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Letters to the Editor

Higher law

January 24, 2012

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To the editor:

“Repealer keeps anti-gay law on books” read the Jan. 20 front page Journal-World headline.  Bottom line of the article is that the gay community and those who support the community are very angry at Gov. Brownback for not adding this law to his list of 51 state measures to repeal.  They even cite the fact that the Supreme Court has a different position from Kansas law.

The reality of this is that God has an anti-gay law, an anti-stealing law, an anti-murder law, etc.  It really doesn’t make any difference who approves or disapproves the anti-gay law. God almighty has decreed that the gay lifestyle is sinful, like all the sins listed on his sin lists.

The good news is that God has also provided a way to be redeemed from this and any other sin (except the unforgivable sin) by God’s saving grace accessible only through belief in the sanctifying work of Jesus Christ. We all sin and fall short of God’s glory, but God gave His only begotten son as a payment for our sins, a debt we couldn’t pay.  

If you want to see a list of consequences related to the gay lifestyle, read Romans 1:28 to 32. Don’t stop there, read John 3:16 (Tim Tebow’s trademark verse) and Romans 6:12-23 to get a statement and summary of the good news of Jesus Christ.

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Gandalf 2 years, 2 months ago

citizen1 how does this fit in with your higher law theroy?

Dr. Roselli, a researcher at the Oregon Health and Science University, has searched for the past five years for physiological factors that might explain why about 8 percent of rams seek sex exclusively with other rams instead of ewes. The goal, he says, is to understand the fundamental mechanisms of sexual orientation in sheep

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/25/science/25sheep.html

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Stuart Evans 2 years, 2 months ago

I hope that you're not wearing mixed blend fabrics, or have any tattoos, or heaven forbid you ever worked on the sabbath. for we would most certainly have to put you to death. See Leviticus.

You want to tinker in what you think god(s) want, but you are just cherry-picking to support your own ideology.

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citizen1 2 years, 2 months ago

Thanks for the correction I typed incorrectly.

Sorry but time & events require I leave this dialogue. Good luck.

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citizen1 2 years, 2 months ago

Ultimately you are asking for equal rights based on behavior, which is an unalienable right.

Unalienable rights are legal rights that are based on the latest rulings & thus subject to change overtime.

The lgbt community still needs to win hearts & minds for true acceptance. Regardless of what is said here, acceptance is the goal & the thinking is the courts will given them acceptance.

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citizen1 2 years, 2 months ago

Well if all of that is the case, then why the up roar in this dialogue.

All I have been saying remains true. The true issue is gaining public acceptance. Rules, laws, whatever, the issue is public acceptance. The issue is winning hearts and minds.

Human nature must be dealt with.

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citizen1 2 years, 2 months ago

I am asking the questions because this is the reason why society has not granted what you request. By your tone you are trying to make this personal, and in so doing avoid having to acknowledge & deal with why your request has not been granted, ie; public acceptance.

You are trying to combine personal behavior & the individual to justify a claim to equality. Again I say equality deals with people abstractly, it is not about behavior. That is the problem with your argument.

The issue is not about equality between men, it is about the behavior between men.

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citizen1 2 years, 2 months ago

Ebyrdstarr, there you go again, with your bias showing. Just because I raised the question does not say anything about personal preferences. But so what if I did?

Sodomy is one of the issues the glbt issues centers around. Please reread my comments objectively. I have been very careful in what I am posting.

This is why progress is difficult.

Earlier in all of these posts there wad a reference to the constitution and "all men are equal", it really states created equal. But no one is denying equality of men. Society is debating behavior of men & women.

Society distinguishes between types of behavior, and has laws governing behaviors.

The discussion is about behavior not equality among men.

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citizen1 2 years, 2 months ago

ebyrdstarr you misjudge me. I have never voiced an opinion one way or another. You just assumed that, thus showing a prejudice as I make a post. If you were objective you would realize I have been explaining why you are not achieving what you are requesting of society.

I am not requesting laws to approve or disapprove the type of recognition one seeks.

That is the problem with having this discussion. Prejudice exists on both sides.

I keep saying both sides must engage in real objective listening, and the approach needs to change.

Remember it's hearts & minds your after.

