Archive for Friday, March 9, 2012

Anti-abortion group opposes KU Medical Center efforts to change bill

March 9, 2012


— An influential anti-abortion group on Friday urged Gov. Sam Brownback and the Kansas Legislature to reject an attempt by the Kansas University Medical Center to change an anti-abortion bill.

"Time to end University of Kansas abortion training," said a call to action by Kansans for Life.

House Bill 2598, called the No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act, would make numerous changes to state law sought by anti-abortion advocates. The House Federal and State Affairs Committee will probably vote on the measure next week.

One of the provisions of the bill states: "no health care services provided by any state agency, or any employee of a state agency while acting within the scope of such employee's employment, shall include abortion."

KU Medical Center's residents are considered state employees. KU officials say accreditation requirements for obsetrics/gynecology residencies require that residents gain experience with induced abortion and complications due to abortion, unless they have a religious or moral objection. Abortions aren't performed at the medical center or any facilities operated by the school. Students get that training elsewhere.

But Kathy Ostrowski, of Kansans for Life, disagreed with KU's assessment. She said, "There is no professional reason that ob/gyn resident physicians have to learn how to destroy unborn children in order to achieve competency in pregnancy management, stillbirth evacuation or treating abortion complications."

She urged people to contact Brownback and legislators "to stop abortion training by KU!"

Officials at the KU Medical Center declined to comment on Kansans for Life's statements.


Mercy 6 years, 3 months ago


"A Pro-Life Group opposes KU Medical Center efforts to change bill"

Cait McKnelly 6 years, 3 months ago

Gee, Mercy, you still haven't responded to the smackdown I gave you last night. But that's your cohort; keep on keepin' on with the lies, mistruths, misconceptions and misinformation so you can go home all wrapped up nice, warm and fuzzy in your righteousness.

kansanjayhawk 6 years, 3 months ago

wow--nothing like a lttle left wing name calling--to prove your point...

Bruce Janssen 6 years, 3 months ago

Mercy, give it a rest.

From the AP Stylebook: "Use anti-abortion instead of pro-life and abortion rights instead of pro-abortion or pro-choice."

Cait McKnelly 6 years, 3 months ago

"Kansans for Life" is a misnomer. Kind of like how "crisis pregnancy center" is a misnomer. They say that ob-gyn residents "don't need to learn how to do abortions". Yeah, let's not teach them how to save the lives of women with abruptio placenta or ectopic pregnancies. Let'em die. Oh and screw their accreditation with ACOG. They don't need it. I REALLY want to know when legislators and religious right wing nutcases became physicians and could dictate policy to a medical school. Seriously, the longer I live the more surreal the world becomes.

kansanjayhawk 6 years, 3 months ago

wow--is this where liberalism is--calling names and proving no points--this is why your pro-abortion side is losing the argument because you don't prove points you just call names! The tax payer should never be required to be involved in paying for or training anyone to perform an abortion--the brutal dismemberment--of an unborn child!

Armored_One 6 years, 3 months ago

Hey Kansas... How about answering a basic question.

Why are laws that affect only one gender legal?

Mary Alexander 6 years, 3 months ago

I agree with you totally. This has gone way to far. No ones has the right to take away your rights and this group is trying to do just that. Just wait until they start losing theirs.

asixbury 6 years, 3 months ago

Does Kathy not care that KU Med would lose it's accredidation if this bill is not changed to exempt them? KU Med is one of the best medical schools in the nation; this would be a ginormous blow to the university.

asixbury 6 years, 3 months ago

Accreditation and enormous...should have proofread better.

asixbury 6 years, 3 months ago

Accreditation and enormous...should have proofread better.

kansanjayhawk 6 years, 3 months ago

That accreditation has been politicized by pro-abortion political people. In no way should the people of Kansas be required to authorize their flagship university to train anyone to perform abortions. Abortion is a brutal violation of the human rights of the unborn child and each child should be once again protected by the law!

Armored_One 6 years, 3 months ago

Hey Kansas, a quick question...

If you and yours are willing to force women, regardless of cause or means, to not only have no access to health coverage for birth control AND carry all children to term, are you going to volunteer to cough up the extra tax money needed to pay for the increase in children placed into foster care?

My bet, personally, is you'll squeal like a stuck pig the instant someone raises taxes on you to pay for it, despite you getting exactly what you wanted.

blindrabbit 6 years, 3 months ago

Scott and observant: The name of the group is the Kansas Repressionistic Party.

kansanjayhawk 6 years, 3 months ago

more name-calling--this does not help your argument!

Crazy_Larry 6 years, 3 months ago

"KU officials say accreditation requirements for obsetrics/gynecology residencies require that residents gain experience with induced abortion and complications due to abortion, unless they have a religious or moral objection." There's your out, religious nut-jobs. If you're in medical school, noone will force you to learn about abortion and you will not become an OBGYN. It's your choice. Your religious preference should hold no sway over the future of doctors. Since when do the wants of religious whack-jobs take precedence over medical school accreditation? The lunacy has crossed the line and must be stopped by any means necessary.

