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Sinking ship?

June 1, 2012

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To the editor:

The Titanic’s sinking may be a tired metaphor, but Kansas’ new tax code may provide a new perspective on that age-old tragedy. Only in this instance, instead of filling the lifeboats, only one aristocrat is allowed per vessel. And with Brownback’s decisive victory, most of the folks in the freezing water voted for this outcome. The one good thing about this grand experiment may be that, once and for all, we should be able to prove that trickle-down economics hasn’t worked and maybe never will. I agree that government has wasted money in the past. Iraq comes to mind. Why does it seem that all government wants to accomplish these days is helping those who need the least help?

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Cant_have_it_both_ways 2 years, 1 month ago

Maybe you need to get a job Chris. Then you could help support the tax base

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Alyosha 2 years, 1 month ago

This comment lacks any attempt to be serious. A serious comment would not make the easy-to-avoid mistake of presuming that anyone opposed to Brownback's tax plan doesn't have a job. That kind of logical fallacy maims your comment fatally. Try to objectively reflect on your assumptions, Cant, before posting, to make sure you don't put yourself in the avoidable position of looking like someone who can't make a reasonable argument.

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 1 month ago

Lead someone to a job that pays enough to sustain themselves without Social Services assistance!

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Cant_have_it_both_ways 2 years, 1 month ago

This comment was removed by the site staff for violation of the usage agreement.

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Alyosha 2 years, 1 month ago

Again with the ad hominem attacks. Serious logical fallacies at work here, Cant, which only lead readers to believe that when it comes to ethical and moral argumentation and discussion, you have nothing to bring to the table.

I suggest you read up on principles of argumentation so you can avoid these common argumentative fallacies you engage in repeatedly, and which do nothing but convince readers of your inability to be an ethical citizen.

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somedude20 2 years, 1 month ago

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink

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scaramouchepart2 2 years, 1 month ago

In Can'ts case you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him think.

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 1 month ago

The jobs simply are not available! My guess is hundreds of Lawrence residents have been forced into unemployment.

A four year degree is not quite enough. Now learning a skilled trade is necessary in addition to the degree. Having two or three sources of income is not a bad idea.... if one can find them. Why? There are at least 6 reasons to keep in mind.

Reagan/Bush brought the USA: 1. Mergers 2. Hostile Takeovers 3. Leveraged Buyouts 4. Free Trade Agreements

Followed by: 5. Reagan/Bush Savings and Loan home loan scandal which killed the economy and cost the USA millions of jobs. Also started a trillion dollar war.

Bush/Cheney did a repeat performance 6. Bush/Cheney Home Loan scandal killed the economy and cost the USA millions of jobs. Created a new $5 trillion tax dollar as well = another repeat performance

All of above ultimately translated into millions upon millions upon millions of USA job losses. These jobs go abroad with supporting tax codes that prevent taxation on profits made abroad from USA big name corporations.

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Cant_have_it_both_ways 2 years, 1 month ago

How smart is it to be an educated idiot, a product of a University when there are more candidates than there are positions. Many with Masters degrees or better are sitting on the bench as the jobs that are available are not good enough for them. It is sad that many know what the book says, but when it comes down to it, have no people skills, no leadership skills, no manual skills, but can sit up in the office running companies into the ground.

If you don't have it, education is not going to do it for you. Many were born in this life to flip hamburgers. It has been said that the last conversation I had with a graduate of MIZZOU was when they asked me if I wanted fries with that.

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scaramouchepart2 2 years, 1 month ago

You should try education. It teaches reason. One must not make generalized assumptions. You only seem to know how to spout one or two phrases, which do not collocate with the discussion. Though I have heard ignorance is bliss.

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Katara 2 years, 1 month ago

It is interesting that you make a comment about getting a job (so the person is allowed an opinion on taxes) in the first post then you make a mocking comment about a fast food job while complaining about those who you perceive as being deliberately unemployed because those types of jobs are not good enough for them.

