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Letter: Police view

May 3, 2013


To the editor:

When mass shootings occur, it is the duty of the police officer on the street to respond and deal with the results of the carnage. How do they view the attempts of legislators to pass more gun laws, “assault” weapons bans and smaller magazine capacities?

Here’s what they said in a national survey conducted by, an online resource for law enforcement officers across the U.S., with more than 450,000 members. More than 15,000 of them were polled, and here is a sample of the results:

• 80 percent said a law prohibiting the private transfer of guns between individuals would not reduce violent crime.

• 91 percent want stiffer sentences for criminals who use guns to commit crimes.

• 91 percent of them support legal concealed carry of firearms by citizens.

• 76 percent said legally armed citizens played an important role in reducing crime.

• 80 percent felt casualties likely would have been reduced in recent mass shootings if a legally armed citizen had been present.

• 77 percent think favorably of arming school teachers and staff, if they are vetted, trained and qualify annually with their firearm.

Finally, 70 percent polled oppose a national database to track all legal gun sales.

Congress, are you listening?


xyz 4 years, 11 months ago's survey was NOT conducted using a statistically valid random sample. The results cited in this letter summarizes the opinions of 3% of this group's membership and thus cannot be construed to represent the opinions of the majority of the organization, much less a majority of law enforcement personnel in the US. This is an interesting read, but that is all that it is.

Copied from the website: PoliceOne’s Gun Policy & Law Enforcement survey was conducted between March 4 and March 13, 2013. More than 15,000 officers completed the survey, which was promoted by PoliceOne exclusively to its 400,000 registered members, comprised of verified law enforcement professionals. Only current, former or retired law enforcement personnel were eligible to participate in the survey. The survey sample size was broadly distributed by geography and rank in proportion to the U.S. law enforcement community at large. Respondents comprised a variety of ranks from departments of all sizes, with the majority representing departments of greater than 500 officers. Of those that took the survey, 80 percent were current law enforcement officers and 20 percent were former/retired law enforcement.

rtwngr 4 years, 11 months ago

A sample of 15,000 out of 400,000 is, actually, a very large sample and far more than almost all pollsters obtain during the political season. No, this was a valid survey and the author did a good job of presentation. Your rebuttal is without merit. Overruled.

jayhawxrok 4 years, 11 months ago

There was absolutely nothing in the proposed legislation that infringed on 2nd amendment rights. Why is it ok for those on a terrorist watch list to be prohibited from flying but ok to buy all the guns, ammo, and explosives they want?

KSManimal 4 years, 11 months ago

Because the constitution prohibits the government from depriving people of rights without due process of law. A "watch list" is not a "convict list". There is no constitutional right to fly on a commercial airline.

bballwizard 4 years, 11 months ago

Sure it's not a good sample size but they are saying we are wasting time and money trying to put gun laws into affect. The only way we can be safe in this country is to lose all of or most of our personal freedoms and I think most of us are not willing to do that

Charles L. Bloss, Jr. 4 years, 11 months ago

I did not take the survey, but I agree with the findings. It makes a difference to me that these opinions were made by law enforcement personnel, as they protect all of us.

jayhawklawrence 4 years, 11 months ago

Flying the parents of the Newtown tragedy around in Air Force One to sensationalize the tragedy for political effect soured me on any new gun laws at this time.

Quiet discussions about how to improve gun safety between rational people is what we need.

If we can do that, then maybe we can address a lot of other issues and get ready for a better field of candidates in the next election.

Rich Noever 4 years, 11 months ago

I agree. Flying the parents around like a barnstorming event was so crass that only politicians could have come up with it.

jafs 4 years, 11 months ago

I don't believe you - you were already opposed to any new legislation and said so on these comments.

BlackVelvet 4 years, 11 months ago

Rational discussions? from the Obama administration? Hold your breath waiting for that to happen!

Charlie Bannister 4 years, 11 months ago

Mr. Livella what a great letter! This is how the vast majority of America feels, regardless of what the left tries to say otherwise. Our so called president flying parents around on Air Force One had to be one of the dumbest things I have ever seen. Get over it all you on the left. Guns, gun rights, gun shows, right to carry--all are here to stay!! Hallelujah!!!!!!!!!

FlintlockRifle 4 years, 11 months ago

Mr Letter Writer, good letter and well thought out, to bad the evil people who come up with some new lame bill to do harm to legal people lives. Yes most people I know (for and against) also do not favor any new worthless gun laws just get the right people to enforce the ones already on the books.

KayCee 4 years, 11 months ago

"Your second paragraph appears to argue in favor of the sample being random and valid of its membership"

That is what I saw. This poll does a better job of giving info than many used across the country for various political and social opinions..

Leslie Swearingen 4 years, 11 months ago

"The president has invited 11 parents of children killed in Newtown to fly back to Washington with him aboard Air Force One after his speech. The parents are set to lobby Congress this week for gun control measures, although it may be too late to rescue major legislation sought by Obama."

The speech was given in Newtown. There was nothing crass about the Presidents offer. He was simply trying to make it easier for those parents to get to Washington and make their voices heard.

rtwngr 4 years, 11 months ago

No, the President was, once again, trying to grandstand about something other than the really important issues that face our nation by using the parents of the Newtown victims as a backdrop. President Obama made his pass at gun control and failed. Now he can stand up in front of his "peeps" and say, "I tried."

bearded_gnome 4 years, 11 months ago

• 80 percent felt casualties likely would have been reduced in recent mass shootings if a legally armed citizen had been present.

---more than once this has actually happened! this is in fact true, and it is why the next point would be correct, train and arm teachers and other school personnel who are willing. we protect our money, our politicians, our athletes, all with armed personnel, why do we refuse to protct our kids, don't we love them?

and, the high school I graduated from, in the olden days, has been an armed camp for perhaps four decades already, has a huge number of illegals there too. so what's the big deal.

bearded_gnome 4 years, 11 months ago

as to the Policeone survey, I crtainly support its findings, however I'll comment on its methodology.

sample size,quite representative of its membership if the numbers were handled right, and looks like they knew what they were doing, and the people who volunteered to participate covered a nice rangeof their membership.

only concern: sounds like they advertised for people to take the survey and people took the survey. when surveys involve self-identified participants, sometimes outcomes can be skewed. people withut a strong opinion are less likely to respond. advertising for the participants may shape the type of participat pool. etc.

dunno how well they considered these issues. but my guess is that even with these concerns I'd bet the numbers are pretty good representatives of LEOs' opinions on these questions. the anonymity of it may have also allowed some to feel freer to express themselves who may have kept their opinions to themselves in other settings and that might have balanced my oter concerns above.

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