Archive for Friday, September 14, 2012

Manhattan man drops challenge to Obama on state ballot

September 14, 2012, 2:15 p.m. Updated September 14, 2012, 4:19 p.m.


Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, center, questions Joe Montgomery, lower right, a Manhattan, Kan., resident, during a meeting of the State Objections Board, Thursday, Sept. 13, 2012, in Topeka, Kan. The board includes Kobach and, behind him, Attorney General Derek Schmidt and is reviewing Montgomery's objection to the state listing President Barack Obama on its November election ballot.

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, center, questions Joe Montgomery, lower right, a Manhattan, Kan., resident, during a meeting of the State Objections Board, Thursday, Sept. 13, 2012, in Topeka, Kan. The board includes Kobach and, behind him, Attorney General Derek Schmidt and is reviewing Montgomery's objection to the state listing President Barack Obama on its November election ballot.

— A Kansas man said Friday that he's dropping his objection to President Barack Obama being listed on the state's November ballot, a day after top officials delayed a decision on his challenge and said they wanted to gather additional information.

Joe Montgomery, a 51-year-old Manhattan resident, told the Kansas secretary of state's office in an email that he and those around him faced "animosity and intimidation" over his objection to Obama's candidacy for re-election. Montgomery argues that Obama is not eligible to serve as president and questions whether Obama has a valid birth certificate.

The notion that Obama was born anywhere other than in Hawaii has long been discredited, and the White House released his long-form birth certificate last year. Hawaii officials also have repeatedly confirmed his citizenship. His mother was a Kansas native.

The State Objections Board reviewed Montgomery's objection Thursday to the president's candidacy but postponed a decision so the secretary of state's office could obtain documents authenticating a copy of Obama's birth certificate from Hawaii that's available online. Secretary of State Kris Kobach serves as the board's chairman.

"There has been a great deal of animosity and intimidation directed not only at me, but at people around me, Montgomery wrote in his email, adding that he doesn't want to burden personal and professional associates with "more of this negative reaction."

Montgomery's plans to drop his challenge were first reported by the Manhattan Mercury. The Objections Board would be the final word on whether Obama appears on the ballot as the Democratic Party's nominee, absent a court challenge. Kobach and its other members, Attorney General Derek Schmidt and Lt. Gov. Jeff Colyer, are all Republicans, and Montgomery is a registered Republican, according the secretary of state's office.

Kobach said the board still will meet Monday to formally close the case and add whatever additional information is available to the record.

"There's no possibility of Obama's name coming off the ballot when there's no objection," Kobach said.

Montgomery not only questions the validity of Obama's birth certificate but also argues that he wouldn't be eligible to serve as president anyway because his father was from Kenya. That's another argument circulating on the Internet and among members of the so-called "birther" movement.

He did not immediately return a telephone message or email seeking further comment Friday.

Montgomery declined Thursday to disclose his employer, saying he'd filed the objection as a private citizen. But Kansas State University confirmed Friday that he works as the communications coordinator for its College of Veterinary Medicine, a position financed privately through its nonprofit, fundraising arm, the Kansas State University Foundation.

Jeff Morris, the university's vice president for communications and marketing, said that Montgomery is acting as a private citizen, and the university respects his free speech rights.

"We have people on campus with lots of different political views," he said.

Kobach and the other board members faced criticism for delaying a decision to reject Montgomery's objection. Kansas Democrats labeled it frivolous, and an attorney for Obama's campaign said in a letter that the allegations were "tired" and "utterly baseless."

But Kobach — who once suggested during his successful 2010 campaign that Obama would quell doubts about his status by releasing his long-form birth certificate — said Kansas law requires the board to hear all objections.


akuna 5 years ago

Good for him. Now the State only looks slightly foolish.

