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Kobach-supported immigration bills probably stalled, Kansas leaders say

February 17, 2012

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After four days of emotional hearings, legislative leaders said several proposed immigration bills supported by Secretary of State Kris Kobach are probably dead.

“I don’t sense the support in the Senate for that kind of legislation,” said Senate President Steve Morris, R-Hugoton.

House Speaker Mike O’Neal, R-Hutchinson, said, “I don’t have a burning desire to address immigration this year.”

O’Neal said he doesn’t want to pass a law that guarantees putting the state in litigation “just for political expediency so somebody can have a good vote.”

House Democratic Leader Paul Davis of Lawrence said the more people learn about the effects of similar Kobach laws in Arizona and Alabama “the more people shy away from the direction he wants to go.”

Kobach was a leading force in passage of Senate Bill 1070 in Arizona, which would require police check the legal status of anyone they have stopped and suspect may be an illegal immigrant. That part of the law is being challenged in court.

He also helped pass a law in Alabama that goes further by requiring public schools determine the citizenship status of students and making it a crime to knowingly rent housing to an illegal immigrant.

Kobach has urged approval of similar bills in Kansas. “Unless Kansas acts, we will become the No. 1 destination for illegal aliens in the Midwest,” he said.

Several business and religious leaders lined up in opposition. They said the bills would lead to racial profiling, and make the state less safe because undocumented workers would be unwilling to volunteer information to police about crime activity for fear they would be deported.

Morris, however, said there is quite a bit of support for a bill that would allow some undocumented workers to apply for a legal status that would allow them to work in Kansas industries facing labor shortages.

Senate Democratic Leader Anthony Hensley of Topeka and Davis said they believed if the Legislature does approve any immigration related bill, it will be a measure that would require use of the federal database E-Verify to check on the citizenship status of government employees and contractors.

O’Neal said the complexities of illegal immigration make it difficult to come up with a consensus. “What may work in eastern Kansas,” he said, “may not work in western Kansas.”

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Roland Gunslinger 2 years, 6 months ago

It appears common sense is starting to spread in the Legislature.

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Stuart Sweeney 2 years, 6 months ago

Only because the fall elections are looming!

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KS 2 years, 6 months ago

"O’Neal said he doesn’t want to pass a law that guarantees putting the state in litigation “just for political expediency so somebody can have a good vote.” Vertigo, I hardly call that common sense. Someone not caring if we can have a "good vote"? This guy needs to find out what a good vote would be and that is to vote him out of office. With an attitude like that he should neve be allow to serve. Unbelievable!

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 2 years, 6 months ago

Wow, some folks are finally gettng the gist of this guy and his burning hatred of Democratic Voters who vote. . It is about time that some cold water be thrown on the devious and destructive efforts of this elected official who is spending a lot of his time on the job out of state spreading his concentrated hate and discontent among the klan members and national socialists in other states.

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TinmanKC 2 years, 6 months ago

Oh just wait... the right wingers will let let the budget, transportation, health and education all wait until the last minute so that they can get litmus test votes on wedge issues like this. They have their eyes set on 40 right-wing seats in the Senate and use this issue and others to put sensible republicans on the record just before the August primary.

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Vivianne 2 years, 6 months ago

It's a good thing those bills didn't go anywhere. They are just hate-filled legislation anyway!

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frankfussman 2 years, 6 months ago

'The people in charge have decided Hispanics have no place in Alabama' - video "They turned over a new Negro. They call them Hispanics." http://apps.facebook.com/theguardian/world/video/2012/feb/15/alabama-immigration-law-hb56-video

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frankfussman 2 years, 6 months ago

Try this link, it might work better. 'The people in charge have decided Hispanics have no place in Alabama' - video "They turned over a new Negro. They call them Hispanics." http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2012/feb/15/alabama-immigration-law-hb56-video

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Shelley Bock 2 years, 6 months ago

Kobach wants to be able to show potential employers in other States that he has the ability to convince Kansas, his home state, that the legislature will accept his plans. If Kansas doesn't, he's not able to show that his plans have merit to those who know him best.

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Michael LoBurgio 2 years, 6 months ago

Boy it has sure worked good in Alabama!

Kobach slammed in Alabama

In an editorial headlined, “Alabama paying for failed ‘experiment,’” The Mobile Press-Register leads off by declaring that: Alabama allowed itself to be used as a guinea pig on illegal immigration so that a Kansas lawyer could build his political career

Kobach, of course, helped Alabama state legislators write the harsh anti-immigrant law that has had severe unintended consequences. The Press-Register sums them up: It has embarrassed the governor, discouraged industry, scared legal immigrants and, according to a recent report, been a drag on the state economy it was supposed to help.

The editorial concludes, bitterly: In return, what have we gotten for playing the guinea pig? Crops rotting in the field, a net loss to the economy, higher racial tensions and a PR black eye, to boot. Does any of this matter to an up-and-coming politician in Kansas? Sure doesn’t sound like it. Anyway, it’s just part of Mr. Kobach’s Alabama experiment.

