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Letter: Loss of trust

December 23, 2013

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To the editor:

While campaigning for the ACA, how many times did we hear President Obama declare that if you like your doctor or health care plan, you can keep it — Period! We have since discovered that this is not true. We are told the president misspoke. It is his bill, his signature accomplishment and his legacy. How could he have misspoken so many times? I believe that President Obama lied and deliberately deceived the American people in order to pass his health care plan. If Mr. Obama didn’t know, then neither is his ignorance understood or forgiven.

While I share President Obama’s desire that all Americans have adequate health care, his ACA was passed on a lie. The American justice system demands that it be declared fraudulent and therefore be repealed.

Where is the outrage from our media and elected government officials? When there were no weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq, George W. Bush was branded a liar. Do Democrats misspeak, but Republicans lie?

If a physician, lawyer, teacher, parent or any person of authority knowlingly lies, they forfeit their position of leadership. They can no longer be trusted. They must be reprimanded, prosecuted or forced to resign. How can our military leaders pledge loyalty to their commander in chief? How can our elected Democratic party officials condone this breach of honesty, decency and law? Doing the right thing in Washington has been replaced by doing the right thing for my party and me.

The American people do not like to be lied to, especially by our own president.

Comments

Bob Smith 1 year ago

He's not called the Father of Lies for nothing!

Julius Nolan 1 year ago

See what the latest talking point from Fox News today is the same old one as before. Liar, Liar , Liar. Repeat often enough, makes it a fact.

Fred Mertz 1 year ago

Julius, maybe it is a talking point but do you deny he lied?

Scott Burkhart 1 year ago

@ Julius Nolan - Do you mean, like, "If you like your health insurance plan, you can keep it. Period! If you like your doctor, you can keep them."

Did the president not repeat these two whoppers enough to make them fact? Is that where he went wrong? Is that how it's done? You repeat it enough and it comes true? Is that it?

Dan Klamet 1 year ago

Asterisk: You can keep your plan, unless it's irresponsibly and criminally misrepresented as being insurance when it's really just a tithing towards the actual cost of having an accident or severe illness.

Fred Mertz 1 year ago

Not true. Insurance is heavily regulated and maybe they weren't the best deal but they were not cancelled for being criminally misrepresented. If I am wrong paste a link to a source that proves you right

And are people better off buying bronze plans with a 4,000 deductible under The ACA? They have to pay 4 grand out of pocket before their insurance kicks in.

Seth Peterson 1 year ago

"Insurance is heavily regulated"

Hahahaha

Abdu Omar 1 year ago

I am tired of letters like this. I am sorry, but the benefits of the ACA are more important than just calling someone a liar and forgetting the act. Obama, or any president, sits down and writes a bill to put for congress. This is why he has a staff and perhaps the staff told him that there was no way a person who loved their healthcare provider would lose it. Also, remember, that the Republicans in congress didn't come up with any plan at all so the plan implemented was the one a republican governor used in his state that works just fine.

Instead of blasting someone for their failures or imperfections, why don't we work to help create a better world for everyone. Fox News is notorious for being against anything Obama does even if they are wrong. The concept of divided government is good if the division is over facts not politics or opinion.

Fred Mertz 1 year ago

The Republicans were not allowed to be part of the bill drafting. The bill was ramrod died through Congress.

There are reports that many of the low cost plans (bronze plans) that people are purchasing are actually unaffordable. While the premiums are low they have very high deductibles 4,000+.

People do not understand the plans they are buying are not affordable despite the selling point that they are.

The bill was not well written and the law has been poorly implemented.

Scott Burkhart 1 year ago

@ Abdu Omar - You're tired of letters like this? Really? The problem was everyone needs a level of "healthcare," correct? This president and the Democrat party decided the way to do that was through Health "Insurance." Wrong. The system in place was not perfect and needed some fixes but it was at least a free market system, to an extent, that largely worked for 85% of the population. Now we have a government run system that is in chaos, that is the law of the land, and the president is ignoring his own law and trying to fix it by decree. That in and of itself is unconstitutional. Not to mention that everyone hates it. His political agenda all along was to move to single payer, government run healthcare. The type that is now despised in Great Britain.

