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Conservatives changing state government

February 27, 2013

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— The conservative takeover of state government has resulted in numerous bills aimed at insulating the Kansas Legislature from both judicial and public review and federal requirements, while attempting to give legislators more control over local governments and schools.

"After the most recent state election, there seems to be a heightened interest in limiting the authority of local governments," said Don Moler, executive director of the League of Kansas Municipalities. "Bills that would not have been heard previously are being heard and seriously considered."

Conservative Republicans are pushing for changing city election dates, prohibiting lobbying that uses taxpayer dollars and making tax changes that would cost local governmental entities plenty.

There are bills that provide wide exemptions for legislators from the Kansas Open Meetings Act, call for the arrest of federal authorities who try to enforce federal gun laws and a constitutional amendment aimed at thwarting a court ruling against the Legislature in school finance. The proposal banning the use of public dollars to lobby legislators says that local government officials could communicate on an issue with a member of the Legislature if they were asked.

There is even a bill that would require Kansas University and Kansas State University to play Wichita State University in men's basketball every year.

State Sen. Michael O'Donnell, R-Wichita, the author of the basketball proposal, also got a committee hearing on a bill that would have prohibited local health departments from seeking national accreditation. O'Donnell said he was concerned about the federal government's reach into health departments through the accreditation process.

But he backed off the proposal after Kansas Department of Health and Environment Secretary Dr. Robert Moser and a roomful of local health department leaders from across the state testified against it, saying health departments trying to improve the quality of their services was a good thing.

State Rep. Dennis Hedke, R-Wichita, has introduced legislation that prohibits the state or any municipality from using public funds for sustainable development—defined by the bill as "a mode of human development in which resource use aims to meet human needs while preserving the environment so that these needs can be met not only in the present, but also for generations to come, but not to include the idea, principle, or practice of conservation or conservationism."

Hedke, a geophysicist in the oil and gas industry, is now chairman of the House Energy and Environment Committee. He also is seeking a delay in renewable energy requirements approved in 2009 and last year successfully had the House adopt a resolution condemning a United Nations policy from 1992 that called for global cooperation to improve the environment and reduce economic disparities between countries.

The Legislature also is considering a bill that would require school districts teach all sides of the climate change issue.

The proposed school finance constitutional amendment, which passed last week with a two-thirds majority in the Senate, would prohibit the courts from telling the Legislature to increase school funding.

A three-judge panel has ruled that the Legislature failed its constitutional duty to fund schools at an adequate level and ordered a minimum increase of $440 million in annual spending to make up for several years of budget cuts.

The state has appealed and conservative Republicans are attempting to change the Kansas Constitution to remove courts' authority over school finance decisions, making the Legislature the sole authority.

Attorneys representing plaintiff school districts said, "Clearly, the state has been unwilling to meet its burden under the Constitution for almost as long as the burden has existed."

But state Sen. Jeff King, R-Independence, defended the constitutional amendment, which would be placed on the August 2014 ballot if approved by two-thirds of the House, saying that the measure would allow voters to decide whether they want the courts or legislators to have the final say in school funding.

Some of these proposals have been introduced before, but with Gov. Sam Brownback and his fellow conservative Republicans in firm control of the House and Senate, the measures now are getting more traction.

The League of Kansas Municipalities' Moler said he hoped the reach into local governmental affairs would not go too far.

"At this point, we remain hopeful that the strong Kansas tradition of local control will prevail, and that such limitations will not become law," he said.

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Cant_have_it_both_ways 1 year, 8 months ago

Maybe they can add a lifetime limit on welfare benefits too. Something like 20 years.

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Cassie Powell 1 year, 8 months ago

I was under the impression that there already is a 5 year limit to getting welfare benefits... However I have never seen it being enforced.

http://www.dcf.ks.gov/services/ees/Pages/Cash/TAF.aspx

Note: Families can only get TANF for 48 months in a lifetime. You may not use your cash benefits to purchase alcohol, tobacco or lottery tickets.

It is actually only 4 years...

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Khublai_Juan 1 year, 8 months ago

The lifetime limit for cash assistance (TANF) is 48 months now and it is strictly enforced. There are a few cases where folks qualify for a hardship and can get cash up to 60 months, but there is an absolute cutoff point at 60 months. There is no lifetime limit for food stamps however.

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chootspa 1 year, 7 months ago

And 80% of families receiving food stamps are working.

