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Kansas unemployment rate increases for third straight month

August 19, 2013

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— The seasonally adjusted unemployment rate in Kansas increased for the third straight month in July to 5.9 percent, which is the highest rate this year.

The rate has increased from May's 5.7 percent and June's 5.8 percent.

"Part of the reason of increases in the previous months was due to more individuals entering the labor force," said Kansas Department of Labor Secretary Lana Gordon.

The Labor Department reported that 800 private-sector jobs were gained over the month, and 23,300 over the year.

"The number of jobs created over the year is encouraging,” said Efua Afful, a labor economist with the department. “Over the month, the private sector gained some jobs but did not perform as well as expected," Afful said.

Three major industries reported over-the-month job losses. Government lost 18,900 jobs, principally seasonal at the local level; manufacturing lost 1,900 jobs; and the education and health services sector lost 800 jobs, the department reported.

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tolawdjk 1 year, 4 months ago

So what sector were these 800 created in?

chicago95 1 year, 4 months ago

How can anyone spin this report as anything other than pitiful? And if the rates are seasonally adjusted, why were losses affected by seasonal local government employment?

thinkagain 1 year, 4 months ago

What does this mean? "Part of the reason of increases in the previous months was due to more individuals entering the labor force," said Kansas Department of Labor Secretary Lana Gordon.

If there were more individuals entering the labor force, the unemployment rate would go down. Perhaps there needs to be more focus on the math skills of Kansas Department Secretaries.

chootspa 1 year, 4 months ago

It means that more people are seeking work, and the "job creators" aren't using those massive tax cuts to create positions for them. I wouldn't doubt it if some of the influx is coming from college-age kids who can't afford tuition anymore.

Jonathan Fox 1 year, 4 months ago

Those who aren't actively seeking employment are not counted as unemployed. This includes everyone from a stay at home parent to a student to someone who has just given up looking.

So an influx of people looking for work, aka individuals entering the labor force, raises the unemployment rate.

Lets not call into question KS Dept Secretaries math skills just because you don't understand how unemployment is calculated.

tomatogrower 1 year, 4 months ago

And yet during the beginning of summer in the past unemployment usually dropped, because of construction, roads and building.

Let's face it. Those tax cuts aren't trickling down into new jobs or higher wages. They are being kept. It didn't work before, why did Brownback think it would work again. It's a dead horse, for pete's sake.

Jayhawker07 1 year, 4 months ago

Fred,

How do they calculate this figure?

Is there a website that lists all the unemployed that are looking for jobs?

How many are not looking for jobs because the way the industry is, they always get layed off part of the year and get right back on as soon as there unemployment runs out.

Maybe unemployment is really being calculated by the actual number of unemployed recieving benifits? Who is keeping track? NSA? GSA? SSA? etc.

George_Braziller 1 year, 4 months ago

Hmmmmmmm. I'm thinking we're going to be hearing more of this in the next few months when the reality of Brownback's tax plan becomes apparent.. Gee, just didn't work out as well as we hoped.

"The number of jobs created over the year is encouraging,” said Efua Afful, a labor economist with the department. “Over the month, the private sector gained some jobs but did not perform as well as expected," Afful said.

Dan Rose 1 year, 4 months ago

It means more people (i.e. students, etc.) have made themselves available TO work, not that there were jobs that were filled. 800 new jobs created, no mention of vacant spots, but that's where the stats come from.

FYI

Steve Jacob 1 year, 4 months ago

While less government spending is fine, it results in people losing jobs. And the jobs cutting taxes create take a long time. The 1,900 manufacturing lost in an improving economy is not good.

orbiter 1 year, 4 months ago

Can't wait until Brownback opens those floodgates he's been designing for the economy! It's gonna be great!

seagull 1 year, 4 months ago

Can't wait to hear how Brownback spins this.

jafs 1 year, 4 months ago

I'm having a little trouble understanding the net effect of losing almost 19,000 jobs in one month.

Doesn't that cut into the overall job gains for the year? If you add up the gains and subtract the losses, you get 1700 net jobs gained over the last year, right?

If so, it's not much to be excited about, although it's better than net losses, of course.

Also, I wonder about people leaving KS - if we have a bunch of those, that will tend to decrease unemployment rates, but isn't necessarily an overall positive thing.

Patti Hadl 1 year, 4 months ago

So, tax cuts to KS Corporations aren't creating new jobs like Brownbackistan said they would?!?!?!?

