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Letter to the Editor: Voting lesson

October 1, 2012

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To the editor:

We saw in the paper where Kids Voting will take place again in Lawrence. We hope, in true fashion, a voter ID will be required. This will make a great teaching moment for the children. After research, the children will quickly learn how one segment of the society is trying to bully another segment. They will learn that the voter ID law is just a way to cheat people out of their most sacred right: the right to vote.

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gbulldog 1 year, 6 months ago

Suggestion. Raise the penalty substantially on anyone who helps procure or participates in an illegal vote. If appealed, and voter fraud proven, person would be banned from entering the USA or territory for every or be subect to summary execution.

My right to vote is important to me. The illegal vote takes away my rights. So follow what our neighboring countries have done.

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Satirical 1 year, 6 months ago

Google, "free photo id kansas" and you get a bunch of information on House Bill No. 2067, where to get a free ID, how you can still cast a provisional ballot if you forget yoru photo ID, and exceptions to the photo ID rule, such as for people with permanent physical disabilities, etc.

My favorite was the third link down (PDF, so I can't copy and paste URL) from rockthevote. The facts blow out of the water most arguments by liberals.

No burden + lots of benefits = what should be an easy bi-partisan compromise (or did Pres. Obama make compromise a dirty word?)

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Armstrong 1 year, 6 months ago

Why is the left so wound up about the voter issue ? Per all the rants these last months the election is a slam dunk and locked up. Barry can run on his record of success and delivery of the promises he made the first time he ran. Right ! End the experiment, November - Mitt's turn

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Constitutional_Malfeasance 1 year, 6 months ago

I assume those who are opposed to ID vote never fly. Try clearing security with no ID.....good luck. The ID is a basic tool for every American. Why are so many against such a basic essential document? There has to be an underlying motive.

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Liberty275 1 year, 6 months ago

This is all a pretty good idea. Take your kid to vote - but take him to get an ID first. You can't withdraw money without ID, so they are going to need it anyway.

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observant 1 year, 6 months ago

And where is the voter fraud coming from? Check this link or simply run a google search, http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/editorial/bs-ed-voter-id-20121001,0,2723811.story

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 6 months ago

It's like a special voter ID cannot be reproduced counterfeit.

About voter fraud. In Florida voter fraud is turning up. All fingers are pointing at the RINO party. It must be taking place here under the exclusive direction of Kobach.

These RINO repubs destroy property values and voting rights. I say they must go to prison.

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justfornow 1 year, 6 months ago

What ifs, excuses and strawwoman arguments only. Try functioning without an ID day to day, it's damn near impossible. Douglas County is offering free voter ID cards so I see no barriers. Goodluck and hope the best person for all Americans wins in a landslide.

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autie 1 year, 6 months ago

why do some of you people seem to not believe there are a significant number of people in America that have difficulty with the picture ID thing? Oh...In Mayfield Wally and the Beav never had any trouble like that, sorry.

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Satirical 1 year, 6 months ago

If I don't need to show a photo ID to exercise my right to vote, do I still need to show a photo ID to exercise my right to carry a gun?

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Satirical 1 year, 6 months ago

I think everyone here agrees there should be integrity in the voting process. In other words, there should be a way to verify that a person showing up to vote has a right to vote in that election. There are rules currently in place to do just that.

There always have been and always should be burdens/obstacles with voting. There is the burden of registering, the burden of getting to the voting booth, the burden of showing some evidence that you live in the jurisdiction, such as a utility bill. So, if someone recently moved to a new state, and lives with someone else, and doesn’t have any bills in his name with that address, that person could be prevented from voting. There are of course provisional ballots, and absentee voting to mitigate some of these concerns. But in the end there are still hurdles/burdens.

If the voter ID law required a picture ID, but those IDs were free and easy to obtain (while still ensuring integrity in the system), and if you didn’t have one you could still cast a provisional ballot until you can adequately verify you have the right to vote, would you support it?

In other words, if the voter ID burden where mitigated like the other voting burdens are mitigated, what then is your basis of disagreement?

