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Kobach considering plan that could produce two kinds of voters

July 31, 2013

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— Some voters in Kansas would be able to vote in federal elections but not state contests under a proposal that Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach today said he was considering.

"A state could certainly achieve that course," Kobach said.

In June, the U.S. Supreme Court in an Arizona case threw out Arizona's law that requires would-be voters to provide documents proving U.S. citizenship.

But Kobach said the court ruling was narrowly drawn to address only those who use the federal "Motor Voter" registration form.

Writing for the 7-2 Supreme Court majority, Justice Antonin Scalia had said that federal law "precludes Arizona from requiring a federal form applicant to submit information beyond that required by the form itself."

In Kansas, a new state law requires proof of citizenship to register to vote.

Kobach, a Republican who pushed for that law, said he is considering a proposed rule change that would allow those who use the federal form to register to vote to be allowed to vote in federal elections, such as presidential and congressional contests. The federal voter registration form does not require proof of citizenship documents, but includes a signed sworn statement that the individual is a U.S. citizen.

But those people would not be allowed to vote in state elections, such as contests for governor, other statewide offices and the Legislature.

Those who register to vote by providing proof of citizenship will be able to vote in both federal and state elections under the proposal.

Dolores Furtado, president of the League of Women Voters of Kansas, said she would strongly oppose such a plan.

"It won't work," Furtado said. "When we can't handle registrations, the process of applications and processing registrations, how are we going to separate ballots?" she said. "This is creating a problem. Whenever we make things complex, people shun away."

But Kobach said few Kansans register to vote using the federal form, so it shouldn't affect too many voters.

Since the state proof of citizenship requirement took effect at the start of this year, more than 13,000 new Kansas voter registrants have been unable to complete the process because they didn't provide citizenship documents, such as a birth certificate or passport.

House Minority Leader Paul Davis, D-Lawrence, said of the proposal that Kobach was considering, "I don't think that makes a lick of sense."

Davis said he thinks the Legislature or the courts are going to have to step in to ensure that qualified voters are able to vote.

Comments

skinney 2 years, 1 month ago

What ever it takes to throw the election the republican way! KK will figure out a way to do that!

Fred Whitehead Jr. 2 years, 1 month ago

Amen. The Koch regime will continue to support Kobach and Brownback, and we will be at the behest of billionaires who have hi-jacked the state government.

optimist 2 years, 1 month ago

Whatever it takes to stop Democrats from stealing elections (i.e. voting early and often)!!! Now that I've thrown out an outlandish statement does that negate yours and bring the truth back into balance?

Alyosha 2 years, 1 month ago

That you conflate voting early with stealing an election demonstrates your complete lack of understanding of elections and voting.

You also seem not to be aware of Republicans on record in other states as saying their voting changes are specifically designed to produce Republican wins and Democratic losses: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=...

So, no: you are in no way bringing "truth back into balance." Rather, you are eliding truth and introducing inanity into the discussion.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 2 years, 1 month ago

I have quit voting althgether. With the clueless electorate that constantly votes in boobs like Kobach and Brownback, what's the use. Kansas is a useless wastland.

nick_s 2 years, 1 month ago

My same cynicism has always caused me to never vote, but I believe I am going to after all of the happenings locally, & statewide.

George_Braziller 2 years, 1 month ago

Every vote counts in State and local elections. Your one vote could be all it takes. If you don't vote you've lost your right to bitch if Brownback and Co. are re-elected.

Currahee 2 years, 1 month ago

No, no, no! Don't EVER think this way. The second you think this, anyone who is trying to not get you to vote wins. Vote often my friends,

Beth Ennis 2 years ago

that is exactly what people like Kobach and Brownie want you to do. So, they have won. Do you realize that in the last election for President it was a 60/40 split? That may sound like a lot, but to me, if all the folks who don't vote "because my vote doesn't count in Kansas" would have voted, that it would be much closer and who knows, Kansas may have even been in the democratic column on that one. How I feel is that if you aren't willing to vote, then you have no leg to stand on when you complain.

