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• Thanks to a Heard on the Hill commenter who alerted me to a rumor that Chick-fil-A would be closing in Wescoe Hall’s Underground, but I can report today that it’s not true.
Mike Reid, director of public affairs for the Kansas Memorial Unions, told me this week that he was aware of an online petition calling on the unions to dump Chick-fil-A from Wescoe Hall’s Underground. This came after recent comments from Dan Cathy, the restaurant chain’s president, in opposition to gay marriage (you can Google his name if you’re unfamiliar with the flap that’s been generating a lot of back-and-forth comments from folks on both sides in my social media circles).
Anyway, Reid told me that while he understood where the people who signed the petition were coming from, the restaurant was under contract with the unions until 2014. He said the unions were looking at the situation, but it was unlikely any change would happen soon.
“We doubt if there would be any change until 2014,” he told me.
The online petition was going strong on Wednesday, with 1,175 signatures the last time I checked Wednesday evening.
• I got an initial response back from KU on the open records request I filed earlier about renovations to the chancellor’s and provost’s offices.
It was pretty standard, and came to me within the required three-day window that public entities have to respond to requests from the public.
No records yet, but it does illustrate one point about records requests: namely, that they can be a little cost-prohibitive for members of the general public.
I asked for records relating to itemized expenses for renovations and remodeling of the two spaces dating back to when the chancellor and provost were hired. That’s August 2009 for the chancellor and March 2010 for the provost.
The university, under the law, can charge the person requesting the records for expenses they incur while searching for them.
In this case, they billed me for two hours of business managers’ retrieval and review of the records at $65 per hour, and $1.25 for a CD-R. Payment must be made in advance before they will trudge up the records.
These records are technically “open” to the public, but — in practice, at least — there’s a big enough fee that will likely prohibit most folks from ever taking a glance at them.
Unless, of course, say, a news-gathering company takes an interest and ponies up the cash. Which we did. So we will be paying $130 worth of a manager’s time to dig through the records for us for two hours, and I’ll be sure to let you know what comes up.
• The College of Liberal Arts and Sciences has hired Larry Fillian as its new director of undergraduate services.
He will be in charge of the college’s Student Academic Services office, which provides academic support for students and departments.
He had most recently served as the director of undergraduate advising and assessment at the George Washington University School of Business.
• No need to file an official request to submit tips for Heard on the Hill. Just send me an email at ahyland@ljworld.com.
Comments
frankfussman 9 months, 3 weeks ago
http://www.pitch.com/plog/archives/2011/10/07/student-sues-johnson-county-community-college-over-charges-for-documents Student sues Johnson County Community College over charges for documents
Posted by Ben Palosaari on Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 1:45 PM
cait48 9 months, 3 weeks ago
WOW!!!
frankfussman 9 months, 3 weeks ago
One way to tackle the problem of Chick-fil-A would be a student boycott of the business. However, as it is so popular, that might be difficult. But a sit-in might work.
mommatocharlie 9 months, 3 weeks ago
the "problem of Chick-fil-A"? There is no problem of Chick-fil-A. The problem is that too many people believe in freedom of choice only when the choice is in alignment with THEIR thought and values. Chick-fil-A has always run their business as they are now. Why isn't it their right to practice their conscience? I support them 100%.
beau96 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Could not agree more.
Lawrenceks 9 months, 3 weeks ago
I agree, everyone is entitled to their own option! Just because you don't agree with it is no reason to boycott. Not everyone likes hotdogs either, so what!
mdfraz 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Exactly! It doesn't matter if you are pro-gay marriage or anti-gay marriage. The company has the right to say what they want and to take whatever stance they want. If you don't like it, don't eat there, but to try to shut them down because you don't agree? So much for free speech......
vertigo 9 months, 3 weeks ago
That's called the free market. You shut them down by not going and spending your money at their establishment.
Topple 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Right, that's how I think it should be handled. Guess what, if enough students are so opposed to it, and stop going, their business should drop enough to force them out anyway. If they still turn a profit by being there, then too bad.
