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Feminist author featured at Kansas NOW event

February 14, 2012

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Feminist writer Amanda Marcotte will be featured during a panel discussion at 7 p.m. Thursday at Ecumenical Christian Ministries, 1204 Oread.

The event is free but contributions are encouraged to support the work of the Kansas chapter of the National Organization for Women.

Marcotte has written two books, “It’s A Jungle Out There: The Feminist Survival Guide to Politically Inhospitable Environments” and “Get Opinionated: A Progressive’s Guide to Finding Your Voice.”

She also blogs at Pandagon, Slate’s Double X, and RH Reality Check.

Following the panel discussion, Marcotte will have a book signing.

Comments

UltimateGrownup 2 years, 10 months ago

As a reminder, feminism is one of two possible kinds of sexism. In posting this article, the LJ World is signaling its support for sexism. This is repulsive.

dah 2 years, 10 months ago

that's a heck of a thing to bring into a christian church. feminism is a strike against christ & his faith. feminism is satanic & wants to usurp a woman's role. no wonder there is so much confusion. women have become masculine, alone, lesbian, confused, not wanting a man & his role, no family life, etc. because of this blatant attack on them. i urge people to boycott that event. see www.henrymakow.com

beatrice 2 years, 10 months ago

My how women who think for themselves must scare you. Satanic even? Oh my that is funny.

grammaddy 2 years, 10 months ago

Right. God just hates it when people take control of their own lives.

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 10 months ago

Wait. Didn't God do that deliberately when he kicked Adam and Eve out of Eden? Give them control of their lives? Isn't there a doctrine of "self determination" in the Bible? And does this mean ministers can now whip people to the altar?

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 10 months ago

Feminism is "sexism" the way Sam Brownback is a "Christian".

beatrice 2 years, 10 months ago

Feminism is the radical concept that women are people. Period.

beatrice 2 years, 10 months ago

Not dead or disapeardeded, just busy. Also, as Newt Gingrich (of all people) said recently, how can you debate things with people who tell lies? The formerly banned and now returned users have no problem with writing blatant lies and don't care when called on it. Amazingly, this behavior is now allowed. What fun is it to debate with people who have such an amazingly low opinion of their own beliefs that they must make things up to support their arguments? I can't help but to think the level of discourse allowed right now on these boards is far lower than it has ever been.

voevoda 2 years, 10 months ago

Feminism liberates men, too. The postings above demostrate clearly that it's still very much needed.

parrothead8 2 years, 10 months ago

I just don't know how women will survive without your financial support.

beatrice 2 years, 10 months ago

So you are saying that women shouldn't want to enjoy the outdoors, hang with their friends and absolutely shouldn't just be themselves, right? So how should women be -- in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant? Sounds to me like your sister's clients are immature boys who can't handle the idea of being with a real woman.

Once again, I am not at all surprised to see you taking the same side of a social issue as do members of Fred Phelps' church and the Taliban.

Brady Swenson 2 years, 10 months ago

I once again made the mistake of reading the comment section of an LJ World article. More power to you, beatrice, for engaging the ignorance and bigotry here, but I wouldn't expect much from your efforts.

Armstrong 2 years, 10 months ago

Ok Bea, Grammdy and Cait. Here is what I just don't understand. On the one hand we are supposed to support the lowest common denominator of people because they are too lame to get off their butts and fend for themselves, otherwise the right are "haters, hate mongers, nazi's..... Per your own posts just now and I copy / paste from this award winning site

cait48(anonymous)replies…

Wait. Didn't God do that deliberately when he kicked Adam and Eve out of Eden? Give them control of their lives? Isn't there a doctrine of "self determination" in the Bible? And does this mean ministers can now whip people to the altar?

grammaddy(anonymous) says…

Right. God just hates it when people take control of their own lives.

beatrice(anonymous)replies…

My how women who think for themselves must scare you. Satanic even? Oh my that is funny . So independence is only good when its about women? The right leaning posters seem to talk a great deal about self support and taking responsibility for yourself while taking lots of $^% for it. Please explain

Katara 2 years, 10 months ago

Many of the right leaning posters don't actually practice self-support or personal responsibility.

