Kansas Senate leader rejects bill to allow guns on college campuses / LJWorld.com

charliejohnson 1 year, 3 months ago

I agree.

rattler 1 year, 3 months ago

So do I understand it correctly that Knox wants to allow concealed weapons to be carried in public buildings because there isn't proper security to keep concealed weapons out? Makes sense to me.

timetospeakup 1 year, 3 months ago

Exactly what's being proposed here!

Eride 1 year, 3 months ago

So do I understand it correctly that almost all shootings are accidental and not the result of criminals intentionally committing crimes?

Why would we want to encourage more people to carry around weapons?

You lack "sense"

KansasKansan 1 year, 3 months ago

Because crime rates drop when there is a possible ccw holder in the vicinity, and rates increase in "gun-free zones" because law-abiding citizens will be unprotected.

Here's an example:

Florida enacted a right to carry law in 1987, these are the statistics of crimes rates in Florida to the rest of United States from 1987 to 1997 Homicide rate dropped 36% in Florida and went down .4% as United states as a whole. Firearm Homicide rate dropped 37% and went up 15% as a nation. Handgun Homicide rate dropped 41% & and went up 24% as a nation.

And another fun fact: http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/1/25/153427.shtml

Eride 1 year, 3 months ago

If you actually cite a reputable source for your data I will read it.

vertigo 1 year, 3 months ago

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=4706

Item #4

merrill 1 year, 3 months ago

Forest Knox is a damn fool!

RETICENT_IRREVERENT 1 year, 3 months ago

"So do I understand it correctly that Knox wants to allow legal licensed concealed weapons to be carried in public buildings because there isn't proper security to keep illegal weapons out?"

Yes

lwctown 1 year, 3 months ago

So if I understand correctly the only people who can carry on campus are criminals who are not going to follow any gun laws anyway. Well at least we all know criminal gunmen never go on rampages on a college campus and women are never sexually assaulted on a college campus.....

question4u 1 year, 3 months ago

You clearly don't understand correctly. Campus police carry weapons and are responsible for enforcing the law. They are professionals, not vigilantes.

We all know that people never accidentally shoot themselves or others around them and college kids never get into drunken altercations....

KansasKansan 1 year, 3 months ago

Nobody is suggesting that concealed handgun license holders be charged with the duty of protecting campuses. What is being suggested is that adults with concealed handgun licenses be allowed to protect themselves on college campuses, the same way they’re currently allowed to protect themselves in most other unsecured locations. According to a U.S. Secret Service study* into thirty-seven school shootings, ‘Over half of the attacks were resolved/ended before law enforcement responded to the scene. In these cases the attacker was stopped by faculty or fellow students, decided to stop shooting on his own, or killed himself.’ The study found that only three of the thirty-seven school shootings researched involved shots being fired by law enforcement officers.

*“Safe School Initiative: An Interim Report on the Prevention of Targeted Violence in Schools,” U.S. Secret Service National Threat Assessment Center in collaboration with the U.S. Department of Education with support from the National Institute of Justice, Co-Directors Bryan Vossekuil, Marissa Reddy PhD, Robert Fein PhD, October 2000

Accidental discharges are very rare—particularly because modern firearms feature multiple safety features and because a handgun’s trigger is typically not exposed when it is concealed—and only a small fraction of accidental discharges result in injury. SCCC feels that it is wrong to deny citizens a right simply because that right is accompanied by a negligible risk.

NOTE: Only about 2% of all firearm-related deaths in the U.S. are accidental, and most of those are hunting accidents and accidents involving firearms being openly handled in an unsafe manner. A person is five times more likely to accidentally drown, five times more likely to accidentally die in a fire, 29 times more likely to die in an accidental fall, and 32 times more likely to die from accidental poisoning than to die from an accidental gunshot wound.

This is NOT a debate about keeping guns out of the hands of college students. Allowing concealed carry on college campuses would not change the rules about who can buy a gun or who can obtain a concealed handgun license. Every state that provides for legalized concealed carry has statutes prohibiting license holders from carrying while under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Legalizing concealed carry on college campuses would neither make it easier for college students to obtain firearms nor make it legal for a person to carry a firearm while under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Allowing concealed carry on college campuses would have no impact on the laws regulating concealed carry at bars and off-campus parties, the places where students (particularly students of legal age to obtain a concealed handgun license) are most likely to consume alcohol.