Crazy_Larry 6 years, 3 months ago

Hey, Kansans for Life! You are not the moral arbiters of America/Kansas. You don't get to impose your $#i77y antiquated values on the rest of us. I don't give a f**k. If you don't like abortion, don't have one, don't buy one, don't support it. Whatever. That's your right. It's a free market and that's your prerogative. But don't try to enforce your B.S. on the rest of us...We don't agree with you...Get over it. You do not get to dictate morality to the rest of us (period). Welcome to the United States of America.

kansanjayhawk 6 years, 3 months ago

The university which is taxpayer financed should not be involved in any way because of the religious and moral objections of the people of the State of Kansas!

Armored_One 6 years, 3 months ago

I am a tax payer and I have neither religious nor moral objections to abortion. Why is your will more important than mine?

asixbury 6 years, 3 months ago

Not everyone objects to it...the laws of this country are made to protect the minority from the majority.

Crazy_Larry 6 years, 3 months ago

Religion should not influence laws that affect everyone including the nonreligious. We don't live in Saudi Arabia! Don't force your fairy tale driven beliefs upon the rest of us. It's very simple concept, really....You're against abortion? Don't have one.

kansanjayhawk 6 years, 3 months ago

We have the freedom of religion in America! The constitution protects our rights as Christians to influence public policy and to object to moral evils like abortion! Killing an unborn child in the womb is an offense to God, nature, and all people regardless of belief have the right to express their opinion in opposition to abortion!

Armored_One 6 years, 3 months ago

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

  • Quoted directly from the Constitution of the United States of America. Passing laws based exclusively in the morality of one religion or another directly violates this part of the Constitution.

Would you accept Islamic laws passed? Buddhist? Wiccan?

Yeah, that is exactly what I thought.

Me, me, me. Ta hell with everyone else.

William Weissbeck 6 years, 3 months ago

You clearly miss the point. As it stands, abortion is legal. You have the right to attack that public policy by seeking to overturn Roe vs. Wade. You do not have the right to do indirectly what you cannot do directly. You cannot pick and choose what to fund based on your religious beliefs if the service or program is otherwise legal to "non-believers." Otherwise you are imposing your religious will.

Cait McKnelly 6 years, 3 months ago

"The constitution protects our rights as Christians to influence public policy and to object to moral evils like abortion! " Actually, the Establishment clause was written to protect people from religion as much as to protect the right of the people to religion. It was specifically written to protect us from the likes of people like YOU.

Cait McKnelly 6 years, 3 months ago

Oh and by the way, you know that little ditty from the American Revolution; "no taxation without representation"? The reverse is also true. No representation without taxation. So, if you want to interject your church into the arena of government you better expect it's going to come with a tax bill.

ebyrdstarr 6 years, 3 months ago

I'm reading this proposed statute and I see no exception to the "no abortions by state employees or state agencies" for a medical emergency threatening the life of the mother.

So does this mean that women in the KC metro area should not go to the #1 ranked hospital in our area if they are pregnant and hemorrhaging or suffering some other life-threatening complication? Anyone who supports that does not deserve the label pro-life. Because a woman who is dealing with a catastrophic pregnancy failure should not have to take the time to research what hospital will actually treat her.

Richie Kennedy 6 years, 3 months ago

HB 2598, Sec. 6: "The limitations set forth in sections 1 through 7, and amendments thereto, shall not apply to an abortion which is necessary to preserve the life of the pregnant woman."

The "no abortions bye state employees or state agencies" line is in Section 2; therefore, Section 6 provides the medical emergency exemption you were looking for.

Cait McKnelly 6 years, 3 months ago

Ahhh it's the opening salvo from the old boy's club.

Crazy_Larry 6 years, 3 months ago

"Yellow journalism, or the yellow press, is a type of journalism that presents little or no legitimate well-researched news and instead uses eye-catching headlines to sell more newspapers. Techniques may include exaggerations of news events, scandal-mongering, or sensationalism. By extension, the term yellow journalism is used today as a pejorative to decry any journalism that treats news in an unprofessional or unethical fashion."

Internet access is what's contributing to subscription cancellations. (insert derogatory name calling here).

Jonathan Becker 6 years, 3 months ago

As written in the Washington Post today, if abortion was biologically relevant for men , abortion would be a sacrament.

JayhawkFan1985 6 years, 3 months ago

Is kansans for life affiliated with the Taliban? They certainly seem to believe in sharia law. They definitely employ the same tactics as terrorists by bombing medical offices and murdering medical professionals.