Have you actually read their posts?

Armstrong 2 years, 10 months ago

Really ? Which ones, and feel free to tell me how they do not practice self-support or personal resonsibility

Katara 2 years, 10 months ago

Have you read any of George Lippincott's blogs? You know the ones where he complains about property taxes? That part where he forgets that he decided to purchase a higher valued house and that no one forced him to make the financial decisions he did(house rich cash poor) is a pretty good example of not practicing personal responsibility.

Or how about Its_just_Math (under whichever username you choose)? Have you read his posts about how he doesn't have to work because his wife has a high-paying job? That really doesn't sound too much like self-support there. I don't begrudge him the ability to be a stay-at-home parent or househusband but it certainly doesn't seem like he is doing much in the way of taking care of the house & other domestic chores (many stay at home moms or housewives have very little time to post on forums as frequently as he does).

Those are 2 of the more vocal of the right leaning folks.

There is a poster by the name of bd (I think that is correct) who's main contribution is to ask "Tea anyone"? That is not talking about personal responsibility or self-support.

Additionally, I did a quick review of your posts. I don't find much in the way of talk about personal responsibility or self-support in them.

Can you point out how the following comments do either? http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/feb/14/brownback-administration-supports-bill-critics-say/#c1959876

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/feb/13/debate-starts-kansas-legislature-illegal-immigrati/#c1958261

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/feb/13/house-gop-tax-cut-proposal-would-also-cut-highway-/#c1958231

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/feb/13/capitalism/#c1958211

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/feb/13/capitalism/#c1958155

Katara 2 years, 10 months ago

cont'd

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/feb/13/capitalism/#c1957478

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/feb/11/under-fire-obama-adjusts-stance-birth-control-poli/#c1955839

http://www2.ljworld.com/onthestreet/2012/feb/08/what-does-feminism-mean-today/#c1951896

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/feb/03/divorce-ban/#c1950002

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/feb/03/divorce-ban/#c1948631

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/feb/02/its-high-noon-not-morning/#c1946528

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/feb/01/one-term-gov/#c1945683

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/jan/31/kansas-group-ask-senators-repeal-sodomy-law/#c1944520

I went all the way back to 1/31/12 on your posts, I didn't see anything talking about self-support or practicing personal responsibility.

Perhaps you could tell us why? They are obviously very important issues to you or you wouldn't have brought it up as a challenge. I am interested in your explanation as to why the majority of your posts are personal attacks on others or anti-Obama cliches instead of offering solutions that encourage self-support and the practice of personal responsibility.

Armstrong 2 years, 10 months ago

George - financial Math - wish it was me bd - never heard of the rest keep lookin , and nice job of missing the point

Katara 2 years, 10 months ago

So you aren't going to provide an explanation as to why you don't offer solutions that encourage self-support and the practice of personal responsibility?

And are you now claiming not to be a right-leaning poster?

You wanted examples. You make an excellent one.

Katara 2 years, 10 months ago

Additionally, nice non-answers.

I have no issue with having a dialogue with you about self-support and personal responsibility and how the Brownback Administration encourages neither but it appears you are not interested.

I answered the question you asked. It is your problem if you don't like the answer.

Armstrong 2 years, 10 months ago

I answered the questions. You just don't like the answer. Additionally if you look over my posts overall you will find them to be as I claim.You come nowhere close to answering my original post. Going on the attack then clouding the debate with bs does not answer the question except maybe in your mind. Side note, ya may want to back off the caffine

Katara 2 years, 10 months ago

No, those were non-answers from you.

There really isn't any debate going on here. You tried to get into some other folks' butts about their comments and when someone else answered, threw out some bunk in response.

If you are concerned about those "right leaning" posters getting flack about their "numerous" posts on self-support and personal responsibility perhaps you should become less interested in the personal attacks (as that is what your complaint seems to be about) and more about dialogue that encourages solutions that incorporate self-sufficiency and personal responsibility.

Your concern probably would be taken more seriously if you took that route. Otherwise it makes you look like a big ol' hypocrite. And you wouldn't want that, would you?