Peaty 1 year, 3 months ago

KansasKansan - Nicely put and well thought out thanks.

fredthemechanic1213 1 year, 3 months ago

It's nice to know at least a few people understand the situation.

Just to add, I don't have any real statistics, but you'd think we'd of heard of an occurance of concealed carrying college students off campus having some kind of "drunken altercation" that everyone keeps freaking out about.

obamasocks 1 year, 3 months ago

College + guns = bad idea.

oldvet 1 year, 3 months ago

A shoot-out is better than a massacre!
Ask the families of :

Ross Alameddine
Christopher James "Jamie" Bishop
Brian Roy Bluhm
Ryan Christopher Clark
Austin Michelle Cloyd
Jocelyne Couture-Nowak
Daniel Alejandro Perez Cueva
Kevin Granata
Matthew Gregory Gwaltney
Caitlin Millar Hammaren
Jeremy Michael Herbstritt
Rachael Elizabeth Hill
Emily Jane Hilscher
Jarrett Lee Lane
Matthew Joseph La Porte
Henry J. Lee
Liviu Librescu
GV Loganathan
Partahi Lumbantoruan
Lauren McCain
Daniel ONeil
Juan Ortiz
Minal Panchal
Erin Peterson
Michael Pohle Jr
Julie Pryde
Mary Read
Reema Samaha
Waleed Shaalan
Leslie Sherman
Maxine Turner
Nicole White

All victims of a criminal with a gun at Virginia Tech, a university that prohibited people from legally carrying a concealed weapon on campus. Since holders of concealed carry permits understand and follow the laws, there were no guns on campus. The university prohibited guns, so everyone felt safe!

Phillbert 1 year, 3 months ago

Whether you're killed by a verified psycho or a wannabe Rambo, you're still dead. Fulfill your vigilante fantasies with Grand Theft Auto.

vertigo 1 year, 3 months ago

Name the last person killed by "a wannabe Rambo".

crickets

phred 1 year, 3 months ago

vertigo, I know of one "wannabe Rambo" case that made things worse.. http://www.masscops.com/threads/shootout-in-idaho-town-2-officers-2-civilians-down.30645/

it isn't in this news report, but the civilian that was shot was a wannbe rambo that brought out his gun to shoot back at the shooter. He didn't shoot anyone, but managed to get himself shot and cause confusion for the police which delayed their ability to deal with the situation and rescue their fallen colleagues.

If the police, who have been trained for years to handle these situations, are often unable to stop them without fatalities, no yokel with a couple hour class is going to do any better. When police enter a situation with multiple shooters, it can be difficult for them to tell who is "the good guy" and as such they have to assume that everyone with a gun is a hazard making their job even more difficult and putting us all at greater risk.

KSWingman 1 year, 3 months ago

The facts of the 2007 Moscow, ID incident:

No one involved in the incident (shooter or victims) has been identified as licensed to carry concealed.
The shooting incident did not occur on a university campus. The first victim (the sniper's wife) was killed at home, and the other victims were shot outside a courthouse. The sniper concealed himself inside a Presbyterian church.
No one involved in the incident carried a pistol into a government building (except, presumably, law enforcement officers at the courthouse).
The 20 year old man was not old enough to be licensed to carry concealed. He had not been trained nor tested on the use of deadly force and the laws governing same. Since he had just watched 2 1/2 "Die Hard" movies, you may draw an inference as to his state of mind.
He rode his bicycle into the kill zone, inserting himself into a situation which was not an immediate threat to him.
He brought a pistol to a gunfight, which is never a good idea. Concealed carry is for the purpose of protecting yourself and your loved ones when trouble comes to you. The police don't go into a gunfight armed with only a handgun; a citizen shouldn't, either (also, see #5 above).
There was no report of the injured, foolish young man on the street confusing the police about the presence of the sniper inside the church. However, the Moscow police chief said that citizens "trying to help" can become victims themselves, which happened in this case.

So, how does this relate to the issue of concealed carry license-holders carrying into college/university buildings, where criminals already carry their weapons illegally?

Is this really the best example you could find to make your point?

phred 1 year, 3 months ago

If you are going to only allow cases that occurred on a university campus (rather than a few blocks from one), and where concealed carry permits were documented (even those these haven't been around long in most places), and when there was a blue moon... yeah sure, you won't find any cases that fit. I would also say you are not going to find any cases of someone with a concealed carry license saving the day in a university shooting scene. It is a ridiculous defense of the argument that conceal carry weapons on campuses will stop such events. There have fortunately not been many campus shooting events from which to draw any of these sorts of examples.

