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‘Obamacare’ likely to be battle cry for conservatives

GOP candidates spend freely to get message against Democrats across

October 8, 2012

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— Democrats say that conservative Republican groups that helped defeat moderate Republican state legislators in the August primary by saying they were linked to President Barack Obama and “Obamacare” will do the same thing in the general election against Democrats in state legislative races.

Mailers produced by conservative groups have tried to link President Barack Obama to moderate Republican state Senate Republican Vicki Schmidt of Topeka. Schmidt was one of the few moderate Republicans to survive to GOP primary. Democratic legislative candidates expect the same treatment from the conservative groups in the general election.

Mailers produced by conservative groups have tried to link President Barack Obama to moderate Republican state Senate Republican Vicki Schmidt of Topeka. Schmidt was one of the few moderate Republicans to survive to GOP primary. Democratic legislative candidates expect the same treatment from the conservative groups in the general election.

The Republican Party primary was a free-for-all in spending by groups that operate independently from the candidates and those that provide issue ads.

“We have far exceeded this year what has occurred in prior years,” said Carol Williams, executive director of the Kansas Governmental Ethics Commission.

For example, the Kansas Chamber of Commerce political action committee spent $675,000 on behalf of conservative state Senate candidates for the primary. The Chamber’s ally Americans for Prosperity spent unknown amounts since it doesn’t have to report its expenditures because it is an issue advocacy group. Both AFP and the Chamber PAC are funded in part by Wichita-based Koch Industries, which is headed by billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch.

In some of their mailers, the moderate Republican state legislators were accused of being supporters of Obama and the Affordable Care Act, or “Obamacare.”

Jeff Glendening, a spokesman for the Chamber, said it was appropriate because some of the moderate Republicans supported increased spending and tax increases.

Asked whether the chamber planned the same strategy to defeat Democrats in the Nov. 6 general election, Glendening declined to say. But he noted, “He (Obama) is the leader of their party.”

House Minority Leader Paul Davis, D-Lawrence, said: “The misinformation that came out in the primary elections is undoubtedly going to be repeated again in the general election.”

The Kansas Legislature had nothing to do with the passage of Obamacare, since it was an act approved by Congress, signed into law by the president and ruled constitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court.

“The fact of the matter is, there isn’t a person in this building (the Kansas Statehouse) that is going to impact whether Obamacare goes forward or not, and the Republicans are simply trying to tie people to what they perceive to be an unpopular issue at the federal level and change the outcome of elections based on it,” Davis said.

During the Republican Party primary, several moderate Republican senators said they were leading in their races but in the final weeks were smeared by numerous slick campaign pieces mailed to their constituents day after day.

“If you have enough money, and come out totally negative and pound people and pound people, eventually it makes a difference,” said Senate President Steve Morris, R-Hugoton, who was defeated in the GOP primary by state Rep. Larry Powell, R-Garden City.

Morris felt the sting of Americans for Prosperity early on. An AFP postcard sent to voters in the western Kansas district, said, “Unhappy that Obama and five Supreme Court justices are forcing you to accept ObamaCare? Thank Steve Morris. He voted to restrict Kansans’ right to opt-out of ObamaCare if the law was upheld. Steve Morris’ vote prevented you from having the option to say NO to Obama’s radical agenda.”

During the last legislative session, Morris voted for a proposed constitutional amendment to be placed on the ballot that said Kansans could not be forced to buy insurance. The amendment was seen as a rebuke to Obamacare. But AFP criticized Morris for also voting for a provision that said if the Supreme Court had already upheld the constitutionality of Obamacare then the state constitutional amendment would not be submitted to voters. Supporters of that provision said it would have been a waste of money to have a ballot measure on Obamacare if the Supreme Court had already decided the issue.

With advance voting in the general election starting Oct. 17, candidates say they expect the onslaught of political mailers to start soon.

Of Democrats, Davis said, “We are going to try to stay focused on jobs, taxes, and education, the issues that we can really do something about here at the state Capitol.”

