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Let it go

The efforts of some Kansas officials to belabor the issue of President Obama’s citizenship reflect poorly on the state.

September 17, 2012

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The issue of President Barack Obama’s citizenship has been settled, and the decision of Kansas officials to try to keep it alive was both a waste of time and an embarrassment to the state.

Last week, the State Objections Board heard several ballot challenges, including one from a Manhattan resident who claimed Obama was not eligible to be president because his father was from Kenya and not an American citizen. He based his claim that both of Obama’s parents had to be citizens in order for Obama to be a citizen on U.S. Supreme Court cases, some of them more than 100 years old.

The members of the state board are Secretary of State Kris Kobach, Attorney General Derek Schmidt and Lt. Gov. Jeff Colyer. The two attorneys on the board — Kobach and Schmidt — dismissed the legal basis for the claim saying the Manhattan resident was “trying to read too much into” the court cases.

At that point, it would have been logical to simply deny the objection and move on. Instead, the board decided to delay its decision until today while asking for additional documentation certifying Obama’s birth certificate. They indicated they wanted the state to have its own certified documents from the state of Hawaii. This is in spite of the fact that Obama already has made such a document public, and that the U.S. Supreme Court has refused to even hear an appeal challenging the president’s U.S. citizenship.

On Friday, the Manhattan man dropped his objection to Obama being on the state’s November ballot. Without the objection, Kobach said, there was no possibility the board would take Obama’s name off the ballot, but the board still would meet today to close the case and add whatever additional information is available to the record.

Hopefully, that is the end of this matter and state officials now can get on to more important business. Belaboring this issue only makes the state and some of its top elected officials look silly.

Comments

Richard Heckler 2 years, 3 months ago

How many got duped into believing they had voted republican when voting for Sam Brownback?

What's missing is the fiscal conservative side and respect for the office of the president.

Remember Sam Brownback was in the beltway when HIS party decided to put the best for America aside. The Brownback Party agenda of controlling the USA government with more big government and halting job growth and economic growth for America takes center stage.

What is the Sam Brownback Party? The Rt Wing Libertarian Neocon Fundamentalist Tea Party for Economic Terrorism posing as republicans. This party has a long term agenda that has killed approximately 20 million jobs and taken out the USA economy twice using big time fraud as the tools.

How do we know this? History provides the evidence that the Rt Wing Libertarian Neocon Fundamentalist Tea Party for Economic Terrorism posing as republicans cannot manage government or an economy.

Orwell 2 years, 3 months ago

See what happens when you cut mental health funding?

gbulldog 2 years, 3 months ago

See what happened when "do gooders" turned the mentally loose. Jail population increased and more begging on the street.

jafs 2 years, 3 months ago

That was Ronald Reagan who did that.

Richard Heckler 2 years, 3 months ago

Now for the history of the Rt Wing Libertarian Neocon Fundamentalist Tea Party for Economic Terrorism. This party began eliminating republicans in 1982 during the Reagan/Bush days. Now the Rt Wing Libertarian Neocon Fundamentalist Tea Party for Economic Terrorism is posing as republican.

In fact neither the USA nor Kansas can afford this reckless Sam Brownback party. The evidence is clear and concise.

This ENTITLEMENT - Bailing out The Reagan/Bush Savings and Loan Heist aka home loan scandal sent the economy out the window costing taxpayers many many $$ trillions (Cost taxpayers $1.4 trillion), Plus millions of jobs, loss of retirement plans and loss of medical insurance. http://rationalrevolution0.tripod.com/war/bush_family_and_the_s.htm

This ENTITLEMENT Bailing out the Bush/Cheney Home Loan Wall Street Bank Fraud cost consumers $ trillions, millions of jobs, loss of retirement plans and loss of medical insurance. Exactly like the Reagan/Bush home loan scam. Déjà vu can we say. Yep seems to be a pattern. http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2009/0709macewan.html

This ENTITLEMENT - Bush/Cheney implied many financial institutions were at risk instead of only 3? One of the biggest lies perpetrated to American citizens. Where did this money go? Why were some banks forced to take bail out money? http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/10/good_billions_after_bad_one_year

Big debt and super duper bailouts HAVE BEEN the results which does not seem to bother the Rt Wing Libertarian Neocon Fundamentalist Tea Party for Economic Terrorism as long as they are in power.

In fact, by the time the second Bush left office, the national debt had grown to $12.1 trillion. This ENTITLEMENT represents over half the cost of Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy.

This ENTITLEMENT - Another 30% of the national debt had been created by the tax cuts for the wealthy under Presidents Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

This ENTITLEMENT - Fully 81% of the national debt was created by just these three Republican Presidents. http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2010/0111orr.html

beatrice 2 years, 3 months ago

I realize that when I see "SageonPage," it is only a matter of time before all posts under that name will no longer be available. We've seen it before. It is just a matter of time.

Carol Bowen 2 years, 3 months ago

Too late. This already made national news.