Orwell 2 years ago

Don't think for a minute this absolves you of responsibility. Failing to vote for better candidates is as harmful as voting for bad ones.

tomatogrower 2 years ago

Well, Kobach says that voter fraud is rampant, so I guess that's how the Republicans have been winning all this time.

nick_s 2 years, 1 month ago

And so it continues... We actually pay these people. They actually draw a real pay-check, that they can exchange for real money, for their "work" in our Legislature on manufactured issues. Wow.

oldbaldguy 2 years, 1 month ago

this man has his head up is butt. how that plan could pass muster from a court is beyond me. he went to an ivy league law school too. that's my opinion as a ku law grad.

orbiter 2 years, 1 month ago

Inefficient solutions (the goofiness spelled out in this article) for a problem (voter fraud) that doesn't exist that are somehow supposed to be carried out by an underfunded government full of "lazy" state workers that "can't make it in the real world so they mooch off of taxpayers". Way to go, Kris.

Is this really Conservatism, or creative B.S. from another Ivy League snake oil salesman trying desperately to join the ruling class by treating us hayseeds as stupid, drooling dogs?

gatekeeper 2 years, 1 month ago

It's not conservatism, that doesn't exist anymore. These people are regressives.

Catalano 2 years, 1 month ago

Regressives, yes, but they have "scrotal audacity" (apologies to L. Pitts).

dinglesmith 2 years, 1 month ago

This is truly a legal train wreck just waiting to happen. I've never agreed with Kobach, but this goes far deeper than that. To believe you can have two classes of citizens in Kansas defined by their voting rights is not only unconscionable, it flies in the face of about 100 years of legal decisions regarding voting. If Kobach doesn't know that, he is unfit for his job and should be recalled.

optimist 2 years, 1 month ago

I agree, two groups of voters will only confuse the process. Unfortunately the Supreme Court ruling, while I often agree with Scalia, was not there’s to make. The states have sole authority over elections. While as a consequence of history it became necessary to uphold the Constitution when some states chose to discriminate against a class of people it did not shift election authority to the federal government. Motor voter was an unfunded mandate that the federal government had no authority to force upon the states and should have been struck down by the courts. For the court to use it for a basis in a decision is unnerving. Unless there is absolute evidence that proof of citizenship to register will directly and intentionally affect a class of people then the federal government and the Supreme Court has no standing. I realize that many have stated that people of particular races or ages will be disproportionately affected. To that I say bull. Every American in this country that has a job or has had a job, served in the military, received welfare, social security or other government benefits, opened a bank account or bought a home has had to prove their citizenship. Unless one is living in the wilderness without an address there is absolutely no reason an American citizen can't and shouldn't have to prove such in order to vote. The only reason to oppose this protection of the voting system is to allow for illegals to vote and other forms of voter fraud to occur. There is no other logical conclusion to be drawn from all of the ridiculous examples of people that might be negatively impacted.

Shelley Bock 2 years, 1 month ago

Illegals, undocumented people, whatever, from Latin America have no interest in voting. All they want is work. They don't want any attention so why go to the county and register. They simply want a job and work, work, work. This is clearly designed to prevent Democratic voters who are the most impoverished.

Dick Sengpiehl 2 years ago

YOU got it wrong, optimist. Take off the rose colored glasses.

Kendall Simmons 2 years, 1 month ago

Says who? Your "employee state of Kansas friend"??

Kevin Millikan 2 years ago

I tried twice..but I still don't understand this babbling.

asixbury 2 years ago

What if you can't find your birth certificate? My husband lost his in a house fire when he was young. These burdens are unnecessary, since there has been no proof of voter fraud in the first place.

James Nelson 2 years, 1 month ago

Two reasons 1) Sam convinced the legislature to cut revenues to the state so severely that the state didn't have the money to make the refunds in a timely manner, and 2) Some of the best state workers finally decided they were not going to continue to work for a boss (the state) who didn't appreciate their hard work enough to provide at least small annual cost of living increases for several years running. Its tough when you read about private industry and the city and county governments providing increases and you're left out in the cold year after year. And then you see Sam hiring people who have no idea what they are doing - BUT, they are all pro-lifers.

leaningleftist 2 years, 1 month ago

Just wow. There are so many things wrong with all of your rambles that aren't even tied to grammar to address. It always puts people's minds at ease when " I have a friend" is used to frame an opinion. Kobach is just trying to disenfranchise citizens who might vote for a democrat because its obvious the regressives in this state cannot win on their ideas.

tomatogrower 2 years ago

Not to mention this person is obviously, not only one of the uninformed regressiives, he can't even communicate properly. I thought at first it was typing skills, but now I know different. Just keep voting against your own interest, WaddeSalmon. Do you really think that the Kobachs, Brownbacks and the Kochs would ever allow you into their inner circle? Do you really think they would want to have anything to do with you, except at their gardner or cook?

