Letter: Wrong answer

January 6, 2013


To the editor:

Mike Hoeflich suggests that a “renewed draft” could curb gun violence (Journal-World, Jan. 2). An interesting thought — members of the armed forces never commit criminal violence, well, except for Major Hassan, Timothy McVey, Lee Harvey Oswald, Charles Whitman, but they must be the only ones.

Can you imagine any recruiter accepting Adam Lanza? As far as identifying people, many of these killers had long been recognized as troubled. James Holmes (oops, too old anyway) was seeing a psychiatrist; Seung-Hui Cho (the Virginia Tech shooter) had received mental health services for years (one of the objections raised was that the university did not have access to this information). Friends of the Lanzas say Adam’s mother tried to get him psychiatric help.

It’s difficult — and should be — to require anyone to get mental health treatment. Cho was ordered to get help. But if recruiters did locate someone who was dangerously ill, resources for mental health care are increasingly limited.

And speaking of recruiters — how many people and how much money would it cost to process all our young people and pay, feed, clothe and house them for two years?

Also, Hoeflich is not speaking of the draft (Selective Service.) He’s suggesting another idea that has been consistently rejected as expensive and inefficient: universal military training. He would have “all young people,” without considering people with retardation, chronic diseases, gang members and addicts, people in wheelchairs and young parents.

Surely, professor, we can come up with something better for far less money.


Abdu Omar 5 years, 3 months ago

"Surely, professor, we can come up with something better for far less money."

So, what is it? People are critical of others but come up with no solution themselves. Until you do, you should keep quiet.

deec 5 years, 3 months ago

Universal health care, with mental health on the same footing as all other medical conditions.

rtwngr 5 years, 3 months ago

is it ok to say "retardation"? Just asking.

Brock Masters 5 years, 3 months ago

Brainstorming is an effective means for coming up with great solutions, but these ideas don't start out as great initially. They are changed, tempered and tweaked until a good idea evolves.

For brainstorming to be effective you have to respect the ideas thrown out.

Maybe the idea of military service isn't perfect, but instead of slamming it build on it or offer an alternative solution. If we want to make progress we can't just bash ideas, but instead we must build on them and offer ideas of our own.

jhawkinsf 5 years, 3 months ago

By building on it, do you mean something like two years of compulsory service to America, be that in the Army or Peace Corps or as an inner city mentor.

Brock Masters 5 years, 3 months ago

Maybe or exempting some people.

I am not a fan of the draft or compulsory service but I am open to ideas to help improve our country and make it less violent.

jhawkinsf 5 years, 3 months ago

Are you channeling the now disappeared Liberty_One?

Compulsory primary education? Compulsory taxes? Compulsory car insurance? Compulsory seat belts? Slavery one and all or just the price we pay for living in a civil society? But if it is slavery, and your burden is too great to bear, then an underground railroad exists that will set you free. It's called immigration.

Liberty275 5 years, 3 months ago

Forcing someone to work, either for the army, the peace corp or the local cotton plantation is slavery. The examples you provide do not force people to work.

You should know the difference

"It's called immigration."


Liberty275 5 years, 3 months ago

First off, no American ever has a duty to their country merely because they are a citizen. Period.

Second, I was already stationed overseas 8 months after I turned 17.

Larry Sturm 5 years, 3 months ago

Most countrys require 2 years of military service and without pay. There are a lot of things people can do besides combat. It would enhance their view of having a country to live or die for. and the freedom of choice.

Liberty275 5 years, 3 months ago

"How about accepting the fact that the world is not Utopia?"

Thank you.

funkdog1 5 years, 3 months ago

I have always accepted that. What I do not accept, what I will not accept, is a country in which elementary children are slaughtered at school. That is totally unacceptable. The fact that this country took such swift steps when some idiot tried to blow up a plane with his shoes (we're STILL taking our shoes off at the airport) yet we've yet to do ANYTHING to try to protect our children at school is reprehensible and shameful in a nation so "great."

Liberty275 5 years, 3 months ago

A mandatory draft gets you in boot camp so the government doctors can have a look at you. and if you are just some normal kid, we get the chance to show you the best way to kill other people and teach you to shoot a real assault weapon

Sometimes they don't think past the end of their nose.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 3 months ago

IMPROVED Medicare Single Payer Insurance for ALL would cover every person for all necessary medical care 24/7 to include:

  • Wellness
  • prescription drugs
  • hospital
  • surgical
  • outpatient services
  • primary and preventive care
  • emergency services
  • dental
  • home health
  • physical therapy
  • rehabilitation (including for substance abuse)
  • vision care
  • hearing services including hearing aids
  • chiropractic
  • durable
  • medical equipment
  • palliative care
  • long term care

No deductibles No Co-pays

Allow IMPROVED Medicare Single Payer Insurance for ALL to be available now to all taxpaying consumers and let them make the choice. The mechanism is in place as we speak.

IMPROVED Medicare Single Payer Insurance for All leaves choice of doctors,clinics,hospital and services across the board to the consumer.