Peter Macfarlane 2 years, 3 months ago

Another blemish on the State's image courtesy of Republicans!

boystevie 2 years, 3 months ago

We should not let it go, because it can happen again. Kobach has been sucked into his own national ambitions and will continue to try and get his name in the national headlines regardless of the consequences to Kansas.

Bob Forer 2 years, 3 months ago

I don't doubt Kobach has national political ambitions. But like Brownie, they are a mere pipe dream.

Orwell 2 years, 3 months ago

Kobach's in it for the money. This gig is just polishing his resume'.

JohnBrown 2 years, 3 months ago

Actually, Merrill, the party that Brownback and Kobach belong to is the American Taliban. All Taliban, middle eastern or American, believe in big government running peoples lives and telling them how to behave. For example, the American Taliban want to put big government between a woman and her doctor; where as the middle eastern Taliban would simply have her stoned. The only difference is that the American Taliban say "do as we say or we'll jail you", whereas the middle eastern Taliban say "do as we say or we'll kill you".

JohnBrown

fiddleback 2 years, 3 months ago

The legal hearing in NJ offered no such determination on the online version; there was only admission that they forwent obtaining certified copies like Kobach is currently requesting. Have you ever written anything that doesn't reek of desperation?

bad_dog 2 years, 3 months ago

Thank goodness this post was more than 4-5 sentences long, because as some "sage" poster commented above: " It's buffoonery to think anyone reads any post over four or fives sentences."

Orwell 2 years, 3 months ago

Kirk Kwiz:

a. Delusional b. Racist c. a AND b

fiddleback 2 years, 3 months ago

"Hill admitted in open court something that no lawyer for the Obama campaign has ever admitted. Obama never furnished a true copy of his birth certificate to the New Jersey Secretary of State."

OMG –you mean they didn’t immediately furnish a certified hard copy to NJ’s SoS? What a bombshell! And by “deductive reasoning,” I assume you mean leaps of paranoia, i.e. no hard-copy provided = forged original. Too bad that Kobach and co. just acknowledged the authenticity of the certified copy sent from HI...

By the way, I don’t have to do anything to keep Obama in office; Romney and Ryan are doing that work for me. In fact, they’re so hapless that if I were of your unfortunate temperament, I’d accuse them of conspiring to ensure his victory. Enjoy those further adventures of chasing your tail; I’ll admit it has its amusing moments.

fiddleback 2 years, 3 months ago

And sorry to nit-pick, but their deeming the online .pdf insufficient and thereby irrelevant to the court is just a bit different than declaring it fraudulent. But all the better to underscore that you’ve apparently never met a self-serving lie that you didn’t hilariously trip all over yourself to embrace.

fiddleback 2 years, 3 months ago

Keep digging. I'm sure the pay dirt is down there...

Bob Forer 2 years, 3 months ago

Actually, sage needs to quit digging. Apparently he doesn't understand the Rule of the Hole, i.e., when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

Alyosha 2 years, 3 months ago

I'm looking forward to the American people rejecting Romney, SageonPage, and re-electing President Obama. I do worry about the extreme cognitive dissonance that that will likely cause for you and your belief system, when the majority of Americans affirm their preference for Obama and reject the positions / beliefs your comments represent.

What will you do when that happens?

C.D. Henning 2 years, 3 months ago

don't know. running out of old white guys fast.

Orwell 2 years, 3 months ago

Please do. We'll forward your mail.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 3 months ago

Actually, the great preponderance of evidence indicates that W was AWOL, and that there was a concerted coverup of any records when he was governor. And when he became president, that coverup continued. Part of that coverup was to set Rather up with some false documents and a fake witness.

Just another example of Rovian fascism.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 3 months ago

"Let it go Bozo, "

Tell that to Mrs. P. (I guess they haven't got the word in Linwood yet.)

Fred Whitehead Jr. 2 years, 3 months ago

The clueless, addled voters of Kansas in their slavish devotion to "God", Rush Limbaugh, and the tea bag party elected this total jerk to be their "Secretary of State" So far, Kobach has been employed by many states who want to enact his crusade to disenfranchise any voters who would have the temerity to vote Democratic. (Not, "Democrat", Fox News).

What we now have is a public official who devotes much of his time to this completely discredited Donald Trump crusade his elected office responsibilities notwithstanding.

So what recourse do we have? Are we constrained to pay this absentee employee who makes a mockery of issues that have already been completely settled by the U.S. Supreme Court? Do we have to endure his never-ending crusade to establish a facist party government in Kansas and ultamately in the United States.

We have seen this before. Are the citizens of Kansas going to continue to stand for this useless and lazy political wonk who seems to regard his responsibilities as secondary to preventing people from voting who disagree with the nominated national candidates? Can anyone get something started to remove this stain on our state?????????

fiddleback 2 years, 3 months ago

Maybe it’s overstating a silver lining, but I’m glad this happened as it did. Kansas has always been known for boorish zealotry, so what’s one more yokel added to that list? To me, it was worth it to see Kobach illustrate so clearly, as even the LJW will acknowledge, that his bitter partisanship trumps any basic logic. Afterall, any idiot could use the same outdated SCOTUS decisions to argue that Romney isn’t American as his father was born in Mexico, and could also then allege that his birth certificate was a forgery produced by some shadowy cabal to hide that Romney is, in fact, a (poorly-programmed) cyborg. Somehow I can’t quite imagine Kobach requesting a copy of that certificate from Michigan…esp. if it had been verified by previous courts.