Kendall Simmons 2 years, 1 month ago

Perhaps they're supposed to be on the phone??

Your "friend" sure seems to be a busybody. Are you sure your "friend" isn't part of the problem?

James Nelson 2 years, 1 month ago

I would like to meet this "friend" of yours.

Lefty54 2 years, 1 month ago

Even the most die-hard republican has to see that this guy is a disaster and in way over his head.

Stuart Sweeney 2 years, 1 month ago

This guy is absolute validation of what is wrong with Kansas!

orbiter 2 years, 1 month ago

Wadde Salmon,

Maybe you are joking (your barely literate style of writing is throwing me), but according to the "facts" your "state of kansas friend" is telling you: there must be at least 84 state employees whose only job is to process citizenship requests.

Richard Payton 2 years, 1 month ago

The DMV form doesn't allow enough character space to put in a complete address. At least that was my experience. This new idea is a waste of time and money. I agree with Dolores!

scaramouchepart2 2 years, 1 month ago

Very simple : those Which the republican conservatives want and those they don't.

scaramouchepart2 2 years, 1 month ago

Sorry change conservatives to regressives

ksjayhawk74 2 years, 1 month ago

Why is is 10x harder to register to vote than it is to get a gun?

James Nelson 2 years, 1 month ago

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tomatogrower 2 years ago

. "This is creating a problem. Whenever we make things complex, people shun away."

That is exactly what Kobach wants.

hillsandtrees 2 years ago

13,000 Kansans in 7 months! You call that minimal?

tomatogrower 2 years ago

Ok, lets get some facts straight. These people showed their proof of citizenship to the DMV employees when they registered to vote. That's all they should have to do. But the new system, a rip off from a Texas company, didn't get the proof of citizenship to the proper place. So it's not the voter's fault. Many of them probably don't even know they are not registered to vote. They are not illegal voters!!!!

elliottaw 2 years ago

You can't provide proof of illegal voting so why are we wasting millions of dollars trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist

Seth Peterson 2 years ago

Angelus, your math is a little off. It's not 13,000 out of 11 million; it's 13,000 out of the number of people who registered in Kansas since this policy started....which is closer to 15,000 than 11 million.

I wouldn't call anything over 80% minimal.

Your comprehension needs some work too - all 13,000 of these people provided proof of citizenship and are allowed to vote, and being denied that right. Period.

Seth Peterson 2 years ago

There are more independent's than registered Repub and Demo combined, and most of them end up voting Democrat.

jafs 2 years ago

Are you sure?

I know that in KS the combination of registered D and unaffiliated voters is larger than those registered R.

Seth Peterson 2 years ago

True, but independents tend to be the most apathetic and are the least likely to actually vote (and a very very small portion are those that vote 3rd party candidates).

Seth Peterson 2 years ago

That they hate having money wasted, especially by a group that claims to be the 'fiscally conservative'?

Yes, it should tell you that the leaders of your party are truly terrible people.

tomatogrower 2 years ago

Not to mention liars. They claim to be fiscally responsible, then they do stupid things like this that will cost more to implement, and lead to law suits. But I guess the Koch's lawyers need more of our tax dollars.

jayhawklawrence 2 years ago

I admire what Kris Kobach did as a student. Job well done and it is something to be proud of.

His political positions leave me perplexed. Something is missing in his brain.

Why?

Why do educated people act so stupid?

Bike 2 years ago

KK political career has one goal only, take as much taxpayer money as he can, and to always stand up and say "look at me, look at me". He is a simple egotist, maybe racist. Some of us remember his OP city council days and shut our minds off when he opens his mouth.

Beth Ennis 2 years ago

and who is going to pay for these 2 separate election procedures??? We the tax payers are going to have to pay, because it will cost millions I'm sure to have separate elections and separate voter registration rolls and wow, keeping them both straight! On top of that, we will all have to register to vote yet again I'm guessing, but maybe not. Who knows. But I can guarantee that there is going to be a huge bill to the taxpayers for this plan.