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 1 month ago

GOP is dead - Jobs are scarce - Crime is UP = RINO's subverted the GOP , the nations economy, the nations job market and are chipping away at citizens rights.

The RINO favorite sport is to replace all republicans with RINO's posing as republicans which is why the GOP is missing in Washington D.C.

This all began when Reagan/Bush came into POWER. Republicans who voted across the aisle in the best interest of the nation became missing in action next voting cycle. RINO's magically appeared. And republicans unfortunately are not paying attention.

Expect Kansas republicans who challenged Brownback to come up against big money out of nowhere such Koch money,Wal-Mart money and ALEC money.

Romney is now RINO status considering the endorsements that are flooding his campaign.

Once again GOP is dead - Jobs are scarce - Crime is UP = RINO's subverted the GOP , the nations economy, the nations job market and are chipping away at citizens rights.

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grammaddy 2 years, 1 month ago

Trickle down. What a joke.We've been waiting 30+ years for a sign of that trickle. Anyone see it yet? I think the GOTP needs a new line.

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Ron Holzwarth 2 years, 1 month ago

You haven't been standing in the right place, grammaddy.

Try standing in the basement of that little house in the back yard.

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Crazy_Larry 2 years, 1 month ago

The "Trickle Down" Theory: The principle that the poor, who must subsist on table scraps dropped by the rich, can best be served by giving the rich bigger meals.

http://i.imgur.com/5sQH1.jpg

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 1 month ago

BRING ON EMPLOYMENT = THE GREATEST RINO FEAR ON EARTH!!!

  • RINO’s posing as republicans fear a dramatically improved quality of life for all WOULD keep them out of control for decades….. we would hope.

RINO’s posing as republicans:

  • Fear a dramatically improved quality of life for all americans

  • Fear Jobs Jobs Jobs for americans

  • Fear New USA industry thus new wealth for america

  • Fear new cleaner energy sources because it would create so many new jobs and reduce rates across the board

  • Fear Improved Medicare Insurance for All = huge tax dollar savings to government,public schools,small business and all of us in general. Single Payer Medicare is the answer. http://www.healthcare-now.org/

  • Fear Clean Collar Industries which produce jobs that cannot be outsourced

  • Fear educated Americans because WE ask questions

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Liberty275 2 years, 1 month ago

Mr Brownback has cut my taxes, now he needs to cut some government and stop talking to unions.

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scaramouchepart2 2 years, 1 month ago

Oh so your one of the top paid few.

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 1 month ago

The trouble with elected officials they often go to the CEO"s of any industry and developers for advice!!!! too often!!!! Then the elected officials walk away still uninformed.

One answer to our political,crime and job problems : CUT OFF special interest financing of elections! YES even at the local level.

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 1 month ago

I say replace all republicans with green party thinkers and 90% of democrats with new democrats each voting cycle.

Think about this. Why do we americans vote in the rich which are supported by the rich to make decisions for the entire middle class and low income?

The rich want to destroy the middle class so they have sent tens of millions of middle class jobs abroad with no job replacement in sight. Isn't their something wrong with this picture?

Ask yourself why do we voters tend to vote for the largest spending candidates? What good has this choice been for the USA and our local government?

Let's demand a new system and vote in Fair Vote America : http://www.fairvote.org/irv/ Demand a change on the next ballot.

Let's have public financing of campaigns. Citizens cannot afford special interest money campaigns for it is the citizens that get left out. Let citizens vote on this issue. http://www.publicampaign.org/

Bribery of elected officials and bribed officials = the most stinky of all bribery!

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Mike Ford 2 years, 1 month ago

you know one can't talk sense to simpletons who mock intelligence and are basically saying landlord let the house go......it doesn't need funds for upkeep.....let it go.....maybe these archie bunkers are slumlords anyway. nothing funnier than hearing a dimwit making their case on the backs of minorities and acting like a slumlord. like slumlord brownback.

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Flap Doodle 2 years, 1 month ago

The copy/paste bot has woken.