You don't get to demand something goes away everytime you don't agree with them.
consumer1 9 months, 3 weeks ago
+100
AreUNorml 9 months, 3 weeks ago
so you're saying that if they made a statement that they were anti-African American, or anti-women, then it would be fine and that's their choice? You are correct, it is their choice, and it's the choice of the society and the consumer to make a statement by not eating there or protesting to bring the bigotry to the eyes and ears of the rest of us. Being anti-gay is bigoted ignorance, and I won't support any organization that chooses to promote that ignorance.
johndeere 9 months, 3 weeks ago
The owner simply said he believes that marriage should be between a man and a woman. He did not say he would not sell to anyone who believes differently. How is that bigoted? He states his beliefs and that is bigoted? Politicians who block their trying to open new locations to serve their customers is bigotry and using their political power to force his belief on the business is wrong, pure and simple. Don't buy from them if you don't want to, but the man has a right to state his beliefs. Politicians do not have the right to block his commerce because the owner's beliefs are different from theirs.
Katara 9 months, 3 weeks ago
It isn't just his personal beliefs. Chil-Fil-A donates millions of dollars to anti-gay groups. They are trying to influence public policy.
Topple 9 months, 3 weeks ago
They're donating to groups that are opposed to same-sex marriage. That's not the same as being an anti-gay group. If my wife and I don't like vanilla ice cream, that doesn't make us an anti-vanilla ice cream couple.
Katara 9 months, 3 weeks ago
The Family Research Council is an anti-gay group. They lobby against LGBT issues.
If you and your wife were were contributing money to groups who are lobbying to make vanilla illegal or legislation that restricts the rights of folks who do like vanilla, that would make you an anti-vanilla couple.
And that is what Chick-Fil-A is doing. The owner is going beyond just holding personal beliefs. He is trying to make sure that everyone else must go by his personal beliefs.
Lawrenceks 9 months, 3 weeks ago
AreUNorml, That makes about much sense as saying because I don't like porn you are going to boycott me? Have you forgotten this is America and you have a right to voice your opinion under the first amendment?? Whether it is moral or immoral, who cares??
AreUNorml 9 months, 3 weeks ago
in America, we can boycott whatever we like for whatever reason we choose. If I find porn to be immoral, then I am free to boycott the industry or user based on that belief. Luckily, I find porn to be enjoyable and completely legitimate endeavor for anyone who chooses to participate or indulge.
As johndeere pointed out, I too do not believe that politicians should be forcing morality on the country, and that goes for abortions, homosexual and interracial marriage, religious preferences, drug use, or any other personal issues. This first amendment you talk about sure gets thrown around a lot when the religious right is offended by an idea or activity that scares them out of their comfort zone. But it's suddenly not as important when the message goes against their ideals. Who is this guy to care what two people do in the privacy of their home? why would he feel compelled to make that statement in the first place? Because he wants to shove his idea of morality down the throat of America and belittle anyone who thinks or acts differently than he does. He would sell a hell of a lot more chicken if he decided to keep is misinterpreted beliefs to himself and not alienate a big portion of the country. But it is his business, and he's free to be anti anything he wants; I'm free to be anti chick-fil-a because of it.
kuguardgrl13 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Exactly. Why on Earth did he feel the need to share his opinion if not to influence others? Many of us were taught as children to keep our feelings to ourselves. Should this not apply to businesses too? We as Americans should be perfectly free to decide if we will boycott a business that we morally disagree with. For KU students, many dislike that our university has a contract with a company that offends a number of students.
rtwngr 9 months, 3 weeks ago
What about the number of students that are offended by homosexuality? Do they have a "right" not to be offended? Regardless of where you stand on the issue, the right to express one's views is protected speech, not hate speech. An organized boycott is a form of bullying with the purpose of silencing the other party.
AreUNorml 9 months, 3 weeks ago
oh no, someone is offended by someone else's personal life? so what? announcing that you're offended is just telling the world that you cannot control your feelings. Honestly, I don't care if someone is gay or hetero, I really don't need to hear about their sex life. That goes double for religious ideology; keep it to yourself.
AreUNorml 9 months, 3 weeks ago
What is normal Mike? Are you the great keeper of that gate? Everybody has something that they have to overcome; something that they want to hide; something that they are afraid of. Normal in today's society means to be just like everyone else, and I want no part of that.
Additionally, the original meaning of my user ID means NORML (National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws). as in, are you a part of this organization or someone who embraces their agenda.
rtwngr 9 months, 3 weeks ago
This is not a Chik-Fil-A corporate position. This is the personal opinion of the top executive at the company. Gays work in their stores. They serve gays. The company is not actively seeking to change any person's lifestyle. If you choose not to patronize their establishment, fine. But actively trying to shut the company down is a form of bullying with the purpose of silencing those that would disagree with you.