This case, however, is a good example of why wannabe rambos are not anything like a solution to dealing with these rare events. As you state yourself, watching a couple Die Hard movies doesn't make one a trained SWAT team member capable of dealing with such situations.

vertigo 1 year, 3 months ago

So... no incidents of "a wannabe Rambo" killing anyone like Phillbert suggests.

Noted.

vertigo 1 year, 3 months ago

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rockchalker52 1 year, 3 months ago

Hey, ya gotta protect yourself in this conference. There's Okie State Cowboys with their six-shooters & now we're adding the Davy Crockett Mountaineers with those longa$$ rifles. They'll kill the Baylor Bears before the age of three.

lawslady 1 year, 3 months ago

Can we agree that the individuals serving in the military really know how to handle guns?
If you agree with that premise, did you know that in the military barracks and other locations on a military base have rules prohibiting carrying your weapon?

I enjoy using a gun and for years have enjoyed firing many types. And I think that anyone who wants to own a weapon should be allowed to do so (unless they have been previously adjudicated as unfit for some reason). So I am not anti-gun in any way. There are simply some places and situations where having weapons around (openly or concealed) is not a good idea.

The way this bill is written, the visitors at a prison, mental ward, day care, etc. would be allowed to bring in concealed weapons (of course they'd have to check them before going thru the security). Does anyone really think civilians walking around with concealed guns in such places is going to make it a safer envirnoment? If so, may I suggest you visit a country like Iran, where everyone who can walk is armed. See how safe you feel there.

timetospeakup 1 year, 3 months ago

Stop the BS. This does not allow people to bring guns into mental wards or prisons or anywhere else that already has adequate security screening.

billbodiggens 1 year, 3 months ago

Did I miss something? Are there armed guards and metal detectors at the doors of our hospital’s mental facilities and Area Mental Health facilities. Do the local day care facilities have armed guards and metal detectors? So, just where is that BS that you speak of? And, what, pray tell, is adequate security screening? And, what are you willing to pay for such "adequate security" at public buildings? If you reply is simply BS, why do you bother to even attempt to get involved in this important public issue? So many questions, so little results.

tanzer 1 year, 3 months ago

I work at or have visited all four of the state facilities and have worked in more than one mental health center. No armed security nor security screening is present. Even those facilities with locked units. Security at the facility where I current work consists of two middle aged men who are overwieght watching some camera screens and going out to pick up someone from time to time. Police are called in if there is significant threat, particularly if it is from outside the campus. There are literally tens of people in many mental health center lobbies waiting services throughout the weekdays. Concealed weapons in those places would pose a great risk.

raerae 1 year, 3 months ago

Direct quote from a military wife whose husband was shot in the Fort Hood incident, upon being asked how she felt about him being deployed to Afghanistan: “At least he’s safe there and he can fire back, right?”

KansasKansan 1 year, 3 months ago

http://reason.com/archives/2009/11/11/the-folly-of-unilateral-disarm

The answer to bullets flying is almost always more bullets flying. That’s why the police bring so many guns with them when they respond to a report of ‘shots fired'

Think about inoculation.

Citizens with concealed handgun licenses are not vigilantes. They carry their concealed handguns as a means of getting themselves out of harm's way, not as an excuse to go chasing after bad guys. Whereas police shooting statistics involve scenarios such as pursuits down dark alleys and armed standoffs with assailants barricaded inside buildings, most civilian shootings happen at pointblank range. In the Luby's Cafeteria massacre, the Columbine High School massacre, and the Virginia Tech massacre, the assailants moved slowly and methodically, shooting their victims from very close range. A person doesn't have to be a deadeye shot to defend himself or herself against an assailant standing only a few feet away.

aryastark1984 1 year, 3 months ago

Wow! A modicum of common sense in the KS legislature! Will wonders never cease?

somedude20 1 year, 3 months ago

Finally, a Republican with a little common sense....kind of like finding a Bigfoot or God

lawslady 1 year, 3 months ago

Read it for yourselves and decide; http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2011_12/measures/hb2353/

If the jail does not put security up at every entrance to the building, the guns can get in. Only when there is a security check point does the person have to give up their weapon. See sections (a), (e) and (f). And as for mental wards, see section (g)