Comments

Mike1949 2 years, 2 months ago

I don't understand, with only a few exceptions, the Republican plan is exactly the same except the middle class will pay in twice they do now. The poor gets kicked to the side of the curb and told to stay there and die!

fiddleback 2 years, 2 months ago

Yes, and of course even the vilified IPAB aims to achieve new efficiencies just as conservatives would want, but they could only support such a board if a GOP administration had implemented it, and they could take the political credit. Otherwise, coming from a Democrat it must be labelled a socialist monstrosity, just like the rest of ACA...

A couple links: on why attacking Obamacare is really about politics rather than policy: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/opinion/sunday/why-obamacare-is-a-conservatives-dream.html

About whether Romney's plan really covers pre-existing conditions: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/05/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-his-health-care-plan-covers-pre-e/

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/05/opinion/krugman-romneys-sick-joke.html

question4u 2 years, 2 months ago

It doesn't take much to dupe the average Kansas voter. If you don't want people concentrating on the projected $2.5 billion state deficit and the impending massive cuts to state agencies that the Brownback administration has inflicted on Kansas then just rally around an issue that state legislators can't affect one way or the other. AFP and the Chamber PAC have little respect for the intelligence of the average Kansas voter, but unfortunately their opinion seems to be apt. Too many Kansas voters are pigeons ready and willing to be plucked, and they won't even understand why one day soon they'll wake up with no feathers.

Charles L Bloss Jr 2 years, 2 months ago

I am totally against Obamacare. I need medicare and it would be cut. In addition the "healthcare" law includes a 3.8% tax on all real estate transactions. What does that have to do with healthcare? What other surprises are in it? It is imperative that it is undone, and I strongly support doing just that. We seniors need medicare and social security, we do not need cuts to either. Both should be funded properly and enhanced.

jafs 2 years, 2 months ago

You really should educate yourself more on the ACA.

Medicare benefits will actually improve, as money being paid to insurance companies will be diverted to help close the prescription drug "donut hole" and help pay for free preventive care for seniors.

In addition, I've seen fact checking sites that debunk the real estate tax idea.

Think about what Romney/Ryan are saying about Medicare and Social Security, and try to analyze which would be better for seniors - Romney or Obama.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 2 months ago

It's one thing to be opposed to the real provisions of Obamacare, but Lynn is typical of most of those who oppose it-- she has absolutely no idea of the facts (which is what happens when you listen to Fox and Rush, and little else.)

jafs 2 years, 2 months ago

That's one of the most disturbing things to me about politics these days.

beatrice 2 years, 2 months ago

Complete rejection of the Affordable Care Act without reading it is also disturbing. Perhaps an amendment that all legislators be required to read all bills before voting on them is in order. That way, the legislators can be knowledgable about bills before they vote along strict party lines.

tomatogrower 2 years, 2 months ago

Jafs is right, Lynn731. Below is a link to a snopes.com debunking of this myth. The only people who would have to pay the tax are those making 200,000/individual or 250,000/couple who sell their home for over a $500,000 profit. Only the amount over the $500,000 profit is taxable. My husband and I almost approach the income figure, but if we could sell our modest home for over a $500,000 profit, we would gladly pay the 3.8% tax. In fact, I think the only people who would have to ever pay this tax are high end house flippers. And some of them are part of the reason the real estate bubble happened, so boohoo.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/realestate.asp

jafs 2 years, 2 months ago

Thanks - I knew it was something like that.

verity 2 years, 2 months ago

Wow, Lynn, talk about unbridled self-interest at the expense of others. Don't touch my Medicare, to hell with eveybody else.

And it seems you've been taken in by misinformation from those preying on those who don't do their research.

beatrice 2 years, 2 months ago

And one more thing Lynn, when Romney says he likes Big Bird, that doesn't actually mean he likes Big Bird.

Liberty275 2 years, 2 months ago

The hatred is running at about 48%, so that it amazes you is a little confusing.

Also if you think SPage is ignorant, I hope you realize a large portion of our population doesn't even know the names of the presidential candidates. He is at least engaged in the process. He may be wrong, but not ignorant.

Josh Brumm 2 years, 2 months ago

I dunno. "Remember the Alamo!" I think is still a more effective battle cry. I can't imagine anyone charging the enemy while yelling "Obamacare!"

skinny 2 years, 2 months ago

"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

verity 2 years, 2 months ago

Repeating this quote/sentiment endlessly does not make it anymore applicable to the subject at hand---and you've not attributed it.

