on campus, pictured in May 2015.

No guns signs are posted on a side door of KU's Art and Design Building, as well as other buildings on campus, pictured in May 2015.

November 3, 2015


The countdown is on for concealed carry coming to Kansas college campuses, and until now higher education leaders have not shared any plans for dealing with it.

A Kansas Board of Regents committee now has a draft of proposed amendments to its weapons policy and is soliciting feedback from universities statewide.

The draft policy clarifies what is and isn’t allowed under the law, orders campuses to provide secure storage for weapons and instructs universities to determine which — if any — of their respective buildings to equip with security measures to prevent concealed carry.

The full board tentatively expects to vote on the overarching statewide policy in December, with a goal of adopting it before the end of the calendar year, Regents spokeswoman Breeze Richardson said.

“This is laying the groundwork for the real work, which is at the university level,” she said. “The campuses would then have a year for policy and procedure development.”

Richardson emphasized that — albeit unpopular among many in the higher ed community — the Legislature made the law, so the Regents and universities now must determine how to most smoothly implement it, which will take some time.

“Should the law be amended between now and July 1, 2017, the board and universities will certainly make adjustments to accommodate those changes,” according to a board memo accompanying the draft, “but in order to give the campuses sufficient time to develop policies, write procedures, train constituencies and otherwise prepare for implementation, amendments to the board’s policy on weapons possession need to be made soon.”

Key points from the proposed new weapons policy:

• Open carry of any weapon on campus — including outdoor spaces and inside buildings — is prohibited, and signs must be posted at building entrances to communicate that.

• As allowed by the law, individuals who are at least 21 and otherwise eligible to carry a concealed firearm may do so on campus except in buildings or areas with security measures preventing concealed carry within.

• Each university must develop and follow policies and procedures for the safe possession, use and storage of such weapons. Those procedures must include “detailed provisions” about how and where to report suspected violations, how to educate the university community about the rules as well as “locally available firearm safety instruction.”

• No weapon may be displayed on campus except “in those instances where necessary for self-defense or transferring to safe storage.”

• Every state university must provide a secure storage location, such as its public safety office, for the safe storage of the handgun of any individual who lawfully possesses that handgun on campus. At a residence hall that does not have adequate security measures, residents who elect not to use the university’s storage facility must provide their own secure storage device and get it pre-approved by the university. Firearms must be stored when not on the person of the owner.

• If universities enact permanent or temporary security measures at event spaces such as stadiums or arenas and plan to prohibit concealed carry there, notice to event-goers must be included on tickets for admission.

• Anyone who violates the rules must leave campus — with his or her weapon — immediately and possibly face additional discipline in accordance with university codes of conduct.

Given the complexity of and past confusion about the multiple laws and exemptions leading to concealed carry on campus, the Regents also prepared a fact sheet summarizing those.

A Kansas law that became effective in 2013 stated that any public building lacking security measures such as metal detectors or guards must allow concealed guns. Universities got a four-year exemption, but that expires July 1, 2017.

Also now in Kansas, following an additional law that went into effect this summer, a permit is no longer required to carry a concealed gun.

At Kansas University, the University Senate executive committee talked about the draft Tuesday, and the full University Senate plans to discuss it Thursday.

Part of Tuesday’s discussion — as has been typical at KU — involved exasperation over the law.

Ultimately the group came away with two suggestions for the Regents: Include language addressing the possibility that some buildings pose a disproportionate risk of harm should a firearm be discharged in them, such as science labs or engineering. Also clarify the legal mechanism being used to differentiate between open and concealed carry, to be sure the law does in fact allow schools to ban open carry.

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Teri Griffin-Guntert 2 years, 6 months ago

Each and every person who has not been trained with a gun or pistol truly should take a course form trained personnel such as NRA or accredited classes. It is amazing the amount of knowledge regarding the responsibility and accountability and the law of the state that one truly deserves to know for their own protection as well as learning to know and acquire the appropriate gun for self defense for each individual. I would seriously encourage the institutions to require each person who chooses to carry to take and pass a pistol self defense course.

Barb Gordon 2 years, 6 months ago

Yeah. Good luck with that. I don't disagree, but Kansas recently decided that they don't need permits or safety courses to carry a gun. Because Murica!

Joshua Cain 2 years, 6 months ago

Think of the courses like poll taxes. The cost to exercise a right should be zero.

Barb Gordon 2 years, 6 months ago

Are you also proposing that we hand every citizen a free gun that they can then concealed carry on campus? Perhaps we can take that one out of the school budget, too. Oh, and maybe you'd like to hand me my own newspaper. I've got freedom of the press, but I don't own one, so...