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Bob Hechlor 1 year, 7 months ago

I think there needs to be a limit on subsidies for oil companies and limits on those oil companies then using our tax dollars to fund tea party candidates who make sure the oil companies continue to get subsidies.

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Hooligan_016 1 year, 8 months ago

Don't forget outlawing Sharia law and condemning evil Agenda 21!

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Joe Hyde 1 year, 8 months ago

We can expect many more equally idiotic, hostile-toned, attention-grabbing bills to be introduced by conservative Republicans, or championed by Governor Brownback. It's their tactic to divert the public's attention from the fiscal pain we'll soon suffer thanks to the 2012 tax law benefitting the wealthy.

What we presently have in Topeka isn't really a legislature. It's a jail break of right wing extremists.

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bad_dog 1 year, 7 months ago

So does post-electoral conduct...

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SnakeFist 1 year, 8 months ago

Regressives want to outlaw "a mode of human development in which resource use aims to meet human needs while preserving the environment so that these needs can be met not only in the present, but also for generations to come."

Wow - good thing we're getting rid of that, it sounds perfectly evil.

Its funny how regressives claim to care about how much national debt future generations will inherit, but could not care less about the quality of the air, water, or other environmental conditions they'll inherit.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 1 year, 8 months ago

I hope he outlaws dental floss while he's at it.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 1 year, 8 months ago

"but could not care less about the quality of the air, water, or other environmental conditions they'll inherit."

Those problems can't be addressed solely by the magic hand of capitalism, so they are ideologically required to deny that these problems exist.

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 8 months ago

RT wing conservatives = misinformation galore and bigger more expensive dictator style facist government

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Corey Williams 1 year, 8 months ago

It's a good thing it's only someone's opinion and not actual news.

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jwljpm 1 year, 7 months ago

Wow! The liberals took over? When did that happen? Does that mean we are going to get a single payer health care system, a fair tax system, campaign reform, the immediate end to the war in Afghanistan. immigration reform and the end private ownership of assault weapons and extended magazines? Yippee! Or should that be Yuppee! It's been so long.

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Alyosha 1 year, 7 months ago

Good try at satire, but for satire to work, it has to be based in reality, and have a sense of truth to it. Your concept of "insulating hardworking US taxpayers form judicial and public review" makes zero sense, as does your concept of giving "Obama" more control over states. Do you mean the Executive Branch, or does your emotional response to the current President not allow you to separate the holder of an office from the office itself?

You should take Eric Erickson's advice to so-called conservative journalists: http://www.redstate.com/2013/02/27/w5-h-a-baseline-for-integrity/

"Conservatives are trying so hard to highlight controversies, no matter how trivial, we have forgotten the basics of reporting."

And "Just as troubling, there are some conservative reporters out there who aim for the basic facts, but get stuck on talking points."

Rockchalk could learn from Mr. Erickson and as result stop getting lost in the fantasies / outrages that exist only his is own mind. That would be helpful to everyone.

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Armstrong 1 year, 7 months ago

Obama is an insult to hardworking U.S. taxpayers

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Alyosha 1 year, 7 months ago

I disagree. I've been a hardworking U.S. tax payer for 34 years and I do not find President Obama to be insulting whatsoever.

If you can point to facts that lead you to that conclusion, I'll gladly consider them. If you are basing your assertion on your emotions, that's you're issue, not the President's.

Try to prove, without hyperbole, or emotional language, or logical fallacies, your assertion, and then you'll be in the ballpark reasonable citizens reside in.

If you can't, you're part of the problem, Armstrong, in that you are basing your civic conclusions on illogical and fallacious grounds.

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Bob Hechlor 1 year, 7 months ago

How does that happen? I don't feel insulted. Do you? If so, why? Something you heard on Fox?

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jwljpm 1 year, 7 months ago

As opposed to that hard working guy named Mitt Romney who inherited most of his money and made more money by closing down plants like Armour Steel in Kansas City and investing it in tax havens like the Cayman Islands.

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Thomas Bryce 1 year, 8 months ago

"Changing" some thing is the easiest and quickest way to Feign Progress. By"Changing" or attempting to change SO many things, They are distracting from the Reality of what they have done and are doing and Grand standing for their Base. No progress. They only Regress, but with Plenty of Distraction. Not a hard Strategy to see through.