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gl0ck0wn3r 2 years, 1 month ago

That makes you the stalker of the bot stalker.

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jonas_opines 2 years, 1 month ago

Stalker of the stalker of the bot stalker?

Stalker of the stalker of the stalker of the bot stalker!

Five times real fast!

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DeckDoctors 2 years, 1 month ago

Yawn...another lib whiner. Trickle down economics works wonderfully! Capitalism is the most just form of economy and if you don't like it move to Cuba, Russian or some other worthless hole of a country who oppose capitalism. Like all libs they take a page from Hitler who believed that if you told a lie over and over soon enough the fools will believe it. Communism does not work anywhere! Capitalism does work, always has and will again once we dump the loser pushing it down our throats.

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Crazy_Larry 2 years, 1 month ago

Trickle down works, if your rich! See where it's gotten us today?!? We've been trickling for 30-plus years.

The "Trickle Down" Theory: The principle that the poor, who must subsist on table scraps dropped by the rich, can best be served by giving the rich bigger meals.

http://i.imgur.com/5sQH1.jpg

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Alyosha 2 years, 1 month ago

This comment evidences a fatal lack of understanding of its terms — Capitalism, Communism, etc.

It's sad to see citizens unable to seriously argue / debate issues in a moral and ethical manner. No moral or ethical citizen need make use of ad hominem attacks or logical fallacies. Those comments that do make use of such unethical and immoral rhetorical techniques are part of the problem, not any kind of solution.

Try harder to be ethical and moral.

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jhawkinsf 2 years, 1 month ago

There is one employer out there for each and every unemployed person. To find that employer, simply look in the mirror. What has happened to that entrepreneurial spirit that drove the American economy for so long? Why all this talk of no jobs out there, wherever this "out there" is? Why the sense of entitlement that someone owes you a job? And not just a job, but a job that pays a certain amount, and has health care, sick time, vacations, mental health days, paid holidays, 401Ks? And let's not forget that the job must be rewarding. If that is your feelings, then you put yourself at the mercy of others, who may or may not share your attitudes. You enslave yourself and then complain that you've been enslaved.
Follow your passion. Do something on your own. Start your own business and become wildly successful. Or fail miserably and learn the lesson of why you failed and then try again. But if you choose to work for someone else, at their terms, you've sold yourself short. If you do sell yourself short, you can't then complain that you've been sold short.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 1 month ago

You forgot the part about clicking your heels three times.

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jhawkinsf 2 years, 1 month ago

I seem to recall some time ago you saying you were self employed. Is my memory correct? If so, is it really that difficult? Rather than some snarky remark, perhaps it would be more helpful if you passed on some wisdom you've gained, some bit of advice so that others might succeed as you have.

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jafs 2 years, 1 month ago

Most new businesses fail, as you probably know.

And, some people are better at picking themselves up and trying again than others.

Many people just wind up bankrupt.

Not everybody's cut out for entrepreneurship.

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JackMcKee 2 years, 1 month ago

this . it's like saying everyone should just go become a MLB pitcher. It just doesn't work that way.

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jhawkinsf 2 years, 1 month ago

Being an entrepreneur is not as selective as being a major league pitcher. But I'll take your analogy further to where it might apply. If you don't have the skill set necessary to be a pitcher, batter, runner or fielder and you don't have the skill set to catch a football, block or tackle, and if you can't hit a "3" or dribble a basketball and you can't cook well enough to open a restaurant and you can't pour a drink and open a bar and if you can't sew well enough to open a clothing store and you can't work leather well enough to open a leather works shop and if you can't repair a small engine to open that type of shop and you don't have the skills to hang a shingle that says CPA, or Chiropractor and if you don't have any skills at all that would allow you to be an entrepreneur, then your analogy works. But then, what skill set do you have that is of such great value to an employer where you can demand a certain wage, benefits such as health care, paid vacations, paid holidays, sick leave, etc? What skills do you have that have such high value to an employer?

