Archive for Sunday, March 11, 2012

All for 1 … or 2: Jayhawks say seed doesn’t matter

The Jayhawks try to pull it together against Baylor during the second half on Friday, March 9, 2012.

The Jayhawks try to pull it together against Baylor during the second half on Friday, March 9, 2012.

March 11, 2012


Kansas University’s basketball players rested Saturday, catching their collective breath in advance of today’s practice and 5 p.m. NCAA Tournament Selection Show on CBS.

“No idea on 1 or 2,” KU coach Bill Self said in a text message Saturday night, responding to the question of the day — whether his Jayhawks (27-6) would be awarded a No. 1 seed for the third straight year and fifth in the last sixth years or a No. 2 seed in the 2012 Big Dance.

ESPN bracketologist Joe Lunardi on Saturday night gave KU the last of the four No. 1 seeds, behind Kentucky, Syracuse and North Carolina. His projections were made following Missouri’s Big 12 tourney title victory over Baylor.

Lunardi had Michigan State, Ohio State, Missouri and Duke as “next in line” following his top four. However, ESPN analyst Digger Phelps indicated he’d give Michigan State the nod for the final No. 1. The Spartans will meet Ohio State in the Big Ten tourney’s title game today. Others listing KU as a 2 seed: Seth Davis of CBS Sports and Sports Illustrated and Gary Parrish of CBS Sports.

Self was asked following Saturday’s 81-72 Big 12 semifinal loss to Baylor if there’s a big difference between being a 1 and 2.

“I don’t know. We’ve never been a 2,” Self said. “I still believe regardless, everybody from a psychological standpoint wants in their mind to be on the highest seed line they possibly can be. At Tulsa we were a 7 (in 2000). I was like, ‘How can we be a 7? We’re better than that.’ It worked out pretty well for us (in reaching Elite Eight). Sometimes when we’ve been a 1, match-ups don’t work that well, either. I think it’s more about match-ups than seed line.”

The Jayhawks have been a No. 1 seed four times, a No. 3 two times and a No. 4 two times during his first eight years at KU. As a No. 1 seed, KU lost in the Elite Eight last year, lost in the second round in 2010, won it all in 2008 and lost in the Elite Eight in 2007.

“We don’t know what the committee is going to do. We can’t dictate that,” said KU senior point guard Tyshawn Taylor. “I don’t think we’re going to be on pins and needles. Even as a No. 1 seed like we hope for, if we don’t get that, it’s not the end of the world because we’ve still got something to play for.

“Honestly, I’ve been a No. 1 seed two years in a row, and I don’t have a national championship. It doesn’t mean that much.”

Taylor said he wouldn’t be stunned if the Jayhawks were awarded a No. 1 seed despite the fact Missouri, which is 30-4, won the Big 12 tourney title.

“I don’t know how they pick it,” Taylor said. “I think the overall conference season is what determines who is best in the conference. We are the Big 12 champion, not the Big 12 tournament champion, but we are the Big 12 champion. I think they (committee members) will see that. It’s really not that big a deal to me. It looks good being a 1, it’s nice, but in the NCAA Tournament, it doesn’t matter.”

Senior Conner Teahan said he believes KU deserves a 1 seed, “just because we played some great teams and won some big games and showed we’re a tough team. At the same time, 1 or 2 seed ... I heard Tyshawn say earlier we’ve been a 1 seed the last two years, and it didn’t get us too far. We’ve just got to face whoever they put in front of us, respect them and be aggressive.”

Teahan said the team would not be upset with a 2 seed.

“If you told us at the beginning of the year that at the end we’d be a 2 seed, I think everybody would have sold out for that,” Teahan said. “A 1 seed would obviously be nice, but you know what? Two seed? I don’t think it makes too much a difference for us, but I could be wrong.”

As far as location of games, it’s a virtual certainty KU will play a first-round game Friday in Omaha, Neb. A victory would mean a Sunday game also in Omaha.

As far as the site of possible Sweet 16 or Elite Eight contests? Most figure KU will be sent to either Phoenix or St. Louis. The other two sites are Boston and Atlanta. Phoenix is a Thursday/Saturday regional, St. Louis a Friday/Sunday.

Another title for Heights: KU signee Perry Ellis scored 29 points and grabbed seven rebounds in Wichita Heights’ 67-60 Class 6A state title victory over Blue Valley Northwest on Saturday in Wichita. Sophomore guard Clayton Custer had 32 points for NW. Ellis won four state championships during his high school career.

Dooley on Rhode Island list?: KU assistant coach Joe Dooley has been listed as a possible candidate for the head coaching position at Rhode Island, according to Other possible candidates: Dan Hurley (Wagner), Steve Pikiell (Stony Brook), Jim Ferry (Long Island), Andy Toole (Robert Morris), Jim Christian (TCU), Al Skinner (formerly of Boston College. Christian played at URI.

All-tourney team: The Big 12 tournament all-tourney team: Kim English (Most Outstanding Player), Phil Pressey (Missouri), Perry Jones III (Baylor), Brady Heslip (Baylor) and J’Covan Brown (Texas).


dennise 5 years, 11 months ago

If Joe Lunardi seeded his bracket after the MU-Baylor game he was probably sleeping. Hours before the end of that game Colorado clinched an automatic bid and he doesn't even have them in his (updated) bracket.