AreUNorml 9 months, 3 weeks ago
thanks goodness Christian right wing groups never ever try and do things like that... I'd hate to see what kind of world we lived in if department stores who embraced gay couples were boycotted like this, or if scientific evidence were shunned in favor of religious ideology, or organizations that try to help women were constantly bombarded (or occasionally bombed) by hate-filled picketers; what a terrible world that would be...
Katara 9 months, 3 weeks ago
It is the Chick-Fi-A's charitable are (WinShape) that is donating money to anti-gay groups so that makes it a Chick-Fil_a corporate position.
The company is actively seeking to influence public policy by donating money to groups that lobby against gay marriage and for the restriction of rights of LGBT people.
parrothead8 9 months, 3 weeks ago
You're right...too many people believe in freedom of choice only when the choice is in alignment with THEIR thoughts and values. One of those people happens to run Chick-Fil-A, and it's kind of ridiculous that he uses his religion to justify his belief in discrimination, don't you think? That's the "problem of Chick-Fil-A."
johndeere 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Where does it say he's discriminating? The man simply stated his beliefs.
mich9550 9 months, 3 weeks ago
I agree - Discrimination would mean that they avoid serving a specific population like gays, african americans, etc. They have never refused to serve anyone or asked about your sexual preference. He was asked his opinion and provided it. There mission statement even says that the value the principles of the bible. They have had the same belief since they were founded.
Katara 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Discrimination means working with groups to restrict the rights of others. Chick-FIl-a donates money to groups that actively work to restrict the rights of LGBT people.
The charitable arm of Chick-Fil-A (WinShape) has donated over $3 million to the Family Research Council.
http://www.usatoday.com/USCP/PNI/Nation/World/2012-07-27-ChickfilACulture-Wars_ST_U.htm
johnwoods 9 months, 3 weeks ago
"Why isn't it their right to practice their conscience?"
Why isn't it right for a gay person to marry the one they love? Chick-fil-A is the one fighting these thoughts and values. So why isn't it a two-way street?
Topple 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Cathy asserted, "While my family and I believe in the Biblical definition of marriage, we love and respect anyone who disagrees."
I'm sorry, what about that is bigotry. Anytime someone has a belief different from the progressive liberals they're a bigot?
Where is Chick-fil-A "fighting these thoughts and values?" They donated money to religious charities that happen to be anti-gay marriage. That's not exactly waging war on gay marriage. But progressives love spinning a story to bring attention to their cause.
BlackVelvet 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Exactly!
Mike_Gerhardt 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Exactly! The same people that state cows have rights would gladly deny the rights of a company owner that expressed his views to operate on their campus. What a pack of leftist hypocrites!
jd 9 months, 3 weeks ago
So long as Chick-fil-A doesn't discriminate against gays by not hiring them or refusing to serve them, who cares what the owner's opinion is? Many Muslims not only don't believe in gay marriage, they punish them harshly. I don't see any progressives calling for a boycott of their gas.
dulcinea47 9 months, 3 weeks ago
I agree with a simple boycott. If people stop buying it, the business will fail (at least in this location) w/o anyone having to kick anyone out of anywhere.
Unfortunately I think college students think more with their stomachs than with their brains, but I'd bet that business at the one in the union will drop off at least a little bit since this has been in the news so much lately.
parrothead8 9 months, 3 weeks ago
I think you underestimate college students, and I wouldn't be surprised at all to see business drop off dramatically at the Chick-Fil-A on campus.
oxymoron 9 months, 3 weeks ago
i agree. Put your money where your heart is. The food at Chick is ungodly horrible so it's easy for me to say no. Mr. Cathy has a right to say what he believes and we have a right to say no with our checkbooks.
absolutelyridiculous 9 months, 3 weeks ago
You know, the Catholic Church sold more books for Dan Brown (Angels and Demons) than you could imagine. You might actually be surprised how many KU students actually agree with Chick-fil-A's values...I think they'll actually see an increase in sales. But you can try your boycott. The lines will be short(er).
tbaker 9 months, 3 weeks ago
"...tackle the problem of Chick-fil-A."
How about we tackle the problem of arrogant people who presume to know whats best for the rest of us? Where does this intolerant militancy come from? If you object to the policies of the Chick-fill-A restaurant, simply chose to eat somewhere else. Whats wrong with letting people make their own choices?
Besides, the Chick-fill-A spicy chicken sandwich is awesome. You can’t taste homophobia.
johnwoods 9 months, 3 weeks ago
"How about we tackle the problem of arrogant people who presume to know whats best for the rest of us?"
