Archive for Monday, March 25, 2013

Hearing scheduled on bill prohibiting abortion if fetal heartbeat detectable

March 25, 2013


— A House committee has scheduled a public hearing for a bill that would prohibit an abortion if a fetal heartbeat is detectable.

The hearing has been scheduled for 8 a.m. Tuesday before the House Federal and State Affairs Committee.

House Bill 2324 has 32 sponsors.

The proposal has been pushed for years by anti-abortion activist Mark Gietzen.

Gietzen has said the bill would ban abortions after a fetal heartbeat is detectable, which can be as early as seven weeks.

Abortion rights supporters said if the bill became law it would be the most extreme abortion restriction in the United States and trigger a challenge to Roe v. Wade.

Elise Higgins, lobbyist and state co-coordinator for Kansas NOW, said, "Not only is House Bill 2324 clearly a way for Kansas legislators to challenge Roe on the taxpayer dime, notice of the hearing was given less than 24 hours in advance to the general public. We condemn this underhanded approach to legislation unprecedented in its extremity, and are committee to fighting it every step of the way."


kansanjayhawk 1 year ago

When a baby has a heartbeat it should not be treated worse than an animal by having it's life taken away. This is a moral issue and many Christians stand against this act of violence being allowed as a legal act.


Thomas Bryce 1 year ago

Let it go Before the SCOTUS.They want to try to overturn Roe V Wade? Let them. There are plenty of anti-abortion activists who are scared to death of that ever happening because THEY KNOW it will be upheld. That is why they are going after funding and tax exemptions, adult stem cell research,etc. because they KNOW that is about all they have. The Public, in general, Supports a woman's right to choose even if they personally are against abortion. Send it to the SCOTUS. I dare You!


reality_check79 1 year ago

The point was that abortion should not be a political issue... the other point is that the LJworld should disable comments on these subjects because of the sensitive matter!! Too many nut cases take things way too far!!!


Cait McKnelly 1 year ago

I just saw on KS NOW's Twitter that this bill was deliberately written to go to SCOTUS.
The bill was written by a PAC called Faith to Action and was introduced into committee by Mark Gietzen and Troy Newman, both anti-abortion extremists that are on Federal government watch lists and non-legislators. A representative from Faith to Action called it a "finely crafted arrow" aimed directly at Justice Kennedy. During his testimony, Troy Newman called the SCOTUS, "a ghoulish oligarchy of men called the Supreme Court" and that they were "pro-abortion left".
Reproductive rights groups were given less than 24 hours notice that this bill was being heard in committee. As a consequence, pro bill testimony out numbered them 2:1.
Estimated costs to the state of taking the bill to SCOTUS are between $700k and one million dollars. Proponents of the bill called it "opportunity costs".
This is dirty politics at it's best, people. I call BS!


reality_check79 1 year ago

How is this anyone's issue??? All of these "experts" obviously knowing more than anyone else posting are clearly in a position to judge what is life and what isn't... unless you have been in the situation yourself, you have no right to persuade anyone about anything... Not you, not brownback, not anyone... This article should have comments turned off, and this bill should be a non-political issue...


JJE007 1 year ago

Obviously this is a great thing. Our lawmakers finally understand evolution. They see that all heartbeats could lead to this wonderful human condition, including war, poverty, despotism, capitalistic enslavement and religious conversion into capitalist piggy ways. They are showing their love of the idea that every living (a.k.a. "heart-beating") thing can be regulated by zealots. They now must all embrace the idea of veganism, as a heart beats in every squirrel, pig, sloth, cow and shrew. That's amazing.

These guys are awesome. The fact that they have no heart should not have any impact upon the passing of this important legislation. Go for the gusto, little Jesus monkeys!


Agnostick 1 year ago

Just goes to show ya... you can't always be born, but you can always be "born again"... especially if you're an American!

(Extra onions on my cheesesteak sammy, please!)