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citizen1 2 years, 2 months ago

Ebyrdstarr that is part of the problem. Some think any behaviors goes, others think some behaviors should not be treated cavalierly.

I know you & others do not like that, but as I keep saying, your approach is not winning hearts & minds.

If the glbt lifestyle is to gain acceptance, you must change hearts and minds.

So far the approach used by the glbt community & their supporters is not working. I don't care how mad folks get at the thought I am trying to share with you to help you, but unless you change your approach nothing will change.

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citizen1 2 years, 2 months ago

Ivalueamerica, that is the problem with trying to have a serious conversation on a serious subject. Pretty soon someone with nothing to add starts with the name calling.

Just because someone does not agree with you does not make them homophobic, nor does it make them filled with hate.

Those comments & that kind of a thought process is why this issue will not be resolved anytime soon.

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ivalueamerica 2 years, 2 months ago

Psychoanalytic theory holds that homophobia -- the fear, anxiety, anger, discomfort and aversion that some ostensibly heterosexual people hold for gay individuals -- is the result of repressed homosexual urges that the person is either unaware of or denies. A study appearing in the August 1996 issue of the Journal of Abnormal Psychology, published by the American Psychological Association (APA), provides new empirical evidence that is consistent with that theory.

Carl Burkhead has been consistently and repeatedly jumping on the pro-homophobia Pro-discrimination issues since at least 2007 *just search this site for his name.

things that make you go HMMM.

In other words, if by chance this is the case for him, he is not to be judged for his homophobia and hate in the name of God, he is to be pitied for his inability to reconcile his nature with his environment.

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esteshawk 2 years, 2 months ago

Also, if you are not comfortable with ANY kind of sodomy, youve led a boring and wasted sex life. . .

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citizen1 2 years, 2 months ago

Jafs sorry but society, in general, does not agree with you. I have no stake directly. But I am a member of society just like you. The lgbt are not winning hearts & minds. Until that happens the equality issue being discussed will persist.

Sorry but just like the lgbt, human nature is involved on both sides.

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citizen1 2 years, 2 months ago

ebyrdstarr, maybe that is part of the problem, "That thrusting in your face" part. You see where are the merits of the lgbt argument? All we here are demands. Making demands is not making a case for your point. Demands only create animosity. To ever arrive at a solution the temperature must get turned down. Demands and irrational behavior only raise the temperature.

I have laid out several questions above and all they do is get ignored. All I hear is "I want what I want & I do not need to justify myself". Well, sorry but that is not how it works. If you are asking for something from someone, then you need to present a case such that the someone is inclined to agree with you.

Where is the compromise on the lgbt part? Society has offered a compromise, yet you turn that down. Agreements start with compromise. Sometimes complex issues need to be addressed in parts over time

No one has even attempted to answer the questions I raised regarding sodomy above. How about a good start in achieving the lgbt desire by offering help to interested people in dealing with that issue?

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citizen1 2 years, 2 months ago

Well Jafs, the problem is the glt's haven't given society (those who will vote to approve the glt lifestyle) a reason to do so.

You see the problem is the glt's don't have a legitimate reason to deal with concerns society has, beyond "I believe I deserve what I want". That is a childish argument.

Society changed on the other comparisons you mentioned because there was reason to do so.

The glt's have not provided compelling evidence to change hearts and minds.

That is why that is my last words. There is nothing being said to help move us forward.

Sorry but it is not up to society to convince the glt's of their position, society is not asking for a change. It is up to the glt's to present their case to persuade society.

Until there is meaningful progress, see you.

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jafs 2 years, 2 months ago

It's always disappointing when people can't argue their points clearly, and back them up.

It seems to me that on this issue, those opposed to equality for homosexuals, etc. don't ever do that, and instead just talk about what "society" thinks, as if that's some sort of basis for denying equal rights.

That wasn't true in the past with women and black people, and it's not true now with homosexuals.

There was a time when "society" thought that women shouldn't be permitted to vote or own property, that black people could be enslaved/lynched, and that inter-racial marriages should be outlawed.

Thank God we don't still think that way.

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Gandalf 2 years, 2 months ago

How about god made all men. Samual Colt made them equal.

