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Debate starts in Kansas Legislature on illegal immigration

February 13, 2012

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— State legislators on Monday started a week-long debate on immigration policy ranging from allowing undocumented workers to stay in Kansas to measures aimed at chasing them away.

First up was a bill endorsed by business and religious groups that would allow undocumented workers who had no criminal record and who had been working in Kansas at least five years to apply for a legal status that would allow them to work in Kansas industries facing labor shortages.

Rep. Reynaldo Mesa, R-Garden City, told the House Federal and State Affairs Committee that House Bill 2712 would help the agricultural economy in southwest Kansas and keep workers’ families together.

“I challenge my colleagues to put the politics of this issue aside, and truly analyze this bill on its merits,” Mesa said.

But several committee members questioned whether businesses that hired workers under the proposed program could face penalties from the federal government.

Chairman Steve Brunk, R-Wichita, asked why would workers “self-identify” to seek legal status if the federal policy could change and place them in jeopardy of deportation.

Testimony also spilled into bills that will be heard later this week that seek to crack down on illegal immigration.

House Bill 2578 is similar to laws approved in Arizona and Alabama that would require law enforcement to check citizenship status of people who are detained and a “reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien.”

House Bill 2576 would establish criminal penalties for harboring illegal immigrants. Bishop Scott Jones of the United Methodist Church said the proposal could turn him into a criminal for preaching to people who may be undocumented.

“Please don’t send me or my preachers to jail for our obedience to Christ,” he said.

Comments

Gareth Skarka 2 years, 10 months ago

Absolutely hilarious that the State that is literally as far as you can get from ANY border is wasting time on this topic.

Wait.

Not hilarious.... what's the word?

Oh yeah: RIDICULOUS.

John Hamm 2 years, 10 months ago

Until you consider the number of illegal immigrants in Kansas then it isn't.

jhawkinsf 2 years, 10 months ago

Maybe if they weren't out there, our teenage sons and daughters could make a few bucks in the summer. I did. Oh, yeah, that was before we had 12 million illegal immigrants.

MomTaxpayerCitizen 2 years, 10 months ago

I live in Kansas, and lately I see more Latinos who can't speak English as I do citizens. I've had friends and relatives driven to poverty, unable to compete with foreigners in the workforce who don't pay taxes and whose families are supported by U.S. government handouts. We have more hit and runs now committed by foreigners who have no respect for us or our laws. My mother lost her only transportation when a vanload of Mexicans ran a red light and totaled her car. They knew just enough English to tell her, "No driver's license" and "No brakes." My son's friend was left to bleed to death on the side of the road after being struck while riding his motorcycle at night. No call to 911 and no assistance. No, not hilarious at all.

bad_dog 2 years, 9 months ago

"My son's friend was left to bleed to death on the side of the road after being struck ..."

Did this involve the same vanload of Mexicans as the one that totaled your Mother's car?

blindrabbit 2 years, 10 months ago

Does this mean that Herr Koback will have to give up his out-of-state consulting work and return to his "full-time" S of S elected position in Topeka. Is he still selling used cars at his family auto dealership for spending money?

Flap Doodle 2 years, 10 months ago

If you don't think there are illegal aliens in Kansas, you are not paying attention.

David Reynolds 2 years, 10 months ago

What part of illegal don't people understand!

The bill is needed because illegals get as far from the boarder as they can.

They work everywhere, did packing, construction, landscaping, restaurants...everywhere.

question4u 2 years, 10 months ago

Undocumented workers will continue to come to Kansas as long there are businesses that will employ them. Impose fines or jail time on employers who hire undocumented workers, and Kansas xenophobes will be able to rest easy in their beds at night.

Shelley Bock 2 years, 10 months ago

You must think that illegals come here for the fun, thrills and welfare. Not the case. They come to the US for jobs. They do the jobs those on welfare wouldn't ever think of doing. They work for minimum wage for long hours. (I know of one individual who worked an average of 16-18 hours per day, 7 days a week on two jobs.) What's funny is that the illegal often works hard, but children born in the US often lack the same hard working goals of their parents. They're the ones who get onto welfare and food stamps. They learn quickly.

Oh, illegals aren't just from Latin America. They also come from Europe, Asia and Africa. Those from Latin America are more visible since they are always working in restaurants, construction business, dairies, farms or other service type jobs.

Being an illegal comes with the threat of economic slavery. The employer knows (don't kid yourself that they don't) their status and can pay them as little as possible, possibly even stealing wages from them. They have little recourse and are vulnerable.

Questions of citizenship aren't matters for the individual state or locality. It should be a matter for the Federal government. Unfortunately, the art of compromise has been lost so a "qualified amnesty" that would be sufficient is a difficult task. Adoption of Kobach inspired legislation will cause the type of economic catastrophe seen in the South. Or the embarrassments of arresting German or Japanese businessmen who are visiting industrial operations in those Southern states. Soon, legal foreigners will distance themselves from the stupidity of local mandates and take their businesses elsewhere. Same way we now exclude the masses of foreign students from coming to the US. They want to study in the US, but getting a visa is a logistical nightmare and tedious act. They go off to the United Kingdom and gain an attachment for countries other than the US.

Isolationism, xenophobia, it is. It is unfortunate and it hurts the US. I'm sure you'll like that, so feel safe from the rest of the world. Wave at them as they pass the US by.