Patti Hadl 1 year, 4 months ago

I guess all those newly unemployed Kansan's can pay the corporations share of income taxes which Brownback passed off as one of the best tax plans in the US. Kansans now pay the 6th highest tax rate in the Nation. Pitiful to say the least.

ChuckFInster 1 year, 4 months ago

While the economic whiz kids are attempting to show off their knowledge of the job market here are a couple facts. Current National Unemployment 7.4%. In a healthy economy the unemployment rate is around 5%. Here's a tricky question, which is closer to a healthy economy 5.9% or 7.4% ?

chootspa 1 year, 4 months ago

So why did the governor insist on this "shot of adrenaline to the heart" for the Kansas economy when it was doing relatively well (something we pointed out when the tax cuts were proposed)? And why didn't it work?

tomatogrower 1 year, 4 months ago

The Kansas economy didn't suffer as much in the recession, because we have had sensible leadership in the past. Brownback, like his buddy Kobach go around fixing things that are working just fine, and ruining them in the process. We need to vote out these people at the next election.

Sparko 1 year, 3 months ago

You win the thread. Absolutely correct. Brownback has made Kansas a complete joke. With guns.

elliottaw 1 year, 4 months ago

National the unemployment rate is going down, in Kansas it is going up

chicago95 1 year, 4 months ago

Chuck is correct about the state vs. national rate. The US BLS News Release is here: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/laus.nr0.htm . The BLS notes that Kansas' rate is statistically different from (and in this case, better than) the national rate.

(I always thought that 4% was the rate in a healthy economy, but no matter....)

Like most states, Kansas added jobs over the past year, but not enough to provide employment to all of the kids entering the job force for the first time. And then, there is the matter of the uncounted older, long-term unemployed who need to resume their job searches when the economy begins to improve.

The month-over-month losses of 1900 manufacturing jobs and 800 education and health services jobs are really going to hurt Kansas' future.

The policy debate is about whether Kansas (and the nation) are doing all they should to ease the hardship and encourage growth. The Laffer Curve has been thoroughly discredited, as far as I know, by real-world data (e.g., http://www.economicdynamics.org/meetpapers/2012/paper_78.pdf) and non-partisan theoretical modeling (e.g., http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/69xx/doc6908/12-01-10percenttaxcut.pdf). By what objective standard would you have us hold the Brownback administration accountable for its policies?

Sparko 1 year, 3 months ago

The last sentence is the key: Hold Brownback and the national party running the state accountable for their actions. A new concept I realize. Wonder how much air time the Koch's can buy to distract the public? The record for Brownback is dismal, and Kansas is behind the nation in a "recovery." Kansas' leading employer is social security.

CountyResident 1 year, 4 months ago

The national unemployment rate has improved in the last three months while Kansas has not.

Bob_Keeshan 1 year, 4 months ago

Kathleen Sebelius vs. Sam Brownback, all stats courtesy of Lana Gordon's Kansas Department of Labor Labor Information Center.

Comparing Sebelius in July, 2003 to Brownback in July, 2013:

Unemployed Kansans in Sebelius year 3, July -- 74,297 or 5.1%, approximately 7,400 fewer than one year before

Unemployed Kansans in Brownback year 3, July -- 87,423, or 5.9%, approximately 500 more than the year before.

Year to year job growth?

Sebelius -- 11,600 more jobs in July of year 3 than prior year

Brownback -- 3,500 more jobs in July of year 3 than prior year

Is that economic whiz kids enough? Somebody has created 8,000 fewer jobs than his Dem predecessor did.

Brownback likes to hang the phrase "The Lost Decade" on Sebelius. What does that make his 3 years in office?

ChuckFInster 1 year, 4 months ago

Laughable comparison. That was a decade and a recession ago.

Bob_Keeshan 1 year, 4 months ago

Tell you hero, he's the one who keeps saying he wants to be compared to his predecessor.

jhawkinsf 1 year, 4 months ago

Unemployment rose last month in 28 states, remained the same in 14 states and fell in 8 states. Kansas doesn't seem to be bucking any significant trend here.

But I'm sure there are a thousand different ways to look at the numbers, red states are doing this, blue states are doing that. Everyone can see what they want to see and ignore what they want to ignore.

skull 1 year, 4 months ago

How many of those states were given the "shot of adrenaline" we were promised?

jhawkinsf 1 year, 4 months ago

I suspect that given each state has a governor, and that each governor is a politician, and that all politicians are prone to hyperbole such that you mention, I'll go out on a limb and say all 50.