Exactly the point..but in reverse...why does arrogant Chick-fil-A owner presume to know what is best for gay people? How does gay marriage affect him? He doesn't have to marry a man.
tbaker 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Lets take this to the next level of critical reasoning:
How do a resturant owner's opinions of homosexuals affect the chicken sandwich I want to eat? Thats what concerns me.
This guy is entitled to his opinion just like the rest of us. It has clearly angered some people and I can understand why. They have every bit as much right to be upset with his remarks as he does to voice them. They can boycott his business all they like.
Personally, I think he was insensative, but mostly he was just stupid from a business perspective. Why on Earth would you alienate a bunch of current or potential customers with a remark like that? Sure, believe it all you want, but how on Earth do you make things better for you, and your employees and your business by saying things like this publically?
My problem is with that portion of society who thinks that becuase something upsets them, this now empowers them to impose their views and values on the rest of us. If you don't like something, don't do it. Let everyone else make up thier own mind.
rtwngr 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Because homosexuality is deviant sexual behavior. At least it was considered so by the American Psychiatric Association until the late 70's. No new studies were performed or examined, it was just removed from the list. We came to find out a few years later that homosexual activist groups had threatened APA board members with violence and retribution if these were not removed. You see, that is how radical groups gain traction is they threaten until their enemies cave in. In 35 years, homosexuals have gone from sexual deviants to normal people with nothing scientific to point to except natural law which mates a male human with a female human for the purpose of procreation. Homosexuality goes against the natural order.
AreUNorml 9 months, 3 weeks ago
and once upon a time, blacks were considered to be sub-human. things change, and whether someone else is being deviant, has no bearing on you. the idea that being gay is a choice is ridiculous; we are all individuals and our sexual interests are a sliding scale. additionally, there are plenty of cases of other species exhibiting homosexual behavior as well. Why does it matter to you? do you think that because there are deviants, your chances of expiring to the cloud city are diminished? Are you afraid that if it becomes too acceptable, that you'll decide to try it? Just do your thing and forget about what other people are doing in the bedroom. Seems those that complain the most often are the same ones who are living in a closet situation; ie Ted Haggard...
Topple 9 months, 3 weeks ago
How is saying that he and his family believe in the Biblical definition of marriage presuming to know what is best for gay people? How does having a Chick fil-A at KU affect you? You don't have to eat there.
Topple 9 months, 3 weeks ago
What's wrong, tbaker, is that people are making choices not alligned with the beliefs of progressive liberals. Free thought is fine, until it's not progressive liberal thought.
johnwoods 9 months, 3 weeks ago
A sit-in at their corporate headquarters would work better than a boycott or a franchise.
blindrabbit 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Chick-fil-A: Great t.v. ads, food Ok; problem, too much religiosity for a campus setting. This company is owned and managed by a bunch of Southern fundamentalists from Atlanta, Georgia who are t-baggers and far right republicans who contribute to many anti-gay organizations. Why would KU continue to support this bigoted organizatio
absolutelyridiculous 9 months, 3 weeks ago
And your bigotry is noted as well blindrabbit.
sourpuss 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Wrong. You don't get to point at people who are the focus of hatred and call them bigots for not liking the people who hate them. You don't see gay activist groups protesting the funerals of Southern Baptists. You don't see homosexuals carving "STRAIGHT" into a Boy Scout's arm and leaving him for dead. You can't promote hate, violence and inequality against a group and then claim that group is bigoted toward you. And you 11 "likes" should be ashamed of yourself. No one cares what you believe, people care when you coerce the general society into reflecting your frightened worldview.
tbaker 9 months, 3 weeks ago
I've never seen religiosity at a Chick-fil-A, or any other fast food joint for that matter.
Katara 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Chick-Fil-a is closed on Sundays because of their religion (Sunday = day of rest).
tbaker 9 months, 3 weeks ago
So are you using this as an example of religiosity?
I say good for them!
Katara 9 months, 3 weeks ago
That is their explanation for being closed on Sundays.
JimmyJoeBob 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Maybe because the owner of this franchise and the employees working at this business aren't Southern Fundamentalists and are regular Lawrencians.
swampyankee 9 months, 3 weeks ago
It is called chick -fil-a not dude-fil-a do not go there if you have a problem with them last i knew they were closed on Sunday to support religious beliefs.Maybe the atheists should should start whining too
AreUNorml 9 months, 3 weeks ago
you do realize that there are a lot of gay women as well.. you know, those lesbians you love to fap to; yeah, that's homosexuality too. And as for the atheists, we're joining ranks with the gays because we can't stand the ignorance and have felt the same type of persecution from the same type of people.