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Cait McKnelly 1 year, 8 months ago

And the hits just keep on coming. A bill introduced last year, passed by the House and tabled by the Senate has been reintroduced. It will legally protect physicians and bar them from being sued for "wrongful life" if they lie to or withhold crucial information about the health of a fetus from a pregnant woman to keep her from aborting. Never mind that in cases where the fetus has severe anomalies it can also (and frequently does) endanger the life of the woman carrying it. If she dies, they can still sue for wrongful death. Sad comfort that will be to her family.
These fetus worshippers and forced birthers just don't give a damn about women.

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Catalano 1 year, 8 months ago

"These fetus worshippers and forced birthers just don't give a damn about women."

Or anyone who's last name isn't Koch.

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Cait McKnelly 1 year, 7 months ago

Want to hear something funny? In CA a Catholic hospital was sued for three counts of wrongful death when a woman and the twins she was carrying all died. Guess what defense the (Catholic) hospital's lawyers put up? Three guesses and the last two don't count. Yep, their defense was that the twins should be dropped from the suit because they weren't "human". The lulz just keep coming. http://gawker.com/5978597/catholic-hospital-chain-kills-wrongful-death-lawsuit-by-arguing-that-a-fetus-is-not-a-person

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geekin_topekan 1 year, 8 months ago

Can't wait until they attack educational curriculum like the super-White majority of AZ.

Will our children be allowed to learn of the civil rights fight other than how the good Christian white people were enlightened by God and now blacks can vote?

Any mention of an on-going genocide of the brown savages, only how they saw the white way was so much better than their own way of life and decided to join?

Thanks LJWorld for showing me the faces of the emerging super-white of KS. It reminds me of the Driving of the Golden Spike photo where all are white, healthy and proud when in reality the workforce was 90% Chinese who wren't allowed into the photo op and were forced to walk home because they weren;t allowed to ride the railroad they built.

I apologize for what appears to be an anti-white people rant but hey, that's a mighty pale looking bunch and I could not help but notice.

And so on...

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tomatogrower 1 year, 7 months ago

Obama didn't release prisoners. The people in charge released undocumented immigrants, because they aren't going to have the money to keep them. Oh, but now you might have to stand on the street corner looking for a job, like they do. Or if you have a business, your employee costs just went down.

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rtwngr 1 year, 7 months ago

No, you're right. President Obama did not release any prisoners. He told Janet Napalotano and her minions at ICE to march into that jail and instruct them to release those prisoners well ahead of the sequester deadline. What if there had been an 11th hour deal? Those prisoners are just as gone and they aren't coming back. This is the most destructive president in the history of this country. He lies, lies, and lies some more to push his ideology. He doesn't want to lead, he wants to campaign.

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Gary Denning 1 year, 8 months ago

Sen. Tom Arpke from Salina certainly has the capacity to help create massive change to our State Government. His credentials include being a part time substitute teacher and being favored by the Koch Brothers. Do we need to know anything else?

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Liberty275 1 year, 7 months ago

"Do we need to know anything else?"

He is an elected representative.

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Orwell 1 year, 7 months ago

That's a correctable error. The harm he causes in the meantime, not so much.

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Sparko 1 year, 8 months ago

North Korea comes to mind. Suppress voters, kill union rights and keep everyone poor and hungry. Worker's paradise.

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bisky1 1 year, 8 months ago

Let's see, Obama? Brownback? Obama? Brownback? Hypocrites all.

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Bob Hechlor 1 year, 7 months ago

Oh yah, exactly. Have you ever had a real thought?

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Keith 1 year, 8 months ago

You can't call them conservatives, because conservatives respect and revere both the state and national Constitution, while these so-called conservatives don't understand either.

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Joe Hyde 1 year, 8 months ago

I couldn't agree more. The right wing's co-opting of the word "conservative" is one of the very worst political offenses they've committed. It personally offends me to even use that honored word when referring to them, as they are not conservatives in any real sense: their political goals, tactics and strategy, all of it, is radical to the core.

I and others are, unfortunately, forced to refer to them as "conservatives" because: 1) that's what these radicals insist on calling themselves, and; 2) the word is what the public has come to identify them as.

I long for the day when true Republicans come back in this state. They did us so much good for so many years, only to see their body of work being systematically sabotaged by the Republican radicals of today.

Hell, I even hate calling this radical bunch we have today "Republicans". They don't deserve the title.