Frank Smith 5 years ago

It it's "slightly" foolish looking, then Jimmy Hoffa, Sr., looks only "slightly" dead.

boystevie 5 years ago

Kobach is an embarrassment. BTW, Kris, it's PRESIDENT OBAMA, and will be until 12:01 p.m., January 20, 2017.

parrothead8 5 years ago

I think it was a pretty dumb thing for him to do, but your sentiment seems like a harsh penalty for him to pay.

Katara 5 years ago

No, the sensible penalty for him to pay would to be reimburse the taxpayers the money he caused to be wasted.

Harassing him will make his reimbursement more difficult as it could lead to him losing his paycheck. I want him to take the financial consequences for his actions, not cause him to completely lose his livelihood.

KS 5 years ago

KansasLiberal - you should run for office. You would fit right in with that bunch of ????

fiddleback 5 years ago

That's some outstanding moral high ground you've identified there.

grammarrodeo 5 years ago

Why is it that we're only embarrassed when it hits New York media? I'm embarrassed that Missouri gets to watch this nonsense in the Kansas City Star while gaining a sense of superiority over us. It's bad enough that hillbillies are calling us hillbillies.

Cait McKnelly 5 years ago

This is one of the best comments I've seen come out of this anywhere. I will be wandering around all day today muttering, "It's bad enough that hillbillies are calling us hillbillies." and chuckling to myself. Now, if I could just find a good substitute for Instant Ralston. They quit making it, you know.

Jerry Salisbury 5 years ago

The best comment on my Facebook post about this said that they wanted to disqualify Obama because his mother was born in Kansas

fancy80 5 years ago

Don't forget to add Sebelius to the list of embarrassing people from KS...

Cindy Wallace 5 years ago

It was on MSNBC yesterday afternoon! Please note, the article did not say that Kobach has dropped the investigation....the ball is already rolling! It is easy enough for "Joe" to drop his complaint, after the damage is done. Doesn't make him look any better in my eyes!

mdlund0 5 years ago

Agreed. How, exactly, does one file an objection with the State Objections Board? Is there a form to fill out? A fee to pay?

hcother 5 years ago

I talked to Brad Bryant. You have three days after the candidates are submitted to the state of Kansas... aka three days after each parties' official nominations. Missed it!

KS 5 years ago

Ask him! Maybe you can protest his name on the ballot.

Michael Rowland 5 years ago

At this point I think it's a little late to dispute Obama's eligibility.

naturalist 5 years ago

Probably due to all those emails that flooded his inbox this morning.

orbiter 5 years ago

"Manhattan resident Joe Montgomery told the secretary of state's office by email Friday that he and people around him have faced what he called "animosity" over his challenge to Obama's inclusion on the ballot."

--We already knew he was an Class-A Idiot, and now we know he is a spineless wuss chicken. A little "animosity" and he slinks away from what he views as "protecting the constitution". Embarrassing on so many levels.

Frederic Gutknecht IV 5 years ago

"Flight of the Wuss Chicken" ... I think I saw that movie.

Derek Neibarger 5 years ago

i guess republicans in Kansas figure the only way Romney can win is if he's the only choice on the ballot. clever...

Pastor_Bedtime 5 years ago

Send him the bill now. Oh and by the way, you've awakened a sleeping tiger.

ksjayhawk74 5 years ago

Does Kobach still think the objection is not frivolous?

parco814 5 years ago

Does Kobach still think? Has he ever done so? After all, he is one "law professor" whom Sarah Palin digs. Otherwise, she's dead set against those of that profession.

ksjayhawk74 5 years ago

He insulted our President. If you want to call him a God, go ahead.

Pastor_Bedtime 5 years ago

Hey Harley Guy ~ does Willard make you take off your biker chaps before you support him with your lip service? You gotta wear the uniform.

fiddleback 5 years ago

No, we don't burn and kill, though social conservatives have done that to us when we stood up for racial equality. Mr. Montgomery and his good 'ol boy ilk are on the wrong side of the border, historically speaking.

beatrice 5 years ago

Really? Hey blue, try pulling the head off a stuffed Jayhawk doll while attending a basketball game or tailgate party. You might find liberals and conservatives joining one another in the attack.

oh, and ... Hey blue!