You'd have to prove that half of all Americans think they should not have to work for this to make any sense at all. It's a pitiful attempt to insinuate something that isn't true, thereby manipulating people's opinions.

tomatogrower 2 years, 2 months ago

skinny, even Romney knows that the almost half who don't pay income taxes, but do pay all the other taxes either have jobs or are retired. If you aren't working, then you don't have to file any income tax form, and no one would know whether or not you paid tax.

You need to thank the people who don't make enough to pay taxes. Because of their lousy pay, you don't have to pay so much for that meal out. You're groceries are cheaper, because the checker doesn't make enough to pay income tax. You can buy all sorts of cheap stuff at WalMart, not just because of cheap Chinese labor, but because of cheap US labor. And thank those who did well enough to retire, because they opened up jobs for you.

The people in this country who are doing well, even though they were raised in poverty, did see what they had to do to better themselves. They worked hard. But there are fewer and fewer of these kinds of success stories. Poor people need public universities to get ahead. Ask yourself, who is trying to end public universities? Poor people need banks to borrow money to start a business, since they don't have rich parents to do that. Ask yourself - how many banks are now too involved with investment banking to make loans to small businesses? And then, ask yourself who wants to make sure banks stay that way, fighting Obama's regulations on banks? Ask yourself, which companies took jobs overseas, and then ask who was it that encouraged it, and who didn't vote for incentives to companies who create jobs in the US?

Enlightenment 2 years, 2 months ago

Sorry, but you're incorrect. Studies have been done to compare the US current care to that of socialized care and at best, the US matched the care in certain categories.

Trumbull 2 years, 2 months ago

I think the US did pretty good in things like The Revolutionary War, Writing the Constitution, WWII, Putting a man on the moon......things like that. I still think the postal service is pretty good. Have had some rough patches, but the US Government i still around.

Contrarily, private sector businesses usually don't last long.....even those which get off the ground. And companies like Enron are not really good examples if you want to choose a good private sector company.

tomatogrower 2 years, 2 months ago

When talking about privatization this is what you get.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/08/03/627471/private-prisons-spend-45-million-on-lobbying-rake-in-51-billion-for-immigrant-detention-alone/

Studies show that after adjusting for socio economic factors private schools don't to any better than public schools. Private school have the advantage of getting rid of any students who aren't doing the work, and parents who put their kids in private school obviously are involved in their student's education. Public schools have to take all comers.

After California deregulated electricity, all that "competition" raised prices through the roof, making a fortune for the investors.

Do I need to go on about the violations that the mercenaries at Blackwater have done? Do you really trust them? Do I want police paid for by tax dollars, or ones who will do whatever the person who pays them the most wants? What if it's that neighbor who has been threatening you? Would you want a private security guard like the one in Florida, following your son home?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/05/health/news-analysis-a-question-of-oversight-on-compounding-pharmacies.html?_r=0

Ask the people who got meningitis from the contaminated drugs put out by one of the pharmacies who don't have to follow all that horrible government regulations. Will their CEO's be arrested for manslaughter? Yes, the company will be sued, but they have committed a crime. They killed people. Shouldn't they go to prison? But they are good little capitalist who do things better than the government, aren't they?

JackMcKee 2 years, 2 months ago

What the hell do these idiots think they're going to do about the ACA in the KS legislature? Nothing.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 2 months ago

Maybe they'll barricade themselves in and break out in choruses of "Remember the Alamo!" as Josh alluded to above.

Liberty275 2 years, 2 months ago

They are going to keep Kansas red. They will do everything they can do get out from under the requirements of obamacare, and then when the poor find out their care under obamacare isn't that great, some will vote red instead of blue.

It's called making lemonade out of lemons.

jafs 2 years, 2 months ago

That's a self fulfilling prophecy.

If they get out of having to implement Obamacare, they can't blame it for the health care that poor folks get under it.

The better critique would be to fully implement it, and then criticize the outcomes - but that assumes the outcomes will be bad ones. If things improve, ...