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madameX 2 years, 1 month ago

Most of the businesses to which you refer take more that just a skill set to open. They also take capital, which even the most entrepreneurial among us might not have access to. Opening a bar or restaurant? Yeah, that costs quite a bit. Hanging out a shingle as a CPA or a chiropractor? That in and of itself might not cost much, but the education necessary to acquire that skill set is not free.

Besides, where would the bar/restaurant owner be without his or her waitstaff and cooks and bartenders? Where would the chiropractor be without his or her assistant to handle billing, appointment setting, etc.? Support staff are valuable for pretty much any type of business and I hardly see an expectation that staff be compensated by the business owner in a manner that reflects the contribution that they make the profitability of the business as displaying a "sense of entitlement." Maybe no one "owes" you a job, but if they choose to hire you then IMO they sure as heck "owe" you for whatever it is you do every day to keep their business running. If they don't want to do that then maybe they should just do all the work themselves. The employer/employee relationship is reciprocal; a good employer understands that and if you're not acknowledging that you're only looking at half of the picture.

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jhawkinsf 2 years, 1 month ago

Yes, most businesses require capital. But that's not all it takes. It takes hard work and determination. I've opened 5 businesses. One failed miserably. Three succeeded beyond my wildest dreams and one has yet to be determined. What it took more than anything was a willingness to work 80-90 hours per week while taking two days off per year. Sure, it's not easy. But suggesting the relationship between employer and employee as reciprocal (even, the same), well, I must disagree. It's like saying a home owner and a renter have the same investment in a property. They don't. As to your comment that if an employer chooses to hire, then they "owe" you for the value of the work, I agree. But if someone artificially inflates the value, then the employer doesn't owe quite so much. That's precisely what a minimum wage does, inflates the value of the work. If the minimum wage is $7.25/hr. and the value of the work to the business is $5/hr., then the employer is certainly not getting proper value. One of the suggestions that another poster has is to increase the minimum wage to $12/hr. If that happened, what does an employer do with the employee that is worth $8/hr.? That employee would be an asset to a business in an environment where the minimum wage is $7.25. They would suddenly become a liability at $12/hr. The bottom line is this. If there is the desire, an entrepreneur will find the way to succeed. If the desire is lacking, no amount of capital will help.

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madameX 2 years, 1 month ago

I think you're conflating my comments with other people's; I'm not making any proposals about what minimum wage should be. You point out that starting a business takes more than capital, which is fair. My point was that, in addition to an idea and the work that goes into it, starting a business takes capital. I don't think these two points are mutually exclusive. BOTH are needed if you want to get a successful business off the ground.

When I say that the employer/employee relationship is reciprocal, I meant just that. That each relies on the other in some way. How much reliance exists either way varies, but you were sounding a bit like you saw the business owner as some benevolent being who just hires people out of the goodness of their heart and the employees are just sponging off them. Sorry if that's not what you meant, but that's how the "dependent on someone else for a job" phrasing came across to me. And maybe you've started businesses, but I've worked for and manged them. Not all business owners are as hardworking as you. To be fair, I wasn't there at the beginning, but I remember one specifically where where the owner did practically nothing but come in a take money from the register. Everything else was left to me and the rest of the employees. If we hadn't been there there would have been no business and I was pretty much the only one making over minimum wage so guess who was always training new employees because the turnover was so high? And guess who eventually found another job because she couldn't take it anymore? In that instance I would have no qualm with arguing that I was equal to, if not more important than, the owner as far as the continued profitability of the business. But every business is different. I begin to have a problem when any business owner doesn't want to take an honest look at what his or her employees actually contribute and whether or not what they are paid reflects that.

Most of my experience has been that it's far more likely that an employer will underestimate the value of an employee than overestimate their value. If someone is paying minimum wage the work is either very, very low skilled (and I'm aware that those jobs exist) or the employees are underpaid. And if a highly profitable company is paying minimum wage then I strongly suspect that the employees are contributing more than they're getting back.

