Archive for Sunday, September 30, 2012

Business owners: Kansas lacks qualified workers

State economy ‘relatively flat,’ official says

September 30, 2012


MANHATTHAN — The state of the Kansas economy is mixed, with some sectors improving while others aren’t, business leaders and state officials are saying.

“The economy is still relatively flat,” said Stan Ahlerich, executive director of the Governor’s Council of Economic Advisors.

At the council’s meeting last week, Gov. Sam Brownback focused on some positives, saying the state “had good job creation last year” and “a nice run” of increasing economic indicators.

But the Kansas Index of Leading Indicators has been leveling since May and decreased slightly last month.

“We hope this is a temporary pause going forward and the upward trend continues,” said Inayat Noormohmad, an analyst with the Kansas Department of Labor.

And officials said the 16,800 private-sector jobs added between August 2011 and this August — a 1.5 percent gain — don’t cover the loss of 70,000 jobs during the recession.

“We still have a long climb back out,” Noormohmad said.

Not enough qualified workers

One of the most startling statistics about the Kansas economy is that building permits have decreased 24.8 percent between 2011 and 2012 while they have increased in the six-state region by 21 percent and nationally by 40.6 percent.

Ivan Crossland, chief executive officer of Crossland Construction, and a member of Brownback’s Council of Economic Advisors, said he thought the industry was in a wait-and-see mode until after the Nov. 6 general election.

He said there is a serious problem in finding qualified workers, such as mechanics and carpenters.

Representative of other sectors also complained about the lack of qualified workers, saying too many people can’t pass drug tests and background checks. Patti Bossert, also a member of the Economic Council and president of Key Staffing in Topeka, said she serves on a board within the Kansas Department of Labor that reviews appeals in unemployment compensation disputes.

Most of the people who are filing appeals “are not employable,” she said. She said they have been terminated for misconduct, including stealing and failing drug tests. Later, in an interview, she said her comments were meant to be general in nature.

Job vacancies rising

A recent survey by the Kansas Department of Labor said the state had 36,000 job vacancies in August, which represented a 17.3 percent increase since 2011. Of those vacancies, 71.4 percent required no education or just a high school diploma.

Several others on the council said they felt the economy was improving slowly or at least stabilizing.

David Coleal, a senior vice president with Spirit AeroSystems, said commercial aircraft manufacturing was in good shape, while general aviation aircraft remained far behind the performance of 2008.

“The fundamentals of the industry are solid,” he said.

Mollie Hale Carter, president of Sunflower Bank in Salina, said the banking sector was stable but smaller banks are suffering with the “regulatory environment.”

And officials said they were still awaiting data on the effects of the drought.


Enlightenment 5 years, 7 months ago

Have you noticed that many folks that complain about Pres. Obama and his inability to improve the economy are living in states with Rep. governors that are under performing adjacent states with Dem. leadership. Two examples include KS and WI.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 7 months ago

Psst, much of that 16 trillion dollars of debt was generated by the current regime.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 7 months ago

And if McCain/Palin had been elected instead, we'd have pretty much the same level of debt, and/or an even worse economic state than we currently have.

Maddy Griffin 5 years, 7 months ago

How you figure? The debt was at 10.4trillion when he took office, w3ithout the 2 wars in that budget.

headdoctor 5 years, 7 months ago

It would help snap, if you and the others here had an original thought in your head instead of regurgitated Fake News. I often wonder how you and the other so called right wing posters can keep posting this stuff without laughing yourselves to death. George W increased the debt 6.1 trillion dollars. So far in cleaning up the mess Obama has added 5.05 trillion dollars. If you want to look at percentages the worst offender was Reagan who with all the tax cuts etc. raised the National Debt 189%. When you consider what the dollar would buy then during Reagan's terms, what Obama has done is just chump change.

Keep in mind a good chunk of that 5 Trillion dollars was spent fooling around in two war fronts that started under Bush, bailing out our whole banking system, several large corporations and at the same time trying to create jobs and money movement in the economy.

Want to try saying again just how bad Obama has done with a straight face?

whateverittakes1 5 years, 7 months ago

With the help of the GOP trying to make him a one-term President, and the GOP has been trying to do this at the expense of millions of Americans who are still struggling.

tomatogrower 5 years, 7 months ago

Of course if SagenPage and Snap get their wish and Romney is elected, the debt he creates will be ok.