Enlightenment 2 years, 2 months ago

I sure am tired of Romney and his ignorant supporters claiming the $716 billion cut to medicare claim. Obama is reallocating the money in health care, so it is not a true cut. Unlike the R/R team, which wants to flat out cut cost that will result in lost services.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 2 years, 2 months ago

How does it feel to live in a state where the govrener, legislature and most all other elected officials are bought and paid for by two billionaires??

Actually, I am amazed that this newssrag would even publish the remarks by Paul Davis, since the management of this republican trumpet section is so hidebound to advance the adgenda of the republican terrorist party and their tea bag soaked constituannts.

Repubpcan candidates for all offices are using the racist epithet "Obamacare" in their misleading and rancourous advertising. Most who claim they will "repeal Obamacare" actually have no say whatsoever in that decision, but stupid, clueless and dullard voters do not seem to make that connection.

Wanna know what the republican terrorists REALLY think and want to advance? Check out Akin over in Missouri with his anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-Medicare, anti-Socail security, anti-student loan program and generally any other beneficial programs that the republican terrorists view as "entitlements".

Liberty275 2 years, 2 months ago

"How does it feel to live in a state where the govrener, legislature and most all other elected officials are bought and paid for by two billionaires??"

Feels like I can still buy a 32 ounce coke and work without paying some union thug for his blessing. Things could be worse.

Enlightenment 2 years, 2 months ago

Also very tired of the ignorant opposition to the ACA. Too many people fail to realize the benefits significantly outweigh any negative attributes of the Act.

Can any of those opposed to the ACA present an argument against the ACA that is not rhetoric or politically biased, and support your claim with real data from a legitimate and unbiased source?

jafs 2 years, 2 months ago

I'm not necessarily "opposed" to the whole thing, but I see some real problems with it.

First, I don't like the "tax" for not buying health insurance - it seems like a "direct tax", which is unconstitutional - I know the SC said otherwise, but I don't always agree with them.

Next, it's very long and complicated, and all of the provisions won't even take effect for several years, so we won't be able to analyze how it works in practice for some time.

Also, I think there will probably be a number of unintended consequences, like employers dropping health coverage of their employees.

And, although some of the Medicare cuts aren't direct cuts in benefits, it seems to me that if they cut payments to providers, seniors may have a rather hard time finding those, unless they add some sort of requirement for doctors to accept Medicare patients.

It's also much too much of a giveaway to insurance companies for my taste - if we want to provide health care for more of our citizens, I'd prefer to see a more directly provided governmental system than this mishmash.

verity 2 years, 2 months ago

I don't think anyone see the ACA as being perfect, but think about how many of these questionable provisions got into the Act. And who, after they got their provisions in, then voted against it anyway.

Their battle cry is "Remember to bring down Obama even if we have to destroy our country to do so."

jafs 2 years, 2 months ago

I know - I was just responding to the question of legitimate criticisms of the ACA.

Perhaps the most telling one is that we won't even be able to correctly evaluate all of the effects for a number of years, so we won't know whether the positives outweigh the negatives or not for a long time.

That's because many of the provisions won't take effect for another few years. After that, we'd have to wait at least another few years after that to see what the effects are over time.

So, we can't say with any certainty whether the positives outweigh the negatives right now.

booyalab 2 years, 2 months ago

Yeah, too many people fail to realize all the benefits.....people like:

state governments http://reason.com/blog/2012/10/02/sorry-obamacare-most-state-governments-j

doctors http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/02/doctors-obamacare-romney_n_1932743.html

small business owners http://smallbusiness.forbes.com/small-business-interviews/connie-certusi-13745

But I'm sure if Obamacare is good enough for people who know nothing about the costs, it's good enough for the people we want to inconvenience for our benefit...right?

Liberty275 2 years, 2 months ago

" the benefits significantly outweigh any negative attributes of the Act. "

The US government can tax you for not buying something. You could save the lives of every American ten times and you still not outweigh the ethical bankruptcy of the government gaining that power over us. Americans are a dime per dozen. There is only one freedom.

I wouldn't object to Obamacare overall except the mandatory participation is not acceptable. I don't to throw grandma out the window, nor do I want to force a 25 year old into buying something he doesn't want.