(a) The carrying of a concealed handgun as authorized by the personal and family protection act shall not be prohibited in state or municipality facilities or premises municipal buildings unless such facilities or premises have building has adequate security measures to ensure that no weapons are permitted to be carried into or on such premises or facilities such building. (e) Subject to provisions of subsection (f), nothing in this act shall limit the ability of a corrections facility, a jail facility or a law enforcement agency to prohibit the carrying of a concealed weapon by any person on such premises. (f) Any state or municipal building which contains both public access entrances and restricted access entrances shall provide adequate security at the public access entrances in order to prohibit the carrying of a concealed handgun in such public areas. (g) A state or municipal-owned medical care facility as defined in K.S.A. 65-425, and amendments thereto, may prohibit patients seeking treatment from carrying a concealed handgun. (i) For purposes of this section: (1) "Adequate security measures" means the use of electronic equipment and personnel at public entrances to detect and restrict the carrying of any weapons into the facility or on such premises state or municipal building, including, but not limited to, metal detectors, metal detector wands or any other equipment used for similar purposes to ensure that weapons are not permitted to be carried into such premises or facilities building by members of the public. (2) “Municipality” means as the term The terms "municipality" and "municipal" are interchangeable and have the same meaning as the term "municipality" is defined in K.S.A.75-6102, and amendments thereto, but does not include school districts. (3) "Restricted access entrance" means an entrance that is restricted to the public and requires a key, keycard, code, or similar device to allow entry to authorized personnel. (4) “State” means as the term is defined in K.S.A. 75-6102, and amendments thereto. (5) "State or municipal building" means a building owned or leased by such public entity. It does not include a building owned by the state or a municipality which is leased by a private entity whether for profit or not-for-profit or a building held in title by the state or a municipality solely for reasons of revenue bond financing.

vertigo 1 year, 3 months ago

Uhh... how many entrances do you think there are to a jail or prison? I guarantee you will encounter a security checkpoint prior to entering those facilities.

DillonBarnes 1 year, 3 months ago

Public entrances require security measures, which I think you'll find all prisons have.

snap_pop_no_crackle 1 year, 3 months ago

CCW in Kansas didn't become law the first time around either. Come back in a year.

DillonBarnes 1 year, 3 months ago

Of course this is the second time this bill has been around.

JayhawkFan1985 1 year, 3 months ago

Next step is to return the legal drinking age to 18. Bad idea.

vertigo 1 year, 3 months ago

Heaven forbid adults should be allowed to drink alcohol.

freethinker 1 year, 3 months ago

guns on campus! why waste our legislators time? kids with guns! how dumb! hell most of them can't use a condom without supervision.

50YearResident 1 year, 3 months ago

I think most 21 year olds would not like to be still called a kid. At what age did you become an adult? 40? 50? or 65 ?

KansasKansan 1 year, 3 months ago

These aren't "kids with guns". The requirement for obtaining a permit are easy enough to find. Why not take a look? http://www.usacarry.com/kansas_concealed_carry_permit_information.html

Since the fall semester of 2006, state law has allowed licensed individuals to carry concealed handguns on the campuses of the nine degree-offering public colleges (20 campuses) and one public technical college (10 campuses) in Utah. Concealed carry has been allowed at Colorado State University (Fort Collins, CO) since 2003 and at Blue Ridge Community College (Weyers Cave, VA) since 1995. After allowing concealed carry on campus for a combined total of one hundred semesters, none of these twelve schools has seen a single resulting incident of gun violence (including threats and suicides), a single gun accident, or a single gun theft. Likewise, none of the forty ‘right-to-carry’ states has seen a resulting increase in gun violence since legalizing concealed carry, despite the fact that licensed citizens in those states regularly carry concealed handguns in places like office buildings, movie theaters, grocery stores, shopping malls, restaurants, churches, banks, etc. Numerous studies*, including studies by University of Maryland senior research scientist John Lott, University of Georgia professor David Mustard, engineering statistician William Sturdevant, and various state agencies, show that concealed handgun license holders are five times less likely than non-license holders to commit violent crimes.

"Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns,” John Lott and David Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies (v.26, no.1, pages 1-68, January 1997);

“An Analysis of the Arrest Rate of Texas Concealed Handgun License Holders as Compared to the Arrest Rate of the Entire Texas Population,” William E. Sturdevant, September 1, 2000; Florida Department of Justice statistics, 1998; Florida Department of State,

“Concealed Weapons/Firearms License Statistical Report,” 1998; Texas Department of Public Safety and the U.S. Census Bureau, reported in San Antonio Express-News, September 2000; Texas Department of Corrections data, 1996-2000, compiled by the Texas State Rifle Association

oldvet 1 year, 3 months ago

There you go again... trying to provide facts to a liberal...

The cry of the liberal when confronted with data: "Facts? We don't need no stinking facts!"

begin60 1 year, 3 months ago

Thank you! Yes--let sanity prevail at least once a generation in Kansas. Please reject this bill.

KansasKansan 1 year, 3 months ago

Your opinion lacks evidence.

mommatocharlie 1 year, 3 months ago

Good move

toe 1 year, 3 months ago

Time for Morris to go.

kansasplains1 1 year, 3 months ago

Morris is right on. Thanks for not acting on this legislation. It is very definitely the wrong thing. The only thing I would have liked the Journal-World to do, which it didn't, would be to get a wide variety of professors, students and the Chancellor to speak up and say what they think. Unless I have missed something, the most important thing here is the University, as well as other universities and community colleges throughout the state, but they are not represented here - in the kind of article the New York Times would do - and they need to be.

KansasKansan 1 year, 3 months ago

The important thing here is not what professors, students, etc. "think". This is an issue about allowing licensed ccw permit holders to continue to protect themselves, as they do in otherwise unrestricted areas. Declaring a gun-free zone is is not a valid way to offer an individual his/her safety.

Statement on Virginia Tech Lockdown August 4th, 2011 Police at Virginia Tech are searching for a reported armed gunman at the site of the worst college shooting in history. The latest word is that no shots or injuries have been reported, but armed police officers have placed the campus on lock-down and continue to search.

Clearly, not even Virginia Tech officials have much confidence in their alleged “gun-free zone.”

Virginia Tech, like most colleges, demands the right to ban guns on campus, but they continue to show an appalling lack of interest in enforcing those bans or creating any practical mechanism to protect students.

“Colleges have entered into an informal alliance with criminals,” said David Burnett, spokesman with Students for Concealed Carry. “By banishing lawfully-armed citizens, the college is denying the right to self-defense and creating a defense-free environment which leaves colleges extremely vulnerable – and attractive – to criminals.”

Last month, in denying the college a blanket right to disarm law-abiding citizens, Virginia Tech’s Attorney-General Ken Cuccinelli stated that gun-ban polices “are ineffectual because persons who wish to perpetrate violence will ignore them, and that the net effect of such policies is to leave defenseless the law-abiding citizens who follow these policies.”

With over 600 acres of ground to cover, declaring the area “safe” may take a while, but with today’s quick notification, it appears Virginia Tech has at least taken to heart the lesson it learned in blood back in 2007 where they failed to notify students of the danger for nearly two hours.

“We hope Virginia Tech will continue to learn from their mistakes and stop disarming the very people who could make a difference in a life-or-death situation,” said Burnett.

DillonBarnes 1 year, 3 months ago

What amazes me is the sheer fear people have over firearms, and honestly, I cannot understand many of the arguments against this bill. The amount of land in question in minuscule to the amount of land where concealed carry is already legal, but apparently this land is so vile, it corrupts otherwise normal minds into reckless killers.

How can you argue about increased violence with this passage? Remember, its only the addition of this 1% of land area that is changing, the variable of WHO is carrying is not changing. How can you argue about accidental discharges and handling stress when we just haven't seen those fears manifest on the 99% of land concealed carriers already carry in?

On one hand, you argue that campus is too stressful to allowed carry, and it pushes students to become violent, apparently to mass acts of violence; but on the other hand, you stress how safe KU campus is.

wdl 1 year, 3 months ago

Its not about land acreage, its about population density and the age group and maturity level of the people packing heat. I don't really think if the carry or not will make much difference about anything. The one that won't change is that the bad guys always are carrying and they really don't care what the laws are at any level. So you have a choice of either protecting yourself on a sanctioned level or not. This is as debatable topic as abortion. Actually, in some cases it could be regarded as retroactive abortion.

kujeeper 1 year, 3 months ago

I would rather be judge by 12 than carried by 6..... And do not ever refer to Campus Police (at least at KU) as professionals, they are department rejects from the true professional departments in eastern Kansas