In place after place, laws drafted by Kobach have either been declared unconstitutional or proven disastrous. Yet he happily forges ahead, representing the state of Kansas as an elected official and acting as an adviser to Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney. How many editorials will it take before people figure this guy out?

Read more here: http://voices.kansascity.com/entries/kobach-slammed-alabama/#storylink=cpy

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Michael LoBurgio 2 years, 6 months ago

If you take the ba out of Kobach you get a KOCH!

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 6 months ago

Well, you can tell it's an election year.

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Clara Westphal 2 years, 6 months ago

Kobach is one of the few that cares about what happens to the rest of us.

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JackMcKee 2 years, 6 months ago

2014 can't get here soon enough.

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JackMcKee 2 years, 6 months ago

the vast majority of Catholics support Obama's reproductive policies. Maybe you don't read very much. That might explain most of your posts.

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tomatogrower 2 years, 6 months ago

Are you sure this isn't a friend of a friend? I can't imagine a mere acquaintance would give up this much information about her family. How do you know what the kid gets?

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jayhawks911 2 years, 6 months ago

That giant sucking sound is our money going to to the middle east and the Pan Pacific. Mexico not nearly as much. Our illegal population is only here because our republican run business are hiring them. Prosecute them and you will see the biggest export Kansas has dry up and go away.

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Jimo 2 years, 6 months ago

“Unless Kansas acts, we will become the No. 1 destination for illegal aliens in the Midwest,” Kobach said.

The only way for that to happen is for Kansas to become the No. 1 locus of economic activity in the Midwest. Odds? 100:1

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deec 2 years, 6 months ago

It depends on how many more meat factories they build. I guess that's why there's a bill now at the state legislature to make corporate hog CAFOs easier to set up.

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Orwell 2 years, 6 months ago

Asked to comment, Rep. Virgil Peck (R-Tyro) declared open season for helicopter hunting of Sen. Morris and Speaker O'Neal.

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Brittanicus 2 years, 6 months ago

So the question simply is? Why ANOTHER AMNESTY? It’s because previous administration intentionally never intended to enforce the laws back then or today! They have caused this undying dilemma, as they did not make illegal entry a felony? Kennedy certainly didn’t? As usual the American people have been played for fools! Anything that smells of rigid enforcement has been killed or weakened, to clear the way for the free movement of cheap labor and new blocs of votes for Democrats. The heritage Foundation has analyzed the consequences of a new AMNESTY, which will not only give untenable numbers of illegal families, but even more access to government benefits; retirements as well, they have never paid? Then once settled allowed to sponsor whole families, whom will end up being another financial burden on taxpayers.

Unlike the last Amnesty the people are very much informed via the Internet of the consequences, and will lay siege to every Senator or Representative. Just like E-Verify (The Legal Workforce Act), or the newly introduced Birthright Citizenship Act and other new enforcement laws, they will try to pass another new Amnesty. We should demand use the full use 1986 act (IRCA) without restrictions and strictly enforce its laws as it was intended? States are under the enforced burden of entitlements by court ordered UNFUNDED MANDATES, which are severely hurting citizens and legal residents.

The American people need to fight back against the illegal immigration occupation, before it too late. Our nation is suffocating under the relentless invasion, which our politicians have ignored for decades. For reasons beyond most people’s understanding, they have blocked any successful way of restrictions of foreign nationals that have swarmed into every community in this nation. The numbers from government sources and other biased sources proclaim there are only 11 million, with numbers dwindling. However nobody in their right mind believes these numbers, as they have drudged up consistently over the last 10 years ago, without any change. Tucson Border Agency says for every one person that is apprehended 9 disappear into our country. My guess by that, the numbers are infinitely far more and in the neighborhood of 20 to 30 million. 8 million illegal workers at the least escaping detection in the job market and that's why we need E-Verify?

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Brittanicus 2 years, 6 months ago

Perhaps that is why our government has sided with the business sector, to just identify--ONLY--new hires. Therefore, millions are not discovered, because they are already working somewhere, undetected? Federal, state county and city don't want you to know, who has already slipped past any enforcement process. I suggest that's why E-Verify have become a menace to corporate welfare. But E-Verify had gained plenty of impetus, and the Democratic leadership led by Sen. Reid, Speaker Pelosi couldn't slip it past public awareness or popularity amongst honest businessmen. Even Republicans cannot shift the whole blame on Democrats, as equal indifference must be attributed to both parties. Of course we always need exceptional highly skilled engineers, scientists, mathematician’s technical personnel, or the estimated 1 million new arrivals annually. We positively do not require semi-skilled workers, or non-skilled, low income, poor foreign nationals who will become a public taxpayer charge, as it is now?

Now the American people must contend with another Amnesty, assuming President Obama can force it through, as with the Obama-care (Medical care for anybody.) But then who pays for the millions already here, or those who try to slip past before the signing? Another amnesty just means more will try to get here, attracted by the possibility of another Immigration Reform law. Not just the overworked border agency, but expired tourist and students at airports. So much is involved in processing new immigrants, which the whole weight falls on the taxpayers that would cost over 2 trillion dollars (studied by the Heritage Foundation.) Once here they can sponsor more family members, including those who would spend uncompensated time in emergency rooms, yet another burden for luckless taxpayers. Just read the predicament the Sanctuary State of California. This really is the time when jobless American or any citizen and legal resident needs be a member of THE TEA PARTY caucuses. Only together can we stop this travesty of our immigration laws?