Topple 9 months, 3 weeks ago
You can't stand the ignorance. You sound like the discriminatory bigot to me.
Curtis Lange 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Thanks for looking in to the Chick-fil-A rumor. :cheers:
johnwoods 9 months, 3 weeks ago
What was the rumor?
kujayhawk7476 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Regarding the reccords request; the university should charge you $165 per hour for being a pest. No wait, $265 per hour would be most appropriate because of your smart-ass attitude. Typical of the Urinal World.
Curtis Lange 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Awww, are you the person that has to dig through the records for the numbers? lol, someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.
KRichards 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Wow, some serious hate. Take it easy, a lot of us are interested in this request.
KRichards 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Oh got it. Chick fil-a can use the first amendment to judge a group of people, but liberals and atheists (stereotype much?) cannot use the first amendment to voice their displeasure with the beliefs of this company and their choice to shop elsewhere?
absolutelyridiculous 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Read my comments, I never said it wasn't acceptable for you to use your first amendment voice. However, from your response, you prove my point that it's perfectly acceptable for you to judge Chick-fil-A because the values don't align with your own? You are ready to burn and pillage the place. That seems to be a double standard.
Go ahead, boycott the place. The lines will be shorter. The food will be hotter and fresher.
KRichards 9 months, 3 weeks ago
See my question mark? That implies a question, understand?
I will eat at chick-fil-a and could care less the owner's opinion on the issue.
johnwoods 9 months, 3 weeks ago
So now you equate not buying a sandwich with burning and pillaging! Leave it to conservatives to always twist facts.
Topple 9 months, 3 weeks ago
You're kidding right? You must be kidding....
Have you read any of the comments above? This thread is 90% posts by people distorting everything that happened at Chick Fil A.
LarryNative 9 months, 3 weeks ago
The difference is a man was asked his opinion and he voiced his beliefs while those who do not share his beliefs have decided to attack him with a smear campaign and boycott's. It seems that those asking for tolerance have become intolerant of others.
johnwoods 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Where is the smear campaign? I've just seen people repeat what the man said and does. A boycott is a form of free speech too.
johndeere 9 months, 3 weeks ago
...And the mayor of Chicago states chick-fil-a's beliefs are not the city of Chicago's beliefs, while an alderman block's the franchise's ability to open another store just because the owner states his beliefs. Unbelievable the intolerance of the liberals who spew their hatred.
Katara 9 months, 3 weeks ago
It is beyond voicing his beliefs. This isn't a matter of him just stating what he believes how the world should be. His company's charitable arm (WinShape) donates money to groups that actively work to restrict the rights of LGBT folks.
There is no smear campaign. The information is out there and you can look at their financial records to see who they donate to. This only came to light in the general public because he decided to announce his beliefs in a very public way.
asixbury 9 months, 3 weeks ago
I don't like their stance, which they are entitled to, but because I don't agree, I will not eat there. Never had before, so it's not a big deal to lose a customer they never had in the first place. For the same reason, if I had a son, I would not allow him to participate in Boy Scouts because they run counter to my beliefs. I'm not saying Boy Scouts needs shutdown, but they won't get my support.
jackbinkelman 9 months, 3 weeks ago
flagged.
snap_pop_no_crackle 9 months, 3 weeks ago
If individuals don't want to eat at Chick-fil-A, more power to them. The larger issue is that some government officials are saying "we don't want businesses owned by people who express opinions we don't agree with in our town." That is a problem.
absolutelyridiculous 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Bingo! Geez, the far left and the far right meet each other at the end of the circle.
vertigo 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Kind of like strip clubs?
Funny how it's OK when it's a conservative issue that is ok for government to impose restrictions and bans on businesses.
cheeseburger 9 months, 3 weeks ago
He's not setting public policy - He's expressing his opinion. If you don't share his opinion, don't go there. But don't try to shut him down cause you disagree.