Michael LoBurgio 6 years, 3 months ago

Kansas Republicans look to profit off abortion taxes

Lawmakers in Kansas will consider next week a sweeping anti-abortion bill that would, among other things, levy sales taxes on any and all abortion procedures, related healthcare expenses and any company that might do business with an abortion provider — a proposal that could bring millions into state coffers, or just force clinics to shut down

Massive in scope, H.B. 2598 includes provisions being considered in other states as well, like offering doctors immunity from malpractice lawsuits if they do not inform expectant mothers of prenatal health problems that could lead to an abortion; a removal of important tax credits provided to most healthcare institutions; requiring doctors to lie to patients by claiming that abortions may cause breast cancer; forcing women to hear the heartbeat of their fetus before an abortion; and even prohibiting state employees from contributing to the teaching of basic sexual health facts.

Cait McKnelly 6 years, 3 months ago

What makes this really sad is that there is no exception for saving the life of the mother, rape/incest or if the fetus is nonviable. Of course, we live in a state where no physician is permitted to term a fetus "nonviable" because our Great White Father legislators know sooooo much more about women, pregnancy and childbirth than board certified physicians do. Try dealing with one of those things and then having to pay taxes on it. Not only will you have to pay sales tax but you won't be allowed to deduct the cost from your taxes either. And you will pay for it out of pocket. No insurance will cover it, unless you had the foreknowledge to buy the "special rider" that covers the cost of the operation that saved your life. The over reach of these people is becoming worse and worse on a yearly basis.

karrin 6 years, 3 months ago

That is if a rider is actually available to you. Coventry Health Care in Kansas does not offer riders for individual policies. Even if you wanted to "prepare" for your rape, like Rep Pete DeGraaf suggested last session, you could not if you have Coventry Insurance.

Cait McKnelly 6 years, 3 months ago

Kansas is considering the same legislation, word for word, that other states; Arizona, Mississippi, Georgia, Virginia, South Dakota, Ohio, Texas and many others, have in their state houses. Ever wonder where it comes from? Americans United for Life. This little beauty is the "pro-life" (/spit) arm of ALEC. Their legal department is pushing out the exact same "cookie cutter" style legislation that ALEC is doing and they are an integral part of every ALEC "resort get-away" that our legislators attend. How does it feel to have our entire country pushed around like a mass of cattle and controlled by a few?

Cait McKnelly 6 years, 3 months ago

I have no doubt that a great deal of this legislation isn't even changed from the way it's handed to them by ALEC/AUL. They simply copy it off and shove it through the legislature. I doubt the majority of them even read it. Wow! They have their jobs done for them and they get to spend a week in Cabo San Lucas too at the Kochs and Stayers largesse! Is it any wonder that it generates so many lawsuits?

jeremiah23 6 years, 3 months ago

Political rhetoric aside, the entire Medical Center will not lose accreditation if one program loses accreditation. The OB/GYN residency program would not lose accreditation if this bill passes because the accreditation requirements allow for a legal exception. Doctors who wish to learn to perform abortions hands-on can do so at a different location; many have a moral objection to the procedures and do not care to ever peform them. They can learn to handle complications from botched abortions or simply routine complications in their normal residency program without actually performing an abortion.

JayhawkFan1985 6 years, 3 months ago

So Jeremiah why should a small out of touch minority be able to inflict their extreme religious views on the rest of us? If you are morally opposed to abortion then don't have one. Personally, I wish there will not be any more abortions, but that is not practical given 1) tubal pregnancies, and 2) victims of rape and incest and now are also trying to ban birth control which wheused properly reduces the number of unwanted pregnancies. I find it morally objectionable that the very politicians that have declared war on women (GOP Taliban) also oppose funding for social services like aid to families with dependent children and WIC and Medicaid and education. I also object to the notion that kansas legislators who have nearly the lowest level of education as a group compared with the other states are making decisions about curricula at universities or that someone paying to receive a medical education should have to take a class elsewhere to finish that training just to learn a legal medical procedure. The GOP Taliban are hypocrites. I pray their party crumbles both nationally and in KS.

kansanjayhawk 6 years, 3 months ago

Well--the problem with the above comment is this--the "minority" is actually a "majority" of the people of Kansas as represented by their elected representatives in the Legislature and the elected governor of Kansas! So it is not really "small" and secondly the bill provides for the hard cases and makes exceptions! Third name-calling "taliban" really makes you lose any support for any of your arguments and just comes across as mean-spirited!

Armored_One 6 years, 3 months ago


A number totalling more than half of any given mass.

Since I already know for a fact that this organization does NOT boast anything even approaching a fraction, let alone a majority, we will pause for you to jerk your foot out of your mouth.

Bad side effect of the Internet. A simple Google search provides all sorts of information, like membership rosters for various non profit entities.

Cait McKnelly 6 years, 3 months ago

Would you rather they be called "lebensborn" laws? Because, frankly, the Nazis provided for their forced birth mothers and children a lot better than these laws do. (Ok, ok, I deserve the "Godwin" flag for that. I honestly don't care.)

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