I'd rather be taxed outright to pay for the uninsured than have a government that can force me to buy a product which I already buy twice as much as I need.

beatrice 2 years, 2 months ago

Wow, I agree with Constitutional_Malfeasance, whoever he may be. "Obamacare" and "Misinformation" DO go together. We have one, Obamacare, and we have the things Republicans are saying about it, Misinformation.

Trumbull 2 years, 2 months ago

I also wonder what deductions and credits are going to be eliminated. This is what Romney stated in the debate. Could they be mortgage interest deduction, child dependent deductions and exemptions, earned income credit? If so, this would surely be a significant increase for lower and middle class taxpayers. The R's need to be specific. I'm rather surprised Obama did not ask him during the debate. President Obama was not on. Not sure what was wrong.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 2 months ago

If Romney ever chose to be specific, he'd have to say that his plans can be boiled down to a few simple propositions-- more tax cuts for the wealthy, elimination of regulations not because they are ineffective or burdensome, but because that would create greater profits for the oligarchs whose corporations would not longer be held accountable for their actions, and a dramatic reduction in the social safety net that currently serves everyone but the 1%.

But that sort of honesty would not get him elected, so he'll continue to lie profusely.

verity 2 years, 2 months ago

One begins to wonder if either candidate really wants the job. Like George W Bush said, "It's hard being president."

beatrice 2 years, 2 months ago

I'll bet deductions on fancy dancing horses stay in place under a Romney tax plan.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 2 years, 2 months ago

You yonger members under 50 years might want to skip this one....

"New Romney"= "Old Goldwater".

(He used to be a senator from Arizona (where else??) who was ready to nuke the entire portion of the world that did not knuckle under to the U.S. policy.)

Liberty275 2 years, 2 months ago

Republicans can scream "Obamacare" until they turn blue in the face, but; until their candidate supports freedom from government interference in personal lives, I won't vote "R".

Re-elect Obama with your bigotry and god-given right to shove your nose in other people's business. Take the country down. I don't care.

KoolaidFree 2 years, 2 months ago

Why no mention of the 2 other large contributors - the KNEA and the Teamsters? Is it because you only want to report things that harm conservatives and make no mention of liberals doing the same exact thing?

What a hypocritical article.

beatrice 2 years, 2 months ago

Without going into your complete lack of support for you argument, you equate traffic to a website with donations. That is flawed logic right off the bat. People from around the world are indeed interested in the President of the United States of America, so it should come as no surprise that millions of people from around the world visit Obama's website. However, that does not mean people are donating to that site.

If a teacher ridiculed a student for wearing a Romney shirt, then that teacher should be let go. That is not a Democratic value. Now, if someone does something stupid who happens to be a Republican, would that individual represent all Republicans? For example, do all Republicans question the legitimacy of rapes akin to Akin?

If you are going to question the partisanship of a journalist for LJWorld, shouldn't you also point your umbrage at the extreme partisanship of its owner and editorialist? Or does it only bother you when someone appears to support the opposing side?

jafs 2 years, 2 months ago

A short google search should bring you some good fact checking sites which will detail Romney's lies.

They'll also detail Obama's lies and/or misrepresentations.

Enlightenment 2 years, 2 months ago

One Romney lie is that "his plan" will ALSO prevent insurance companies from denying service due to preexisting conditions.

Uhlrick_Hetfield_III 2 years, 2 months ago

This is the problem with electing extremists in either party, they provide a backlash that elects extremists in the other party. The Democratic Party needs to return to candidates like the Clintons who bring a more moderate approach to government and attract more independent voters. The only thing President Obama has achieved is providing fuel for the far right,

Enlightenment 2 years, 2 months ago

jafs made a good point earlier, many of the ACA provisions have yet to be implemented. So far it appears to be successful and will only improve over time.

PLEASE READ: This is a link to the timeline for the provisions of the ACA.

http://www.healthcare.gov/law/timeline/

jafs 2 years, 2 months ago

You can't possibly say it will improve over time - we just don't know that.

Only after it's been fully implemented for at least a few years will we know what the actual and comprehensive effects of it are, and only then can we adequately evaluate those.

