Archive for Tuesday, April 23, 2013

Letter: Dr. Brownback?

April 23, 2013


To the editor:

Great news! The State of Kansas no longer needs to fund medical education! It’s clear that our legislators and Gov. Brownback are much better informed than our doctors about women’s reproductive health and how to diagnose, treat and counsel women regarding their needs. I suggest that all women in Kansas, when they are ill or are concerned about their health in any way, call the governor’s office directly and ask to be seen by him, rather than making an appointment with a health care practitioner. I know I will.


Cait McKnelly 5 years, 1 month ago

What an appropriate screen name.
I think you managed to hit every religious right wingnut fallacy, "talking point" and conspiracy theory in under a hundred words and managed to throw in a Godwin for icing on the cake. Quite the accomplishment, actually.

Paul R Getto 5 years, 1 month ago

Relax. 31% Sam is following his jobs program.....for lawyers.

notsobright 5 years, 1 month ago

Interesting- I realize I am not so bright, but I did not know an ad hominem argument dismissed the actual claims. Perhaps some should use their doctoral prowess to actually research the claims. If they are not true- just dismiss them.
So- 1) Are we talking about the life of a child or not? 2) Did Margaret Sanger promote eugenics in her writings?
3) Did the Nazi regime incorporate Planned Parenthood polices in their public policy?

parrothead8 5 years, 1 month ago

Seeing as the letter didn't actually bring up any of those things, maybe we should focus on the point: that Kansas legislators seem to think they are better prepared to take care of a woman's body than the woman herself.

MarcoPogo 5 years, 1 month ago

Ah, so you admit that Han shot first!?!

jonas_opines 5 years, 1 month ago

Had clearly shot first. It was in the original novelization.

jonas_opines 5 years, 1 month ago

Ad Hominem? I think you're reaching a little.

You said a few things. They said those things weren't true. Their dismissal of your . . . claims (to use the word loosely), are backed by equal rigor as your claims are themselves. I.E. Minimalist.

Why would you expect them to make more effort in debunking your statements than you yourself are willing to put forth in making them?

voevoda 5 years, 1 month ago

Let's look at your logic, notsobright.

When we are talking about birth control and women's health--most of the services that Planned Parenthood provides-- no, we are not talking about the life of a child. We're not even talking about a zygote or an embryo.

Margaret Sanger, like many educated people of her day, accepted the notion of eugenics, and so she invoked it as one--but only one of many--reasons for birth control. Preventing the conception of children who would inherit serious genetic defects remains a legitimate use of birth control. The rest of the eugenics program was long since discarded by Planned Parenthood. So your attempt to discredit the Planned Parenthood organization of today by reference to Margaret Sanger's eugenics is the equivalent of trying to discredit the Constitution by reference to Thomas Jefferson's ownership of slaves.

While the Nazi regime was despicable, it does not follow that every policy the Nazi regime invoked was despicable. The Nazis developed highways, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't have highways.

If you don't approve of Planned Parenthood, notsobright, don't go to them for gynecological services. Don't donate to them. But don't try to rob women who depend on their services and have no other options of Planned Parenthood's help.

rtwngr 5 years, 1 month ago

Let's look at your convoluted logic voevoda. Most of the service provide by Planned Parenthood are not abortive services - by percentage. The bulk of the income generated by Planned Parenthood is abortive services, however. Killing a child is how they make their money. Planned Parenthood is so steeped in lies and subterfuge, I find it incredulous that a correctly thinking individual cannot see it without refusing to do so. They claim that the tax dollars they receive does not go to abortion which is mandated by law. The money goes into the coffers and becomes fungible. They are never held accountable. The Guttmacher Institute, at the time of Roe v. Wade outright lied before the court about statistics. This was admitted many years later by the leader of the organization who's name now escapes me. You weep and wail for women's health but I see no outcry from abortion advocates over Dr. Death Goswell of Philadelphia. Children born alive and then killed by this butcher. Live children delivered into toilets to be flushed to their death. Sorry, you have no moral high ground from which to preach on this subject. Don't bother telling men that they have no say in the matter. That's like saying if you're not an illegal alien then you have no say on the immigration bill.

voevoda 5 years, 1 month ago

Convoluted logic, rtwngr. You can't change the facts by lying about Planned Parenthood and the Guttmacher Institute. And your source for your contrary view? You can't even remember who told you this, much less figure out whether this person was knowledgable. Then you change the subject, to try to tar Planned Parenthood by connecting this reputable organization to the doctor in Philadelphia, as though all providers of abortions are equally irresponsible. You demand that Planned Parenthood make an "outcry," as though it bears some sort of special responsibility for Dr. Goswell. But they don't. It makes just as much sense--maybe more--to insist that every doctor personally denounce Dr. Goswell or face your condemnation.

If you don't approve of abortion, rtwngr, don't have one. But butt out of the most private, intimate health decisions of (other) women. You indeed have no say in someone else's health care decisions.

fiddleback 5 years, 1 month ago

Arguably the most extreme element of the legislation just signed, and what this letter partially alludes to, is the provision requiring doctors to recite junk science about the supposed correlation between abortion and breast cancer. Even those with pro-life beliefs ought to be able to acknowledge that this is goes far beyond any rationally defensible measure.

When legislators feel empowered to put words in doctor’s mouths, or when they seek to hold innocent partisan doctors who commit lies of omission about life-threatening conditions, they’ve clearly reached the point where the ends justify whatever means, a hallmark of fascism.

Adding ironic insult to injury, notsobright comes along invoking Hitler, not so as to identify these proto-fascists intent upon ruthlessly enshrining his belief system, but in order to slander their opposition and further enable them. Sickening.

Cait McKnelly 5 years, 1 month ago

This legislation will not hold up to judicial review. It violates the First Amendment right to free speech. In fact, the entire thing will in all likelihood go down in flames for Constitutional violations with the exception of the tax part of it and that only applies to state tax breaks that every other business gets and not Federal taxes.
Brownback wants to challenge Roe with this legislation in the hopes that it will be overturned. Not only do I think it's a vain hope, there's every possibility that it will effect all kinds of other TRAP legislation. He and his cohort, in the long run, may wish they had never gone this far.
The truth is that, although the Teapublicans may hold the hammer in Kansas, the RNC is falling apart at the national level. Between such things as introducing legislation to repeal the ACA on a daily basis until it is repealed (which was Republican written legislation to begin with), Mitch McConnell, the "Filibuster King", now being under an ethics investigation and Bats*** Bachmann acting like she's on drugs at an Intelligence Committee hearing, the Repubs are getting hit on a nearly basis. Oh, and let's not forget two Texas Senators begging on bent knees for FEMA aid to a town blown up by corporate greed when those same Senators voted against aid to the Northeast after Hurricane Sandy.
Add in that there are any number of very strong Democratic contenders to replace Obama when his second term ends while the GOP basically has nobody, and Kansas is in line to become totally marginalized along with just about all of the southern states. Heck, even Florida is starting to wake up (which is pretty startling until you realize that probably half the population of that state is on Social Security and Medicare and they see what the GOP is getting ready to try and do to THAT).
Anyway, good luck Guv'nor with your JESUS +Mary legislation. You're gonna need it.

jonas_opines 5 years, 1 month ago

It is becoming almost impossible to figure out what will be allowed to stay up and what will get taken down at this point. It's really rather aggravating.

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