Joshua Cain 2 years, 6 months ago

Allow me to rephrase. I'm talking about the prerequisite to even exercise the right not carry it out.

Barb Gordon 2 years, 6 months ago

You don't actually need to conceal carry in order to bear arms.

Paul Beyer 2 years, 6 months ago

Unfortunately the Kansas legislators with their infinite wisdom decided any nutcase can carry a gun anywhere anytime, qualifications or necessity be damned.

Larry Tucker 2 years, 6 months ago

Regarding, storage of licensed firearms on campus, the NRA should pay for the cost and not the students or taxpayers. And yes, those who carry concealed weapons without permits should be required to show proof that they have taken a training course on gun safety. I hope that campus security will not face more risk due to these new laws. It will be a sad day for parents and families when the shooting starts. This insanity has to stop. The NRA controls the Kansas legislature!!

Joshua Cain 2 years, 6 months ago

"It will be a sad day for parents and families when the shooting starts." - Larry Tucker

Weren't we already supposed to have mass shootings from fire arm handlers by now? First it was conceal and carry, then open carry, now it's we need training for everyone that carries at their own personal expense.

The problem with statements like Larry's is that they just don't materialize and do more harm to their credibility.

This is about the ability for each individual to exercise their rights without restriction. You want no ID to vote because to exercise a right should be free? We need to be consistent when talking about exercising rights.

Barb Gordon 2 years, 6 months ago

Don't we already have mass shootings? Where have you been?

Paul Beyer 2 years, 6 months ago

Have you not noticed that Joshua Cain looks like a totally made up biblical name? And as most intelligent people know, anyone can register a fake Facebook account very easily. But the JW seems to really believe there policy strains out the fake users.

Joshua Cain 2 years, 6 months ago

Paul As most intelligent people (who read this forum) know you suffer from a condition known as: you think you know more than you actually do. It is my real name and the LJW is more than welcome to contact me to verify.

A lot of people have been given a biblical name....Paul. I don't see where Joshua Cain sounds/looks made up at all.

Joshua Cain 2 years, 6 months ago

Yeah...we've had a few. I'm talking about the rash of shootings that were supposed to happen from conceal and carry, then open carry, and now carrying w/o a course. So far the fear mongering hasn't worked. By now we were supposed to have shoot outs like the OK corral.

I should have said "supposed to have a rash of shootings". I'll proof read better from now on.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 2 years, 6 months ago

So what do you say to the victims of the mass shootings in Colorado Springs. The first 911 call happened before the shootings began. A neighbor saw the man, "exercising his rights", with a big gun walking around looking angry. 911 said they couldn't do anything, not even send an officer to check it out, because it is an open carry state. So this man casually stomps around for awhile, then starts strolling down the street with his "rights" and shoots a guy on a bicycle. Probably couldn't have been prevented unfortunately, but he strolls down the block some more before shooting some more people. Those might have been stopped had the 911 operator had sent an officer to check out what was going on. Now, I realize that you may not care about these people; they weren't one of your friends or relatives. Is that how your really think? And do you even watch the news anymore?

Will White 2 years, 6 months ago

These mass shootings are terrible. So is the murder of 3,000 unborn babies every day

Greg Cooper 2 years, 6 months ago

Murder is a terrible thing. Fortunately, abortions, in the main, are not, when performed under lawful circumstances.

Try again.

Will White 2 years, 6 months ago

Wrong Greg. if you can't see that abortion is murder you are a sick person. Calling it legal doesn't make it right. Slavery was "legal" at one time

Barb Gordon 2 years, 6 months ago

Just how many red herring arguments are you going to bring up in a day? Run out of relevant things to discuss?

Will White 2 years, 6 months ago

Murder is relevant Barb, can't stand a opinion different that yours?

Barb Gordon 2 years, 6 months ago

"Kansas Regents draft policy to prepare for concealed guns on college campuses"

Just in case you forgot what the article was about.

Mike Riner 2 years, 6 months ago

I don't believe 911 said they can't do anything. They can sure check folks out, even if they have a right to carry the weapon. If indeed the 911 operator did nothing. he/she should be fired immediately, at the very least.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 2 years, 6 months ago

Well, the 911 operator told the woman who called that Colorado was an open carry state, so the man was doing nothing wrong.

Joshua Cain 2 years, 6 months ago

"Probably couldn't have been prevented unfortunately."