Maddy Griffin 5 years, 11 months ago

It doesn't matter, we're all going to the "Big Dance." I can't wait to see what kinds of surprises and letdowns the"Madness" has in store this year. ROCK CHALK!!! Get your dancin' shoes on.

Jim Johnson 5 years, 11 months ago

I've never understood the big deal with seeds, you have to beat whatever team you are up against to advance, simple as that. I understand that being closer to home is suppose to be an advantage but it usually isn't. They still have to win.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

In 1988 KU was a six seed. I think a couple of years before that, Villanova was an eight seed.

But that doesn't change the fact that a higher seed is definitely an advantage.

I don't think it'll make much difference if KU is a 1 or a 2 seed this year. There's a great deal of parity among the probable top 16 seeds.

woodscolt 5 years, 11 months ago

Going into conference tournaments : Michigan has lost 2 out of their last 4 games
Ohio State lost 3 out of their last 6 games
Ku wins 9 games in a row including wins over Missouri and Baylor

Syracuse lost to Cincinnati , not even close to a Baylor caliber team and played a much weaker schedule than KU and didn't even rate conversation of dropping to a 2 seed.

KU loses to a team as good as Michigan State or Ohio State or UNC or Syracuse, and KU would drop to a 2 seed.

Something kinda smells here. Hope the selection committee isn't as biased as all the people who are predicting KU's single loss to Baylor should drop them to a 2 seed.

bwag 5 years, 11 months ago

When you end up with a 2 seed like you would have before the Big12 tournament, you'll realize what that got for you.

weegee 5 years, 11 months ago

What a funny little name you have! If you are so sick of the Jayhawks, why don't you use your beloved Tiggers instead?

brew_crew122 5 years, 11 months ago

The bandwagon is already full with the Methzou cheerleaders! #woof

Steve Jacob 5 years, 11 months ago

I think the committee rewards a tough schedule, so OSU/MSU winner should get a #1 seed. They both played 13 ranked teams this year (KU played 9).

bwag 5 years, 11 months ago

Big X mediocrity from top to bottom...

James Minor 5 years, 11 months ago

The seedings should be ranked on strength of schedule. KU beat OSU, MU, Baylor(twice), ISU. Losses to Duke, MU, Baylor, ISU, to name a few of the six. If Syracuse can lose in their tournament and get a one seed then KU should get a one seed too. It doesn't matter to the players where they go, but a 1 seed in St.Louis would be great for the fans.

Kontum1972 5 years, 11 months ago

Madness...and Money..that is what it is all really about....just another .....Money-Ball...!

jumpin_catfish 5 years, 11 months ago

No. 2 and it doesn't matter as long as you win the rest of your games which don't bet your paycheck on that happening.

Mike Ford 5 years, 11 months ago

No. 1's never get knocked off in the first round but I remember Iowa State as a No.2 getting beat by Hampton when they had Marcus Fizer and some other NBA talent a decade ago. If KU is a No.2 I think St. Mary's of California will take them based on the projected Lunardi brackets.

riverdrifter 5 years, 11 months ago

I hate these post season tournaments. They're just fundraisers for the conferences. The only team with a scintilla of motivation won the Big 12 edition. Really, so what? Kentucky just lost to Vandy in the SEC tourney. Can't make UK a #1 now, can they? These post season tournaments are just stupid.

Mandie Eutsler 5 years, 11 months ago

I agree to a certain extent. These tourneys are pointless for the already secured a bid teams, but now Vandy gets a chance at the big dance, so there's the reason for them. I fail to see how UNC's SECOND loss of the season to FSU is excusable and they will still get that 1 seed even though the ACC is not thought to be as good as big 10 or 12.

riverdrifter 5 years, 11 months ago

Yep, Carolina just lost too. Can't make them a no. 1 now, can they?

CHEEZIT 5 years, 11 months ago

Yea but they beat Duke at Cameron a week ago by 20. The East coast bias would never overlook that!!!

Kelly Knott 5 years, 11 months ago

Yes, this by far is the best team MethU has had in 20 years. They finally have a team that is worthy of the Big XII. But MethU basketball and their classless, wannabe fan base have always boo-hoo’ed about never being recognized as an accredited program. They just spew that they are soooo much better than KU, and much to good for the Big XII. So why do they want to continue playing the “rivalry game” after they step down to the SEC? I’ll tell you why… Although they would never admit it, (they confirm it by their actions & rants) MethU has always viewed KU as an elite program by which they measure their success. The kittens have never been in a National Championship game. They have never advanced to the Final Four. For them, the MU vs KU game has always been the closest they’ve come to a National Championship game. KU has never, and will never need the matchup against MU to confirm our status as one of the elite programs in the country, year after year after year. The Meth-heads just don’t get it, once in 20-years doesn’t earn you that status. Bye Bye tigers, your boarder-war is now with Arkansas. Rock Chalk Jayhawks!

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