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Ban aimed at drug K2 extended by Drug Enforcement Administration

March 18, 2012


The Drug Enforcement Administration has extended a ban for six months on five chemicals found in the smokeable herbal blend known as “K2” or “Spice.”

In 2010, Kansas was the first state in the country to ban such chemicals after law enforcement began seeing the drug, which mimics the effects of marijuana, sold in Kansas stores. Before the ban, K2 was a popular item sold at a local store, Sacred Journey, 1103 Mass.

After Kansas made the chemicals illegal, numerous other states followed suit.

The problem? Crafty drug makers began making similar versions of the drug, such as “K3,” with chemicals not banned under the law. The state of Kansas addressed that problem by banning classes of chemicals in 2011, meaning that even modified chemicals still fall under the law.

Deputy Tom Erickson, spokesman for the Johnson County Sheriff’s Office, said the Kansas law has “absolutely” made a difference in their area.

“We have the strictest laws in the country,” he said. Drug makers “don’t want anything to do with Kansas.”

Erickson said they still see versions of K2 but not nearly as often as they did before the Kansas law.

The DEA ban, which expires Sept. 1, makes the chemicals found in K2 a Schedule 1 drug, which means the drug has a high abuse potential and no known medical use. Possession, manufacturing and trafficking are all federal felonies with stiff penalties — up to life imprisonment in some cases.

Rusty Payne, DEA spokesman, said the DEA is working to permanently add the chemicals to the Schedule 1 list, which involves a joint process conducted by the DEA and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. The DEA ban gives federal authorities jurisdiction to enforce the law in any state.

But if the chemicals are scheduled, that still leaves the door open for drug makers who are using altered chemicals that aren’t Schedule 1 drugs.

“That’s the whole challenge,” said Payne about trying to keep up with drug manufacturers.

Pending legislation in Congress similar to the Kansas law, however, might close that gap. That bill, HR 1254, passed the House of Representatives in 2011 and was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary. The federal legislation broadens the scope of the DEA ban and includes any chemical that is a “cannabinoid receptor.”

Payne said that would help counteract drug makers who simplify modify the compounds in K2-like substances to skirt the current ban.


Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 2 months ago

"The federal legislation broadens the scope of the DEA ban and includes any chemical that is a “cannabinoid receptor.”"

This will be the end of a whole new field of possible research. Just as the ban on LSD ended the most effective treatment ever found for alcoholism, and some other mental conditions also, many years ago.

Even today, many people that have a problem with alcohol are "sentenced" to "treatments" that have been shown to be incredibly ineffective. The only treatment that actually did seem to work was made illegal in the 1960s.

Everyone that has lost a family member to any kind of accident, usually it's a car wreck, due to the use of alcohol needs to send a great big "Thank You!" note to Washington, D.C.

You didn't really need that relative, did you? Besides, the funeral parlor industry is good for the economy.

Because, our very wise lawmakers in Washington made the only treatment that has ever been shown to actually work to help alcoholics recover illegal many years ago.

And now they are at it again, trying to get votes by making a substance illegal for political purposes, without even thinking about what the possible consequences for their actions might be. After all, what's a consequence, compared with getting votes?

That's one of the major problems with our democratic republic. Politicians want voters to vote for them, and they're not worried at all about the future results of their lawmaking actions. They are always very quick to take credit for any success, and very quick to cover up any research that shows they might have made a mistake.

Pain relief is one of the major uses for drugs that bond with the cannabinoid receptors in the human brain, and they are not addictive at all.

Be quiet about any other treatments, and hand Grandma the morphine. We know it's one of the most addictive drugs there is.

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Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 2 months ago

But this legislation will have one really good result. It will make the business of selling natural cannabinoids much more lucrative. And the best part of that is - few, if any, of the purveyors pay any taxes at all!

xtronics 6 years, 2 months ago

Yes - you have it right - the actions of government more often than not have great negative consequence that are larger than the good they 'hoped' to create. (Similar to the good intentions in military involvement in the middle east that have made the US population a target of terrorists) .

The first question is: where does the government get the right to tell an adult what they can put in their own bodies? The rights of government are delegated from the people - so do people have the right to force others not to do stupid things?