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oldexbeat 1 year, 7 months ago

little black hearted anarchist yup. the koch tea gop party anarchists. the lawyers will be making bank from these idiots for years and years -- maybe that's the plan ?

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globehead 1 year, 7 months ago

I agree! They co-opted the word "conservative" after they co-opted "Christianity". I'm not really sure in which order but I'm sure that neither is the conservative or Christianity I grew up with. These conservatives reject Barry Goldwater and think Christ was nailed to the cross along side billionaires.

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Lynn Grant 1 year, 8 months ago

Keith you are so right! They want to change our Constitution on a whim, meaning if it doesn't suit their agenda, it is no good. We don't need no stinkin' checks & balances!

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Liberty275 1 year, 8 months ago

Government at odds with itself is a beautiful thing.

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bad_dog 1 year, 7 months ago

This is a government against most of its citizens. Whether some can figure that out remains to be seen.

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Alyosha 1 year, 7 months ago

Unless you're in the grand American political tradition, coming straight out of the Declaration of Independence, that recognizes the self-evident truth that governments are instituted to secure our inalienable rights.

If you hate government, you by definition hate that which secures each of our inalienable rights, and moreover stand in direct opposition to American political tradition and beliefs.

That's your right, but don't expect those of us who value and treasure the American experiment, and American political philosophy that gave us independence from Britain and gave us the Constitution, to agree with you or find your anti-government stances anything but dangerous to our inalienable rights.

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danmoore 1 year, 8 months ago

Remember when Bob Dole was considered the far right of the republican party.

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Katara 1 year, 8 months ago

These people are not conservatives. Please stop referring to them as such.

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Mark Pickerel 1 year, 8 months ago

This collection of misguided, idiotic laws and tax policy could set us back decades in school funding and science education, killing our economy in order to save it.

I would say that someday these people will regret their actions, but it is more than likely that they will be dead before Kansas becomes something other than a haven for the willfully ignorant.

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fiddleback 1 year, 8 months ago

So where is the composite picture being shown on the main site??

I expected to read a caption with a list of names and where they're from...

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fiddleback 1 year, 8 months ago

Okay, fine, LJW. I just skipped waiting and looked up the official rogues gallery, an amusing assortment of un-self-aware rural caricatures and, well, very obviously shallow gene pools ... http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2013_14/chamber/senate/seating/

I don't if the rest of you have some sense of the pathetic cross section of dying rural America that rules our state, but looking at these pics, the 3 phases that come immediately to mind are "brain drain," "show business for ugly people," and "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!!"

Then there's this guy, whom I estimate to be about 13 years old...

When not trying to legislate that KU be forced to play WSU in hoops and introducing patently stupid anti-health care accreditation bills (http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2013/feb/18/legislator-backs-bill-aimed-keeping-health-departm), lil' Mikey O'Donnell enjoys collecting Pokemon cards, watching VeggieTales, and sitting on Uncle Sammy's lap...

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Cait McKnelly 1 year, 8 months ago

I know one thing, looking at that composite photo. The white's pretty blinding.

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Graczyk 1 year, 8 months ago

His shirt and tie clearly come out of the same package.

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fiddleback 1 year, 7 months ago

Lest I be accused of agism, it's not Mikey's utterly punchable baby face or even his infantile grasp of politics that are the most repulsive; it's his pathetic resume and his sudden power being totally unearned.

http://www.kansas.com/2012/07/24/2421543/odonnell-government-the-problem.html

http://www.kansas.com/2012/12/18/2607994/michael-odonnell-issues-apology.html

http://www.kansas.com/2012/09/27/2506535/home-of-wichita-city-council-member.html

Another cloistered brat failing upwards with absolutely no sense of shame... And with all this embarrassing press, Wichita still can't do better than this loathsome little weasel for its state senator???

Compare that with this young Lawrence guy actually providing real help to people and seeming to lead what you could call a Christian life (but who's gay, so I'm sure O'Donnell would condemn him to the lake of fire)

http://www.scottcriqui.com/Criqui_for_City_Commission/About.html

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bring_JOHN_BROWN_back 1 year, 8 months ago

Wow. The picture accompanying this article displays the diverse cultural backgrounds our state legislators incorporate into their identities....and subsequent decisions. When can we (rational) humans begin our (r)evolutionary duty of thinning the regressive genome? In true adolescent fashion, I WANT IT NOW!!!!