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Satirical 1 year, 6 months ago

"Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured...but not everyone must prove they are a citizen (to vote)" - Ben Stein

*parentheticals added

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justfornow 1 year, 6 months ago

I guess we'll see soon enough if Obama is going to win.

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justfornow 1 year, 6 months ago

And yes they still rent movies as long as you show ID. How do you know fraud is not happening? an ID has never been required till now, how can anyone know?

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justfornow 1 year, 6 months ago

I don't know bea, maybe buying a gun. I don't hear to many people whining about that as most know it's best for the group (Amerika) as a whole. Again no arguement is valid in my eyes for showing an ID to vote.

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justfornow 1 year, 6 months ago

Yea beatrice, the last time I tried to rent a movie from Hastings I forgot my ID and couldn't. This is Amerika-- SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS!!!! Same thing happened when I went to Dillons and tried to pay. Darn Amerika!!! SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS!!!!! nothing but strawwoman arguments from the lot of you. If you wanna vote get a darn ID!!!

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beatrice 1 year, 6 months ago

Yep, that is the problem with America -- too many people voting. Better put limits on voting.

This is Amerika -- SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS!!!!

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justfornow 1 year, 6 months ago

You lose/forfeit your ID when getting a divorce? I think not!!

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justfornow 1 year, 6 months ago

" your hypocrisy knows no bounds" Doc H.

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msezdsit 1 year, 6 months ago

Just one example: If you are recently divorced (or for that matter married) , the clock may run out on you before you can get a new valid ID. I guess you should just not plan on a wedding several months before an election or camp out at the court house and force them to finalize your divorce so you can get your proper ID for voting. Oh well, its just a women's right to vote that is at stake. Seems I remember something about some amendment regarding women's right to vote. Oh, must just be my imagination. Amendments only count if they favor the republican ideology of the day.

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Timothy Eugene 1 year, 6 months ago

Funny how it's only the liberal left upset about voter ID laws.....they have the most to lose in elections (illegals, dead people, etc.)

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justfornow 1 year, 6 months ago

I realize commonsense is not a given. Fox news, Lol. Expected argument when you have none.

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justfornow 1 year, 6 months ago

LMAO! What does all the above have to do with showing an ID to vote? Back to the DNC playbook and try again.

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woodscolt 1 year, 6 months ago

Great LTE. Hits the nail right on the head.

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woodscolt 1 year, 6 months ago

Now you see the right wing mass campaign of accusing the current polls of being skewed by the democrats (which is a total bs) taking off like wild fire. They are already setting the stage for using their tried and true methods of stealing the election and all they have to do is say, "See, we told you the polls were wrong all along"

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woodscolt 1 year, 6 months ago

The Bush regime paid gop operative,Nathan Sproul, over 7 million bucks to work on his campaigns in 2000 and 2008. Translated, what he did is trick democrats into registering as republicans, re-registered democrats and independents as republicans and shredded democratic registration forms. When his criminal activity was outed, suit was filed in a Las Vegas court, in which case the judge was a republican and his wife was the head of the republican party in Nevada. What the suit tried to accomplish was to just extend the deadline for registration so the tens of thousands of people he criminally disenfranchised could still go and re-register and still vote. The judge ruled that while he acknowledged that these people had been criminally disenfranchised, it wasn't within his power to extend the voter registration deadline and he didn't and the republicans won their scam by keeping these people from voting.

Recently, in Florida and Colorado, to name two states (there are more) the RNC paid 3 million dollars and the Romney campaign paid over 70K to none other than Nathan Sproul to work on behalf of republican party candidates campaigns. However, since they knew Nathan Sproul would set of red flags because of their previous criminal relationship with him, they told him he would have to set up a shell company they could send the 3 mill to so as not to look suspicious. He did and he registered over 180 non citizens in Florida to vote. When the republican party was outed on this(as well as Romney campaign) the RNC moved quickly to distance themselves from this alias company stating that there are always a few bad apples that must be weeded out. The RNC tried to pull it off as if they didn't know Nathan Sproul while they have a long and continuous criminal history with Nathan Sproul.

