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KU’s Self, others not fans of college basketball transfer rule

Kansas head coach Bill Self calls a play during the second half on Tuesday, Dec. 18, 2012 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas head coach Bill Self calls a play during the second half on Tuesday, Dec. 18, 2012 at Allen Fieldhouse.

May 26, 2013


Indiana, Memphis, Oregon, Pittsburgh and yes, Kansas University are some of the schools that have profited this offseason from a controversial rule that lets basketball players transfer and become immediately eligible as long as they have earned an undergraduate degree.

The rule, which has sent Memphis’ Tarik Black to KU and George Washington’s Dave Pellom to Memphis — also Arizona State’s Evan Gordon to Indiana, UNLV’s Mike Moser to Oregon and Marshall’s DeAndre Kane to Pitt — likely will be rescinded by next season.

Why? The National Association of Basketball Coaches, of which KU’s Bill Self is a board member, dislikes the spirit of the rule.

“We have benefited. We’ve had others benefit who we compete against. I think it’s a bad rule,” KU coach Bill Self said Friday on Andy Katz’s ESPNU college basketball show.

“You applaud anyone that can get their degree early. I am not knocking that at all,” Self added. “You look at it from the big picture. If you are a mid-major and you sit (red-shirt) a guy because it’s best for his life and he graduates after four years, you have to re-recruit him just to get him to come back to your school if he’s any good at all. I think it’s a bad rule,” Self repeated.

Coaches believe high-major schools are tempted to raid mid-majors for seniors who are immediately eligible.

“When you get to the point you are potentially recruiting kids off other kids’ campuses, I think it’s a big-time negative situation,” Self said, also recognizing potential problems with a rule that allows players to transfer and be immediately eligible for family reasons if they transfer to a school within 100 miles of their hometowns.

“I think there are so many things that create a competitive advantage ... (kids say) ‘If it doesn’t work out, I’ll just go back home or I’ll transfer.’ I think it gives kids so many easy ways out as opposed to fighting through it. It (rescinding the rule) would probably be good for the overall betterment of our game.”

In most instances, players must sit out a year — that is practice but not play in games — if they choose to switch schools.

“There’s nothing wrong with transferring and sitting a year,” Self said. “Guys who have received their bachelor degrees, more times than not I’d think it’d take more than one year to receive your master’s (degree). If that’s the case, sit out and get your master’s if that’s important to you.

“You can’t knock kids who do it because the rules allow it. You can’t knock colleges for accepting them because rules allow it.”

Arizona State coach Herb Sendek is also against allowing players to transfer and be immediately eligible if they are armed with a degree.

“The rule in most cases is not being used as intended and is clearly adding to the widespread free agency in college basketball,” Sendek told ESPN.

Noted Syracuse’s Jim Boeheim: “We’ve just got into an area of unintended consequences. The rule was for if a kid really wanted a different academic program. Now it has gotten to be a strictly playing situation.”

This to ESPN from Wisconsin’s Bo Ryan: “I positively believe a fifth-year guy should not be able to play right away. All they’re doing is looking at curriculum, finding a program that a school doesn’t have. Are they really trying to get a master’s degree? Or is it, ‘Maybe my team isn’t as good and we lost a lot and I want to be in the NCAA Tournament next year and ...’ There’s a market out there for this. You take guys through summer school and give them every academic advantage and then they graduate and then they can just go to another school.

“(This) isn’t what college athletics was meant to be. How about the guy leaving his teammates and the coaching staff that developed him?” Ryan added.

Former Memphis guard Antonio Barton today will become the latest player to benefit from the rule. Barton, a senior, will announce for either Maryland, Kansas State, Tennessee or Texas A&M.; He has a degree, thus will play in games during the 2013-14 season.


weatherguy48 4 years, 12 months ago

I think it would benefit everyone if we just thought of NCAA basketball as a minor league for the NBA. It's not right? Sure, but basketball in America really doesn't have an equivalent like hockey or baseball.

Just treat it like it is.