Eric Rice 5 years ago

This guy has embarrassed our great state on the national front. Kobach has done the same. Shame on them.
He should pack up and move out of state and go somewhere all people are idiots like him.

fiddleback 5 years ago

He's already there; it's called Kansas...

Pastor_Bedtime 5 years ago

Collateral damage will take out Kobach now.

Jim Williamson 5 years ago

I'm also inclined to think that his employer, the Kansas State College of Agriculture and Applied Science, got a few e-mails and may have encouraged him to stop representing them in such a stellar and highly public manner.

KEITHMILES05 5 years ago

The guy is a grade 1 moron and should be embarassed and feel shame. Not only that he has brought great disrespectful and shame to our state. Hope he is happy with his few days of fame. Now, go back to your hurt feelings and think before you act next time.

Ronnie24 5 years ago

And enjoy your 15 min. of fame. Except its going to be more like 15 days or

mdlund0 5 years ago

How, exactly, does one file an objection with the State Objections Board? Is there a form to fill out? A fee to pay?

ksjayhawk74 5 years ago

No, we shouldn't continue to berate him. We have better things to do. Let it go now.

fiddleback 5 years ago

Since it hit the New York Times and the article mentions his position, I think he and KSU will be getting plenty of love letters without our help.

tomatogrower 5 years ago

He probably got some flak from some in the Republican party too. Many Republicans are even getting tired of these birthers.

voevoda 5 years ago

Who, exactly, showed Mr. Montgomery "animosity"? Maybe it was Republican officeholders; after all, they are the ones who found themselves in difficult straits because of him.

Cait McKnelly 5 years ago

Despite the fact that it didn't hit the national media until this morning, this has been all over the blogosphere, Facebook and Twitter for over 24 hours. (I first heard of it on Huffington Post at 5pm yesterday.) He is a state employee with a public e-mail address. I have no doubt whatsoever that he was e-mail bombed beyond belief. There is an unconfirmed rumor that the college's intranet system was even briefly brought down because of it. The fallout from this is going to be hellish for the college.

Teri Chambers 5 years ago

Using the address was a big mistake. KU has a specific policy about that and I bet KSU does too. He needed to use his own yahoo or gmail address.

verity 5 years ago

He may not have used his KSU email address. It took me about 13 seconds to find it.

There's no problem with using a .edu address for personal use. It's whether you're doing something on company time.

trinity 5 years ago

I'm thinking it goes beyond the "company time" issue; as a State employee myself, I've been told for 20+ years now that we must not use our work email for ANYTHING political. Period. I'm guessing that as this dolt works/worked for KSU-he's a State employee also?

TerryInSpringHill 5 years ago

all our ire should be directed at Kobach and others on the objections board for seriously considering this fools motion. I heard Kobach on the news this morning..What an embarrassment he is for the state of Kansas.

fiddleback 5 years ago

But all the better to further decrease his credibility. He's already seen as hateful towards Hispanics, and now he makes clear that redundant questioning of a black president's legitimacy is hardly "frivolous." Care to say anything about Native Americans or Japanese internment camps, Kris?

question4u 5 years ago

If Mr. Montgomery wants to argue that Obama is from Mars, he can do so. That's part of the democratic process. That process allows and should allow anyone to voice whatever opinion that he or she might have as long as doing so does not violate the law. On the other hand, the result of making accusations in the absence of evidence and in a vein that makes people question your sanity should involve personal embarrassment.

Mr. Montgomery may genuinely not understand how un-American it is to try to prevent free elections. He may have little knowledge of world political systems and may be easily duped. Kobach cannot plead ignorance however, nor can the other extremists on the State Objections Board. For those who don't pity him, Mr. Montgomery has been a comic interlude, but there's nothing funny about Kobach. How many times will he be allowed try to interfere with the free election process before Kansans begin to recognize how inconsistent his methods are with American ideals.