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Mike1949 1 year, 7 months ago

This is the whole problem. The Legislature is trying to control ever facet of Kansan's lives in a dictatorial manner that will eat away at all of Kansan's freedoms and equal rights. In essence, they are destroying a once great state making it a third world entity! Guess what, the majority of Kansans don't care. All they want to do is blame Obama, even when it is the Kansas Legislature that is destroying our freedoms! Way too many people listen to that republican propaganda channel misnamed as a new station called fox. All I can say, everyone is going to pay for these people's stupidity, and it will take decades to correct the damage being done!

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Jason Johnson 1 year, 7 months ago

You should push very hard on no gun control laws then. A government should be scared of its people, not vice versa. That way, should any laws get really out of hand to the point of no return, you'll have a reset button handy.

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question4u 1 year, 7 months ago

"The Legislature also is considering a bill that would require school districts teach all sides of the climate change issue."

On the one hand there is the argument made by the National Science Foundation, The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (the publications of which are approved line by line by governmental representatives of more than 120 countries), and 98% of other scientists.

On the other hand there is the argument made by scientists employed by the gas, petroleum, and coal industries and disseminated on Fox News: the argument made by state legislators who want to pass bills to favor industries from which they derive their income.

If there was ever a bill introduced out of desperation, this is it. It is likely to backfire all over Hedke. If history teachers were required to present both sides of the Holocaust issue that wouldn't convince any rational person that the Holocaust never happened. It would just highlight how irrational Holocaust deniers are.

Right now it is the job of science teachers to talk about things like ice core data and shrinking ice caps. Hedke's bill would require them to explain that the gas, petroleum, and coal industries have a vested interest in denying the data. At the very least, if Hedke's bill is passed, then science teachers could hardly be criticized for explaining this to their classes.

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Dan Eyler 1 year, 7 months ago

The League of Kansas Municipalities' Moler said he hoped the reach into local governmental affairs would not go too far.

"At this point, we remain hopeful that the strong Kansas tradition of local control will prevail, and that such limitations will not become law," he said.

What Moler is really saying is that municipalities want local control but lots of state tax dollars coming from Topeka. Once we reduce the taxes flowing from Topeka to municipalities they will have local control. To even suggest Kansas has a history of local control is ridiculous. The level of local government spending is directly tied to state taxes. Only when local communities break their addiction to state income taxes can there we local control. Municipalities are addicted to state income taxes allowing them to increase increase local spending without increasing local taxes. I don't call that local control.

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Cait McKnelly 1 year, 7 months ago

Much the same can be said for the state's addiction to Federal tax money. The state wants to control the state free of Federal interference? Fine. Give back the farm, oil, energy and transportation subsidies. Yeah. Like THAT'S going to happen.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 1 year, 7 months ago

The real goal is to starve local governments of tax revenues, which will require them to raise their own funds, and the only ways that are available to them are the most regressive forms of taxation resulting in decreased rates of taxation on the wealthy and increased rates on the poor, working and middle classes. In other words, more class warfare from the new GOP (Grand Ole Plutocracy.)

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 1 year, 7 months ago

Why, yes, if they'd just learn to fulfill all their needs by only shopping at the company store, life would be heaven.

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rtwngr 1 year, 7 months ago

Well said!

@bozo - Blah, blah, blah, rich people are stealing from poor people. Blah, blah, blah.

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Orwell 1 year, 7 months ago

At least not a government bought and paid for by the fossil fuel industry.

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NotAGolfer 1 year, 7 months ago

These bills limit what can be done with STATE dollars. They're not limiting what local communities can do by raising their own dollars to pay for it.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 1 year, 7 months ago

That's fine for wealthy communities, but 90% of Kansas localities are not wealthy. In other words, this is a way to shift the tax burden away from the wealthy, and onto everyone else, and to dramatically cut services in the process.

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chootspa 1 year, 7 months ago

Actually, there are a few bills floating around that would limit what local communities could do with their own dollars and how they could raise those dollars.

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Alyosha 1 year, 7 months ago

Kansas Republicans are now as "conservative" as the Bolsheviks were in Russia. There is nothing "conservative" about fundamentally changing the state Constitution and the political traditions of the state.

Some good old-fashioned thinking skills and good old-fashioned morality and ethics are what's needed, and sadly those are lacking.

What we have are radicals, not conservatives.