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jhawkinsf 2 years, 1 month ago

Reading your post made me think of conversations I had with my teenager. He would always tell me that I didn't understand what it was like to be a teen in this day and age. True enough. But I was a teen. He was never an adult. In my dealings with employees, they seldom understood how much money it took to run a business. They saw all that money going into the cash register, they then deducted what they got and assumed I got the rest. But is that true? Few were familiar with how much rent was paid, insurance, worker's comp. Few knew how much in utilities was paid or how much it cost to repair or replace equipment. All they saw was the money going into the register and assumed I was making a lot of money. When business was slow, and they got all the money, they were fine with that. And if business was good, they wanted more. Were they being really greedy? No. I don't think so. But I also don't think they understood all the costs involved. In that way, they were very much like my teenager who tells me he knows everything. I've been in his shoes, he's never been in mine.

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madameX 2 years, 1 month ago

I wish I'd seen this sooner! I failed to mention that in my situation, I was also in charge of the bookkeeping and bill paying. So I knew how much rent was, I knew how much supplies, utilities, payroll, insurance, all of that cost. I couldn't tell you now but I did at the time. I don't have any illusions there: the owner of this business was not swimming in cash. But there were quite a few other, non business things that I wrote checks for that could have gone for raises had the decision been made to do that. Besides, the other part of my point was that in this case, the owner did next to nothing in the way of work to keep the business running. That was up to me and the ever-revolving cast of other employees. Which was ever-revolving in part because it was really, really hard to get paid more than minimum wage there.

I realize that my experience is not necessarily typical and that it's not fair to assume that everyone runs a business the same way that my former boss did. I was just trying to give a real-life example of a situation where (IMO, at least) the business owner was not the main contributor to the success of the business, and the people who did make that contribution were (again, IMO) not compensated in a way that reflected that.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 1 month ago

"If so, is it really that difficult?"

Despite all the empty rhetoric about supporting small business, the powers that be in this society and political/economic system have no interest in creating the conditions where people can really do what you suggest in your post above.

Without access to substantial capital, and an absence of bad luck if not a good deal of good luck, most small businesses are destined to fail within a year to two, and there is plenty of data out there that substantiates that fact. And then the "failures" climb right back into the wage slavery that's there by design and intent.

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Crazy_Larry 2 years, 1 month ago

"There by design and intent", you are absolutely correct. Land of the fee, home of the slave.

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jhawkinsf 2 years, 1 month ago

Bozo, I'd like for you to read my comment above, the reply to Jack, where I spoke of skill sets. I'd like for you to keep that in mind as I speak specifically to you, because of your past calls for a $12/hr. minimum wage as well as your calls for increasing the size of government as a way to stimulate the economy. What we all know to be true about government workers is that they get a lot of benefits. Two weeks vacation is a minimum. Another ten days per year sick time. Twelve days paid holidays sounds about right to me. Some enlightened workers get a couple of days for mental health reasons. If you've worked there for five years, vacations might go up to three weeks. Just off the top of my head, people are getting paid for working 40 hours when they are really working about 33 hours. Add in the $12 minimum wage and you've got people earning that for just showing up, as a minimum, while not having proven themselves to have any skills worthy of that lofty pay. Then add in a retirement package and what you've created is a package so attractive that those jobs are eagerly sought after. They draw from the private sector that actually produces stuff. That should not be the function of government. I've mentioned in the past, repeatedly, that I believe teachers should be held to higher standards, that they act and be treated as true professionals. That would mean a salary much, much higher than $12/hr. By having proven themselves worth more, they should be paid more. And likewise other government workers. If they prove themselves worth more, then pay them more. But the floor that has been set, and an even higher floor that you would like to set, for someone who has proven nothing more than the ability to show up in the morning, that's far overpaying for what you are getting.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 1 month ago

Too many baseless assumptions there to be worthy of a response.

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jhawkinsf 2 years, 1 month ago

Are you completely incapable of carrying on a civil conversation?