Bob Forer 2 years ago

Kobach and his camp followers just spat in the face of every American man and woman, who throughout over two hundred years of American history, gave their time, sweat, blood and/or lives for the one of the most precious bounties of advanced human civilization--democracy.

I cannot help but be reminded of the admonishment a great Republican gave our nation nearly 150 years ago at Gettysburg:

'It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

These scoundrels should move to Afghanistan and leave our democracy alone.

THEY ARE TO THE LAST ONE CONTEMPTIBLE, DISGUSTING HUMAN BEINGS.

Lawrence Morgan 2 years ago

I don't always agree with you, but this message is right on in every way!

Thanks!

oldexbeat 2 years ago

should help keep the White House in the demo party for a couple of more terms -- the bigots in the GOP Tea Party are amazingly good at making people upset with them. The Koch Brothers followers are limited in number. The rest of the country will vote out at a national level the GOP again and again. The bigots in Kansas government -- Brownback, Huelskamp, Jenkins, Kobach, George, etc. are just the help the national Democratic Party needs to win. Bonus.

avarom 2 years ago

Yes, there's defintely two kinds of votes in Kansas, the kind they Count, and the kind they Don't......... for it does Not fit the BrownBuck $$$$$$$ Agenda!!!

Orwell 2 years ago

It's a real shame when anyone believes the falsehood that this has anything to do with the integrity of the electoral process. It's a conscious effort to suppress voting, particularly voting by those who would be more likely to vote against the incumbents.

If you believe in making it the least bit harder for ordinary voters to participate you're unfit to serve the public – and particularly unfit to serve as an election official.

Sylvie Rueff 2 years ago

The next thing we know, the powers driving Kansas will have the state seceding from the rest of the country, which will make an odd map. We can call it Kokobrobackistan, build a fence around it, and sell it to the highest bidder.

Seth Peterson 2 years ago

sigh reading comprehension issues again for you Pheps.

The people in question provided the necessary documentation. I guess it's a good thing you are able to afford the paperwork needed as if there were any written instructions necessary for voting you would lose that right; and be proud of it.

George Lippencott 2 years ago

I wonder what percentage of the 1300 or so voters that seemed to lack adequate identification in the last cycle will eventually produce same so as to be fully registered?. If they don't could Mr. Kobach have a point?

jafs 2 years ago

13,000.

And, many of those did in fact produce adequate identification to the DMV - that information wasn't transferred to the state the way it was supposed to be transferred - some sort of glitch with their computer systems, they say.

George Lippencott 2 years ago

Question still applies. Where did that zero go??

tomatogrower 2 years ago

Good grief, Moderate. Just come out and say you are for repressing these people's votes. They did show the proper id's, but the stupid software didn't get the message to the right people. The did their part, the state didn't. What part of facts do you not understand? These people did have the right id. Why should they have to show it twice?

George Lippencott 2 years ago

No, the DMV has a different standard. I totally support that when you first register you produce non "counterfeitable" proof of US birth and local residency. After that only proof of identity. If that make me a "repressor" of people's votes I plead guilty - proudly!"

hillsandtrees 2 years ago

At the rate we're going, we'll have 24,000 by the end of 2013, 40,000 by next November election!

Seth Peterson 2 years ago

Pheps, you're confused about what the phony issue is. 13,000 being denied the right to vote is unacceptable and is FAR more unacceptable that the imaginary problem that even one vote might be fraudulent.

You're still having problems with that reading comprehension thing as well, as it has been pointed out over and over, the 13,000 in question provided proper and adequate documentation as necessary and are still (currently) unable to vote.

Your willful lack of ability to grasp this basic fact, even though it has been pointed out repeatedly over several message boards, truly points to your level of trolling or ignorance.

globehead 2 years ago

YES! And that is EXACTLY the point. I cannot begin to believe the guy missed that tidbit. These folks DID provide proof of citizenship and requiring it again simply throws up another road block to their already established right to vote, Anyway one cuts it, Kobach's effort to stem the flood of illegal voters (which the KC Star investigated and could prove about 80 cases over 10 years) has disenfranchised 13,000 legal citizen voters. That's one remarkable failure on HIS part, not theirs, and a hideous scab on what's left of our democracy. Real patriots will not stand still for this. Supporters of Kobach will.