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NotAGolfer 1 year, 7 months ago

The Bolsheviks were NOT free-market, government minimalists. They believed in a central power controlling the localities, just like Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini.... Liberals need to hone their own thinking skills, and face up to the realities of taking their philosophies to the extreme.

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Alyosha 1 year, 7 months ago

You mistake my meaning, which is understandable, since your goal seems to be to assert partisanship.

I was specifically referencing the well-known fact that the Bolsheviks were not conservative. And my point stands: the so-called conservatives in Kansas are just as conservative as the Bolsheviks were. Meaning, they are NOT conservative, but rather radical.

Yet in your partisan zeal, you completely missed the clear meaning of what I wrote.

There is a lesson there for you. Make sure you understand what people are saying, before jumping to hyperbolic, overgeneralized conclusions.

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Cait McKnelly 1 year, 7 months ago

"The Bolsheviks were NOT free-market, government minimalists."
And neither are the right wing, Koch addicted loons in the state capital.
Granddaddy Joseph Koch worshiped the ground Mussolini walked on. He made his millions trading with the Nazis and the Fascists and laundering the money through shell corporations so he wouldn't get smacked with charges of treason and trading with the enemy. His Fascism filtered down to his kids, make no mistake.

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NotAGolfer 1 year, 7 months ago

I think many conservatives would agree there's not much conservative about their philosophy, except conserving the constitution, which limits what federal government can do--limits what the majority can impose upon the minority. Their religious beliefs, though, sometimes trump their beliefs in liberty. So-called "liberals" want to grow and conserve centralized power. They are the biggest control freaks, and there's certainly nothing liberal about their philosophy. Libertarians are the only ones to truly believe in liberty, who truly want to protect the individual against the tyranny of the majority.

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Alyosha 1 year, 7 months ago

You mean preserving the constitution by changing it, as with the school funding provisions?

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Bob Hechlor 1 year, 7 months ago

Your focus is off. Your statements are wrong and then you try to support your false statements with bogus facts. That would have to be called a complete fail. Reality would be of help, but it is unlikely that you have any remaining connection to it.

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Aldobrando9 1 year, 7 months ago

The time has come for the RINOs and Dems to merge. Now, now, now ...

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bevy 1 year, 7 months ago

Ya'll realize that any constitutional amendment must be approved by the voters, right? So, when it comes onto the ballot, go out and VOTE AGAINST IT.

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sciencegeek 1 year, 7 months ago

Whatever happened to the "limited government" mantra of the conservatives? They don't want the feds intruding into the lives of citizens, but they see no problem in doing it themselves. Dictating the details of school curriculum? Saying what doctors can or cannot discuss with their patients? Limiting what any entity can say to their legislators?

COME ON! Are they totally blind to their own hypocrisy? Or is it that they think they know better than the peasants they represent? I'm inclined to think it's both.

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 1 year, 7 months ago

See what you get with the Repubican Terrorist Party?? With Brownback??????

Arn't you PROUD, Kansans???? Arn't you PROUD!!!!!!!!!!!

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rtwngr 1 year, 7 months ago

Yes, quite proud! When we get done, if you don't like it, you can change it all back when you elect your people into the legislature. In the mean time, feel free to move. I think Connecticut, Massachusetts, or New York might be to your liking. They tax the heck out of the wealthy and give it to the poor.

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Alyosha 1 year, 7 months ago

Try to prove with facts that "They tax the heck out of the wealthy and give it to the poor."

If you can't, you're doing nothing but engaging in immoral and unethical argumentation.

One would think an American citizen would base their beliefs on facts, not on fantasies.

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Orwell 1 year, 7 months ago

That's the spirit, rtwngr – get rid of anyone who disagrees, even if you depopulate the state in the process. Abandoned public & private investment, decimated workforce and constricted markets for local goods and services – what a paradise!

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rtwngr 1 year, 7 months ago

One more thing on the sequester. Why don't we start by cutting the $1.5 billion used to fund "Obamaphones" like the one that moron was screaming about on national news in Philadelphia. If you want to know what drives us conservatives crazy, right there it is. Idiot giveaways like that.

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Alyosha 1 year, 7 months ago

You are again, rtwngr, not doing yourself justice. You are believing things which are not true. The most recent law concerning the "SafeLink Wireless" program was signed into law by President Bush.