I think pot and cannabis analogs are stupid things to use - even a sneaky drug with long half live due to the solubility in the fats that much of the brain. (People think they are sober the next day, but reaction times and thinking is effected for several days). Long term use is correlated with psychotic breakdowns in later life and is a large problem in Australian where potent pot grows wild - available for the picking.

YET - if you want to consume pot and get stupid - I don't have the right to stop you - just don't ask me to support you due to your inability to create an income.

Freedom is a good thing.

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 2 months ago

Yes, unless an exception is granted by the federal government, which is difficult but not impossible to get.

FDA Schedules:

Schedule 1: No known medical use, a total ban.

Schedule 2: Does have a medical use, but access is severely restricted due to a high potential for abuse. A written paper trail needs to follow all supplies. Only a month's prescription can be written per month, and it is not refillable. Another prescription needs to be written on paper by a physician for another month's supply. Cocaine, Ritalin, Adderall, and very addictive painkillers such as morphine are examples.

Schedule 3: Available by prescription, which can be phoned or faxed in by a physician, and it can be refilled a few times. Antibiotics, antidepressants, and less addictive painkillers are examples.

Schedule 4: Available over the counter. Aspirin is an example.

pills4profit 6 years, 2 months ago


Your correct about schedule 1 and 2 drugs, however, your wrong on the rest.

Schedule 3 drugs are considered less addictive than sch 2 but more addictive than sch 4. Schedule 4 drugs are considered to be slightly less addictive than sch. 3 but more addictive than sch 5.

The medical communitity largely lumps sch 3 and 4 into the same category. Some drugs in the 3 and 4 sch. include benzos (xanax), lortab (hydrocodone/acetaminophen), zolpidem (ambiem), phenteramine, and other sedative, hypnotic, stimulant, and analgesic drugs. Antibiotics and antidepressents are not scheduled.

Schedule 5 drugs are behind the counter and you have to be over 18 to buy them as well as sign a book and show a valid form of ID. They are considered less addictive and a few examples of Sch 5 drugs are codein cough syrup, and in some states even pseudephedrine (In Kansas, however, one must still sign a book and show a valid ID to obtain pseudephed). An Rx is not always needed for sch. 5 drugs.

The rest of medications such as antibiotics, some steroids, blood pressure meds, cholesterol meds, and analgesics such as meloxicam are not scheduled but still require a valid Rx.

Liberty275 6 years, 2 months ago

"Deputy Tom Erickson, spokesman for the Johnson County Sheriff’s Office, said the Kansas law has “absolutely” made a difference in their area."

Carrie Nation also made a difference in Kansas. Thanks to her foolishness, Americans died in drive-by shootings, deals gone bad and from contaminated product. We have people like you to thank for that today. Maybe some day you'll wake up and realize how many people took a dirt nap so you could make your difference and be a hero.

You can manipulate the law to keep K(x) out of people's hands, but they'll just go to home depot and buy silver paint instead. Or if they have a little interest in chemistry, maybe they'll cook up a batch of coke bottle meth.

You are making a difference. Too bad you're just making things worse.

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 2 months ago

I heard a story once, and I was told it was true but I would not want to claim it actually was. But I think it was, because I knew both of the men involved and I don't remember either one of them ever making up a story.

One man knew another man that was working on his master's degree in Organic Chemistry in the late 1970s. They decided they wanted to try doing some LSD, and they wanted to do some nice, clean LSD with no impurities. And by the way, you're not very likely to ever find that on the street.

So, the Organic Chemistry student mixed up a batch. This was before the precursors were on FDA schedule, and at that time KU stocked everything he needed, so that wasn't a problem at all.

But there was one problem. Because a single dose of LSD is so small, 20 to 50 micrograms, it was not possible for him to mix up less than 10,000 doses.

So they did one dose each, and poured 9,998 doses down the drain.

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 2 months ago

I remember wondering what the fish downstream thought about that.

Sunny Parker 6 years, 2 months ago

What a waste of money, time and energy!

nut_case 6 years, 2 months ago

DEA ban and includes any chemical that is a “cannabinoid receptor.”

I'm no biologist, but I thought 'cannabinoid receptors' are expressed in the human brain / body? (ie - sites which are activated by various cannabinoids). At first I thought surely they don't mean to make natural chemicals in our bodies illegal...then it dawns on me...this IS Kansas...maybe so?

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