Katara 9 months, 3 weeks ago
He is trying to set public policy by donating to groups that lobby to restrict the rights of others.
johnwoods 9 months, 3 weeks ago
You mean government officials in other cities I guess? That is not occurring in Lawrence.
bergerfry 9 months, 3 weeks ago
I have to wonder if Chick-Fil-A does the catering for the Phelps gatherings.
absolutelyridiculous 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Chick-fil-A never "condemed" people to hell like Phelps tries to.
just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Hell doesn't exist, so it really doesn't matter if Phelps condemns people there.
But discrimination against gays does, so condemning them to second-class status is both real and bigoted and should not be allowed, no matter what superstitious claptrap you use to justify it.
just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Intolerance of bigotry is not bigotry. But bigots such as yourself are probably congenitally incapable of understanding such simple logic.
Acey 9 months, 3 weeks ago
And you know this HOW? NONE of those who make up this company share beliefs and actions with the Phelps Group?
absolutelyridiculous 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Gilligan and Mary Ann have successfully found a fresh water supply and thus must now go build a pump now. Added bonus as they discovered the supply also was the native habitat for the Hypocrisy Fish. No more trolling for me today folks.
Perses 9 months, 3 weeks ago
I'v e eaten cardboard with more flavor than most items at Chick-Fil-A.
JimmyJoeBob 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Your comments here are no longer credible after that statement. Chick-Fil-A has the best chicken sandwiches ever. Long live Chick Fil A. All this talk of Chick Fil A sandwiches makes me hungry for one. I am heading up there now.
cheeseburger 9 months, 3 weeks ago
They weren't before either. She doesn't even know what a typo is.
mom_of_three 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Or the students could be upset by these comments he also made during the radio show, according to the examiner. http://www.examiner.com/article/chick-fil-a-anti-gay-president-says-i-pray-god-s-mercy-on-our-generation "He shared this on the Ken Coleman Show about gay marriage in America: "I think we are inviting God’s judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at Him and say, 'We know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage.' "I pray God’s mercy on our generation that has such a prideful, arrogant attitude to think that we have the audacity to define what marriage is about."
Dan Cathy told the Ken Coleman Show host that he is thankful that his father taught him about the value of having a "mother" and "father" in the home. Obviously, he is talking about traditional marriages involving a man and woman.
To further drive his point home, Cathy said that children in homes of gay-marriage parents tend to be emotionally handicapped."
He is just another one that talks "facts" out of thin air and perhaps the students don't want their money contributed to anti gay causes. Because they believe every one is created equal.
Hoots 9 months, 3 weeks ago
I don't agree with the owner of Chick-Fil-A, however the owner of any company can have any opinion they want just as you can. His opinions or belief systems don:t effect me or you one little bit. So lets do some actual financial damage to him...really. Should you be financially damaged every time someone disagrees with you?
vertigo 9 months, 3 weeks ago
That's how the free market works. If someone doesn't agree with your business then they take their dollars somewhere else.
consumer1 9 months, 3 weeks ago
MOve it out of Wescoe so the rest of us can patronize it..
johnwoods 9 months, 3 weeks ago
You can still patronize it while it is in Wescoe. You just have walk a few blocks to get there. Which might be good after each those fried items.
bethlang1998 9 months, 3 weeks ago
There's a business manager at KU making $65/hr?
Onasis 9 months, 3 weeks ago
I found it hypocritical that the petition itself gave numerous quotes from University officials about diversity... not sure exactly what diversity means to them, but to me it certainly includes others with a different background/culture/values/opinions. Therefore, Chick-Fil-A has as much of a right to be on campus as anyone else. If students don't agree with their values as a company, then they can choose not to eat there and not support the company. But how is it fair or working towards diversity for them to take that right away from others because it is not what they believe?
Not to mention, what a bunch of nonsense about it creating a hostile environment at KU. The students working behind the counter there do not care or show prejudice against gay students. They serve everyone. If anyone makes it hostile it will be the gay marriage supporters trying to do a sit in or picket to get them kicked off campus. Or being angry at those who either don't care or agree with Chick-Fil-A and eat there anyways. People who agree with Chick aren't going to picket those eating somewhere else.
Topple 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Diversity is only good when the overarching beliefs conform to liberal progressivism. Otherwise you're a bigot.
If you don't believe in abortion, you support slavery and think women shouldn't be allowed to vote.
If you don't believe in gay marriage you hate gays and meet with the KKK on weekends. If you believe in the 2nd amendment, you're some trigger happy gun freak waiting to kill innocent people. If you have religious beliefs, you're a discriminating, oppressive bigot.
verity 9 months, 3 weeks ago
"Cathy said that children in homes of gay-marriage parents tend to be emotionally handicapped."