Enlightenment 2 years, 2 months ago

jafs, "will only improve over time," meaning more services and benefits of the ACA will be implemented in the upcoming two years. In my opinion, it already is a success with the benefits already provided.

jafs 2 years, 2 months ago

Your conclusion is very premature, from my perspective.

Until all of the provisions have been enacted, and for a reasonable time period, we won't know how it all shakes out in practice.

Satirical 2 years, 2 months ago

If conservatives want all Americans to have shoes they seek ways for the free market and competition to bring costs down so that shoes are affordable to everyone. If liberals want all Americans to have shoes, they pass a thousand page bill (which no one reads before voting for it), which creates a new Department of Shoes.

If profit from insurance companies is so bad, why isn't profit in other sectors of the economy also bad? If government could provide superior services at a lower cost, we would all be communists.

Satirical 2 years, 2 months ago

Obamacare will be a reason some voters show up to the polls, but this election is really all about two competing economic theories -- hayek vs. keynes

Lucky for us there is a rap which makes this argument very clear... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERT...

Pastor_Bedtime 2 years, 2 months ago

Unlike what he stated, Romneycare's coverage for pre-existing conditions is zilch unless the patient recently had prior coverage. Did he lie, or is he just clueless? My guess is both. But remember: While Obmacare is bad and socialist, Romneycare is exactly what the country needs. In other words, flip-flip as often as necessary to get that vote. Any questions?

Satirical 2 years, 2 months ago

Pastor_Bedtime... "Romneycare's coverage for pre-existing conditions is zilch unless the patient had prior coverage. Did he lie, or is he just clueless?"

So, in other words Romney's plan does cover it, but you want to call him a liar?


"In other words, flip-flip as often as necessary to get that vote." - Pastor_Bedtime

I am sorry that Romney doesn't have horns growing out of his head and doesn't eat babies for breakfast as Team Obama wants you to believe, but after the debate the American people are seeing the truth. His position has been entirely consistent in regards to Healthcare: healthcare crafted by the States = Good; healthcare crafted by the Federal Government = Not Good. For some reason, you liberals don't understand Federalism.

Pastor_Bedtime 2 years, 2 months ago

Romneycare DOES NOT cover pre-existing conditions UNLESS the patient recently had prior coverage. For most folks with pre-existing conditions this means they're outta luck and WILL NOT be covered. And if it's socialist to provide such coverage on the federal level, then it's just as socialist at the state level. Playing both sides of the deck ~ a sign of flip-flopping desperation that you cons don't understand.

Satirical 2 years, 2 months ago

Pastor_Bedtime...

So what you are saying is that "Romneycare" DOES cover pre-existing conditions WHEN the patient switches to new insurer. Okay. I thought you were calling him a liar. Oh wait, you DID.

When did I, or Romeny, say it is socialist to provide healthcare coverage at the federal level? Are you arguing against a strawman again? What Romeny did say in the debate is that the 50 states are like 50 laboratories of democracy where each State can craft their own healthcare and the States which create great healthcare plans will be copied by other States. This is in stark contrast to a one size fits all, top down Federal government approach.

beatrice 2 years, 2 months ago

Doesn't grow horns -- that is just silly. What do you think he hides beneath that thick head of hair, more hair? Of course he grows horns! He just files them down before television events.

Seriously, Romney has flipped on numerous issues.

Satirical 2 years, 2 months ago

beatrice...

Those aren't horns, those are antenna!

I agree Romeny has changed his position on some issues, but since when is being open-minded such a cardinal sin? Didn't Obama change his position on same-sex marriage? Liberals would be singing his praises if he changed his position to a (more) liberal view.

Also, did you check out my link above to the Hayek vs. Keynes Rap? I think you will like it.

beatrice 2 years, 2 months ago

I admit, I didn't check out the link at first -- thanks for asking. That was great! Very funny.

Did you watch the credits? One of the "line producer's" name is "Brian Song." Parents apparently had a warped sense of humor.