Thomas Bryce 1 year ago

Life is defined, By our Legislature(Experts on Life, so they say), as a Heartbeat. Glad they did not require a Spine. That would leave all our Legislators, who sponsored this bill, OUT!


gccs14r 1 year ago

It's yet another proposed law that is obviously unconstitutional to anyone who can read.


oletimer 1 year ago

just go ahead and make all abortions illegal. that is what's going to happen anyway. browny has too much money in his campaign fund for this reason to deny it. Make it happen and let browny and his clowns move on to other things, like trying to make a budget that actually might work without "borrowing" from every area that actually has money. I hope to gosh browny's wife runs the checkbook at home. otherwise they will be out on their *ss when he gets run out of office. along with all his clowns.


fiddleback 1 year ago

I figured it was only a matter of time before these troglodytes became jealous of their peers in South Dakota and Arkansas appearing to be more zealous on this issue. Last week's proposed restrictions on tax breaks and sex ed. during the budget talks were just foreplay for what will surely become a giddy all-out assault on reproductive freedom.

And I have little doubt that whatever garbage they produce will pass. Somebody should start working on a tombstone:

Basic Human Equality and Dignity in the State of Kansas: 1859 * -2013 **

• Outlawed slave labor in the state constitution, 1859

•• Mandated reproductive slavery, forcing women to go through labor, 2013.


chootspa 1 year ago

So are they going to let women die of ectopic pregnancies?


Paul R Getto 1 year ago

Save the zygotes. Ignore the children.


Brady Swenson 1 year ago

The thing that always gets me is that we know that making abortion illegal does not reduce it. Countries in Eastern Europe where abortion is illegal have similar estimated rates of illegal abortion than their neighbors have for legal abortion... mostly because those countries where abortion is legal and regulated (especially after the first trimester, as we do here) also provide comprehensive sex education and access to contraception. Making abortion illegal does not end abortion it simply makes obtaining an abortion much more dangerous and makes women second-class citizens. It's not an easy issue to talk about, but it's clear that providing comprehensive sex education, easy access to contraception, including emergency contraception, and access to safe, regulated abortion is the best way to reduce abortion. All the while trusting women to make their own healthcare decisions!


elliottaw 1 year ago

the state doesn't want to fund education for the population that they have now, what do they think forcing all these kids to be born is going to do besides drive the price of that up. Not to mention if these families are not well off or the parents kick the pregnant person out of the family then more money will be needed for welfare type programs.


mom_of_three 1 year ago

Question for all those house representatives... If you think the heartbeat equals life, and therefore no abortion, what about the mother? She has a heartbeat, and yet you have no problems making her wishes or her life totally irrelevant.


KansasLiberal 1 year ago

If you don't approve of abortions, don't have one. It's that simple. The anti-choice zealots can't provide any non-biblical reasons for their opposition to abortion, so they make up scientific-sounding reasons for their opposition. Unfortunately, none of those oppositions are based in fact, so they just keep repeating their lies until they become common knowledge. They know that if they were rational and truthful with their arguments nobody would support their cause, so they just stick to the lies.


Agnostick 1 year ago

Current sponsors of HB 2324:

Representative DeGraaf

Representative Alcala

Representative Bideau

Representative Bradford

Representative Brunk

Representative Campbell

Representative Carpenter

Representative Christmann

Representative Crum

Representative Dove

Representative Edwards

Representative Garber

Representative Goico

Representative Gonzalez

Representative Hedke

Representative Hermanson

Representative Hibbard

Representative Houser

Representative Howell

Representative Huebert

Representative Hutton

Representative Kelley

Representative Montgomery

Representative O'Brien

Representative Pauls

Representative Peck

Representative Read

Representative Rhoades

Representative Rothlisberg

Representative Seiwert

Representative Sutton

Representative Thimesch


Agnostick 1 year ago

If the state's economic growth has no heartbeat, does it need to be aborted? Or is it already dead?


Cait McKnelly 1 year ago

Anybody who thinks a heartbeat equals "life" failed high school biology. Idiots.


Clickker 1 year ago

If there is no heartbeat, then why would one need the proceedure?


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