Let the spin begin.

question4u 1 year, 4 months ago

The only problem is that the hyperbole of this governor has led to gutting of funding for K-12 and higher education, highways, and health care. It has increased our sales tax and property taxes and eliminated tax credits for the poor.

But hey, what's wrong with a little hyperbole if it means that when it comes to state taxes business owners can get a free ride on the backs of their minimum wage employees? So the promised jobs haven't materialized yet; at least somebody is profiting.

jhawkinsf 1 year, 4 months ago

Good to know the other 49 states don't have issues to deal with. And their governors are pillars of truth and wisdom.

tomatogrower 1 year, 4 months ago

Stop the distracting tactics. We are talking about our state. Focus.

jhawkinsf 1 year, 3 months ago

We in Kansas don't live in a vacuum. Raise taxes too much and businesses go elsewhere. Lower the standard of education and people go elsewhere. I suppose you believe that if we simply raised the minimum wage to a million dollars an hour, we'd all be millionaires.

chootspa 1 year, 3 months ago

Nice strawman. Nobody said that. You're still trying to distract.

jhawkinsf 1 year, 3 months ago

Thank you. I guess I'd rather have a nice strawman than a not nice strawman.

But the fact remains that these stats come out every month for all 50 states. If Kansas, led by Borwnback, had Kansas moving in one direction, with the other 49 going someplace else, and with that someplace else being a better place, then all this criticism would be valid. But it's not. Kansas is going much the same way as the other 49 states.

Frankly, I think Brownback is a buffoon and have said so many times. But then I've lived in other states who have elected many a buffoon. We in Kansas have elected buffoons to be senators, as have other states. We've elected an odd lot to be President, all of us have. If you choose to narrow your focus to the buffoon in Topeka, be my guest. However, I feel no such compulsion. I'm perfectly willing to compare our buffoon to the buffoon in Sacramento and the buffoon in Albany. And all the buffoons in between as well as those permanently stationed in Washington, D.C.

chootspa 1 year, 3 months ago

Have all the other states had similar radical tax cuts with the promise that it would suddenly and magically create jobs? No? Then we are not like all the other states. We are a failed experiment lead by a buffoon, and as meager as our chances are, we still have more influence locally than we do nationally.

jhawkinsf 1 year, 3 months ago

That same report yesterday that had the unemployment rates also said that Texas had the most new jobs followed next by California. Hmmm., two states going in opposite directions when it comes to taxation, yet they're one and two in job creation. Maybe taxation doesn't have anything at all to do with job creation, making any and all politicians who say otherwise buffoons. But if you're saying that the Kansas experiment has failed, shall we follow Texas' lead? Somehow, chootspa, I don't see you leading the cheers for our next President, Rick Perry.

chootspa 1 year, 3 months ago

We're not talking about California or Texas. We're talking about Kansas, where the Brownbackbuffoon promised immediate economic growth through fool-hearty tax policy enacted through trickery - and did not deliver the promised jobs! growth! jobs! As far as I know, neither California nor Texas chose to suddenly cut their revenue by 1/3 without replacing it.

Brownback was a total fool for deciding to shift the tax base suddenly, radically, and without a full implementation plan in place. Like pretty much everything he's done in his radical agenda. He leaps first, based solely on ideology, and then has to spin his way out of the huge mess he's made.

PS - Perry will never be president. He's got too much competition from Chris Christie, Marco Rubio, and I forget the third one.

jhawkinsf 1 year, 3 months ago

I was joking when I said President Perry.

When you said "we're not talking about California or Texas ... ", actually, my first comment here mentioned all fifty states. So while perhaps you're not talking about other states, I wasn't limiting my comment to Kansas. Perhaps that's why there seems to be a failure to communicate.

chootspa 1 year, 3 months ago

No, there's a failure to communicate because you over generalized to try and make an "all politicians promise things they can't deliver and really don't influence" point that incorrectly answered the question of how many states promised a "shot of adrenaline."

Only one.

jhawkinsf 1 year, 3 months ago

You didn't really expect our governor to give a shot of adrenaline, now did you? I mean, not literally, not a real shot? You knew it was hyperbole when he said it, didn't you?

So saying that other governors use the same literary tactic wouldn't be such a stretch of the imagination, would it? Maybe not the same exact words, but the same tactic, the same exaggeration, the same political ploys. After all, every single governor is a politician and all politicians use those tactics.