Kendall Simmons 5 years, 7 months ago


Romney has SAID he's going to "stop govment waste and cut taxes". But so what??? Talk is cheap. I recall, you've been complaining for a loooong time about Obama SAYING things like this.

And why on earth do you think that the economy is down because of "lifelong college students, dope smokers, free obuma phone users in Ohio and community organizers"? How silly.

Heck, have you even bothered reading Romney's 160 page "plan" on his website? Oh. Maybe you have...since you seen to think that his claiming that he's "going to stop govment waste and cut taxes" is an actual plan.

Details, sage, details. Romney doesn't ever give us details.

jafs 5 years, 7 months ago

Ryan just said that their plan is too complicated to give us the details.

Obviously the reason they don't provide details is that they don't want them analyzed, and found to be ineffective and problematic.

rtwngr 5 years, 7 months ago

That's a statistical lie. WI reversed its downward spiral into debt as has KS. Jobs are being created and will continue to do so as long as these governors exercise fiscal austerity. You need to check your facts.

riverdrifter 5 years, 7 months ago

“The economy is still relatively flat,” said Stan Ahlerich, executive director of the Governor’s Council of Economic Advisors."

Supply-sider cooking up excuses.

Try again.

jim7 5 years, 7 months ago

Ivan Crossland of Crossland construction can not hire gualified workers because he will not pay a decent wage to get skilled workers.There is a large supply of skilled construction workers in Kansas,but they will not work for contractors kike Crossland construction.

Thomas Bryce Jr. 5 years, 7 months ago

Skilled Trades wages have been stagnant for nearly 3 decades.The People at the Top made a conscious choice, years ago,that they Deserve more than the people around them. I am not sure what they based this decision on. An Idea will sit there on paper until someone makes it reality.For some reason, the Idea people think they are worth way more than the people that make the idea a reality. The middle class has been de-valued while the Top are now making more than they ever have before. It was their choice. This did not have to happen. Greed kept Trickle Down Economics from benefitting everyone. Corporate America is Directly responsible for the present situation we find our economy in. Until the Top realize they are undermining our entire economy because they believe they still don't have enough wealth, We all will suffer. The Top just won't suffer as much due to their sacked away riches. If the economy Really tanks, Billionaires will become millionaires and millionaires will become poor. Guess where that leaves all of us in the"Middle Class"?

costello 5 years, 7 months ago

So, the construction industry in Kansas is waiting to see what happens on Nov. 6 (although in the rest of the region and the nation it isn't), Kansas workers are unemployable because they're a bunch of druggies and thieves, and the banks in Kansas are overregulated?

billschwo 5 years, 7 months ago

Education that is what it is all about, we have been neglecting our education, cutting funds and teachers. Without education there will be no skilled labor. The Damn Republicans don't care about the future only their friends and pocket books.

Maddy Griffin 5 years, 7 months ago

Oh Sage. Cutting funds for education must be the solution. then.

tomatogrower 5 years, 7 months ago

There were several schools who had good carpentry programs and used to build and sell a house every year. But guess what got cut when the school's budgets were cut? You have no clue what goes on in schools do you Sagie?

Armstrong 5 years, 7 months ago

There were several schools who had good carpentry programs and used to build and sell a house every year

Really ? Name them.

Thomas Bryce Jr. 5 years, 7 months ago

Studio 804, Led by KU Architect and Professor Dan Rockhill at KU 2006. They won some National awards for their work on Urban Design, Specifically energy efficient home designs Built in KC. There are more years than 2006.There are several houses here in Lawrence built under the same program. Started around 1993. Google it

average 5 years, 7 months ago

The school district I knew best that had a 'build a house each year' program was the Larned KS USD. Died about the time of the No Child Left Behind emphasis on test scores.

Kendall Simmons 5 years, 7 months ago

Are you TRULY not aware of all the high school VoTech programs that have been cut???

Jeez, sage...why on earth don't you make ANY effort to do any actual fact-finding? We're talking about our future, for crying out loud. Stop acting like a frickin' herb.

Carol Bowen 5 years, 7 months ago

LHS cut back on votech because of the expense of equipment. And, it has been treated as a remedial program.

Steve Jacob 5 years, 7 months ago

As far as the banks, what did they expect? They loaned out money at 40X for every $1 in deposit and almost ruined our country. Your going to be more regulated after that.

tomatogrower 5 years, 7 months ago

Not to mention that we allowed banks to become investment banks, instead of them doing their jobs as banks. Why make house loans and small business loans, when you can invest in the stock market and make more money for your investors? It's a house of cards. We've allowed the stock market to run too much of our economy.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 7 months ago

This Brownback position is the way the GOP justifies it's reckless management of our economy. Never want to shoulder the blame for screwing up. This is an ALEC position. / .

