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Kobach proposes rule change on proof-of-citizenship requirement to register to vote

July 12, 2013

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— Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach is proposing a change to the law he pushed through the Legislature that requires proof of citizenship to register to vote.

The Kansas proof-of-citizenship law requires people who register to vote in the state for the first time to provide a birth certificate, passport or other document.

But since it went into effect Jan. 1, more than 11,000 people who have attempted to register to vote are in "suspense," meaning they are not yet qualified to vote because of lack of proof of citizenship.

County election officials have said that when people show proof of U.S. citizenship to get a driver's license at the Division of Motor Vehicles, the citizenship documentation is not making it to election officials for voter registration purposes.

Critics of Kobach have said this shows that Kansas wasn't ready for a proof of citizenship requirement.

But Kobach has said the problem can be addressed with his proposed regulation, which will allow people whose registration is in suspense to be able to cast a provisional ballot. But that ballot would not be counted unless the necessary proof-of-citizenship documents are provided to election officials prior to the canvassing of the vote after the election.

The State Rules and Regulation Board will consider the rule change at a meeting Tuesday.

Comments

question4u 1 year, 5 months ago

This is is just the new normal for Kansas government: bluster a lot, push through drastic changes without adequate study of the potential consequences, then when the ineptitude is made obvious by subsequent events, just shrug things off and claim that everything will be made better by putting a bandage over the gaping wound.

lucky_guy 1 year, 5 months ago

Stupid is a stupid does: Forrest Gump

Joshua Montgomery 1 year, 5 months ago

Just what our elections need. Another rule that promotes lawsuits and confusion after ballots are cast.

In close elections this will lead to candidates scrambling legal armadas to identify provisional voters who are likely to have voted the "correct" way and harass them into providing paperwork.

Legal challenges will abound.

Kobach's efforts to disenfranchise young, poor and uneducated voters is shameful. I can't believe that the public isn't up in arms about it.

kochmoney 1 year, 5 months ago

So people get a sham vote that doesn't count because the very government being accused of voter suppression is not processing their registrations? Brilliant. Just brilliant.

Kevin Kohls 1 year, 5 months ago

Here's my question: almost all the items that are accepted for proof are things one must pay to get. But voting is freedomright. So basically they are charging people to be able to vote! How is that fair or even constitutional????

frankfussman 1 year, 5 months ago

That's why we are calling this a poll tax.

hillsandtrees 1 year, 5 months ago

Only if the birth certificate you need is in Kansas.

speedy47 1 year, 5 months ago

Is it just ineptitude or maybe something else??? The documentation getting lost between DMV and voter registration?????? That's 11,000 votes that KS Tea Party probably don't want cast.

Lefty54 1 year, 5 months ago

The last thing Republicans want is people voting. They want to return to the old days- only rich, white, male land owners were allowed to vote.

skull 1 year, 5 months ago

Then why create obstacles to solve a nonexistent problem and shorten early voting periods? Exaggerated yes, but not even close to blatantly false.

globehead 1 year, 5 months ago

No! It's blatantly true, at least the part about not wanting people to vote. They only want the people who vote for them to vote and it has been proven in state after state. Every single approach they have taken has been to restrict voter participation.

Larry Sturm 1 year, 5 months ago

This is our voter fraud people can't vote.

Currahee 1 year, 5 months ago

The SSA keeps track of who is a citizen. Why can't they take a peek at what their SSA files indicate? It'd be fast, easy, and be virtually costless.

dabbindan 1 year, 5 months ago

kris, since you had this process all worked out by being so helpful to all those other states, i had expected this voter thing would have been seamless.

perhaps you should have spent more time in kansas, working on kansas things.

yourworstnightmare 1 year, 5 months ago

Wait, I thought the government was a diabolical mastermind overlord enslaving Americans through tyranny.

fiddleback 1 year, 5 months ago

Nice diversion, and excellent illustration of the modern G.O.P. strategy--first complain about how the government can't do anything right, then, once elected, neglect no opportunity to make things even more dysfunctional.

At least Obamacare attempts to address a set of real problems, whereas there are more big foot sightings than cases of voter fraud.

fiddleback 1 year, 5 months ago

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yourworstnightmare 1 year, 5 months ago

Kobach, Brownback and the right wing liberal GOP in Kansas are attacking fundamental American rights dealing with voting, privacy (abortion), and transparent government.

I guess as long as they say the right things about god, guns, and gays, all other truly dangerous activities are ignored by GOP voters.

Chicagojayhawk24 1 year, 5 months ago

This is the first good thing Kobach has done for Kansas!

hillsandtrees 1 year, 5 months ago

Denying thousands of Kansans the right to vote is good? Then doing away with elections and letting the dictator take over is excellent?

patkindle 1 year, 5 months ago

maybe just show a copy of last years fed income tax form report??