You're a bright kid, chootspa. You knew all this already. What really troubles you is that you can't say for certain that the policies of this governor are what caused unemployment to go up last month in light of the fact that it went up in 28 states. Something else is probably in play. But you want to blame Brownback anyway. I think he's a terrible governor. And I think he should be blamed for the things he's done to this state and the things he's doing to this state. But last month's rise in unemployment isn't one of them, shot of adrenaline or not.

chootspa 1 year, 3 months ago

I did not ever say that Brownback caused the unemployment spike, no matter how much you want to make a strawman out of it. I said he didn't cause the unemployment rate go down. Big difference.

Where's the promised jobs monsoon he was just sooo sure was coming from this new tax code? Critics pointed out that to make up for the revenue he'd cut, the state economy would have had to be soaring at impossible rates. He was banking on the general federal economic recovery, which was already underway, to mask the fact that his tax policies had no immediate influence on the economy or jobs market. He was wrong. Other politicians over promise, but his was unique in being touted as the stupidest state plan from experts on both the left and the right. It provides no job creating incentive and encourages gaming the tax code. Terrible idea all around.

Will it have a long term downward impact? More than likely, but it is too soon to say for sure. It will definitely have an impact on our ability to educate our children and care for our elderly and disabled citizens.

Sparko 1 year, 3 months ago

Yay! The national GOP strategy to sabotage the economy is working! Yay!

JayhawkFan1985 1 year, 4 months ago

Brownbackinomics = FAILURE. Enough said.

JayhawkFan1985 1 year, 4 months ago

Where is our good friend from the Kansas policy institute to tell us just as Kevin bacon did in Animal House,"all is well...remain calm."

chootspa 1 year, 3 months ago

He's probably recovering from his ALEC convention hangover.

jafs 1 year, 3 months ago

You know, the Laffer curve doesn't mean what many think it means.

First, it's an idea for maximizing tax revenue, not stimulating growth - Laffer himself has said it doesn't do that.

Next, it postulates that there's an optimal point on the curve of tax rates at which tax revenue will be maximized, because if you raise rates above that point, it will discourage productivity. This is a common sense idea with some merit - imagine tax rates of 100%.

But, it's also common sense that lowering rates isn't always the way to go either - imagine a 0% tax rate, which would provide no tax revenue.

The real question is where the point is on the curve, and where we are relative to that.

Sparko 1 year, 3 months ago

With declining spending by the nation's largest economic engine--government--there is almost nowhere to go but down. And Republicans know this, but pretend otherwise. The House has been a disaster since 2010. A unmitigated disaster.

Sparko 1 year, 3 months ago

With declining spending by the nation's largest economic engine--government--there is almost nowhere to go but down. And Republicans know this, but pretend otherwise. The House has been a disaster since 2010. An unmitigated disaster.

Sherry Warren 1 year, 3 months ago

It sounds like they were fired not as a result of one of the richest nations on the planet trying to help people get healthcare, but because of someone's choice to not provide it for them. How much $$ do the folks at the top need, when others cannot get treated if they are sick?

ChuckFInster 1 year, 3 months ago

Currently the US ranks 7th among "richest nations" with a per capita income of $49,600. So to all the new elite out there earning over $49/k congrats you've made it ! (not)

chootspa 1 year, 3 months ago

You've made it to the middle quintile at that income level.

http://www2.ljworld.com/users/photos/2013/aug/20/260324

But guess where we rank in terms of health care expenses, including taxes? We're number one! We're number one!

Sherry Warren 1 year, 3 months ago

Top 10 when there are close to 200 nations still seems pretty high up there to me.

ChuckFInster 1 year, 3 months ago

You do realize 98% of those who lost their jobs were govt employees. Kinda shoots down the providing healthcare argument.

chootspa 1 year, 3 months ago

You do realize the other top ten provide some sort of universal health care, right?

ChuckFInster 1 year, 3 months ago

Please feel free to expand on the universal healthcare program in India.

chootspa 1 year, 3 months ago

As soon as they're one of the top ten richest countries in the world, sure. They've only got 120 countries to beat before they get on the list!

In_God_we_trust 1 year, 3 months ago

The entire nation is sick financially and with bad real unemployment. The State has little to do with a nation wide unemployment mess. It has more to do with the current administration in Washington D.C.

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