Bryan Moore 1 year ago

Nice, You just invoked Politifacts Lie of the Year 2010:' A Government takeover of Healthcare' in decrying Politifacts Lie of the Year 2013! Well done sir! How is government doing anything but saying you can't run around with no insurance and then stick everyone else with the bill if you get in an accident? In fact it is a Republican idea! I liked it then and I still do now. That means I don't hate it, so you just lied saying "everyone hates it" (see how I did that and how easy it is to turn you into a liar, even though I know that is not what you really meant?). So what would be your idea about how to get the other 15% insured under the old system? Remember anything you say that doesn't work out exactly the way you say or want is a bold faced lie and an impeachable offense. Also of 14 countries surveyed by The Commonwealth Fund for satisfaction with national healthcare, the British were the most satisfied with their healthcare of all the populations surveyed. They were the most confident that in the event of illness, they would receive the best and most up-to-date treatment; and they were the least worried that their personal finances would prevent them from receiving proper treatment.

Beator 1 year ago

Like a used car salesman of yore, Obama sold the country an automobile, driven only on Sundays, by a little old lady.

Scott Burkhart 1 year ago

Great letter, Tom!! Keep it up, buddy! Absolutely spot on.

Fred Mertz 1 year ago

Funny how people will deny or defend Obama on lying and yet, it was named the biggest lie of the year by non-partisan Politifact.

Wayne Kerr 1 year ago

I guess to make some happy he should have said if your insurance meets the minimum requirements under the law you can keep it. All those people who are getting cancellation notices should be happy, they were paying for insurance with very little coverage. Yeah, the president lied, but the ACA is still better than the broken system we had before. If lying about people being able to keep a bad insurance policy is the worst thing he's done I think I can live with that. In my book he's still got a long way to go before he's able to top W for worst president ever.

Bart Johnson 1 year ago

"Bad insurance" and "little coverage" means cheap insurance. The "Affordable" Care Act's main effect has been to dramatically raise the price of health insurance. Not everyone wants or needs the kind of coverage that is being mandated.

I'm interested to know what criteria you use to determine that Obama has a "long way to go" to be worse than W. Mishandling of the economy? Failed legislation? Recklessly adding to the national debt? Engaging in unconstitutional foreign wars? It seems Obama is winning that race, in my opinion.

Fred Mertz 1 year ago

One of Obama's greatest failures is ignoring law and doing what he wants regardless of the law. He is not deporting illegal aliens despite the law requiring them to be deported. He is not enforcing drug laws, and he is not enforcing the employer mandate as required by his law.

Fred Mertz 1 year ago

Not to make some people happy, but to be honest with the American people.

Lying is a character flaw and the health insurance lie was not his first one.

Benghazi, Fort Hood workplace violence, Syria red line, you will be able to read a bill, I didn't know my uncle and on and on. Lots of lies.

Another lie and a big one is spying on foreign heads of state.

Bart Johnson 1 year ago

Obamacare is not about making health care affordable or helping people out. It's about making money for health insurance companies and growing the size and power of the State. It creates winners and losers among society, with the winners rabidly attacking anyone who criticizes the law. This is how the State, which is only a minority of the population, is able to control all the rest of us--divide and conquer.

Fred Mertz 1 year ago

Don't recall Carter lying.

Some might say Bush lied about WMDs but that can be disputed depending on how you look at it and the fact that Syria has chemical weapons which is where it was said that they went.

But other than WMD what else did Bush lie about?

Scott Burkhart 1 year ago

Your defense of his actions are to point at another's actions? That's the best you can do?

Fred Mertz 1 year ago

There were accusations about his national guard service but none were proven.

Besides WMD what lie did Bush tell about Iraq, not just an accusation, but a verifiable lie.

It has been proven beyond a doubt that Clinton lied and that Obama lied. What proven lie has Bush told? And please keep in mind I am not a Bush fan, but he didn't lie. He made mistakes and violated the Constitution but he didn't tell bold face lies.

Bryan Moore 1 year ago

You are not really serious are you? The "WMD" lie was not one lie but many. "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons." -- President Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in Cincinnati. "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." -- President Bush, Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address. "We have seen intelligence over many months that they have chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and that they're weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and control arrangements have been established." -- President Bush, Feb. 8, 2003, in a national radio address. "Yes, we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the UN prohibited." -- President Bush in remarks in Poland, published internationally June 1, 2003. And then there were the associated lies about Iraq. "We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases ... Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints." -- President Bush, Oct. 7, 2002 . "We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs [unmanned aerial vehicles] for missions targeting the United States." -- President Bush, Oct. 7. "This government does not torture people," -- President Bush Sept 2007 This does not even include the lies Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice were telling about Iraq. And then the lies on the way to the White House I'm against Nation Building. (repeated multiple times during the run up to the 2000 election) I was never arrested after 1972, Bush told Dallas Morning News in 1999 (he was arrested for DUI in 1976 in Maine)

Did Obama lie about "keeping your plan/doctor? Yes, but to say "He didn't lie" when talking about Bush is just selective memory. Also putting Clinton lying about sex between two consenting adults on par with lying us into war is just ridiculous.