George Lippencott 2 years ago

I believe this argument is invalid. When you register at the DMV all you are required to provide is a statement that you were born here. No proof - just your word. That comes from the motor voter legislation and leads to the idea of two levels of voters.

In your book a signed statement may be adequate but I notice that my bank requires a credit check before it accepts my signature.

Kate Rogge 2 years ago

Voting is a RIGHT, sir. Not a convenience like having a driver's license or a bank checking account. So if an American citizen moves here from Milwaukee or Ohio without their birth certificate the State of Kansas refuses to acknowledge they have the Constitutional right to vote in local, state, and Federal elections? To protect us from the imagined horrors of illegals voting we have decided to disenfranchise American citizens? Disgraceful and, thankfully, ILLEGAL Republican manipulation of voting laws to suppress the votes of American citizens for political gain.

globehead 2 years ago

13,000 DID provide proper identification. They are the ones getting screwed here!

Seth Peterson 2 years ago

You're clearly trolling, it has been pointed out time and time again they provided proper identification and you are willfully ignoring this fact.

As an aside, many of us disagree as to what 'qualifies' as proper identification and what should be required. As it's purely subjective your other arguments are invalid and have no bearing on the discussion.

Again - since your reading comprehensions has problems - the individuals being discussed provided the 'proper identification'; by your own statements here they have the right to vote and are being denied.

George Lippencott 2 years ago

Yes, sir voting is a right. So is freedom of speech. We place limitations on the latter so we should be able to place limitations on the former. I do not consider that proving you are a citizen is an undue limitation - in fact I believe it is an obligation of the government to preserve my franchise!!!

globehead 2 years ago

Moderate:

Wrong! Here's the deal:

Back in 2011, Kansas legislators were considering passing a law that would require new voters to provide a birth certificate, passport or other documentation proving their citizenship when they registered to vote. According to a news story at the Lawrence Journal-World, Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach assured the legislature "that a new computer system being installed by the Division of Motor Vehicles could seamlessly provide citizenship information to county election officials across the state.”

The law passed, but the legislature decided to delay its start date from 1 June 2012 to 1 January 2013 “to ensure the [DMV] computer system would be working properly,” the Journal-World wrote. (This was over Kobach’s strong objections—he wanted the documentation requirement in place before the elections last November).

Apparently, even that delay wasn’t long enough.

According to the newspaper, the DMV claims that it is sending the REQUIRED proof of citizenship information to Kobach’s office, but most of the documentation doesn't seem to be finding its way back to county election officials. For example, the Journal-World says that county election officials in Douglas County report that some 80 percent of the voter registration forms it receives that were originally filed at the DMV are lacking the proper citizenship verification information. This compares to about 30 percent of all new voter registration forms filed (including those coming in from the DMV) since the law took effect in January.

If elections were held today, 13,000+ CITIZENS who have already PROVEN their citizenship would be denied their Constitutionally protected right top vote. That is nothing short of a 3rd world sham. These folks DID provide documents to the state who is unable to handle them.

Prior to Kobach's election, there were about a provable 80 voter ID fraud cases over the past 10 years. He had bumped that number up to over 10,000 and counting through pure and total incompetence.

jayhawklawrence 2 years ago

At this point in his political career, Kobach might find more success as a cartoon character.

The idea that he is a crusader fighting the evil of voter fraud is making the Republican Party in Kansas look like the joke it has become.

Kate Rogge 2 years ago

What a disgraceful man to be serving as the Kansas Secretary of State. Shameful misuse and abuse of power in the name of his personal ambition and staggering inadequacies.

tomatogrower 2 years ago

Tell me. If voter fraud is so rampant in Kansas, how do the Republicans keep winning?

globehead 2 years ago

YES! And that appears to BE the voter fraud in Kansas...just like when the PRI controlled Mexico for 75 years or so, a one party dictatorship. They've got 100% of the Congressional delegation, both Senators & the Governor's office. Perhaps they are shooting for 110%.

jafs 2 years ago

This is a little complicated.

From my reading, some who registered at the DMV did in fact provide the level of ID the state requires, and it got lost in transit somehow, while others simply provided what the feds require.

Folks who think that we should have to provide more ID than the feds require should advocate for that at the federal level, not the state level, since federal law trumps state law.