Hey Sam Brownback the jobs are not here due to reckless republican decisions of which you took part. There are plenty of UNEMPLOYED yet qualified workers in Kansas. You are lying again.... "thou shall not tell a lie" .

Remember when Ronnie Reagan was strutting around asking "Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?"

These are not republicans they are frauds. How did Reagan/Bush and this new reckless bunch of ????? respond?

Mergers and Hostile Takeovers and Leveraged Buyouts all of which began the exodus of USA corporations and millions upon millions upon millions of USA jobs to the Chinese Communist government.

The reckless conservaties followed up with the Reagan/Bush Savings and Loan home loan scandal which killed the economy and cost the USA millions of jobs.

Bush/Cheney had to follow up with the Bush/Cheney Home Loan scandal killed the economy and cost the USA millions of jobs.

All of above Republican economics ultimately translate into millions upon millions upon millions of USA job losses. Big time layoffs are the end result. These jobs go abroad with tax codes that prevent taxation on profits made abroad from USA big name corporations.

There was a time when becoming employed by corporate America came with long term employment, fine wages and dependable retirement benefits. Those days are gone.

Patricia Davis 5 years, 7 months ago

You mean like Saddam has weapons of mass destruction. That worked out really well.

whateverittakes1 5 years, 7 months ago

Merrill speaks an inconvenient truth for you conservatives. Bush and Cheney killed the economy with their greedy, selfish policies, then put millions out of work. Their economy only works for the wealthy, everyone else be !@%^^.

whateverittakes1 5 years, 7 months ago

Nowadays, if you are over the age of 50, you will have to look for jobs three more months than younger applicants. Look at the number of people the state of Kansas just let go over the age of 50. I would like to see KOSE help these people file age discrimination complaints with the state of Kansas. I once worked for the state of Kansas. I look much younger than my age in the 50s, so when I was asked how old I was at a birthday celebration in the office, they were surprised to hear that I was 55 years old. After that, life was made very miserable for me by my supervisor and site director to try to get me to quit. When I wouldn't quit, they made untruthful comments and made up stories about how "bad" an employee I was, then replaced me with a 25 year old. I was told by the site administration that my profile was put on the state employment web so supervisors in other state agencies will know not to even interview me. There was NO misconduct! Putting my profile on the web to tell other agencies to not interview me was not only a violation of confidentiality since there was NO misconduct, but it was also a violation of a state statute forbidding blacklisting.

Kendall Simmons 5 years, 7 months ago

And what have you done about it? Legally? And what was the result?

whateverittakes1 5 years, 7 months ago

acornwebworks, that was about five years ago. I could not get any help from any state rep on either side of the isle. I had to move on and just find a job, and lucked into one fairly soon after losing that one. Kansas is one of the worst states, probably, when it comes to trying to get help when you have been wrongfully discharged AND blacklisted. Unless you have a little money, no one will help you. Also, blacklisting is a little hard to prove even when all the signs are there. You just have to hope that one of the employers with which you have applied, have the honesty and compassion to call your employer down on their attempt to blacklist you. All it takes is one "first degree" witness for a case like that. Surprisingly, Kansas is one of the states that rewards quadruple rewards to the wronged in blacklisting cases. This is probably because they are very hard to prove, even though probably not very rare at all since, there are at least two other times I know I was blacklisted. All the signs were there.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 7 months ago

In the end big debt and super duper bailouts HAVE BEEN the results which does not seem to bother Republicans, as long as they are in power. Neither do their Reckless Economic Entitlements.

In fact, by the time the second Bush left office, the national debt had grown to $12.1 trillion:

This ENTITLEMENT - Over half of that amount had been created by Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy.

This ENTITLEMENT - Another 30% of the national debt had been created by the tax cuts for the wealthy under Presidents Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

This ENTITLEMENT - Fully 81% of the national debt was created by just these three Republican Presidents.

This ENTITLEMENT - Starting in 2003, George W. Bush destroyed the world economy by encouraging U.S. banks to make loans to those who could not afford them, through schemes such as the "American Dream Down payment Initiative".

Also through the destruction of oversight, such as lawsuits to prevent state securities laws from being enforced on Bush's watch.