So when the republicans are complaining about voter fraud, it is because they are holding the evidence and it is them. The real red flag is this: The republican party has made their enormous campaign for voter ID but when you say to them: "OK, I'll see your voter ID if we can get voting machines to produce receipts. They go ballistic on the idea of voting machines producing receipts. You can raise almost the same argument the repubs use for voter id as you can for requiring receipts from voting machines.

Republican hypocrisy plus their criminal activity in the manipulation of voting equals voter fraud. That is why the exit polls in key swing states in 2000 and 2004 were decisively in favor of democrats but, shocking as it was, the actual vote count went to Bush and other republican candidates. Accuracy in exit polls has beeb nearly 100% with exception to the Bush elections.

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NoSpin 1 year, 6 months ago

Let's not forget our tax dollars pay for student identification, so voter fraud will not be an issue.

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NoSpin 1 year, 6 months ago

This letter is pure nonsense. Period. Voting is a very serious act and should be monitored. How do you prove who you are to get money? How do you prove who you are to receive government assistance? This is Dems' fear mongering. Do they mention how the military vote is surpressed? Heck, no. Try to mail an absentee ballot from a hole in Afghanistan. The Dems blocked a bill to allow the troops to vote online or give them an extension because it's not fair that EVERYONE can't do it. Your letter only will enlighten the fools and the "intellects". Let's get back to the real issue that our country is going down the tubes with debt and overspending.

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justfornow 1 year, 6 months ago

Feel stupid yet? Ya should, hypocrites!

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somedude20 1 year, 6 months ago

This sums it up. First, where is this "voter fraud" that is causing all this fuss; second, House Majority Leader Mike Turzai (R-PA) states..... S T A T E S that voter id will hand PA to Willard. Of course, the R's also stated their only goal is to get Obama out of their White House and have been killing the country to do so. Republicans have shifted so much and are EVIL for America. Republicans created this "Merica" bs, and if sucks!!!!. Damn crooks and I bet their version of voter fraud is anyone who would vote for a black man!

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justfornow 1 year, 6 months ago

Watching clowns try to make a valid argument against producing an ID is almost comical.

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booyalab 1 year, 6 months ago

Ironically, the kids would probably enjoy showing their "ID"s. But I guess the average kid wants to grow up more than the average Democrat gives them credit for.

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FlintlockRifle 1 year, 6 months ago

Hey you two , guess you are the type the voter I.D law was written for, what's the big deal here anyway----------

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lunacydetector 1 year, 6 months ago

it isn't the republicans who suppress the votes, it's the democrats and their state run media.

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tbaker 1 year, 6 months ago

Requiring an ID to vote means you are bullying and trying to cheat someone?

Aside from the good laugh I got out of this, Mr. Sack and Ms. Coker's letter is pure fallacy, utterly void of any foundation worthy of serious discourse. Must have been a slow day at LJW if baseless tripe like this makes it to the blog. Moving on.

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Constitutional_Malfeasance 1 year, 6 months ago

I do but always hated that shop worn saying.

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Constitutional_Malfeasance 1 year, 6 months ago

Don't get how the same ones who cheered for a sweeping 2800 page healthcare overhaul that no one knew what it contained and effects 17% of our economy are up in arms over the simple requirement of an ID to vote.

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Constitutional_Malfeasance 1 year, 6 months ago

Why is the right to vote seen as robbed of someone just because they have to produce an ID?

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JonasGrumby 1 year, 6 months ago

I have to wonder how people like the "Obama phone" lady in Cleveland know how to find free phones and other government handouts, yet some, such as the letter writers, believe they lack the ability to secure a photo ID.

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Benjamin Roberts 1 year, 6 months ago

Really? It took two people to write a letter this void of rational thought?

Children do not have the same access to, or reasons to carry, a picture ID that an adult has.

I do agree with the statement, "... will quickly learn how one segment of the society is trying to bully another segment." The constant demeaning and belittling of minority, elderly, and poor citizens by those who state that these groups are either too poor, too stupid, too dependent, or too recluse to have or obtain a picture ID needs to stop. Just stop it. No citizen of a country that provides so many opportunities should be categorized as too damn ignorant to obtain an identification card. Just stop it. Or, better yet, if you really know someone that is incapable of getting an ID card - offer a helping hand. And, stop belittling them just to make a political point.

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