Now we can view his brilliant immigration and voter ID legislation with a better understanding of just how color-blind and impartial that preeminent legal mind of Mr. Kobach’s really is…

yourworstnightmare 2 years, 3 months ago

"Belaboring this issue only makes the state and some of its top elected officials look silly."

Nail on the head.

headdoctor 2 years, 3 months ago

Since the time had already passed for objections and the fact that Obama has spent well over three years in office, the objection shouldn't have made it any farther than the trash can. If it would have been any other sort of objection to government circumstances and especially one that didn't include Obama that is where it would have been put in the beginning with no pomp and circumstance.

Armstrong 2 years, 3 months ago

It really makes no difference if Barry is on the ballot or not. History will remember Barry as a do nothing one term president.

fiddleback 2 years, 3 months ago

Do-nothing?? I thought he had destroyed the very fabric of our nation! As for one term, keep dreaming. Echoes of 2004 just keep getting louder...

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 3 months ago

I thought he'd be known as the Kenyan usurper president.

You guys should really settle on just one term of endearment. Otherwise, it's just so much crying of (dear) wolf.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 2 years, 3 months ago

"one term president"???? Don't get your hopes up, Romney is down by the head and sinking fast. Thank goodness!! I can hardley wait for the debates.

Armstrong 2 years, 3 months ago

If Barry wins I will help prop him up for the rest of his term. Agnostick feel free to note and date this post

Scott Tichenor 2 years, 3 months ago

And... coming down the home stretch it appears Kansas has taken the lead over South Carolina AND Arizona as the state with the most out-of-touch politicians in the United States. By the time Sam and Co. are done it won't even be a close race.

oldbaldguy 2 years, 3 months ago

Isn't this all a Mormon plot to implement polygamy across the nation? Remember the Mountain Meadow Massacre!

Kansas has always had its wacky politicians. Remember James Lane?

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 3 months ago

Get ready for more feces to come into violent contact with the rotating oscillator. Tim Huelskamp's remarks at the "Value Voters Summit" calling Planned Parenthood a "racist organization" and comparing abortion to slavery have hit the internet and have been rapidly picked up by the main stream media.
Is it me or are the voices really becoming just a bit shriller?

Orwell 2 years, 3 months ago

At least the voices in Huelskamp's head.

gbulldog 2 years, 3 months ago

What is worse is denying free speech. And then trying to destroy the person for doing free speech. Think Fred Phelps. Now think about the importance of a Free Press to this country. Would you publish anything negative about Obama it you had to put up with the mob that happened in Topeka (both outside and inside). Where are the legal experts on this issue.

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 3 months ago

No one denied anyone the right to free speech. Everyone has the right to free speech. Everyone also has the right to take responsibility for their free speech. The guarantee of "free speech" does not mean a guarantee to be free from the consequences of it.

gbulldog 2 years, 3 months ago

Nor does it justify mob action that requires the police to be called. Remember the Democratic covention in Chicago or were you too young to remember. An look were this mob action can lead too. AKA Muslims protesting a film. So does that mean that radicale Muslims should not be held accoutable because a Christian made a film.

repaste 2 years, 3 months ago

Free speech has many limits. Ever yell "Fire" in a movie theater?

JayCat_67 2 years, 3 months ago

"And then trying to destroy the person for doing free speech."

I knew better than to take this one seriously after this attempt at a sentence.

fiddleback 2 years, 3 months ago

"You lefties make lawrencians look bad."

As much as I hate to spoil an historically illiterate delusion, you may want to get some perspective before you accidentally create a black hole of irony...

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 3 months ago

Sorry. Mitt Romney's campaign is so dead the Mormons have baptized it.

Sharon Nottingham 2 years, 3 months ago

Common Sense, Brownback sucks and Obama will be re-elected. Try to come to terms with that.

gbulldog 2 years, 3 months ago

It is not over until the Electoral College votes. Whoever wins, I home this country can come together and develop resonable solutions. Because as the world wide economy worsens, incflation increases, and interest rates rise, we will see very tough times ahead no matter who is elected president. Both canidates will face to need to cut government, including social services, as it becomes tougher to borrow. Yes you can raise taxes on the "rich" but that will not generate enough money to resolve the crisis. Probably we will see a value added tax or an increase in fuel taxes and sin taxes. Hope that we do not end up paying 50% or more of our income in taxes. That is what taxpayers in several countries are not paying. And have you heard what happened in Greece when they tried to cut government spending.f

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 3 months ago

Your user name is a bit ironic as common sense seems to be a strangely lacking quality.

tbaker 2 years, 3 months ago

Its not where Mr. Obama was born that matters. It's where he lives now thats the problem.

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