Once Bush's policies led to their inevitable result of economic collapse, the United States found itself in a situation where it had to take on debt in order to restore the economy.

whateverittakes1 5 years, 7 months ago

Conservatives better quit calling us liberals "entitlement-minded" because, as you stated, tax cuts are pretty much the entitlement of the wealthy. Conservatives pretty much black-mailed Obama in the 2010 election that they will not allow people to continue getting unemployment insurance they need if corporations and the wealthy can't have their tax cuts. I've known enough conservatives personally to see the trend. They like to hold you over the barrel for anything they want out of you. For all you conservatives out there, like it or not, Merrill is correct on all accounts.

In_God_we_trust 5 years, 7 months ago

Business owners and HR departments have created this unqualified employee situation by their new higher qualifications. If Business owners would hire people that CAN do the work (having the basic background), but lack training, and the business would provide the training that they need for that particular business position; the unemployment problem would go away. Employers and HR people think that by raising the bar, they all of a sudden get better people. But that is not true. They just exclude the people that can do the job, by throwing them away and causing them to be on unemployment longer than is needed. Employers need to provide training to help the country instead of stealing other employers talent at a higher cost. The "perfect fit" syndrome is the problem, not the answer.

tomatogrower 5 years, 7 months ago

Business wants government to provide the training, so they don't have to pay for it.

chootspa 5 years, 7 months ago

I'd be good with that, as long as businesses also paid taxes.

In_God_we_trust 5 years, 7 months ago

I will add to the above, that the training needed is not college class training in most cases, but on the job training that really doesn't prevent employee performance, but allows them to "grow" in the job and this causes employee satisfaction with the position. On the job training is what employers used to do when this country was successful, and prosperous and it kept unemployment low and profits and volume high.

Armstrong 5 years, 7 months ago

Sorry you are so unprepared for life. Fail to plan or plan to fail ?

tomatogrower 5 years, 7 months ago

So you agree that the government should pay for the job training? You think tax dollars should be spent subsidizing business? So you do like welfare. Just for rich people, though.
What about businesses personal responsibility? A person can't go out and train themselves to use power tools and to understand building specs. It used to be businesses had apprenticeships that would train workers on the job. Now they want the government to pay for the training, but please don't make them pay taxes for the training. They are such victims and just want government to bail them out.

Armstrong 5 years, 7 months ago

Are you really that clueless toamato ?

tomatogrower 5 years, 7 months ago

Then if businesses don't want to invest in training, and all you conservatives don't want to pay for schools to train the workforce, then who is suppose to train workers? It does cost money to train workers. Why are they whining about untrained workers in the state, when they could go out and hire the untrained workers and train them? Why do they want government to do it for them. That's the message I'm getting from these whiners. Some of my employees have to have had an education, but I've taken many and trained them myself. And when skills need to be updated and what they used to know becomes obsolete, I don't fire them and hire younger ones who have already gotten the training, I retrain my people. Businesses need to take responsibility to train their workers.

whateverittakes1 5 years, 7 months ago

Amen, tomatogrower, I wish more employers thought like you instead of throwing out their older, more experienced workers who can set the example for work ethic and help the new workers get up to speed faster. You sound like one of the very few employers who is not going to put an older worker out on the streets just because of their age.

Kendall Simmons 5 years, 7 months ago

No, they haven't. Are you seriously arguing that it's appropriate to expect, say, an auto shop to hire someone who they think "can" do the work and TRAIN them to be a mechanic???

This is the 21st century, for crying out loud. We're long past the days of "apprenticeships".

average 5 years, 7 months ago

No, we aren't past the days of 'apprenticeships'. Not in Germany. Not in Japan. Not in Korea. Not in any of the nations we consider competitors.

We don't consider a doctor directly out of college with an MD to be fully trained as a doctor. We have residencies. We don't consider a lawyer ready with a JD... they usually do a couple years in junior roles. True formal engineering shops have "EIT" designations.

School and certs do not replace on-the-job training. Never have. Never will. The theory that every company can have instant-expert-on-hire employees (poaching them from the other guy being cheaper than training) is a tragedy of the commons disaster.