Bart Johnson 1 year ago

The democratic system is set up to encourage lying. Honest people will never win elections against those who would say any lie to get elected. Those most willing to lie, cheat, steal or do whatever are those who get to the top in politics.

Julius Nolan 1 year ago

Guess the Fox News junkies are off work today web surfing and fuming about any and everything Obama.

Fred Mertz 1 year ago

I will say it is time to move on about Obama's lies and character flaws. It doesn't matter.

What matters is results or lack thereof of his policies and actions.

The next candidate needs to forget about blaming Obama and reminding us of his lies. They need to put forth a plan to unite the country, fix our economy, fix the ACA and get our spending under control in a sensible and fair way.

Julius Nolan 1 year ago

Problem is for the last 5+ years the GOP has refused any of Obama's ideas for solving these problems. Their stated objective is to simply oppose any and everything offered by his administration, even when they are based on GOP ideas.

Fred Mertz 1 year ago

So what? Blame the GOP all you want but it doesn't change the facts. Our country is not in good shape. Doesn't matter whose fault it is. What matters is we find a leader that has a plan to get our country back on the right track.

Blame Bush, Blame the GOP. Funny how he got the ACA through despite the GOP but they are able to block everything else. Denial that Obama is a failure.

Bob Smith 1 year ago

Not a single Republican in Congress voted for the ACA grand mess.

Joshua Cain 1 year ago

Well he did have a dem controlled congress for his first 2 years.

Joshua Cain 1 year ago

I could be mistaken but with the dem controlled congress there still was no budget passed. That should have been one of the first things done.

Beator 1 year ago

Congress is no longer needed with this president. Budgets no longer need passing. Regulations by fiat, are all the current president needs. His signature law, Obamacare, has been broken 10 to 15 times. This is one example of Congress no longer being needed.

1 year ago

Democrats had a 60 seat majority from September 24, 2009 thru February 4, 2010. 4 months; not 2 years.

If anyone cares to do the bare minimum of research, here's a definitive link: http://www.winningprogressive.org/president-obama-did-not-control-congress-for-two-years

Joshua Cain 1 year ago

The 111th congress from January 3, 2009 – January 3, 2011. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_Un...

That’s 2 years.

The article you linked talked about not having a filibuster proof 60 votes in the senate. According to the congressional record the 111th congress was a Democrat majority in both houses. The Senate president was Biden and the Speaker of the House was Pelosi. The leader of each chamber represents the dominant party.

Chris Ogle 1 year ago

Julius: This Obama quote is dated.... but hopefully you get my point.

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure.." Senator Obama 2006

1 year ago

While we've moved to the only blue county in the state, I see it will behoove us to remember that we're still in Kansas, Dorothy.

1 year ago

Q: Why was the Tin Woodsman hard to get along with?

A: Because he was heartless and he had an ax to grind.

James Canaday 12 months ago

We have since discovered that this is not true. We are told the president misspoke. It is his bill, his signature accomplishment and his legacy. How could he have misspoken so many times? I believe that President Obama lied and deliberately deceived the American people in order to pass his health care plan. If Mr. Obama didn’t know, then neither is his ignorance understood or forgiven.

*right on Tom. now word is that the dems are panicking about possibility of obama being impeached. invoking Fox News (the most popular cable news channel by far) is supposed to qualify (above) as a political argument, just shows how emptyheaded and out-of-ammo the left really is.

get rid of all of obamacare/the unaffordable care act. it is actually forcing docs to do worse care, spend less time with patients actually increasing the number of amerikans without medical insurance, , will dramatically exacerbate a doctor shortage. thus:

obama lied, and people will die.

11 months, 3 weeks ago

Okay, so Politifact named President Obama's statement, "If you like your plan you can keep it" lie of the year.

Is it still a "lie" if you had no idea that the insurance companies would renege on their agreements, betray you and rip the rug out from under people who had paid them premiums for years, just to spite the man who made it impossible for the companies to continue making obscene profits from people's misery? Is it still a lie when instead of the insurance companies bringing their plans up to specs for ACA they just cancelled them? Is it still a lie when you were sucker punched by the very Insurance companies who are gaining millions of new subscribers, just for political revenge?

OK, then if you still think it was a lie, all of you who believe you should get to keep your crappy policies without any of the benefits of ACA -- have at it.

In a very short time you will find yourself on the wrong side of history. Again.

Bart Johnson 11 months, 3 weeks ago

The ACA isn't like capitalism, which benefits everyone. Under the ACA there are winners and losers. It's nothing more than a forced transfer of wealth, like most other government programs. And of course when it fails, the free market will somehow be blamed.

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