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jhawkinsf 2 years, 1 month ago

I suspect that you've made comments just like that so many times that you've convinced even yourself. But no one else.

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chootspa 2 years, 1 month ago

Wow. That straw job sound so full of straw! Can you point us to the minimum wage government jobs requiring no skills whatsoever and only 33 hours of work with 3 weeks of paid vacation time and over two weeks of paid holidays?

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Crazy_Larry 2 years, 1 month ago

Those who are supposed to be hiring are not hiring, no matter how much assistance is given to them. Job creation starts with consumption. If the consumers are not buying products, what incentive do the "creators" have to create more jobs? Absolutely no incentive at all. Demand drives job production. More people with more money in their pockets will lead to more consumption and more demand, which leads the producers to hiring more people in order to meet the increased demand from who? CONSUMERS!

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gudpoynt 2 years, 1 month ago

Demand drives job creation, true.

However, uber-wealth also drives job creation.

After all, only the uber-wealthy have the cushion to ignore economic principles, and create more supply in the absence of demand.

You see.. trickle-down, supply-side econ works great.... you just have to go all the way. You can't halfass it.

We're almost there. Just a little more disparity in wealth distribution should do the trick for sure. I would say if about 95% of the nation's wealth were held by, oh, 0.02%, then we'll be on the fast track.

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chootspa 2 years, 1 month ago

It's certainly a boon for the Scrooge McDuck Swimming Pool co.

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chootspa 2 years, 1 month ago

That's certainly true of the Kochs. They seem to really "need" the help against their horrible horrible tax burden. Otherwise, they wouldn't have purchased so many politicians and think tanks to tell us all about how much they need it. But, as you said, those that need the most help aren't typically hiring people. The Kochs have been laying people off as their revenue has been soaring.

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kansasredlegs 2 years, 1 month ago

Never ceases to amaze how the LJW blog always attacks whatever Republican initiative is discussed and subsequently implemented; however, the same bloggers are no where to be found when the local City & County Commissions dole out tax abatements and "special" incentives to the same, local, upper crust aristocracy time and time again. As long as it's "your" local "Koch" brothers who hire out-of-towners with "our" money, it's all good, uh?

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 1 month ago

I think you're painting with an overly broad brush, there.

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kansasredlegs 2 years, 1 month ago

My comment never said nor implied that the Repub initiatives are good or bad, just found it amusing that anit-pub bloggers on here always complain about Brownback but when the exact same bs occurs right under their own noses at the City/County level, not one word of protest or indignation.

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jafs 2 years, 1 month ago

The problem is that many people do in fact complain about local tax abatements, etc.

So your statement isn't really true.

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JackMcKee 2 years, 1 month ago

which one of the following Kansas Republican initiatives deserves praise?

  1. No sharia law
  2. voting against 25 year old UN declarations
  3. redistributing
  4. destroying the state budget

That legislative session was a failure on every level. Those people should be ashamed of themselves.

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JackMcKee 2 years, 1 month ago

Alas, the captain of Titanic was 10,000 times more competent than Sam.

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weeslicket 2 years, 1 month ago

sam brownback and his conservative republican allies got what they wanted.
now it's just a matter of time before we witness the actual effects of their leadership.

but no worries, i'm sure the liberals in lawrence will be to blame.

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JackMcKee 2 years, 1 month ago

no, they'll try to tell us that the problem isn't too little revenue, it's too much spending. This thing will drag on for years unless the voters get rid of these clowns.

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scaramouchepart2 2 years, 1 month ago

Actually we are already seeing people leaving Kansas in droves.

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Ragingbear 2 years, 1 month ago

Rats abandon sinking ships. Brownback is still here. Therefore, the ship is not yet sinking.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 1 month ago

For unemployment to be decreased substantially, it'll take a substantial increase in deficit spending, and the hiring of more government workers, not the firing thereof.

But unfortunately, ideology, not good sense, rules in the current political climate.