KansasKansan 1 year, 3 months ago

This hasn't been an issue with concealed handgun license holders in other walks of life for several reasons. First and foremost, real-world shootouts are typically localized and over very quickly. It's not realistic to expect police to encounter an ongoing shootout between assailants and armed civilians. Second, police are trained to expect both armed bad guys AND armed good guys—from off-duty/undercover police officers to armed civilians—in tactical scenarios. Third, concealed handgun license holders are trained to use their firearms for self-defense. They are not trained to run through buildings looking for bad guys. Therefore, the biggest distinction between the armed assailants and the armed civilians is that the armed civilians would be hiding with the crowd, and the armed assailants would be shooting at the crowd.

Hedge 1 year, 3 months ago

Most people here don't even know the current laws.

For starters, since 2010, if you have a valid Kansas concealed carry permit you already can and do carry on a college campus. And if the buildings are not posted properly you can already carry in them as well. The only thing this bill would do is require some additional security if the college is going to require you to disarm while going into the building.

Interesting that since 2010 there hasn't been blood in the streets from this.

The other thing is this bill does NOT prevent a college from still having a no-gun policy for students. Granted it won't be a "criminal" act that you can get arrested for but the school can still expel a student if caught carrying.

And the real truth of it is there have been people concealed carrying long before there were any laws on the books permitting it. You just didn't know it because they carry concealed. And they are, for the most part, responsible law abiding people.

50YearResident 1 year, 3 months ago

How can the Senate Leader, one man, keep a bill from being considered by the entire group of Senaters after it was approved by the House?

KansasKansan 1 year, 3 months ago

This article appears to be an op ed, for the most part. I don't think i Morris stopped anything. Correct me if I'm wrong.

DillonBarnes 1 year, 3 months ago

That was the impression I got. The title is very poorly written leading to a confusing article.

vegieman 1 year, 3 months ago

Thank God, a politician with common sense. There are enough criminals and thugs running loose on college campuses across America. No sense promoting more wreckless temptation. Increase stiffer penalties on ones who do carry illegaly.

KansasKansan 1 year, 3 months ago

??? Not sure what you mean to say here.

Since the fall semester of 2006, state law has allowed licensed individuals to carry concealed handguns on the campuses of the nine degree-offering public colleges (20 campuses) and one public technical college (10 campuses) in Utah. Concealed carry has been allowed at Colorado State University (Fort Collins, CO) since 2003 and at Blue Ridge Community College (Weyers Cave, VA) since 1995. After allowing concealed carry on campus for a combined total of one hundred semesters, none of these twelve schools has seen a single resulting incident of gun violence (including threats and suicides), a single gun accident, or a single gun theft. Likewise, none of the forty ‘right-to-carry’ states has seen a resulting increase in gun violence since legalizing concealed carry, despite the fact that licensed citizens in those states regularly carry concealed handguns in places like office buildings, movie theaters, grocery stores, shopping malls, restaurants, churches, banks, etc. Numerous studies*, including studies by University of Maryland senior research scientist John Lott, University of Georgia professor David Mustard, engineering statistician William Sturdevant, and various state agencies, show that concealed handgun license holders are five times less likely than non-license holders to commit violent crimes.

"Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns,” John Lott and David Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies (v.26, no.1, pages 1-68, January 1997);

“An Analysis of the Arrest Rate of Texas Concealed Handgun License Holders as Compared to the Arrest Rate of the Entire Texas Population,” William E. Sturdevant, September 1, 2000; Florida Department of Justice statistics, 1998; Florida Department of State,

“Concealed Weapons/Firearms License Statistical Report,” 1998; Texas Department of Public Safety and the U.S. Census Bureau, reported in San Antonio Express-News, September 2000; Texas Department of Corrections data, 1996-2000, compiled by the Texas State Rifle Association

tomatogrower 1 year, 3 months ago

"House Democratic Leader Paul Davis of Lawrence, whose district includes Kansas University, said, “I think that we need to let the Regents institutions police those issues themselves. They know what the security concerns are, better than the 165 legislators.”"

So here is a truly conservative idea that I can get behind. On everything else the neoconservatives say "Get the government out", except gun control and women's bodies. Oh and anyone's sex life.

Kansas Senate leader rejects bill to allow guns on college campuses

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