Kris Kobach: bringing Iranian style "democracy" to your doorstep.

kansanliz 5 years ago

If they had been foolish enough to remove the President from the ballot, a lot of Republicans would have stayed home (why bother since it's a done deal), and the Democrats would have been angry enough to come out in droves. We might even have managed to replace some of the neoCons with moderates. It could have been a win-win for liberals.

bad_dog 5 years ago

With any luck there will still be a large enough Dem presence at the polls to send strong message.

Tim Quest 5 years ago

Maybe he's just dropping his objection so he can file one against Mitt Romney, whose father was born in Mexico. Since, y'know, that was his objection to Obama.

msezdsit 5 years ago

"....he and people around him have faced what he called "animosity" over his challenge to Obama's inclusion on the ballot."

Well, they shouldn't have let him out of his cage without his meds.

blindrabbit 5 years ago

After the 'animosity", looking for solace and companionship, he headed back to the sheep barn at KSU!

headdoctor 5 years ago

He may be headed back to the sheep barn or perhaps will soon be looking into job opportunities elsewhere. Maybe Arizona or Nebraska.

blindrabbit 5 years ago

Kansas offers the following images as Governor Brownback seeks to increase tourism and possitive impressions of The State:

Kansas land of: Phelps, Brownback, Toto, Kobach, Tin Man, Owens, Galilee Swimmer, Land of Oz, Abrams, Dorothy, Klein, No Art Funding, C-Street Governor, Flat, Tornados, Goat Gland Doctor, "In Cold Blood", Featureless, Pompeo, Helicopter Alien Shooter, "What's the Matter With Kansas", Ball of Twine, Bigotedness, Yellow Brick Road, Munchkins, No National Parks, Carrie Nation, Voter Supression, Birthers, Coal Fired Power Plants, Repressed Thinkers, Killer of Knute Rockne, etc. etc.

We need some more good images to further ridicule us!

KS 5 years ago

I have read all of this crap from this point back and I must say, you guys are living up to your perceived reputation of Kansas. If you folks think this place stinks so much or is such an embarassment, why the heck don't you just move. You guys are the embarassment to Kansas.

fiddleback 5 years ago

Social liberals were a major force in founding this state, and we've maintained our progressive island through far worse trials than Phelps, Brownback, and Kobach. It's only natural to mock savage stupidity when you're outnumbered more than 2-1 but have no intentions of moving.

yourworstnightmare 5 years ago

How embarrassing for Colyer, Schmidt, and Kobach.

They are a disgrace to their offices.

buffalo63 5 years ago

Don't you think if there was any shread of truth that Obama WASN'T born in the US, that those in the Republican House and Senate would have already gotten him out of office; or do those birthers not have any faith in their party leadership? Or are they too busy planning how to go against everything Obama does, even when it was their idea in the first place.

SnakeFist 5 years ago

I agree. It seems incredibly arrogant of this guy to think he knew something nobody else knew, and, therefore, he needed to be the one to raise an objective.

fiddleback 5 years ago

But, like, there comes a time in every man's life, when, like Joe says, you gotta "uphold the rule of law." For me, it was rubbing my cat's nose in the litterbox when she refused to pee where my law had commanded...

For Joe, that time came when a Kenyan was accidentally elected president, but everybody else was just too timid and polite to tell him he wasn't really American. So then they all just cut 'n'run, but that's when ol' Joe rolled up his sleeves. Like the man said, "Somebody has to do it."

That is, unless you're gonna be all mean to him and stuff, in which case, FORGET IT, AMERICA!

[slams porch door]

KS 5 years ago

Just because someone might be a "birther", does not mean they are a Republican. Gezz, logic really is dead. Please tell me you did not go to KU!