Not probably....they can't be prevented no matter how many laws you pass.

"Now, I realize that you may not care about these people; they weren't one of your friends or relatives. Is that how your really think? And do you even watch the news anymore?"

I care about these people. I really do but the reality is......bad people do bad things all the time its just a part of living in this world. To rob someone of their ability to defend themselves is the greater crime. The gun free zones are the targets for criminals that evidently can't be stopped before they commit the crime. Not everyone can pay for a course. Requiring a course at the cost of the citizen disenfranchises the poor who can't afford a permit to exercise their right.

Bob Smith 2 years, 6 months ago

In other firearms news, in Virginia yesterday, despite being massively outspent by the Bloomberg folks, 92% of the candidates endorsed by the NRA were elected.

Greg Cooper 2 years, 6 months ago

Two things, Bob:

First, the gun question was not the only plank in their platform.

Second, that that happened is not an indication that it is the right thing for the state.

Now, about this thread....?

Justin Hoffman 2 years, 6 months ago

Twist it all you want Greg. The NRA is a force!! God bless them!

Paul Beyer 2 years, 6 months ago

Shows how backward and ignorant Va voters are.

Will White 2 years, 6 months ago

Really? If people have an opinion different to yours they are "ignorant". Wow Paul. You are a Typical liberal

Justin Hoffman 2 years, 6 months ago

That's Paul for you...."it's my way or you're an idiot".

Bob Smith 2 years, 6 months ago

And Paul goes straight to personal insults, as he generally does.

Lawrence Freeman 2 years, 6 months ago

It seems to me the dishonest and backwards voters are the ones that don't support the constitution and claim a few hundred incidents out of 320 million are grounds to remove a constitutional right.

Justin Hoffman 2 years, 6 months ago

Reading this article is wonderful. It means that Kansans (most of us) and our leaders believe in the right to bear arms. It also shows, (as evidence from Bob Smith's post) that the NRA is stronger than ever and getting stronger by the day. Hooray!

Cille King 2 years, 6 months ago

“Throughout its 142-year history, the National Rifle Association has portrayed itself as an advocate for the individual gun owner’s Second Amendment rights. In turn, the NRA relied on those gun owners, especially its 4 million or so members, to pressure lawmakers into carrying out its anti-gun control agenda. In the last two decades, however, the deep-pocketed NRA has increasingly relied on the support of another constituency: the $12-billion-a-year gun industry, made up of manufacturers and sellers of firearms, ammunition and related wares. That alliance was sealed in 2005, when Congress, after heavy NRA lobbying, approved a measure that gave gunmakers and gun distributors broad, and unprecedented, immunity from a wave of liability lawsuits related to gun violence in America’s cities. It was a turning point for both the NRA and the industry, both of which recognized the mutual benefits of a partnership. That same year, the NRA also launched a lucrative new fundraising drive to secure “corporate partners” that’s raked in millions from the gun industry to boost its operations.”

“Since 2005, the gun industry and its corporate allies have given between $20 million and $52.6 million to it through the NRA Ring of Freedom sponsor program. Donors include firearm companies like Midway USA, Springfield Armory Inc, Pierce Bullet Seal Target Systems, and Beretta USA Corporation. Other supporters from the gun industry include Cabala's, Sturm Rugar & Co, and Smith & Wesson.”

Lawrence Freeman 2 years, 6 months ago

The NRA has done nothing wrong. Why should gun manufacturers be libel for criminal activity of others? Should car manufacturers be libel for drunk drivers?

The sad part is it takes a powerful organization like the NRA to protect the 2nd amendment. You may not personally like the NRA. but how are they different from ACLU or the NAACP?

Cille King 2 years, 6 months ago

The ACLU and the NAACP work for individual's rights. The NRA, under the guise of supporting individual's rights, is primarily supporting corporation's right to make as much money as possible, without regard to what it does to our communities. Individual NRA members (and other Americans) support common sense gun control, NRA doesn't.

Lawrence Freeman 2 years, 6 months ago

I disagree. All corporations (and people) have the right to make as much money as they can. Greed is a powerful motivator!

What is happening in a some neighborhoods is caused by many factors but any way you want to slice it a 0.00004% risk of being shot and killed (including suicide) is not an acceptable reason to limit the 2nd amendment. Especially when areas that have the highest gun violence also have the most restrictions.

Please define "common sense gun control" in some way that doesn't violate the constitutional rights of everyone.

Bob Smith 2 years, 6 months ago

Citing huffpo? Really? Even vox laughs about them.

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