I have to think that you don't truly believe Romney's changes in position are strictly out of being "open-minded." He is a politician. And if Obama thought that being for gay marriage might have cost him enough votes to lose reelection, I do believe he would still be against it. Since it seems to be roughly a push, he went with it. This is also why he will never, ever try to do anything to push for serious gun control -- it is a losing position and not popular with most Americans.

situveux1 2 years, 2 months ago

"Republicans are simply trying to tie people to what they perceive to be an unpopular issue at the federal level and change the outcome of elections based on it,” Davis said."

Uhhh, yea, that's politics...

tbaker 2 years, 2 months ago

From Andrew Sullivan:

Before the debate, Obama had a 51 - 43 lead; now, Romney has a 49 - 45 lead. That's a simply unprecedented reversal for a candidate in October. Before Obama had leads on every policy issue and personal characteristic; now Romney leads in almost all of them. Obama's performance gave Romney a 12 point swing! I repeat: a 12 point swing.

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/10/did-obama-just-throw-the-entire-election-away.html

jafs 2 years, 2 months ago

You must know that businesses have been doing just that for many years now, employing "part time" employees who work 30-35 hours/week, in order to avoid providing benefits to them.

That's not what Pelosi said - if you're going to quote her, please do it accurately.

Richard Heckler 2 years, 2 months ago

The medical insurance industry will dupe as many as possible as long as the industry exists... they have been doing it for decades. Yet consumers continue to worship the fraudulent industry...go figure,

Elected officials have no clue what the industry is doing.

Health insurers have forced consumers to pay billions of dollars in medical bills that the insurers themselves should have paid, according to a report released yesterday by the staff of the Senate Commerce Committee.

At a committee hearing yesterday, three health-care specialists testified that insurers go to great lengths to avoid responsibility for sick people, use deliberately incomprehensible documents to mislead consumers about their benefits, and sell "junk" policies that do not cover needed care. Rockefeller said he was exploring "why consumers get such a raw deal from their insurance companies."

The star witness at the hearing was a former public relations executive for major health insurers whose testimony boiled down to this: Don't trust the insurers.

"The industry and its backers are using fear tactics, as they did in 1994, to tar a transparent and accountable -- publicly accountable -- health-care option," said Wendell Potter, who until early last year was vice president for corporate communications at the big insurer Cigna.

Insurers make paperwork confusing because "they realize that people will just simply give up and not pursue it" if they think they have been shortchanged, Potter said.

More on this story: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/24/AR2009062401636.html

Richard Heckler 2 years, 2 months ago

Why is it acceptable that taxpayers pay for government employees but not acceptable for them to have their own medical insurance covered from the tax dollar pool?

Richard Heckler 2 years, 2 months ago

Consumers should have the opportunity to opt out from the medical insurance Industry in favor of Medicare Single Payer Insurance.

Face it most elected officials are afraid to cut off the medical insurance industry. It's the campaign dollars and shareholder dividends.

How to Strengthen Medicare Single Payer Insurance? Leave it alone. Then start by immediately allowing seniors to purchase pharmaceuticals through the VA system.

Next open Medicare Single Payer Insurance to all taxpayers and let them make the choice as we speak. Allow consumers the opportunity to switch on their terms. No arm twisting. If some consumers do not want to give up expensive coverage it’s their money. What could possibly be more American?

60% of insured are covered with taxes worth approximately $1.2 trillion tax dollars according to Physicians for a National Health Program. This $1.2 trillion is more than enough to provide insurance to all in the nation under Medicare Single Payer. http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-resources

Medicare Single Payer Insurance makes Americans more employable and opens doors for small business ventures. Opens doors for new industry.

What could possibly be more American? Providing Americans with the choice of Medicare Single Payer Insurance is the only equitable approach that includes all of us. No arm twisting.

Medicare Single Payer Insurance would save hundreds of billions annually by eliminating the high overhead and profits of the private health insurance industry and HMOs. http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-resources

Why not go into this matter that leaves the choice open to citizens. No arm twisting.

This program could commence almost immediately by consolidating all of the following into the program.

--- all disabled veterans

--- all government employees

What this approach does is provide veterans with more convenient choices for Medical care.

Face it Medicare Single Payer Insurance will dramatically reduce the cost of medical insurance to all governments and school districts.

Are Americans ready for Medicare Single Payer Insurance ? Of course.

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-resources Physicians for a National Health Program

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