Continuing to pass state laws that conflict with federal laws wastes our time, energy and money.

George Lippencott 2 years ago

JAFS, you continue to amaze me with your lack of understanding of our federal system. The state has every right to set the election standards for its offices.

jafs 2 years ago

Well, it's clear that states must be in compliance with federal law (Article 1, Section 8 contains the supremacy clause, and explicitly states that federal law is the "law of the land", meaning that state laws that conflict with federal laws aren't ok).

And, of course, we have the Constitution as well - states can't pass regulations that conflict with that either, like poll taxes, etc.

Finally, even if it is possible for a state to pass a voter ID law that passes SC review, people who believe that voter fraud is a real issue would be well advised to advocate for a federal law that meets their approval. That way, states can't pass anything less rigorous.

These continuing attempts by states to pass laws in conflict with federal law is a huge waste of resources - they're going to lose every time, and it costs a lot of money to deal with these lawsuits, appeals, etc. I'd prefer that KS doesn't waste taxpayer dollars in that way.

George Lippencott 2 years ago

It is not in conflict. The constitution is clear that activities not specifically enumerated as belonging to the feds remain with the states and the people. Control of state elections remains in that set.

Poll taxes were specifically outlawed because among other things they discriminated against a specific set of citizens. There is no law limiting state actions on their own elections where the requirement is levied on all and if one was passed it would probably be found unconstitutional

All the court found was that the state could not take actions that were specifically in conflict with federal law (motor voter). There is no law limiting a states ability to require proof of citizenship in order to vote in state elections.

And yes I would love to have that law applicable at the federal level. Doing so has about as much a chance of success as getting a law prohibiting such a requirement at state levels.

jafs 2 years ago

Well, I'll wait for some more cases to get to the SC before forming a final opinion on that subject.

So far, I've found one that the SC upheld, and others that it has rejected. The Indiana voter ID law that was upheld just required a photo ID to vote, not proof of citizenship. And, it's not just the "motor voter" law, the federal form to register in elections doesn't require proof of citizenship. That means it's very possible that states trying to require that would be in conflict with that federal form.

globehead 2 years ago

Yep! That worked in Mississippi for years.

John McCoy 2 years ago

Nasty man, your Kobach. Much like our Perry in Texas. Both haters.

Trumbull 2 years ago

When is this going to end? Why do are elected servants keep worrying about voter fraud? It is such a miniscule issue that does not even exist. Has anyone ever been convicted of voter fraud? What is it with this total waste of effort? They totally cannot see the big picture and are unable to prioritize. Cannot see the forest for the trees.

It would be more productive if they place priority on bigger issues. Perhaps they can think of ways to save money on coffee expense at the capital? Maybe limit the # of post-it notes. Heck, things like that are way bigger than voter fraud.

George Lippencott 2 years ago

The constitution requires that a voter in federal elections be a citizen - go check it. It is therefore not unreasonable to require people to prove they are in order to vote. While the motor voter law established that simply saying you are one is adequate requiring more at the state level is not necessarily in conflict.

Exactly what is the problem in requiring that at least once you prove your citizenship to vote? How do you know that there is not voter fraud - there is no real system to identify it (other than when the number of votes cast exceeds the registered voters as it has in some cases in the past). Note that you can not vote unless registered ( a limitation on voting).

We have 12 million undocumented workers in this country. By signing a statement at the DMV what stops then from becoming voters when they are not citizens in contravention of the constitution.

Voting is one of our most precious rights. By allowing people that may not be citizens to vote you undermine our basic rights by cheapening them.

Mike Ford 2 years ago

fire the election fixers in 2014. plessy v. feguson and the voting rights act of 1964 ended this nonsense right?

Richard Heckler 2 years ago

It is time for Kobach to resign because he cannot keep himself busy on issues that matter. He brought with him this personal agenda while on the tax dollar payroll.

How do we get tax dollar haters of the tax dollar payroll? These thinkers do not make wise use of their time therefore spend tax dollars in a reckless manner. Oddly enough these thinkers are of the right wing party NOT the republican party.

Let's call this bunch the ALEC Right Wing Party of Reckless Spenders who despise the working class.

Kansas has no voting problems. Kansas does have a ALEC Right Wing Party of Reckless Spenders problem.

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