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citizen1 2 years, 2 months ago

Jafs that is the problem society does not share your cavalier distinction. That is why this issue will not be resolved with that attitude. The glt must recognize societal concerns. Anything else is selfish. I am out of this discussion.

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riverroad 2 years, 2 months ago

Well,I own several higher powers-My old Browning 50 cal.may be watching along the river,on my land-No more target shooting should be allowed within the river boundries--You idiots put three holes in the windsheild of my big tractor while i was standing beside-HIGHER POWER_HUH!!!!!!!-----Roe you better shoot on your own land!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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citizen1 2 years, 2 months ago

Jafs the problem here is one needs to distinguish between inalienable & unalienable rights.

The glt request/demand falls in the category of unalienable rights.

One issue society is struggling with is sodomy.

Given societies promiscuous behavior & recent headlines those that would grant those rights are not ready to even consider the issue of legalizing glt marriage/relationships.

As an example how does society reconcile sodomy versus molestation? At what age is sodomy okay? I know the glt community does not like the word, but how else does one describe the sex acts they perform. Granted this ignores the love relationship.

Thie glt lifestyle question is complex & society moves with caution on such issues.

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Gandalf 2 years, 2 months ago

Why is it that people who think the world and universe is too complex to have been created, except by intelligent design, have no problem believing that a supreme being came forth from nothing complete with supernatural powers?

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citizen1 2 years, 2 months ago

Jafs just because someone or group adopts a certain lifestyle or set of behaviors does not mean those behaviors or lifestyle is automatically eligible for legal status.

nor does it mean they should be considered or granted same.

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citizen1 2 years, 2 months ago

Jafs as I said earlier, you can not force people to agree to something that goes against their nature.

The glt community has not persuaded others that the glt lifestyle is something they should support.

Rightly or wrongly it is how glt is viewed. People dressing up like Klinger from Mash, and parading around to show their pride in what other parts of society consider deviant behavior is not going to win hearts & minds.

The glt lifestyle is viewed as outside the normative values of society.

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citizen1 2 years, 2 months ago

Never said anyone was forcing someone to be gay.

As far as wanting the same rights? There is little being denied to anyone. With regard to the marriage issue is it possible that the gay position has not been accepted because society as a whole is not convinced it is necessary?

My point remains, intolerance on both sides is gaining neither side what they want. Legal or not, it is not possible to force someone to accept anything that is against their nature.

Demanding, demonstrating, shouting, arguing gains neither side what they want.

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esteshawk 2 years, 2 months ago

The issue, Mr Birkhead, is that our Constitution means you cannot force your religious beliefs on others in the form of laws. It is quite clear anti-sodomy laws are based on Christian teachings. An earlier poster noted let God enforce His laws. I say let the clergy preac Gods will, and keep the government where the founding fathers wanted it: out of religious debate.

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tange 2 years, 2 months ago

God created man in his image. Problem is, far too many men render "God" in their own.

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lamb 2 years, 2 months ago

Thank you Carl! Well said.

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citizen1 2 years, 2 months ago

Ignoring the "sin" discussion, ask the following question: "During the course of evolution, why did sex evolve in fauna"?

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voevoda 2 years, 2 months ago

Lots of things are sinful, according to the Bible, but they aren't illegal. God's law is anti-blasphemy, but the Constitution protects it. God's law is anti-paganism, but the Constitution protects it. God's law is anti-coveting, but the Constitution protects it and our capitalist economic system promotes it. And that's just from the Ten Commandments. Even adultery is prohibited in the Ten Commandments, but Mr. Burkhead doesn't advocate making it illegal. So he's really inconsistent here.

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beatrice 2 years, 2 months ago

Have the South Park guys trademarked the Book of Mormon?

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Kirk Larson 2 years, 2 months ago

"...read Romans 1:28 to 32. Don’t stop there, read John 3:16 (Tim Tebow’s trademark verse) and Romans 6:12-23..."

And then read Matthew 6:5-7, one of my favs! (take that Tebow)

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Matthew Herbert 2 years, 2 months ago

For all of you who believe those in academia are all left-wing liberal nut jobs preaching socialism to your children, I present to you Professor Carl Burkhead from the University of Kansas (civil engineering, I believe). From now on, I will direct each and every Conservative to this letter when they accuse teachers of being politically one-sided.