Robert Rauktis 4 years, 12 months ago

Agree with above comment in general. College ball is going the Olympic way to irrelevancy for full time participants who at least this guy (me), can't even relate to. No training for the love of it after long suffering that day in the mill. And then what you've got (no surprise) IS the NBA, who some, including me, find irrelevant. They kill the golden goose by making the people involved strictly entertainers who haven't a place or facet one can relate to.

"and he graduates after four years, you have to re-recruit him just to get him to come back to your school if he’s any good at all. I think it’s a bad rule,” Self repeated.

Sorry coach, I'd think if they diligently do their college work to the usual standard, I wouldn't understand why they aren't free to go anywhere they wish and accepting, to use the last of their eligibility. That's what you guys are trying to do, right? Hone "student-athletes". And what's wrong with wanting to play on a team in the tournament (Bo Ryan)? Don't you guys stress that? And how predictable is that? Ask Calipiri last year.

The dodgier ones are those who discover their long lost family or some other "hardship". The system then becomes that of trades like the NBA (surprise). Hopefully they don't incur multiple concussions to transfer to a "safer" place.

Jock Navels 4 years, 12 months ago

let's see...the coach gets paid gazillions of dollars...the coach can walk out on his contract to go to another school anytime he wants... the players collect no pay, and their comings and goings are highly restricted. sounds fair to me.

smileydog 4 years, 12 months ago

College basketball brings in millions of dollars. The right thing to do is to pay the players.

Brian Wilson 4 years, 12 months ago

This is nt

o rocket science......jeez....

What should happen is at the end of the season is that all college players should be considered in the draft. No college player should be allowed an agent prior to the draft. Once a player Is selected in the draft, the player should have the option to go to the NBA. If they choose not to, then the player can just stay in college and play. If a player is found to have received money from a agent prior to being drafted. The NBA should agree to penalize the player by suspension for 1 year from the NBA and the players should have to pay back the money plus penalty to the United Way! If the NBA selection does not sign, then the NBA team should be allowed to select and sign and discuss with whom they wish. At the end of June, NBA discussions with college players is closed. All unsigned college players may go back to school.

Colleges and innocent players should not be penalized for a players actions outside the university.

In addition, Coaches and administrators involved in violating NCAA regulations should be the ones penalized not the school. A suspension from any NCAA position for a period of one years plus penalties and repayment going back to the NCAA and University.

Players should be paid about $200 per week. Equivalent to other students working 15 to 20 hours at $10 per hour.

Players should be allowed to play 4 years or seasons regardless of the whether or not they have earned their degree. They should be allowed to transfer at the end of the season without penalty. Colleges should not be able to rescind scholarships to players already signed. Only a player should be able to rescind the scholarship offer by signing a letter of refusal or otherwise found guilty of a serious crime such as felony or misdemeanor A. Otherwise, like all families, coaches should be forced to work through their own disciplinary problems. They are there to teach about life and academics to young adults! Players should not be allowed to play for a school after rescinding their scholarship. Scholarships cannot be reinstated, and in order to play again, students must transfer to another school after rescinding a scholarship.

windjammer 4 years, 12 months ago

Sounds like a post full of rocket science to me.

kusp8 4 years, 12 months ago

Just use the bleeping MLB rule.... You can turn pro out of high school. But if you don't then you have to stay in college for two years.

Dan Matthews 4 years, 11 months ago

What I find interesting is that Coach Self is commenting "it's a bad rule", and then turns around and uses the same rule to his advantage. Hypocrite, much?

IMO 18 year old athletes who have the right to vote, pay taxes, go to war, etc, should be able to go pro after they turn 18.....

Richard Benson 4 years, 11 months ago

I have unconditional love for Coach Self, but he is wrong on this.

College basketball players are not chattel. Once they graduate, they have honored the terms of their indentured servitude and should be able to bargain freely. Not to say they should be free to engage an agent yet continue to play college ball or anything like that. They should be able to talk to other colleges and go where they want and play where and when they want.

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