Carol Bowen 5 years, 7 months ago

There a lot of European models that do this. Corporations spend a lot of effort with future employees - paid internships, cross training, unemployed assistance for 3 years. The European corporations believe that the care benefits the corp in the long run. That translates into a more social conscience than we experience here. U.S. corps want short term profits and do not plan for the future. Very short sighted.

whateverittakes1 5 years, 7 months ago

Europeans see the employee as family, U.S. Corporations see employees as tools to be thrown away just when they have the skills and experience to be truly useful. It is just that U.S. Corporations think people need to be put out to pasture at age 40, just when people have established a really good work ethic and expect to be paid for work done right the first time. They should be able to. I am certain that companies in Europe also welcome the over-50 job applicants much more than American companies. In the U.S., if you are an applicant over the age of 50, you might as well just shoot yourself because that is what they want you to do.

LogicMan 5 years, 7 months ago

Just wondering, for the long-term good of the county and KU.

Would it make sense for KU to start trade-preparation programs in skills needed by local and regional employers? Then offer minors in such to liberal arts students?

Carol Bowen 5 years, 7 months ago

No. There's a difference between a liberal arts or professional education and vocational education. We send way too many students to college, then we require degrees without reason.

Vocational training, at one time, commanded respect. Now, in schools, it is slighted and treated as a remedial program. We could be doing more to arrange long term internships, but corporations have to cooperate. And schools, need to change recruiting to include high talent students. Not all of the students want to live their lives in books. Sophisticated programs existed at one time, and we could do it again.

JackMcKee 5 years, 7 months ago

Why would a bright young person want to live in a state that embraces backward thinking and a far right wing ideology?

dinglesmith 5 years, 7 months ago

Is that the best you can do? Really? Tell me who we are trying to attract right now and how in the world becoming a right-wing theocracy is going to attract them. It's darn near impossible to get anyone to relocate here.

JackMcKee 5 years, 7 months ago

In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 7 months ago

The fewer republicans the more our properties will become worth and the more likely USA jobs will be reinvigorated.


Repubs fear a dramatically improved quality of life for all WOULD keep them out of control for decades….. we would hope.

Keep in mind a prospering america can overcome repub fear mongering... it must.

What is the repub party afraid? Why do they ALWAYS say no?

What do Repubs fear?

--- Fear a dramatically improved quality of life for all americans

--- Fear Jobs Jobs Jobs for americans

--- Fear New USA industry thus new wealth for america

--- Fear new cleaner energy sources because it would create so many new jobs and reduce rates across the board

--- Fear Medicare Single Payer Insurance for = huge tax dollar savings to government,public schools,small business and all of us in general. Single Payer Medicare is the answer.

--- Fear Clean Collar Industries which produce jobs that cannot be outsourced

--- Fear educated Americans because WE ask questions

--- Fear losing of tax incentives/tax breaks for the wealthy that actually create tax increases for entire spectrum of the middleclass

Armstrong 5 years, 7 months ago

The result of almost 4 years of nothing. Thanks Barry enjoy the private sector

James Nelson 5 years, 7 months ago

This article reflects one of the best examples of the fallacy of blindly following a politician and saying absolutely anything to support him, in this case Gov. Brownback.

Ivan Crossland, CEO of Crossland Construction and member of Brownbacks Council of Economic Advisors, said that he thought the construction industry in Kansas had adopted "...... a wait-and-see mode until after the Nov. 6 election." He appears to have subscribed to Brownback's belief that everything will be better when Obama is defeated in November. That is why he refuses to allow a finger to be lifted to prepare for Kansan's health care needs even though a federal deadline is fast approaching. No doubt Mr. Crossland believes that if Obama is defeated building permits will skyrocket. This statement was made in the article right after it was stated that permits were down in Kansas from 2011 to 2012 by 24.8% even though they were up in six states in our region by 21% and 40.6% nationally. Where was this guy coming from anyway? Did I miss something here or did Mr. Crossland's statement come across as ridiculously uninformed?

There is more as another member of Brownback's swift team of economic advisors also boobooed. Patti Bossert, a council member and president of Key Staffing of Topeka who serves on a Kansas Department of Labor board that reviews appeals in unemployment compensation disputes, made the statement that most people who file these appeals "...are not employable" because they were either druggies or had stolen from their employer. Way to go there, Patti. Now there is a fair minded person if I have ever seen one. Wouldn't you want her hearing your appeal for unemployment benefits? Surely such a fair minded person adds greatly to Brownback's team of economic advisors.