Mr Cathy has a right to his views and I have a right to not spend money at his place of business for any reason.
However, he does not have a right to make up "facts."
Topple 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Yea...he actually does have the right to make up facts. Lying is not against the law except under special circumstances that should be obvious and not require my pointing out.
verity 9 months, 3 weeks ago
So you're admitting that he lied?
cait48 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Given that the Federal court just upheld a state LAW that codified lying to women about an "abortion/suicide" link as "free speech", yeah, not only can you legally lie to people, you can even legislate it.
OonlyBonly 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Why are Liberals so liberal and understanding of everything except conservative values? The chain CEO expresses his beliefs and now he's the Anti-Christ. Come on Liberals wake up!
asixbury 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Real Liberals do not accept hatred or prejudice against any group. The only conservative values they object to are those that tread on the rights of another (which seems to be a lot of their values nowadays).
asixbury 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Not hatred, rhetoric against their prejudice and bigotry. All people act like hypocrites at one time or another. It is something I try to examine within myself and adjust when noticed.
johnwoods 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Just doing our best to keep up with the "conservatives."
johnwoods 9 months, 3 weeks ago
He also supports groups monetarily that some consider to be against civil rights and which practice hate speech. Its not just this one instance of a cavalier statement that is getting Chick-fil-A in hot water with customers.
lgreen17 9 months, 3 weeks ago
You paid all that money to find out that they painted and put in new carpet in the Chancellor's offices? You could have seen that for yourself. It's open to the public. In the Provost offices they put in new cubicles (the old ones were from the 1970s). No new carpet and paint. Andy, there isn't a story here. I'm glad they charged you for wasting state employee's time to dig out the receipts!
KRichards 9 months, 3 weeks ago
After what the former provost did to his office, this was warranted in my opinion. Lariviere spent over $100,000 on renovations. http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/feb/24/ku_office_remodeling_tops_100k/?print
Jaded_one 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Chick Fil-A has the right to express their opinion on Gay rights. In doing so they have alienated some current and potential customers. If you disagree with their views just do not eat there. They obviously do not care about the loss of potential revenue. No need for national boycott just make it a personal choice not to buy their products.
rockchalker52 9 months, 3 weeks ago
I'm pro equal rights & pro chicken sammich. Fil-a's are rilly good. Am figuring their agenda will prolly stick to cooking for the most part. Wish they'd open a full blown joint in town somewhere.
snap_pop_no_crackle 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Meanwhile, in Chicago: http://wizbangblog.com/2012/07/26/chicago-values-update-godfather-welcomes-farrakahn/
toe 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Why not open a gay fast food joint serving chicken sandwiches and give them competition?
snap_pop_no_crackle 9 months, 3 weeks ago
How would you know what they did to that chicken before they cooked it?
rtwngr 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Because gay fast food joints only serve hot dogs, donuts, and tacos.
Katara 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Chick-Fil-Gay Sandwich (Chick-Fil-A Copycat Recipe) by hilahcooking
jmadison 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Has it been documented Chick-Fil-A refuses service to anyone based on race, creed, gender,or sexual orientation?
johnwoods 9 months, 3 weeks ago
That is not the issue addressed by the petition.
jmadison 9 months, 3 weeks ago
So you are saying there are no acts of discrimination in their provision of service.
MarcoPogo 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Limbaugh's Chicken and Waffles!
Hoots 9 months, 3 weeks ago
This whole idea in Christianity that marriage is some kind of thing ordained by God is false if you look at the much longer history of marriage. Marriage predated Christianity by many centuries. Marriage was at its roots a business arrangement between two families where there was no consideration of love or romance. The church would have you believe differently in conflict with true historical fact.
KansasPerson 9 months, 3 weeks ago
I'm not sure I'm following you. Where are you getting the impression that Christian beliefs about marriage have anything to do with "love or romance"?? Christianity was around at the same time as the view of marriage as an arrangement to produce legitimate heirs.
asixbury 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Marriage predates and is not unique to Christianity. That is his point.
lawslady 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Back on the record issue - (for the record, I support the 1st Amendment all the way = even when someone "says" things that I really dislike or don't agree with. Don't like what you hear? Turn it off, avoid that business etc.). Under the Kansas Open Records Act (KORA), the actually costs associated with providing copies or access can (but do not have to be) charged to the record requester. Why? So that the general public does not end up funding hours/days/weeks of reviewing, copying, etc. just so the requesters (usually the press) can get copies of records that they need/want. 99% of record requests are NOT from the general public, but rather from the press, who make MONEY re-selling that information. In my opinion, it's disingenuous to claim you are concerned for the general public who can't afford to pay for the work associated with record requests. Rarely does a mere tax payer ask for the number of recores, spanning the same lengthy time frame, that the press routinely requests. It is the Open Record Act. Not the "help the press dig up dirt" Act.