JayhawkFan1985 2 years, 10 months ago

I wonder what the Native Americans thought when Europeans first showed up without green cards and no desire to understand local customs or languages. Our nations success was built upon the willingness of people's from around the world to come here and work hard. Native Americans, African Americans and Mexican Americans got a bad deal for a long time. Sometimes they still do.

The republicans perpetuate these problems with legislation like this. they just hate people and want someone to blame for their problems. I say open the borders to anyone who wants to work.

Armstrong 2 years, 10 months ago

." I say open the borders to anyone who wants to work." Maybe they could start with working your job, assuming you work

Jan Rolls 2 years, 10 months ago

Yeah right americans are flocking to roofing jobs, lawn care jobs, dishwashers. Get real.

ronaldjoe 2 years, 10 months ago

They will when we start arresting those that support illegal aliens in any way shape or form!

KS 2 years, 10 months ago

Talk about ridiculous! And just what do you do with the ones that don't want to work?

JayhawkFan1985 2 years, 10 months ago

I enjoy what I do so I'll never work a day in my life...LOL

progressive_thinker 2 years, 10 months ago

Paul: Your post is on the mark. An interesting article regarding the impact of immigration legislation on the Alabama tomato growers is located at:

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9Q5JJF81.htm

It is telling that there is a coalition of Kansas businesses banding together to allow illegal workers to remain in state. I am sure that the readers of this forum are familiar, but if not, an interesting article is located at:

http://www.kansas.com/2012/01/31/2197588/kansas-business-coalition-allow.html

I am presuming that the "coalition" is comprised of large scale commercial feedlot and packing plant operators. The jobs offered by these businesses are hard, dirty, and sometimes dangerous. As well, the pay is poor. These are the jobs that are often done by immigrants, sometimes immigrants who are in the US illegally. That is part of why we have a low cost food supply.

Stuart Sweeney 2 years, 10 months ago

Until business and industry starts paying living wages, that are now going to excessive profits to further enrich the entitled, there is no way to stop the influx of undocumented workers (illegals). To say Americans will not do some types of work is not true--they will not do it at the pitifull wages being paid, so the "illegals" who have nothing at home come to do it. Never in the imaginations of the Kobachs and Brownbacks of the world has the thought of a living wage come to mind. Put decent pay and work conditions on the table and alot of the problems these clowns are trying to legislate away will disappear!

KS 2 years, 10 months ago

And let's make that living wage a mininum of $100,000 per year so we can all be entitled!

shanep 2 years, 10 months ago

You should check your use of "to/too" before you call others ignorant.

tolawdjk 2 years, 10 months ago

Call it a plum fairy if you want, still damn funny in a statement calling others ignorant.

shanep 2 years, 10 months ago

Case and point. You were given a chance to review your comment and change any typos you may have made. Failing to proofread is just as much an example of ignorance as not knowing the difference between too and to.

gudpoynt 2 years, 10 months ago

Here's some footage of Kansas House Republicans putting forth their ideas: http://bit.ly/zmhJmt

Brittanicus 2 years, 10 months ago

There is only one concluding way to rid illegal aliens from the United States, which is throw out those radical Politicians, Governors, mayors, judges police chiefs and every elected official, city manager and councilman who are anti-sovereignty and pamper them with taxpayer dollars. Their oaths of allegiance are meaningless to them as they have shown by their pro-illegal immigration agenda's. Both political parties have been complicit in the flood of illegal migrants and immigrants that is estimated to be well over 20 million, not the numbers calculated by the US census bureau? Our only chance of stopping this scattering pestilence is to support the business mandatory E-Verify program and the Birthright citizenship Act that must be introduced in Congress right now. Join the TEA PARTY, the People's Party of America and vote a senate and house into office, displacing all those politicians and elected officers who protect illegal migrants and immigrants. These old party agenda is profit, votes and exploitation, and are in collusion with churches, unions, foreign governments and radical organizations and special interest groups. Illegal immigration has been forced on taxpayers through ‘UNFUNDED MANDATES’. These acts include free health care, free schooling, and has attributed to the loss of safety-net for Americans; coerced on citizens and lawful residents by liberal influenced courts.

Frosty Wooldridge said in his latest article:

Every indicator that our country is failing shows up daily with 15 million unemployed, 7 million underemployed, 46 million Americans subsisting on food stamps, $700 billion annual trade deficit, $15 trillion national debt, endless wars that cost $15 billion monthly and thousands of kids dropping out of high school daily. I have said it before: illiteracy defines a third world country. With 42 million functionally illiterate Americans, we are well on our way. Nonetheless, Congress pumps over 125,000 immigrants into this country every 30 days. I am beyond exasperated as to why and how we can do this to our country.

Learn more at NumbersUSA, how the government is defying the U. S. Constitution and the laws that govern us. Investigate even more the terrible penalty our nation pays, for unending spending on foreign nationals at American Patrol. Seek out your politician either by phone at 202-224-3121, or go their office in person. Proclaim to them they are–OUT–if they vote for any kind of AMNESTY, disguised as Comprehensive Immigration Reform.

gudpoynt 2 years, 10 months ago

"scattering pestilence"? nice.

i hope to someday be a bigoted fake patriot like you someday. If only i can rid myself of this cumbersome conscience.

Shelley Bock 2 years, 10 months ago

The reference to "scattering pestilence" struck me as well. Glad someone else was offended by that phrase.

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