Frederic Gutknecht IV 5 years ago

That's true. It would simply mean that they are ridiculous. EVERY "birther" is ridiculous...even if they are right!~) The US left its borders many decades ago. It is now an international corporation. If you don't believe THAT, then you are ridiculous.

Maddy Griffin 5 years ago

Why ANYONE gave this guy any time or energy I will never understand. It's not like Obama has any chance of taking the Kansas electorate anyway.

beatrice 5 years ago

Better headline: Birther Aborts Challenge

fiddleback 5 years ago

Birther Aborts Impending Miscarriage of Justice.

alternate: Savant Kindergartner Explains to Kansas Veterinary College Staff that Hawaii Joined Union in 1959.

chootspa 5 years ago

I'm sure it's a deeply personal matter, and unless you're in his shoes, you really can't judge him for making such a sensitive, personal choice not to continue gestating his complaint.

Corey Williams 5 years ago

If it was a "...deeply personal matter..." then why did he bring it out in public?

fiddleback 5 years ago

Chootspa, from what I understanding from doctors, if it’s a legitimate mind rape, the would-be birther's brain has ways to try to shut that whole thing down...

So the conception of this complaint proves that it wasn't really mind rape, and Joe actually enjoyed the cranial intercourse...

So, all the more reason that he has no right to abort the complaint. Sure, perhaps it would have resulted in a miscarriage of justice, but it should all be left in God's hands. You see, both the complaint and Joe's raped brain really belong to God.

fiddleback 5 years ago

Okay, I misspoke; at the end, it should be Joe's promiscuous brain, since we agree it wasn't mind rape. And really, it's his own fault for going around temptin' us with that sexy haircut and big ol' pumpkin of a noggin...

Jerry Salisbury 5 years ago

And a thumbs-up gold star here too. Succinct and spot-on.

verity 5 years ago

I just signed a petition demanding that Mr Kobach investigate whether Mitt Romney is a unicorn.


beatrice 5 years ago

I want to see Mitt Romney's manufacturer's warranty.

Would Mitt need to be designed and built in the U.S. to be eligible for the ballot? What if he was actually assembled in France by a U.S. corporation?

paulveer 5 years ago

ooh! the intellectual community chimes in.

Naithom 5 years ago

More than likely it was pointed out to him that if a registered copy of the birth certificate was given the seal of approval by the court, the birthers would have no further leg to stand on when it comes to denying his authenticity as the valid President. And they couldn't stand that.

This way they can claim that someone picked on them and they backed down. They would rather be seen as a coward who wouldn't stand up for the Constitution than admit that a black man was the legitimate president of the United States. That's a lot of bile to swallow for a bigot.

verity 5 years ago

You're assuming some kind of rational thought. The context would say otherwise.

cowboy 5 years ago

Brownhack will be po'd that Kohack backed down on this. Time for a purge of these "moderates". New AG to be The Right Reverend Bubba Flavel who will fit right in here.

pace 5 years ago

In my opinion, the birther nonsense was born in racism and steeped with stupidity. Can we get rid of Kobach and Brownback? I sure wish stupid was a reason for impeachment of a kansas governor.

Mike Ford 5 years ago

wow.....72 comments and none of our resident trolls showed up...... what do I smell.....fear.....fear.......fear......

deec 5 years ago

I'd guess they're busy getting their spin straight.

oldexbeat 5 years ago

Remember the plan -- make sure that the fundamentalists vote for the Mormon (real problem here folks if you totally believe that your bible is the FINAL word...etc., you know like the guys burning books here and embassies over there -- same minds)

and how do you do that -- just keep the drums of doubt and questions going, the 50 items lists cut and pasted all over the local angrry political boards, from blogs (probably professionally written in secret by Koch money) on President Obama being a socialist/african/muslim/muslim/did we say the S word yet? -- all immediately checked out as fake, of course -- just keep at it. The Fundies (funnydies?) have to vote for Mitt for him to win. And, yes, the racists -- but they aren't worried about that Mormon thing, and Mitt Romney ius glows white. Keep reminding, keep the big lie going. That's the Repub rightwing nut plan .