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Crazy_Larry 2 years, 1 month ago

Job creation starts with consumption. If the consumers are not buying products, what incentive do the "creators" have to create more jobs? Absolutely no incentive at all. Demand drives job production. More people with more money in their pockets will lead to more consumption and more demand, which leads the producers to hiring more people in order to meet the increased demand from who? consumers!

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Liberty275 2 years, 1 month ago

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Job growth braked sharply in May and the unemployment rate rose for the first time in 11 months, putting pressure on the Federal Reserve to ease monetary policy further to shore up the sputtering recovery.

Employers added a paltry 69,000 jobs to their payrolls last month, the least since May of last year, the Labor Department said on Friday. In addition, 49,000 fewer jobs were created in the prior two months than had been thought and the jobless rate rose to 8.2 percent from 8.1 percent in April."

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JackMcKee 2 years, 1 month ago

I read this in the voice of Judge Smails

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 1 month ago

I read it in the voice of Mr. Burns. "Smithers! Get over here!"

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chootspa 2 years, 1 month ago

Yes, I hear both those states are virtual ghost towns. Nobody wants to live there, especially not the rich.

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 1 month ago

Oh. is that why you can't find a one bedroom condo for under a million? Those darn poor people, driving up the real estate prices.

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Liberty275 2 years, 1 month ago

(CNSNews.com) - The number of American women who are unemployed was 766,000 individuals greater in May 2012 than in January 2009, when President Barack Obama took office, according to data released today by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 1 month ago

Actually, you were very fortunate. It hasn't been possible to "work your way through college" in well over a decade. You certainly couldn't do it now with the paycheck you would have earned at the jobs you mentioned. As for home ownership, that's a particular slice of the American dream that's drying up for more people than not. So thank your lucky stars you aren't 23 years old now and just starting out because you'd be doing it under a college debt load that would crush Atlas himself and you'd be lucky to be in a financial position to finance a home by the time you're forty.

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 1 month ago

Oh and by the way, I too walked to school in three feet of snow. Uphill. Both ways.

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somedude20 2 years, 1 month ago

Well, old Brownback and his chimps have already sunken this state. Listen to the band play, get limber and hope to god that Rose gets topless cause that is as good as it will get while these jagaloons are our "leadership."

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 1 month ago

"Life is not fair"

The only accurate statement in your whole post.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 1 month ago

"So you believe that whining changes your economic situation instead of action?"

No. Never have said anything of the sort.

But neither do I believe that success is merely a matter of a stiff upper lip and a tug of one's own bootstraps.

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scaramouchepart2 2 years, 1 month ago

LarryNative; I would like to know why you are so desperate to blame people who have lost their jobs and have been looking for work as lazy. A capitalist society does not need poor slave labor to survive. And at present with the new unethical business community - check the reason for the present economic downturn - is providing more and more poor slave labor who are working, but can barely afford a place to live and no healthcare as businesses cut or freeze wages, while not the top management's, double hours to make up for the upper management made shortage of workers, but not upper management, cut benefits of the employee, but not upper management’s benefits and so on. Bush's bailouts went to the very businesses that caused the recession and then what did those business do with the government money. Gave it to upper management. Yes there were a couple of businesses that did the right and ethical thing, but most especially the Bush bailout companies did not.

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Crazy_Larry 2 years, 1 month ago

"Why does it seem that all government wants to accomplish these days is helping those who need the least help?" Because our government is bought and paid for by big business. Remember: corporations are people too.

Public firms' CEO pay sets record in 2011 - "The head of a typical public company made $9.6 million in 2011, according to an analysis by the Associated Press using data from Equilar, an executive pay research firm." http://www.freep.com/article/20120526/BUSINESS07/205260316/Public-firms-CEO-pay-sets-record-in-2011

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 1 month ago

It's a little known fact that sea mammals have distinct arsonist tendencies. Fortunately, they haven't discovered waterproof matches yet.

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 1 month ago

Came across a great quote today. "The "trickle down" theory. The principle that the poor, who must subsist on table scraps dropped by the rich, would be best served by giving the rich bigger meals."

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