Its too bad Brownback cannot see fit to surround himself with educated people who can think for themselves and offer advice based upon a true understanding of the issue or problem. He only wants yes men (and women) who will always tell him what he wants to hear. That leaves only him to make every decision affecting Kansans. If you are lower or middle class Kansans you might as well drop your drawers and bend over because everything is your fault and Brownie is here to make you pay.

tomatogrower 5 years, 7 months ago

"...... a wait-and-see mode until after the Nov. 6 election." I think the wait and see attitude is lets slow things down as long as we can to make Obama look bad, so we can get our man elected. That's the only reason Congress hasn't fought everything. If Obama had put forth a bill that limited abortions, the Republicans would have suddenly become pro choice. After all that was their number 1 goal. Despite wars and recession, they only wanted to get rid of Obama. Even if it meant ruining the country.

Carol Bowen 5 years, 7 months ago

He's preparing excuses for his economic plan.

Slidell 5 years, 7 months ago

WOW, Ms. Bossert is so comfortable with passing judgment that she openly shares her slanted discriminating opinion with a reporter. How can this person fairly serve on a board that reviews unemployment disputes? How much financial hardship has Ms. Bossert created because she waved her wand of superior attitude? There should be an investigation or remove Patti Bossert from her board position. Ms. Bossert, you cannot generalize once you let your colors fly!

whateverittakes1 5 years, 7 months ago

Ms. Bossert, you cannot generalize once you let your colors fly!

Amen to that! Once it's out, and we know where you stand, with the employers whether they are in the right or not, whether they are even telling the truth or not, we know that if we are unfortunate enough to have you decide our fate, we will not get the unemployment benefits even if the employer lies to the point that logic is turned over on its head.

question4u 5 years, 7 months ago

"...Kansas...building permits have decreased 24.8 percent between 2011 and 2012 while they have increased in the six-state region by 21 percent and nationally by 40.6 percent."

Construction is occurring, just not in Kansas. That's OK though, because businesses like to move to states that are drastically below the national average in building permits issued. They also like states that lack qualified workers but won't invest in vocational education. Most of all, they love to move to states that are facing projected multi-billion dollar deficits in five years because of massive tax cuts.

After all, what business owner wouldn't want to pay millions to build new facilities in a state that is facing draconian cuts in funding for education, law enforcement, highways, and health care? For the moment they won't need to pay any state income tax, and when that $2.5 billion deficit hits the state in 2018 they can just leave their newly constructed facilities and move somewhere else. It makes so much sense that there's no way that construction won't be booming any day now.

Thomas Bryce Jr. 5 years, 7 months ago

News Flash! Headlines read - Kansas Residents: "Kansas Lacks Qualified Government Officials!"

tomatogrower 5 years, 7 months ago

Below are the reasons you won't be able to get unemployment if you are fired. You might file an appeal, but if Ms. Bossert is giving these people unemployment just because they filed an appeal, then she isn't doing her job. Is she saying that all who file for unemployment fit in this category? Is she saying that all these people will never be employable? Does she think that all charges against these people are always true, so they have no right to appeal?

Situations where you WILL NOT be able to get unemployment if you get fired from your job? You will not be able to collect unemployment if you are fired from your job because you did not do your job correctly, or to the standards set by your employer. You will not be able to collect unemployment if you are fired from your job because you were drunk, intoxicated, or using alcohol or drugs in the workplace. You will not be able to collect unemployment if you are fired from your job because you failed a drug test. You will not be able to collect unemployment if you are fired from your job because you were insubordinate. You will not be able to collect unemployment if you are fired from your job because you violated company policy or the terms of your employment contract. You will not be able to collect unemployment if you are fired from your job because you were late for work or did not show up for a shift. You will not be able to collect unemployment if you are fired from your job because you were sleeping on the job. You will not be able to collect unemployment if you are fired from your job because you committed a crime on the job. You will not be able to collect unemployment if you are fired from your job because you stole money, goods, or property from your company or coworkers. You will not be able to collect unemployment if you are fired from your job because did not meet your sales or production quota. You will not be able to collect unemployment if you are fired from your job because did not know how to perform the requirements of your job. You will not be able to collect unemployment if you are fired from your job because you falsified your time card. You will not be able to collect unemployment if you are fired from your job because you lied on your job application or resume. You will not be able to collect unemployment if you are fired from your job because you were disruptive or hostile towards coworkers.

Thomas Bryce Jr. 5 years, 7 months ago

A simpler question would be what situations qualify for Unemployment benefits under this Administration? I am willing to bet it is a much shorter list.

whateverittakes1 5 years, 7 months ago

People who are laid off through no fault of their own are pretty much the only ones who get unemployment insurance. There are some ways in which you can receive unemployment insurance if you quit. One of the reasons is being under a hostile workplace situation and being able to prove it.