Pastor_Bedtime 5 years ago

You forgot gay. Some of these twits think Obama is gay too.

gbulldog 5 years ago

Under the Control Of George Soros

verity 5 years ago

What a choice---heretical Christian or Muslim? Really, I would think that they would stay home and not vote. I mean, after all, neither is a "real" Christian. How can they vote for either?

Thomas Bryce Jr. 5 years ago

Pathetic. Mr Montgomery brought the allegations but doesn't like the fact almost everyone disagrees with him. So, Now he plays the victim. Again I say Pathetic. If Mr. Montgomery thought this up all by himself and filed the objection all by himself, He has no one to blame but himself for the negative publicity he has received. If ,in fact, he was put up to this by people he knew, He might want to take a close look at this group of people he calls friends. Friends don't let friends do stupid things like this. If you want to play the blame game, Put the blame where it belongs: on you Mr. Montgomery! Also, I hope Mr. Montgomery did not use his work computer that belongs to his employer to do all this.HR has strict rules about using official networks for personal/political business. That issue should be looked into by his employer.

Michael LoBurgio 5 years ago

in manhattan EMAM means every mans a muslim!


John McCoy 5 years ago

From Texas: "Thank God for Kansas." Otherwise we would be the only totally stupid state.

MaggieC 5 years ago

Some people don't understand that just because they don't like something doesn't mean they have to take it away from everyone.

I don't like Chinese food. Do I have the right to demand all Chinese restaurants are shut down? No, that's nuts. This is no different.

It really, really makes me crazy that MY tax dollars funded this bullhockey. Clearly they don't have better things to do in Topeka.

james bush 5 years ago

Just vote Obama out in November!

paulveer 5 years ago

Yeah, that'll fix the problem with wack-os in Kansas!

gbulldog 5 years ago

Need a guranteed income in order to pay all the new taxes to pay for the new promises that I will never receive.

verity 5 years ago

No story yet about the petition to verify if Romney is a unicorn?

Talk about biased reporting.

Trumbull 5 years ago

Mitt Romney on the subject. He may be a closet birther:

chalice2 5 years ago

Romney a closet birther? Romney will do anything to appeal to the hateful and ignorant aging white bigots who make up the base of the Republican Party. Romney's heart is clearly devoid of any real commitment to anything.

Armstrong 5 years ago

Sage you underestimate the scope here. Barry is going to lose like that in almost every state. The experiment is over, it failed, it's done.

Jerry Salisbury 5 years ago

And still drinking the Mittwit/Dan Quayle Jr kool-aid apparently.

parco814 5 years ago

No, no one wins with this garbage going on. Some of us respect the President regardless of what party he or she is in, and I would've had the same reaction if some fool and his even more foolish enablers among elected officials had done it to a Republican President.

ksjayhawk74 5 years ago

Not according to any of the polls I've seen.

You go right ahead and keep supporting the mega-millionaire, job outsourcing pioneer who weasels out of taxes, gets a $77,000 tax credit for a show horse and has a car elevator in one of his houses.

beatrice 5 years ago

Obama won't win the White Supremacist vote either.

ksjayhawk74 5 years ago

Obama won't get the, people who don't understand what Communism is vote either

fiddleback 5 years ago

So, Sage, why don't you pick up the fallen banner, email Kobach, and take Joe's place as the objecting party in the meeting on Monday? You clearly have the passion and fearlessness to see this thing through!

parco814 5 years ago

Joe the Birther makes Joe the Plumber look like John Stuart Mill. Threw his little tantrum, got lots of attention, and as bad as he is, Kobach the Kretin and his Krew are worse, because they knew all along it was bogus but they couldn't resist another chance to try intimidating those who don't think like they do and belong to their pathetic party.