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Agnostick 2 years, 2 months ago

"The reality of this is that God has an anti-gay law, an anti-stealing law, an anti-murder law, etc."


Fifth Commandment: Thou shall not kill.

Seventh Commandment: Thou shall not steal.

?????????????? : "Thou shall not gay up and flame unto thyself and others."

Yeah. So, Carl, if it's so important, how come it didn't make the Top Ten list?

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labmonkey 2 years, 2 months ago

Again... we should all receive permission from Warren Jeffs before we are allowed to have any kind of sex.

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Agnostick 2 years, 2 months ago

Tim Tebow trademarked the Bible? WTF???

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overplayedhistory 2 years, 2 months ago

The root of all homophobia is homosexual christians. It is the only rational explanation. Why else would someone be so preoccupied where and in who others put their parts? Given that there are plenty of things in the bible that you whack jobs pay absolutely no attention to, so why so much focus on gay sex? It is really kinda gay.

Don't hate out of the closet gay people because god has not struck them down. Join them so us heterosexuals who don't give a flip can get along with more important business facing us.

Check Charles computer and I bet you find gay porn.

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RoeDapple 2 years, 2 months ago

My High(er) Power was made by Browning . . .

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 2 years, 2 months ago

"The reality of this is that God has an anti-gay law,"

"God almighty has decreed that the gay lifestyle is sinful, like all the sins listed on his sin lists. "

You will pardon me I hope if I deign to totally disagree with your religious zealotry.

All the written texts on "God and :His law" and any other religious doctrine was fabricated by men who wrote it all down to try to explain what they did not understand or were frightened of. King James of England ordered the current edition that is most usually used by religious folks had the King James Bible fabricated to his approval in 1611 by a committe who was working for the king. Failure to adjust their labors to the king's wishes would cost them their heads, ergo, the King James Bible is really all the religious zealotry and prejudice of the King of England.

Your use of this imaginary account of what ancient peoples take on a divine entity to verify your apparent prejudice and bigotry is understandable. Many poeple who do not bother to learn where these texts originated and who take the word of some preacher who is eager to get his hand in your wallet fall victtim to all who seek to control their lives (and votes).

Newt Git rich is on the tube preaching to his fawning followers about how he and God are tight. Disgusting.

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ST3V3N 2 years, 2 months ago

There's a lot of good lessons in the Bible but you can't take every word literally. If we did we would all be gouging our own eyes out and stoning each other to death (even though "thou shall not kill"). The Bible was written by MEN, not God and has been rewritten and translated many times. Act with love and understanding, don't judge, do unto others....and try to live as Jesus did.

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tolawdjk 2 years, 2 months ago

Can't believe I actually took a class this man taught at KU.

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somedude20 2 years, 2 months ago

Maybe this "god" you speak of should work on cleaning "its" own house (you know dem priests get frisky in the rectory) with those young young boys.

Btw, how is Santa doing? I bet he is still tired from delivering all of those presents!

Now, if you want to talk about real things, how about Bigfoot? Bigfoot may hate gays (but I bet the Loch Ness Monster is bi)

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Liberty275 2 years, 2 months ago

Why would god care if a person finds contentment in the arms of a man or a woman? If I was god, I wouldn't care what you do with Little Carl as long as everyone involved consents.

This is the type of disconnect that exposes god as a lie.

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woodscolt 2 years, 2 months ago

If the right wing fanatic wackos could only see the irony in their idiocy. Here this nut case is trying to impose his fanaticism on other people while failing to see that he is the one that is out of step. He doesn't see that his bigotry and hate for people who don't live their lives according to him is the real problem and continued threat to this country not the people he chooses to condemn. Well, hopefully your god can see pity in your ignorance.

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mom_of_three 2 years, 2 months ago

They also used the bible to justify slavery.
Do you advocate that? The bible says we also should not steal, lie or dishonor our parents, and yet people do that everyday. When will I see a letter about that?

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geekin_topekan 2 years, 2 months ago

God hates Carl. He took a reasonable man and turned him into a blabbering zealot.