Here are some facts:

"This specific program, SafeLink, started under President George Bush, with grants from an independent company created under President Bill Clinton, which was a legacy of an act passed under President Franklin Roosevelt, which was influenced by an agreement reached between telecommunications companies and the administration of President Woodrow Wilson." http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/

So they could be called Wilsonphones, or Rooseveltphones, or Clintonphones, or Bushphones, but in no rational fact-based universe can they be called Obamaphones.

Why do you continue to believe things, and repeat things, which are not true? How does that help the United States in general, and yourself specifically?

Have the courage to confront facts when you're beliefs are out of accordance with them. That's why God gave us brains.

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Katara 1 year, 7 months ago

http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/cellphone.asp
http://www.fcc.gov/guides/universal-service-support-mechanisms

And the program is not funded by taxpayer dollars although rtwngr wants to mislead us into believing that.

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Bob Hechlor 1 year, 7 months ago

What would be clear if anyone fully investigated, is that Brownback and repubs have two agendas; 1) To be the handmaiden to the fossil fuel industries and 2) to create a system that gives them full control over the political process so that they are always in power. This is effectively a move to create a dictatorship and there have been many aspects of dictatorship in play since Brownback was elected and took office. He uses the ploy of supporting evangelical agenda to gain their support. They do not suspect his real agenda and blindly support republicans. The consequence is that repub voter's interests are really not being addressed. Actual policies put in play to prevent abortion will actually lead to more abortions occurring and then on top of that, the judicial system will become even more overburdened, with less money to pay for it, due to reduced taxes. The problem is that the system that Kansas had, was arrived at through years of learning what was needed to run a state effectively. When an ignorant person takes over and allows himself to be the puppet for the Koch brothers and enacts their created legislation, very few people are really going to benefit. In the end, no one will benefit, because the Koch plan is a failed plan from the beginning. They may get their coal fired plant and their X L Pipeline, at the sacrifice of every other legitimate state pursuit.

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JohnBrown 1 year, 7 months ago

So, the "Don't Tread On Me" crowd is now consolidating their power by treading on everyone else. So much for shouting "FREEDOM!" and "LESS GOVERNMENT!" all these years.

The truth comes out:

All liars...only interested in money, power and prestige.

JohnBrown

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yourworstnightmare 1 year, 7 months ago

I would not call these people "conservatives". I think that "right wing liberal" is a more apt term.

They use liberal tactics to achieve right-wing goals.

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Kontum1972 1 year, 7 months ago

has anyone seen geo. bush the younger? point the finger there....there was a surplus.....and he gave it all back to us....that's when the trouble started.....then there was that stupid war.....killed Saddam....the control point to the whole middle east. Then that gave the Iranians....free reign.....the Iraq war.....Bush/Chaney two great americans.

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Lane Signal 1 year, 7 months ago

I'm going to call out Mr. Rothschild for the use of the word "conservative". While I do not consider myself a conservative, I think it is unreasonable to call these jackals conservatives. Brownie and his committee of white male robots are not conservatives. They are not trying to balance a budget and they are not taking careful and measured steps set up a sustainable, smaller government. You might could call them socially conservative and be close to the mark, but I think socially backward is more accurate. These guys are radicals. They want to shake up the establishment and facilitate even more accumulation of the wealth among the top 2%-5% of the population. It's obvious that balancing a budget is lower on their priorities list than breaks and benefits targeting the rich. Calling these jackals conservatives perpetuates the lie that their agenda is based on deliberate, tested policies that are well thought out. Call them the radical right. It's accurate.

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 1 year, 7 months ago

I want to live to see the day that the facist nazis try to arrest Federal officials for enforcing Federal law. That is when Koch Kansas becomes a renegade state. The very idea being presented that this will happen should give every resident pause as to the true nature of the bought and paid-for gevernent of Kansas, the Koch owed governer and legislature. This really is off the wall and any citizen that agrees with what is happening needs to study up on what happened in Germany in the 1030"s.

The facist nazis are among us and becoming more bold and brazn.

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Curveball 1 year, 7 months ago

II think that within 5 or 6 years the country will be governed by one political party, at least at the national level. The attitudes and politics of Kansas and all the other rural states really won't matter since they won't have any power. Sooner or later Kansas will fall in line with the other "Progressive" states. After that all power and policy platforms will belong to the liberals.

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fearthetaliban 1 year, 7 months ago

They just keep playing that fear card.

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