Katara 2 years, 10 months ago

Additionally, your original post starts off with a false premise (i.e. people who are on welfare are too lazy to find a job). None of the posts you quoted used any of the loaded terms you claim.

Perhaps you are simply oversensitive to the plight of our right leaning friends on this award winning site and got a bit overexcited and made statements you couldn't honestly defend. You should go to bed and get some much needed rest to calm yourself down.

Armstrong 2 years, 10 months ago

Focus, here is the original question.

So independence is only good when its about women?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 10 months ago

So far you've staked out the territory that women are the chattel slaves of their husbands (or fathers or brothers or pimps.) So how would you answer the question you posed? (before you get all pissy because others haven't.)

Armstrong 2 years, 10 months ago

Good Lord. The point is / answer is independence and self-support are not something specific to women or womens issues. Independence regardless of gender, religion, orientation is what everyone should strive to achieve. I find it ironic some of the posters typically left leaners are posting about independent and self-supporting on one hand but post the lefts montra " poor me " on the other hand. Posters to the right are usually beaten up regularly for expressing those "radical" views of self reliance

Katara 2 years, 10 months ago

That was not the original question. It was one of several questions that you asked, aside from the specific question for examples you asked me.

The first questions was implied - "Here is what I just don't understand. On the one hand we are supposed to support the lowest common denominator of people because they are too lame to get off their butts and fend for themselves, otherwise the right are "haters, hate mongers, nazi's..... Per your own posts just now and I copy / paste from this award winning site."

You were wanting an explanation for this behavior but ignore the fact that you start off with a false premise. I would posit that the questionable behavior you lament is because of the false premise that you and many right leaning posts hold.

Independence being only good for women was your second question.

The problem with this question is that none of the posters you listed claimed that independence is only good for women or even implied such. Their responses are to the post that indicated that women's independence was a very very bad thing.

Perhaps you missed the post their responses were to? It was made by a "dah" on 2/14/12 @ 10:06am.

Your last question (actually a request) makes a false equivalency to right leaning posters discussing self-support and personal responsibility and getting flack for it to a post that was blaming women's independence for the evils of the world and their responses to it.

The question to me,specifically, I answered.

I also requested an explanation as to why, if you are concerned about self-support and personal responsibility being taken seriously and without flack, that your posts lack discussion on those things and instead focus on personal attacks on others.

I am interested in the explanation.

parrothead8 2 years, 10 months ago

Who is the "lowest common denominator of people" you are talking about? Perhaps you're talking about people on welfare or unemployment? That couldn't be it, though, because that's a very dynamic, changing population. More than 50% of people who go on welfare get off of it within 12 months (over 75% within 24 months), and it's not because "they are too lame to get off their butts and fend for themselves." Those are people who fell on hard times and relied on a system THEY PAID INTO THEIR WHOLE LIVES to help them out in their time of need.

Independence is good for those people, and it's good for women, too. You know what else is good? Giving folks a hand when they're down, and making sure the playing field is level when they get back up.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 10 months ago

psycho's comment was either incredibly sexist or very facetious. Which are you +10ing?

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 10 months ago

Dear Kat, I remember some time ago asking its_just_math (under whatever incarnation he was in at the time) how he ever expected to truly discuss things with people and "change hearts and minds", given that he couldn't write two sentences without tossing off an insult. He replied that he didn't want to have serious discussions with people nor was he really interested in changing minds. I realized something at that point: math, bornagainamerican, phoenixman and other "right wing" men on this board could really care less about what you, I or anyone else think. It's a big boys club to them; a place to meet and and give wedgies to who they see as the weaker boys and tie knots in the girls braids (and maybe feel up a boob or two). Their posts are one big "circle j...", well you get the point, as they try to out do and impress each other. They speak pompously in platitudes and sound bites from Fox News about "Responsibility" without ever taking any themselves or even really knowing what "responsibility" really is. And they all envy the one guy who managed to wiggle his way into getting his wife to support him. Seriously, Kat, don't bother. To quote my dad, "Feed the monkey, watch him sh..." Well, once more, you get the point.

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