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Paul R Getto 2 years, 2 months ago

"Those are a man's writings (Paul) some twenty years after Jesus passed. " === Bishop Spong has a fascinating treatment on "St." Paul. http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1991-02-09/features/9101070671_1_spong-episcopal-diocese-bishop ========Another interesting read: The Body and Society: Men, Women, and Sexual Renunciation in Early Christianity. Peter Brown. Columbia University Press. New York. 1988 ========= In the end, I doubt omniscient gods of any stripe really care what we do. The preachers like to assert this because the fear they can impose pays their salary and housing costs.

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jafs 2 years, 2 months ago

This lte shows some of the problems with some religious believers.

He has a right, under our constitution, to his religious beliefs, and I wouldn't try to take them away. He's free to believe whatever he likes about God, gay people, etc.

The problem is he doesn't seem to understand that this is his belief, he actually thinks it's factual - that he knows for a certainty that God exists, and how his "laws" work.

And, I like the way he minimizes the SC decision by calling it a "different position" from KS law - the SC decision isn't simply a different position, it's the defining position for the nation as a whole.

That's how SC decisions work.

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FalseHopeNoChange 2 years, 2 months ago

I thought they said you couldn't tell the difference?

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its_just_math 2 years, 2 months ago

Gonna be a long LJW day! You've stirred up a hornet's nest of pro-gay commenters Mr. Burkhead. Good letter btw.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 2 months ago

At least Fred Phelps is honest about his bigotry.

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Getaroom 2 years, 2 months ago

Carl, Carl , Carl!

I am sure your JESUS GOD blesses you, however Carl, THE JESUS GOD is telling your personal Jesus God to make a return flight to Flat Earth - ASAP -and that means pronto Carl!! "Signs of Life" are at stake here Carl so return to your unround holy land, grab another BIBLE, one that has Proof of Authenticity(like your Cubic Zirconia diamonds) and make sure it is Certified by THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY and come back later, or not. Apparently the copy you have retained as "THE MATERIA TRUTH of GOD'S WORD" is wrought with Unrepentant Free Will Original Sin and is the work of the AntiChrist and most likely the very one used by the Tribunal del Santo Oficio de la Inquisición. Unless you are fond of killing jews and faggots, I suggest you burn your current issue and drive stake through it's unholy paper heart prior to committing it to Hell Fire.

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jaywalker 2 years, 2 months ago

"Romans 1:22 - Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man"

Methinks that line best describes you, Mr. Burkhead, and this letter. Thanks for the citation.

God has not "decreed" anything against gays. Those are a man's writings (Paul) some twenty years after Jesus passed. The only thing God did was make homosexuals in his image, meaning they're just like you, Carl, exactly like you. With the exception that they probably don't perpetuate this kind of bigoted stupidity.
No, homosexuals are made in God's image just as he desires, they're born that way, it's not a choice. And if it's not a choice, not an example of free will, then it has to be how they were meant to be. Either that or he made a mistake and he's up there right now, looking down upon his creation, muttering to himself, "Me-dammit! I left homosexuals and marijuana plants all over the place!"
I don't think that's the case, however.

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beatrice 2 years, 2 months ago

The Bible says those who work on the Sabbath should be stoned to death.

Tim Tebow flaunts working on the Sabbath. Thus ...

When people make the argument about others "attacking" Christians, it only takes a letter like this to indicate that it is more like self defense.

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Pastor_Bedtime 2 years, 2 months ago

So you say. Meanwhile my message to you: Keep your god out of our bedrooms, and perhaps keep your own house in order. Your wish for a Sharia state simply won't fly any more. High time to tax your churches.

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grammaddy 2 years, 2 months ago

If you don't like gay folks blame straight folks, They're the ones who keep making them.

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RoeDapple 2 years, 2 months ago

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Roland Gunslinger 2 years, 2 months ago

Why does God continue to make homosexuals if He is anti-gay?

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Keith 2 years, 2 months ago

If God has an anti-gay law, let him enforce it, and keep the state out of it.

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Joe Hyde 2 years, 2 months ago

Yes, but...

Only two weekends ago didn't the New England Patriots show Tim Tebow what it feels like to be the center on a Greek football team?

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