True to the script of rightwing victimization and whining, Joe dropped the charges because of "animosity and intimidation." Translation--people know a fool when they see one and some folks don't suffer fools gladly. Kansas Republicans rely on fools to make their careers and to make the state suffer.

I think Joe had an ulterior motive--he's so disenchanted with Mitt Romney that he had doubts that Mitt could carry KS, so he gave it a shot and tried to get the President removed from the ballot. So what if some KS military personnel wanted to vote for their Commander in Chief. Joe the Birther knows best. But, again, true to the rightwing script, he's a sniveling coward who can't take it when the going gets tough--when people call him out on being wrong, stupid, and damn near treasonous.

chalice2 5 years ago

Isn't it funny when hostile people, filled with their hate for our President, complain about meeting hostility? It's past time when this ridiculousness could be tolerated. I live in California now and I get so tired of hearing how backward my home state is. It's past time for Kansas to rediscover its humane and radical root commitments to freedom and open-mindedness.

parco814 5 years ago

Right now, they are behaving like the rats they are, trapped in their foul corner of a changing society and world. This hysteria will eventually, ahem, peter out, even though it won't completely disappear, and some semblance of maturity and reason will return. There are plenty of smart, compassionate, altruistic Kansans, despite what some folks on the west and east coasts want to believe about us. We just don't make the headlines. Yet.

Frederic Gutknecht IV 5 years ago

You're just one big steaming pile from a golden calf proclaiming false and ruthless Christian roots, aren't you?

blindrabbit 5 years ago

The only "light" Kansas has for the rest of the country is a dim 15 watt, illuminating Kansas as the "laughing stock" of the country. Sage is taking on this story by his lonesome, bringing up supposed birth certificates, Chicago bathhouses, Pot smoking in college (would be strange if he did not), botched college transcripts issues, what's next. Better come up with something better, your time is running out, only 52 days to Mitt making his concession call.

repaste 5 years ago

This comment will be re-posted by me in response to all your posts after 11/24. "Not worried in the least rabbit, your chosen Loser in Chief is the proverbial anvil to a drowning democrat party. we get the last laugh as this loser goes down in flames. BAHAHAHA."

blindrabbit 5 years ago

The only Baaa Baa, is the contentment that has returned to dilusional birther Montgomery after he spent a day in the sheep house in Manhattan. Party on!

Trumbull 5 years ago

Why are there not any Republicans criticizing the way this was handled by Kobach? Do we conclude that they are mostly birthers? Or simply dishonest enough to let this slide and not call this out for what it truly is?

fiddleback 5 years ago

Again, take Joe's place and adobt the objection in the concluding meeting on Monday. Let's see your research blow the lid off this sucker.

Frederic Gutknecht IV 5 years ago

Have you been sentenced to writing nary a sentence? Go do your homework, child.

Alyosha 5 years ago

Boy your ALL CAPS certainly are convincing! Who needs logic, accurate analysis, facts, and a decent respect for the opinions of mankind when all you have to do is hit caps-lock! Boy you're good!

blindrabbit 5 years ago

Sage: Since you dumped on California, how's life in your version of Disney's Fantasyland?

Cait McKnelly 5 years ago

That's because if they did, they would get the hell beat out of them and possibly die at the hands of the "good ol' boys". People "out there" still think gay bashing is an acceptable Saturday night drunk sport.

ksjayhawk74 5 years ago

This comment was removed by the site staff for violation of the usage agreement.

blindrabbit 5 years ago

Funny, you seem to be bitchin about Lawrence and KU all the time with all your defined perverted types residing here. One would think you pick a town like Hutch, Wichita or Manhattan to peddle you demented wares.

justoneperson 5 years ago

It seems that you have a mistaken perspective of free speech (at least as defined by the US Constitution and various Court cases). The Bill of Rights says "Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech." This was then extended to state governments via the 14th Amendment and various Court cases. A business is not the US Congress (or federal government), nor is it a state [or local] government.