Catalano 1 year, 5 months ago

WTF is the State Rules and Regulations Board? We seriously have something called that? I would think this would have to be a legislative decision.

skull 1 year, 5 months ago

Please don't leave anything up to those fools that hasn't already been assigned to them.

verity 1 year, 5 months ago

It's very easy to email Mr Kobach---here again is the web address.

https://www.sos.ks.gov/contact.html

If you complain, but don't do anything about it, you are part of the problem. Not that I expect it to do much good, but he needs to know that he's not pulling the wool over everybody's eyes. And maybe if he gets enough feedback, he will realize that his future ambitions are in danger.

oldexbeat 1 year, 5 months ago

Maybe he'll run for governor ? Could work. Oh, wait, Liar Sam is running again, if you believe him. So maybe Texas ? Yup. Kobach would go live with Rick. Yup.

hillsandtrees 1 year, 5 months ago

And just think, Mr. Kobach fought hard to have this proof of citizenship requirement in place before last year's election.

A year later and the state is not even close to being able to handle the extra requirements.

verity 1 year, 5 months ago

Source that anybody anywhere advocated for that.

blindrabbit 1 year, 5 months ago

Back in the USSR, you don't know how luck we are. Or should I say 1930-1040's Germany. Nothin like a little voter suppression, be it from the left commie style, the right nationalistic style or better yet our own Kansas C-Street style.

Randall Uhrich 1 year, 5 months ago

Most of the time provisional ballots are thrown away and never counted. Check the record. Just another Republican move to disenfranchise eligible voters. BTW, how many verified cases of voter fraud ever recorded? Very, very few.

LJD230 1 year, 5 months ago

Interesting article about Mr.Kobach in the nation's paper of record. Of interest, the Secretary of State enjoys mountain biking. In Kansas, not!!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/14/us/politics/kansas-official-holds-line-against-moderation-in-debate-on-immigration.html?hp

roadwarrior 1 year, 5 months ago

it is unacceptable for this information failure to continue for even one more day. Have the IRS do it if the agency tasked to do it is so inferior, IRS has NO trouble getting and responding to my information consistently. Do not make a rule change, we don't adjust to our employees incompetence our employees need to prove they deserve the damned job or be fired. Make it work Chris, immediately and with no excuses.

hillsandtrees 1 year, 5 months ago

Why should the Federal Government spend any time on a Kansas law, which is essentially the same as the Arizona law, which the Supreme Court said, just last month, is unconstitutional? Do away with the extra paperwork!

Trumbull 1 year, 5 months ago

News about this voter ID stuff just keeps coming back like pesky fly. It just won't go away. There never was a problem in the 1st place. Not even sure if there was one documented case. What a waste of time and effort.

usesomesense 1 year, 5 months ago

I write 'SEE ID' on the backs of my credit cards (which is usually ignored by the cashier anyway). My hope is that if someone else gets my card they can't use it. If I choose not to vote I don't want someone else to be able to use my vote and if I do choose to vote I want to know someone else can't take it from me by getting to the polls first and saying they're me. The stuff they're requiring is required for employment - if your employer hasn't asked for copies of that stuff they're putting themselves at risk - which in turn puts your job at risk too. This means that it really shouldn't be a hardship unless you're retired (and have been for a while to have lost track of that info), completely disabled or have been subjected to an unexpected hardship - a fire or theft or just plain lost your ID. A provisional ballot is perfectly reasonable in these situations.

That being said there was no imminent disaster that required immediate full enforcement of this policy - they should have done a trial run the first year or two. If someone showed up without what they needed they'd be told next election they'll have to bring it and if they didn't it'd be provisional pending proper documentation.

This law should be to protect your vote - and you should want your vote protected. I don't really believe voter fraud has been rampant, but we'd never really know if it was without something like this in place. Ultimately voting needs to be more convenient for a truer representation. More convenience requires greater security to prevent abuse/fraud.

hillsandtrees 1 year, 5 months ago

So, according to you, only those people who are retired, completely disabled, subjected to an unexpected hardship - a fire or theft might have a problem. Then there are the self-employed, just graduating high school, people who have minimal employment.... That's at least half of the population.

The Supreme Court has said that requiring additional documents over what the Federal Voter registration form requires in order to be registered to vote, is unconstitutional.

usesomesense 1 year, 5 months ago

More than half of our population are retired, self-employed or just graduated high school? Did you look that up or make that up? Show me the numbers you've derived that notion please.
As I stated it's my vote and only my vote and I want to make sure of that. I'm not suggesting it should cost anything to be able to vote.
As citizens we are expected to know and abide by the laws - and I'm sure our schools can educate our High School students about what they need to be able to vote.
Also - as I said I do disagree with the deployment method - it could have been rolled out better. As for the 'minimally employed' - the rules are still the same - proper documentation for ALL workers. This protects businesses and citizen workers that follow the rules from being bankrupted or put out of a job by those businesses that exploit illegal immigrant workers.

Standing_on_my_own_2_feet 1 year, 5 months ago

Kobach is such a hater. Why not let everyone vote? Open all of the borders and whoever comes in on voting day, bus them to the polls and have them vote! Canadians, Chinese, Australians, Egyptians, Palestinians, Afgans, Germans, Saudis, everybody. Why not? Oh yeah, they're NOT legal citizens!!! You people that complain about voter ID laws are truly an embarrassment.

hillsandtrees 1 year, 5 months ago

No one has ever said that we should let non-citizens vote. We do say to let all citizens vote.

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