People, if you are not being treated fairly in a workplace, DOCUMENT IT! You need to state the date, time, what happened, and witnesses. Still, with the very pro-business judges in the state of Kansas deciding if you get unemployment insurance or not, even solid proof of being severely abused on a daily basis might not be good enough. Probably won't be long before employers are allowed to use bullwhips on employees the way the GOP is going.

Thomas Bryce Jr. 5 years, 7 months ago

I agree 100%. Documentation is essential. I then turn an incident report over to the firm my family retains. Hard to find one that does not have a Conflict of Interest with KU but they do exist. They tried to use my PTSD against me by provoking me into an altercation with a supervisor. They hoped I would turn Violent. I did not. It is not my nature. He is no longer with KU as is the same with the Director and the Asst. Director. The firm is my insurance in case they try to let me go for any reason. I can prove Hostile Work Environment many times over many years.

patkindle 5 years, 7 months ago

you would think these employers would love to hire some clown full of ENTITLEMENT with a history of being fired for drug use,

volunteer 5 years, 7 months ago

Patti Bossert of Key Staffing of Topeka sounds horrible. She would not not be selected for jury duty with that mindset and should not be among the panel deciding unemployment appeals.

JayhawkFan1985 5 years, 7 months ago

Sounds like bossert and Brownback agree with Romney about the 47%. I'm disgusted with the GOP.

whateverittakes1 5 years, 7 months ago

I have filed an appeal with unemployment insurance because my employer lied about the reason I was let go. I feel very offended by Ms. Bossert's comment that most of the people who appealed are unemployable. I have an excellent education, do not, and never did do drugs or alcohol, have a clean criminal record, have an excellent work ethic, I did my job, showed up everyday for work, didn't even miss very often due to illness, never stole from my employer, and was very often, first to arrive, last to leave each workday. I was, however, subjected to a hostile work environment that did not do favors to my physical or mental health, and I kept a journal. I am using the journal as part of my testimony to show that the very abusive, inflammatory method by which I was terminated was in following with the abuse I already had to put up with while working at this workplace. I was let go in a very sneaky way that was meant to get a reaction, but that reaction came about a minute AFTER I was let go, and I was simply threw something across the desk of the HR person. That was the reason my boss used to deny me unemployment insurance, but of course, she omitted telling unemployment insurance that happened a good minute and a half after I was told I was fired by not allowing me my job back on a very deliberately misunderstood point on the HR person's part. It is my great concern that the person who is going to decide if I get unemployment insurance will be so pro-business that they won't care that the employer lied and will lie again, and that it will be obvious. The person making the decision still won't care. It's OK for employers to lie to the unemployment insurance commission. My testimony is truthful, the employer's is not. The person who makes the decision in my case will not care if I end up homeless and freeze to death, or not. Oh well, if I die, abusive employers are "always" right after all, and it is just another dead slave that was "too old" to hire anyway.

Kendall Simmons 5 years, 7 months ago

Sorry, but you really should have given us details about your so-called hostile work environment so that we could see what you believe you faced on your job...and make our own decisions.

Instead, you bizarrely complain that it took you a whole 90 seconds before you threw something in anger upon being fired...and how "unfair" it was that your boss didn't mention that 90 second delay when denying your unemployment claim.

If your appeal is written based on what you've posted here, will be denied unemployment. But, like it or not, the only person responsible for that will be YOU.

Carol Bowen 5 years, 7 months ago

Whateverittakes1 has a point about stereotyping. Conservatives are stereotyping to invoke old ideas and emotions.

whateverittakes1 5 years, 7 months ago

Acornwebworks, I was no longer even an employee when the item was thrown so that put me out of the time jurisdiction of still being on the job. The boss cannot use the excuse that I threw something. I wasn't even an employee anymore when that happened. Apparently, it is OK with you that bosses can get away with lying to ruin our lives. They already have too much power over what happens to us, and they know that. Often, that power goes right to their heads, and they think that anything they do or say that is wrong or immoral is OK when they have power over others.

whateverittakes1 5 years, 7 months ago

The journal is part of my testimony. There is a lot more to itbut I won't go into on this board. I have shown the journal to several people including an attorney, and everyone said that there is a clear pattern of abuse.