Whatever our party consideration, we need to make it clear to all politicians that America belongs to THE PEOPLE-not to the open border demented fools, pariah businesses or the politicians themselves. There are three main enforcement tools within the United States, the E-Verify, and 287(g) local police alien enforcement and ICE raids. The TEA PARTY Caucuses to raise public awareness of the connection between illegal immigration and unemployment. To pressure the Obama Administration to vigorously enforce the laws against the employment of illegal aliens, work to implement legislation that will protect U.S. jobs from the impact of illegal immigration (especially to make E-Verify mandatory) Working to defeat legislation that will put U.S. jobs at risk from the impact of illegal immigration (especially to defeat amnesty.)

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Brittanicus 2 years, 6 months ago

The Tea party movement has many objections to the Republican establishment and the majority certainly doesn’t agree with everything the contenders of the White house. But then Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, Ron Paul would be a great win for America, as each have promised they would halt the draining of public entitlements to illegal aliens and give full reign to ICE to investigate and place in detention the millions of foreign families living illegally there. In California, Governor Brown has done nothing to rid the Liberal oriented legislators in Sacramento pampering illegal aliens, cutting back of citizen’s aid. Taxpayers were originally shoved to the back, when they voted for Proposition 176—that would eliminate benefits to illegal families, which were compromised by secret manipulation?

The schools system has slowly deteriorated to the bottom rungs of performance with crammed classes of illegal immigrant children and the inability of teachers to offer a decent education to the offspring of American parents. In the last decade the prison system has been placements of last resort, for the rising crime rate of illegal immigrants from across the globe, with some of the heinous perpetrators still living within our Border States. Border state hospitals including California are overrun by illegal alien families who cannot afford to pay, leaving the bill for the taxpayers to collect the tab. These are all UNFUNDED MANDATE laws passed by activist judges in the courts and must be amended, as America is going broke. We must also preserve our electoral system as that too has been compromised; non citizens are voting and without any doubt, specific in close run races in each layer of government. Every citizen has a right to vote, but to stop fraud identify themselves with official picture ID.

Go to numbersusa.com to learn the ropes of stopping this travesty. Don't forget to call your Senator or Representative at 202-224-3121. Don't forget to give your state incumbent lawmaker an ultimatum; NO RE-ELECTION VOTE. We are a sympathetic people, but Americans must come first and any lawmaker who represents the illegal immigrant, must be kicked out of office. This is not mean-spirited; this is survival of our nation, our flag and our language. American jobs for American people. Learn about the rampant corruption at Judicialwatch.org. OVERPOPULATION is another hidden issue, which will cause major environmental problems by 2040. Go to the website of ‘American Patrol’ and research what is mostly concealed by the Liberal Press.

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deec 2 years, 6 months ago

Ah, Brittanicus, the Merrill of immigration threads. :)

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 6 months ago

Hey! He was smart enough to learn how to copy and paste. It does appear, though, that Merril has competition. Difference is that Merril (usually) links to what he/she copy and pastes and doesn't plagiarize.

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 6 months ago

And by the way, Britannicus, the Heritage Foundation? You're using the Heritage Foundation as your source for this claptrap? Did it ever even occur to you that the very people that fund this BS are the ones that benefit from it? I thought not.

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fearthetaliban 2 years, 6 months ago

When native born Americans wake up and say they will do tough manual labor jobs the immigration "challenge' will end. You and I both know few native born folks would even last four days in roofing, ag, hospitality, meat packing, landscaping etc etc. As any employer who does the real work and sweats it the fourth day as hard as the first. America is built on productivity and there's no doubt who has the positive ROI.

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camper 2 years, 6 months ago

Today I tip my hat to the Republicans in the House. Sense prevails if you give it time?

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JackMcKee 2 years, 6 months ago

When O'Neal won't support Kobach's policies you know Kobach's days are numbered. This is the second time Koback has struck out in a row too, the last one was the special big game permits for Brownback. O'Neal must have run out of witty emails to forward, he's actually doing his job.

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olefactory 2 years, 6 months ago

From above -- House Speaker Mike O’Neal, R-Hutchinson, said, “I don’t have a burning desire to address immigration this year.”

That's cool Mike. Will you allow some illegals in to your house for food, shelter and medical care? I'd rather you pay for it. I don't want my tax dollars paying for it.

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deec 2 years, 6 months ago

Would you prefer to pay double or triple prices for meat and produce? Because that is what will happen if the illegals all suddenly went home.

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Buzzm1 2 years, 6 months ago

head 'em up, move 'em out

mandate E-Verify nationally for jobs and entitlements,

and let's get the show on the road

Illegal Immigrant Workers http://bit.ly/hnHEbs

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