Next time, just ask for access to (see not get copies) the records first. A simple look at the books for the months in question may reveal the information you are seeking (and more), which could take far less time and cost you far less money.
oletimer 9 months, 3 weeks ago
1175 people who don't believe folks have the right to think what they want? Figures. Most are KU students probably. I agree with Chic-Fil-A. Marriage should be between a man and a woman. That's the way it was originated, and should still be. If you would get honest answers from people, I am betting a huge majority would say the same thing. Same old deal. The small minority is making the big noise, thinking that makes them right. If phelp's cult of radicals can get away with their crap, anyone can and should.
asixbury 9 months, 3 weeks ago
You believe in inequality then, if you do not grant the same rights to homosexuals as heteros have. Religious views aside, what good reason can there be for this type of discrimination? Tradition does not matter if the tradition is wrong.
snap_pop_no_crackle 9 months, 3 weeks ago
The mayor of Boston seems to have backed away from his hyperbole. http://bostonherald.com/business/general/view.bg?articleid=1061148712
RETICENT_IRREVERENT 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Nothing will come of this petition. KU watched the City Of Lawrence get over-ruled by Compton and Walmart, because some thought Walmart did not share "community values". Now every time Compton says jump, the city says "how high do you want to build your building?".
kuguardgrl13 9 months, 3 weeks ago
I have to believe this is different though. If the petition is brought before student senate or the administration, there is reason to believe that it would at least be seriously considered. Student opinions do matter because we give the university thousands of dollars each year. If a large number of students don't like something that our money pays for, it behooves them to consider that. Having Chik-Fil-A could very well affect whether a potential student chooses to apply to KU or not. While not every student wants to boycott Chik-Fil-A or have them removed from campus, they have certainly offended a fair number of students. Shouldn't democracy rule what businesses are allowed on campus?
The_Big_B 9 months, 3 weeks ago
EAT MOR CHIKIN
Hoots 9 months, 3 weeks ago
I wonder how many people here boycott their friends if they are on the other side of an issue? If they do then they must go through friends fast. Actions hurt people not opinions. People act like the Chick-Fil-A guy beat a baby seal with a bat while slapping their MOM. People sure are getting sensitive in this country. Generation "Cry Baby"...
vertigo 9 months, 3 weeks ago
For those that like Chick-Fil-A chicken but hate what they stand for:
4 chicken breasts;
1 C pickle juice
2 eggs
1 C flour
2 T sugar
1 tsp salt
1 tsp paprika
1/2 tsp pepper
1/2 tsp dried oregano
1/2 tsp dried basil
1/4 tsp garlic powder
1/4 tsp onion powder
peanut oil for frying
Pound chicken to desired thickness. Marinate in pickle juice overnight (or no less than 1 hour) MIx eggs in bowl Mix dry ingredients in separate bowl Dip chicken in egg wash and dredge through flour mixture Pan fry, deep fry, or pressure fry (this is how Chick-Fil-A cooks them) until cooked through.
rtwngr 9 months, 3 weeks ago
If Chik-Fil-A started serving chicken hot dogs and chicken tacos, would that appease the gay community?
vertigo 9 months, 3 weeks ago
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. " - Billy Madison (1995)
Valid.
meganstuke 9 months, 3 weeks ago
It cracks me up when people say things like KU would be squelching free speech if they booted Chick Fil A. Chick Fil A certainly has every right to their stance on the issue. And KU (or whomever else) has every right to boot them for it. That's how that works.
yourworstnightmare 9 months, 3 weeks ago
Serving salty, mushy chicken sandwiches to customers too dim to be able to pronounce "filet".
Their food and business are abominations, not to mention the CEO's embarrassing, misguided "beliefs".
Chick-filet represents the dumbing down of America at it best.
Dee nie mor rites
snap_pop_no_crackle 9 months, 3 weeks ago
In other news from the chicken sandwich front: http://wizbangblog.com/2012/07/30/ny-city-council-speaker-stands-up-against-freedom-of-speech/
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