Acornwebworks, you would feel the same way I do if you could put yourself in my shoes. I support myself, and have no breadwinning spouse to lean on.

notaubermime 5 years, 7 months ago

If this is true (I have no objective means of determining this), then I wish you the best of luck on your appeal. However, you should learn control over your temper. The situation you described is not a valid pretext to throw anything on your former HR person's desk. I would strongly suggest working on practicing patience and poise in stressful situations so that you can suppress such things in the future because losing your temper at a workplace does you no good.

Stuart Sweeney 5 years, 7 months ago

If this wasn't such a scab state we would have better unions, with apprenticeship programs to develop qualified workers. It is apparent the employersof Kansas and the state with its lack of funding for education are not going to step up the the plate. When people are undertrained you can pay them less and keep them beaten down in Brownbackistan!

patkindle 5 years, 7 months ago

life is not fair if you cannot play well with others, it is a shame but not your god given right to a job perhaps your mother loves you but no one else really cares

shotgun 5 years, 7 months ago

Kansas lacks skilled workers because as a state, it is not friendly to the worker! Wages for skilled labor suck in "Right to Work" Kansas. No thank you, Kansas, I'll continue to commute to Missouri and earn an additional $10 to $14 K annually. All of you smart conservatives, go ahead and blame it on whatever, truth is you are your beloved "kool aid" drinkers and you will never be as rich as your talking head Bill O.

getreal 5 years, 7 months ago

All I could think while reading this article is why would any business choose to locate here where we cut school funding and can't provide an educated workforce. We are behind in building permits because they are waiting on an election? Who are these people kidding? We are behind because nobody wants to build because people have serious doubts about moving here and people already here have serious doubts about remaining here. It is so sad to see the state of Kansas fall to the bottom. Even when these leaders are gone, it will take years to recover. They have ruined the quality of life in this state that brought people here in the first place.

concernedcitizen714 5 years, 7 months ago

It shouldn't surprise anyone that Ivan Crossland saying there's a shortage of skilled workers including mechanics and carpenters. Ivan Crossland Jr. runs Crossland Construction with his brothers. Ivan Crossland Jr. currently serves as vice president of the Kansas Chamber of Commerce and sits on its Board of Directors. Crossland also serves as president of the Chamber PAC. Chamber PAC supports and endorses state legislators and other candidates for state office who support the Kansas Chamber’s legislative agenda, which includes opposing state legislation increasing penalties or threatening the business licenses of employers who have intentionally hired illegal workers.

To me this is nothing less than Crossland being self serving. Anyone who works in the construction industry knows there are plenty of well qualified carpenters out-of-work. Crossland's problem is very few of them want to work for the meager wages Crossland is willing to pay. Why else does Crossland want to keep penalties low for businesses that intentionally hire undocumented workers? Do you think that Crossland wants to turn to subcontractors that hire undocumented workers to fill this so-called "shortage" of skilled workers?

In fact, they already have. Crossland subcontractor John Peoples Concrete, who worked on the 39Rainbow project across from KU Medical Center had dozens of wage claims filed against it. A number of those wage claims were filed by undocumented workers. And it is public record! You can see the wage claims yourself by going to .

mdlund0 5 years, 7 months ago

I take offense to the notion that there aren't enough qualified workers in Kansas. Pay a decent wage and you'll get a qualified worker. The most fundamental law of economics, supply and demand: the supply meets demand when the price is set at the right level... you demand qualified workers? PAY THE F**KING PRICE!

whateverittakes1 5 years, 7 months ago

I want to remind employers that there are plenty of qualified workers among those applicants aged 50 and over. What? You don't want to hire people "that old?" That is the group that has the knowledge, experience, AND work ethic. They are not likely to show up at work with nose rings or multi-colored mohawks. If they have a tattoo, it is usually hidden. I want to let employers know that older workers are NOT "damaged goods." A lot of the time, we are in better shape than the youngsters we all know you would rather hire, so saying we will raise your health insurance premiums is not necessarily true. We aren't even necessarily asking for a higher salary just because of our experience. We just want to work and make it at least to the current federal retirement age. Otherwise, if you turn us down because of age, you are kicking a lot of good work experience to the curb. In this relatively fascist state of Kansas, we all know that you consider us older workers as throwaways. You will be where we are someday if we are blocked at all turns in trying to improve our lot. Employers, HIRE OLDER WORKERS!!!! WE ARE THE QUALIFIED WORKERS YOU ARE LOOKING FOR!!! You are NOT going to find an 18-year old with 25 years of experience!! I'm telling you.

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