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Letter: Unfair criticism

December 31, 2012

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Several recent letters to the editor responding to a letter from Carl Burkhead on the Newtown tragedy have seemed incredulous to me. The original letter simply stated that the problem at the core of the Newtown deaths was connected to the current rejection of God and His guidance by our current society. By most historical standards, this modern separation from God would have been seen as fact. Additionally, there was no indication of a “vengeful” God in the original letter or even any indication that God possessed these qualities. The response letters therefore were assuming facts not evidenced in Mr. Burkhead’s letter and, one could honestly conclude, may have been written by individuals who have already judged God to be vengeful and untrustworthy.

Anyone writing to the editor has the right to state their views, but responders are obligated to refute the letter with facts and in a nonjudgmental manner. Anyone who believes that the God of Christianity will take vengeance on the human race unless we follow certain rules and regulations can state that fact in their own letter but cannot do so by misquoting the message in another person’s letter. 

I personally believe the theological admonition that “all things betray thee that betray Me” is at the core of the conflict between our current society and God’s laws. If we continue on this path, we will assuredly continue to endure all kinds of human tragedy as we just saw in Newtown.  

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KansasLiberal 1 year, 3 months ago

"Religion easily has the greatest b.s. story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good b.s. story. Holy $#!+!"

--George Carlin

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Stuart Evans 1 year, 3 months ago

why do religious people feel so compelled to try and get "god's" point across to everyone else? This god, which the christians speak so highly of, used to be very powerful, capable of destroying every living thing on the planet, and rebuilding it. Why does this same character now only seem to run his PR through small-minded people? He seems like a bad magician that stopped doing his tricks when science came along and shared all the secrets.

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Armored_One 1 year, 3 months ago

Ever notice that if something good happens, God is watching over you, but if something bad happens, it's the result of Man's free will? Why can't Man's free will be responsible for both sides? Or God be responsible for both sides?

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pusscanthropus 1 year, 3 months ago

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” ― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

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mikekt 1 year, 3 months ago

There will always be, ....and if you check your history,......have always been, .....wars, rumors of war, diseases that appear as plagues, natural disasters such as quakes, tsunamis, floods, lightning strikes, tornadoes, blah, blah,blah........as well as lots of human folly & pointless waste of human resource....... & resources .

People are born,..... and one way or the other, they live their lives...... & expire .

Nobody escapes that one, ....in a physical sense .

The above..... and five dollars might get you a cup of coffee at some trendy coffee shop where the attendees are still waiting for the Myan callendar to end the world, as we know it,....and as it has been known, for centuries.

I get the concept that God created the world,..... and that Adam & Evev were removed from the garden of Eden, for becoming ONE WITH KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD & EVIL ....All sounds rather human.......but why is most of the rest of the Bible ( Old & New Testament ), about what is essentially KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL ? Isn't that how we got the boot to Edens sidewalk ? And why do so many persue it ( knowldge of good and evil ) to predict ( through judgements, that they choose to make of others ) the spiritual undoing of others ?

Yea, .....you are going to be hatefully right,...... some day.......and don't worry......eventually there will be a predictor, who will get it right,........even if it's just an asteroid,..... and the world will end on schedule,....or at least your world will end....... or at least some bodies world will end, for whatever reason,..... and you might be pleased,....momentarily.........because hatred requires a regular feeding ! What to hate next ? Hummm?

But,......iI would think that having to be so dogmatically right all of the time, about the obvious spiritual shortcomings of humanity, would be boring !

Judge Not,.....Least Ye Be Bored !

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blindrabbit 1 year, 3 months ago

Since I had Mr. Burkhead as a professor back in the 1960's as a student in the Environmmental Sciences program at KU, I have seen this man slide into a deluded form of religion. How can someone who is supposedly educated in the Sciences (Burkhead) be/become so ignorant in the reality of life and so taken up by the blinded dogma of whatever he interprets God's religion to be

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JayCat_67 1 year, 3 months ago

Methinks you confuse "rejection of God" with "rejection of self righteous windbag trying to cram his/her religious dogma down my throat".

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Phil Minkin 1 year, 3 months ago

" the problem at the core of the Newtown deaths was connected to the current rejection of God and His guidance by our current society", When did this happen? Was it before the Waco deaths, or Columbine, the tidal wave in Japan, Viet Nam, Korea, WW I or II and even the civil war? What is the exact time of "the rejection of God" so we can start knowing when this problem started.

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windjammer 1 year, 3 months ago

Carl Burkhead and now Patrick Butler both religious fanatics. How do I know? I was raised by one my mother fit their mold perfectly.

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disappointed_regressive 1 year, 3 months ago

A prudent man conceals knowledge -Proverbs12:23

Wow! This forum must be full to the rim with prudent folks.

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Karl_Hungus 1 year, 3 months ago

Woo woo woo, when did "god" become a fact? There is NO proof or fact of any god, just ones faith... is Santa a fact? Godzilla facepalm!!!!even if you are the sharpest tool in the shed, you are still a tool! Happy Holidays

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Leslie Swearingen 1 year, 3 months ago

"Anyone writing to the editor has the right to state their views, but responders are obligated to refute the letter with facts and in a nonjudgmental manner."

I don't think so. People use words like judgmental to manipulate others so they won't have to deal with a different opinion.

Catholics are Christian, there is no reason to think otherwise. Catholics have a crucifix in church, pray to Jesus, preach from the New Testament.

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none2 1 year, 3 months ago

Because the author like to use a more embellished style of writing than Carl Burkhead, doesn't make the message any less ludicrous. To quote Carl:

"God has allowed 9-11, AIDS, suicides, murders, natural disasters, economic bondage and family division as judgments on this nation, families and individuals."