You could purchase a domain name, and spew all the nonsense you desired.

However, a business is not as beholden to the 1st Amendment as you would like to think (see Lloyd Corp v. Tanner 1972 or Pruneyard Shopping Center v Robins 1980), it still has a right to exclude expressive conduct.

Alex Parker 5 years ago

Your comment was removed because you called the president a closeted homosexual, and the only purpose for posting something like is to troll, pure and simple. You can read all about me here: i was never a UDK editor.

Katara 5 years ago

Get a clue. SageonPage is trolling you too. It is what he does and if you ever bothered to learn of his history on LJW, you'd already have bounced him.

Katara 5 years ago

Try to keep up. Mr. Parker already told you the reason. Let me copy and paste it for you just in case you missed it.

"...the only purpose for posting something like is to troll, pure and simple."

Katara 5 years ago

This is the LJW's playground, not yours. They dictate the rules, not you. You can always start your own forum if you dislike how this one is run. There are plenty of free sites out there to get you started. It is similar to being self-published and you already know how easy that is.

Additionally, you wouldn't have an idea who the LJW monitors support politically. Your beliefs as to their political leanings are simply a product of your fevered imagination.

Alex Parker 5 years ago

If someone posted the same thing about Mitt Romney, I would remove it.

Pastor_Bedtime 5 years ago

Real source credibility there. WND and Corsi "aka Birther Central" make The Onion look like the New York Times. They dish it out and you lap it up without thinking. Good to see once again how out of touch you are. Shiny side out there ~ otherwise those commies hiding behind your bushes will get you even quicker.

Katara 5 years ago

Do you really believe he is serious in his posting? I've said before he is simply a caricature of a right winger and he is just doing this to jerk your chain. Why give him the satisfaction of replying to his nonsense?

blindrabbit 5 years ago

Sage, slow down, relax a bit. By the way the perverted Penn State is leading my Navy Midshipment on ABC, what's the world coming to. This can probaly be attributed to a Obama issue of some sort. Anchors aweigh!

Paulj 5 years ago

You know what really makes the Birther movement so stupid? If there was any truth in it at all, even a smidgen, Hillary would have brought it out 4 years ago.

Trumbull 5 years ago

The birther movement is really just throwing stuff at a wall. It is de-bunked each time, but they keep throwing it because they know there are enough people out there who will believe it.

Alex Parker 5 years ago

I'm not sure why you're being so combative. I explained why I removed your comment. The vast majority of the more than 550 comments you've left since late July remain.

Katara 5 years ago

Oh good Lord. You really are going to argue with this person?

justoneperson 5 years ago

It also seems you should update your definition of research...

Katara 5 years ago

Oh, Sage is just referring to whatever personal info on Mr. Parker he could dig up. Just like he's claimed to have done with every other moderator on LJW. It is so predictable it becomes comical.

headdoctor 5 years ago

I would bet that Mr. Parker will not be amused with the comedy once he figures out what he is really dealing with. Sageonpage is the poster child for why one should never ever use their real name, verified or otherwise on this forum. Being anonymous is the best way I know of avoiding that "Oh crap moment" in ones personal life.

beatrice 5 years ago

um... allow me to provide a clue as to why he is being so combative.

bscjhawk 5 years ago

I love the passion shown on this link. However, since we are from Kansas and have a very small population, do our votes really matter? We all should know that the big electoral college States decide the elections and we really don't count anyway. So why get so worked up? Kansas will always be rebuplican and the rest is just noise. Am I wrong for being so cynical?

Katara 5 years ago

Even the devil gets his day in court.

Cait McKnelly 5 years ago

This is SATIRE. Get it? Sarcasm at it's best. There's no truth to it so don't go pasting it around like it's for real and showing how gullible you can be and how afflicted by "sarchasm" (i.e. the distance between a piece of sarcasm and the ability of the person to "get it") you are.

That said, they are demanding the long form of the state constitution.

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