Single-Payer (HR 676 and S 703) Expanded Medicare for All

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-resources Physicians for a National Health Program

Liberty275 5 years, 3 months ago

I don't want the government involved in my health care. We will keep paying the $800/month to protect our privacy.

jafs 5 years, 3 months ago

So you won't be taking Medicare benefits, then?

Liberty275 5 years, 3 months ago

The day I receive medicare I will also have my DNR notarized and start wearing the bracelet. That's the best I can do.

jafs 5 years, 3 months ago

I guess you won't mind government involvement at some point then.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 3 months ago

He'd rather have a private corporation deny him treatment solely to prop up corporate profits.

Liberty275 5 years, 3 months ago

That has nothing to do with it. If I have a stroke and am resuscitated to live in a coma, everything I have worked my life for is going to be wasted keeping me on the borderline of life, I'd rather my wife have my meager belongings than pay a machine to breathe for me.

I made the choice. I am leaving no litigation and no guilt, You leave what you want.

Liberty275 5 years, 3 months ago

I will mind it very much. That's why I intend on keeping it short.

jafs 5 years, 3 months ago

Why take it at all then, if you're so staunchly opposed?

hedshrinker 5 years, 3 months ago

big brother is involved with your private insurance which you pay for ,HIPPA privacy is a joke plus ins co are driven by state and fed mandates and policies with which they must comply. you libertarians want to live in a fantasy world impossible in the modern world...I'm sad you experience so much hatred and cynicism related to our world.

Liberty275 5 years, 3 months ago

"HIPPA privacy is a joke"

Explain why a federal law is a joke. Give us your opinion as a doctor.

jayhawklawrence 5 years, 3 months ago

I thought Mike Hoeflich's idea had some merit, especially when put in the context of dealing with the number of high school dropouts hanging out on the streets of our cities. Some of these dropout factories are reaching dropout rates over 75%.

I think the comments made in criticism of Mike were exaggerated to say the least.

I have a friend from the South side of Chicago who told me that it was a war zone there and the only answer he could think of was to bring in the National Guard. The problems are much more complicated than simply blaming the NRA and guns. That is really about as stupid as stupid can get.

We are a dumbed down nation because we are only "allowed two positions" on any issue; the Democratic Liberal Extreme position and the Republican Conservative Extreme position. The politics of our country is destroying our country's ability to be a leader in solving problems of the 21st century. We may be following China in 20 years because they may prove to be better at solving problems. Who knows?

This is why our country is falling down in the world and we have already lost our leadership position in the eyes of the world. We have become the butt of jokes.

Kontum1972 5 years, 3 months ago

in regards to Vietnam...and its soldiers....forced induction to fight a war that we should never of been involved with President Kennedy said their would not be American soldiers pushed into that civil war, that's why he had his green berets/special forces. Kennedy knew about war since he was involved with WW2 in the Pacific, and look how long that mess in both theaters waged on. Once the the forces that be eliminated him it was a free for all with LBJ and his buddies/military industrial complex....and so folks how long did that wage on? LBJ even wanted to nuke the place....but that would of pissed off the Russians, the Chinese then it would of been a really whole different ball game. You all need to remember the Cuban missile crisis I was in the 5th grade when that happened.....but Nikita backed off. I don't remember meeting any rich kids when I was in the Army during that war.....nothing but draftees except for the officers out of OCS and ROTC...or West Pointers...and the reference to China and War..read Sun Tzu and the Art of War...or Samurai....by H. Paul Varley

Liberty275 5 years, 3 months ago

My brother was there by choice. Engineer of some sort. He's the only man I look up to.

acg 5 years, 3 months ago

Can't believe I'm getting ready to say this, and it hurts a little (I won't lie)...Liberty is right. If someone is going to go psycho, forcing them into compulsory service to their country isn't going to all of a sudden transform them into a responsible young person. Some people are just effed in the head and all we can do is lock them away from the rest of us and try to get them some help. As for the rest of the citizens, we can't cower in our houses in fear of everything that goes bump in the night. Gun crimes are horrible, especially the ones recently, but they kill a small percentage of the population. Booze, cars, tobacco, drugs, cancer, etc. all kill tons of people every day. What are we going to pick to be most afraid of: gunmen, cars, psychos, cigarettes, the myriad cancer causing agents, sex pervs, terrorists, republicans? The list goes on and on......

jafs 5 years, 3 months ago

Well, I try to act sensibly in regard to those things you mention.

I don't drink much, smoke, take drugs, etc. and I do my best to pay attention while driving.

That's what we can do to minimize our risk of dying stupidly and too soon.

Liberty275 5 years, 3 months ago

Do you have a fire extinguisher in your car?

Nikonman 5 years, 3 months ago

Why does anyone think a Draft would work after Jimmy Carter gave blanket amnesty to those who fled to Canada and other countries. He set a precedent that will never be forgotten. For the most part it was inner city blacks and poor white trash that did the dying in Vietnam, not the college boys.

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