Oh sure one could quibble over terminology that there is no vengeance if God "allows" horrible things to happen as a judgement. However, it is a rather silly debate. That would be as silly as debating whether Pontius Pilate was vengeful. Who cares whether he washed his hands or not, the end result was the crucifixion. Perhaps this author would like to praise the wonderfulness of Pontius Pilate?

Carl and this writer need to learn about FREE WILL. That is a concept not limited to Christianity. Free will would be meaningless if any mistakes meant horrible consequences.
Both of them should apologize to survivors of such tragedies for their short-sited, narrow-minded, idiotic posts. Do they want to explain how "their" God allowed 5 Amish girls to be gunned down in 2006? Perhaps Amish aren't "real" Christians in their minds? Perhaps God doesn't listen to prayers and songs if they are in Hochdeutsch? Those brave women in Newport who lost their own lives protecting young children, should we tell their loved ones that they died because they didn't pray; or if they did, they didn't pray hard enough or often enough?

Sometimes horrible sh#@)@t happens, and for any individual to blame this on the active or passive actions of a God for society not kowtowing to the individual's interpretation of that religion is an absolute insult to all. It is especially an insult to anybody who believes in a loving God, and even to non-believers who have done nothing wrong.

What sane non-Christian would ever even consider Christianity with such stupidity being espoused? Such people with these Phelpian belief systems should crawl back under a rock from the dark ages from whence they came.

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KiferGhost 1 year, 3 months ago

I think we can blame most of the tragedies on people like Clownback who hasn't been praying enough. I think we need to relieve him of his current position pretending to be a governor and let him become our full time prayer master. He can pray that God doesn't unleash God's wrath on us.

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voevoda 1 year, 3 months ago

I suppose, Mr. Butler, that it all depends upon what people construe God's laws to be--and depending upon that, adherence to them leads to justice and peace, or injustice and violence. That is not something new in our generation; it has been the human condition since, well, human beings came into existence.

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 1 year, 3 months ago

It always amazes me just how much credence that seemingly inelligent people put in an imaginary notion of the power that created the Universe. Every itenerant religious wonk seems to have some sort of twisted idea of how their lives or the lives of others are somehow affected by a non-existant vision of an imaginary diety. All religious thought has been concocted by men, those who would tell you that "God told me to do this" or "God told me to beat my childern" or that "God hates you" are humans with a distince mental block on reality. Most things that affect human lives are the result of misconduct by human persons and their vain attempts to invent some diety and then blame that notion for the problems of society are stupid and ludicrious. Personal responsibiity takes a very real part in the fate of many people and very few are willing to give their inaginary religious notions a pass and accept that things sometimes 'just happen" or more commonly, are caused by human interaction in a negative way. Like the members of the U.S. Congress.

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Les Blevins 1 year, 3 months ago

Corey wrote: ""God has allowed 9-11, AIDS, suicides, murders, natural disasters, economic bondage and family division as judgments on this nation, families and individuals"" I think this is self-evident and not because God is vengeful but because He is not happy with the way we are ignoring His commandment to be responsible in our dominion over the earth He gave us. For example we are using the devil's oil and other fossil fuels to drive species to extinction and pollute the water and atmosphere of our planet for self-indulgent reasons when we have no right to do so.

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Les Blevins 1 year, 3 months ago

He wrote: "bare arms" but he meant bear arms.

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Laus_Deo 1 year, 3 months ago

speaking of "faith"....what does this Russian believe in?

These days, there are few few things to admire about the socialist, bankrupt and culturally degenerating USA, but at least so far, one thing remains: the right to bare arms and use deadly force to defend one's self and possessions.

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/28-12-2012/123335-americans_guns-0/

I might add. Who is going to save your butt when someone is kicking it?...God? The Constitution? The Quran? Dobama? Feinstein? Your neighbor? That guy across the street?...didn't think so. I guess that means you Liberals are on your own....good luck with that.

Oh. The D is silent.

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disappointed_regressive 1 year, 3 months ago

Talking about tragedies/god's will, wonder if an asteroid slamming into downtown Lawrence would have an effect?

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grammaddy 1 year, 3 months ago

If God needs an invitation to rescue the children at Sandy Hook,he doesn't deserve the title.

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Paul R Getto 1 year, 3 months ago

Imputing causality is always difficult, particularly when dealing with magical thinking.

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msezdsit 1 year, 3 months ago

patrick, you are entitled to your opinion no matter how sick it is and people are entitled to point that to you.

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msezdsit 1 year, 3 months ago

The original letter"simply stated" that the problem ....."

Oh come on, "simply stated"............... yeah in your twisted brain. How about "outrageously stated" Just because your so wacked out that you can't discern the difference between simple and outrageous, don't trample on those who can. All you wackos that think "god" is slaughtering innocent people are "outrageous and pathetic", not simple.

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Don Brennaman 1 year, 3 months ago

whose god allowed the hollacaust? god ain't the problem. the history of religion is the history of wars and servitude.

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Corey Williams 1 year, 3 months ago

"God has allowed 9-11, AIDS, suicides, murders, natural disasters, economic bondage and family division as judgments on this nation, families and individuals."

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Gandalf 1 year, 3 months ago

If the Newtown tragedy was caused by a lack of faith in god. Does that mean the tragedy that was prevented in San Antonio was an act of the devil?

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Gandalf 1 year, 3 months ago

Kinda hard to dispute an opinion with fact. Odin wouldn't like it.

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