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Letter: Rejecting God

December 21, 2012

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To the editor:

The tragedy at Newtown is very painful, but I can’t imagine how a parent or others close to the victims must feel. I don’t like the word “victim,” but it does have implications beyond the immediate circumstances of Newtown.

Years ago, it was decided that prayer should be taken out of schools. In fact, there are those who argue that because of the so-called separation of church and state, religion should not be allowed in the public arena, period. We are the victims of these Godless positions. God is being more and more excluded from all public arenas and private life (except for times when we experience these tragedies). We are a nation that has rejected the truth of the Bible and replaced it with the so-called wisdom of man. God has allowed 9-11, AIDS, suicides, murders, natural disasters, economic bondage and family division as judgments on this nation, families and individuals.

Yet, despite all our rejection of God, he says in Joel 2:12-13, “’Yet even now,’ declares the Lord, ‘return to me with all your heart, with fasting, with weeping, and with mourning; and rend your hearts and not your garments.’ Return to the Lord, your God, for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love; and he relents over disaster.” It’s never too late to get right with God!

Comments

08Champs 2 years ago

It's late, I'm tired - and I'm angry that I'm going to start my day on Friday thinking of this letter. Because at 12:23 in the morning it sounds a LOT like you're implying that god allowed the unspeakable tragedy in Newtown because prayer is no longer practiced in schools? If you believe that, then you are no better than Fred Phelps and his family of judgmental haters. He believes soldiers and children die because our society abides homosexuality. You believe those children died because of a perceived abandonment of prayer. Really? Tell me I read that wrong -

Abdu Omar 2 years ago

Mr. Burkhead has no idea nor does anyone else, why this tragedy happened. Could it be the evil that shows his ugly head from time to time or was it simply the time to die for the victims of this crime? I don't know.

But taking away the institutional prayer is not a reason because the law does not take away anyone's individual right to pray when they want. Instead of recess, or while in class, a student, teacher or administrator can bow his head, kneel, or whatever position wanted, can simply utter a prayer and seek solace in their own time. Ot take time during class, quietly and without due interuption, pray in his seat. I did when I was in school and no one knew what I was doing because I didn't make it an issue.

If one is praying so that fellow students or teachers notice, then he really isn't praying.

Ron Holzwarth 2 years ago

"why this tragedy happened."

I believe it happened because of one or more person's bad decisions. Bad decisions can have horrific consequences, the unfortunate fact is that those who bear the brunt of the bad decisions are often not the people who made them, an example would be an intoxicated driver who walks away from a crash he/she caused, while others died or were maimed.

"If one is praying so that fellow students or teachers notice, then he really isn't praying."

Not from everyone's book, but Matthew Chapter 6, verse 5 & 6 says:

"And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you."

Pal 2 years ago

The poor training of humans leads to all sorts of problems. Who here knows the best way to train them?.......How are government people doing at training them? Is the government training them well in their schools?....

I guess if you cannot train them well. The best thing to do is take away from them, anything they could hurt themselves with....

The only problem is, who trained the people that are taking away the things people might hurt themselves with?

This sounds like a dilemma when there is no one in charge. Or when there are no guide posts for people to follow....even if there were guide posts....who made the guide posts.....?...another government person?.....who trained that government person that wrote the guide posts/....?

notaubermime 2 years ago

Is that Carl Burkhead or Fred Phelps? No thorough analysis of disasters is going to support the conclusion that higher levels of public religiosity correlates to lower levels of disasters. If anything, I believe that the Bible does not have high praise for public religiosity, nor does it support the claim that an individual human is capable of knowing the mind of God.

Mike Ford 2 years ago

gee this letter writer sounds like he had his brain hijacked by Mike Huckabee.... then again what brain is needed for brain washing and false arguements created by the righties of fervor? Ignore the fact the GOP cuts mental health funding to the bone and looks the other way while suburban divorcees arm themselves to the hilt only to ignore their's children's mental health issues and the rest is tragic history a week later. good false arguement.

jonas_opines 2 years ago

"God has allowed 9-11, AIDS, suicides, murders, natural disasters, economic bondage and family division as judgments on this nation, families and individuals."

Carl's god sounds like a psychopath -- unworthy of worship, or even respect.

Fortunately, I think that his god is actually just a projection of himself.

Pal 2 years ago

ha ha....God has allowed....ha ha....what government person taught you that??

You should try transcendental yoga. Your concentration looks off.

appleaday 2 years ago

He's quoting the letter writer.

jonas_opines 2 years ago

Ummmm. . . . you Are familiar with the concept of quotation marks, correct?

If you're going to back-handedly criticize government schools/people, you should try not to make such obvious mistakes in your reading comprehension. Or, perhaps, actually READ the LTE before you drop down to attack the commenters. Otherwise, you'll look very foolish, like you do here.

Not that I have much hope that you'll do either of those things.

jonas_opines 2 years ago

You attacked my beliefs by using words that I was quoting? You said nothing about my beliefs on the subject. (Hint: those were the ones outside of the quotation marks.)

As I said, I have little hope that you'll learn. Incidentally, I almost added: "I suspect that you'll simply try to weasel out of it in some way," but decided not to prior to posting.

Thank you for confirming.

jonas_opines 2 years ago

Lol, post pulled and now I seem to be arguing with myself.

Ce La Vie. I am, after all, a gemini.

Kendall Simmons 2 years ago

Well, you certainly may have thought that's what you were doing, but it's not what you literally did in your post. What you "literally" did was treat what Carl Burkhead said as what Jonas said as well.

It's amazing how a simple little thing like basic grammar can effect so many things so drastically. (And, perhaps, you might want to explain what you think 'dishing' had to do with your error? On second thought, never mind.)

phoggyjay 2 years ago

If there was a God, it wouldn't stand by while thousands of years of murder, disease and war have taken its toll on the human population.

grammaddy 2 years ago

If God needs an invitation to intervene, he doesn't deserve the title.

grammaddy 2 years ago

"We are a nation that has rejected the truth of the Bible and replaced it with the so-called wisdom of man"? Really? The Bible was written by many men and women ( although you'd never know it from the version accepted these days), it was NOT written by God.And prayer was not taken out of schools. It just cannot be lead or forced by anyone. Put the responsibility of what happened in Newtown where it belongs. On the mother of a twisted child who did not have sense enough to know better than to expose that poor twisted mind to such destructive power.Or protect him from it.Put it on the idiots who think they need a military weapon to protect themselves from a tyrranical government (as if). Put it on the paranoid idiots who equate gun control with the banning of all guns. Or those who feel their rights to own a gun are more important than the rights of the children to be protected from such violence.Fairy tales will not save us, especially not from ourselves.

msezdsit 2 years ago

Oh geese, those two words again, carl bulkhead. No need to read anymore.

fiddleback 2 years ago

Indeed.

For those who need a little background on Mr. Burkhead...

Fun fact: despite his mind-boggling religious dogma, he works (or worked) as an Environmental Engineer at the Kansas Department of Health and Environment...

He also ran for city commisioner in '95 and ran this anti-gay ad in the LJW: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2199&dat=19950403&id=fisxAAAAIBAJ&sjid=deYFAAAAIBAJ&pg=3334,1710101

A sampling of his editorial submissions the past 2 years: http://www2.ljworld.com/search/vertical/news.story/?q=%22&author=Carl+Burkhead%2C+Lawrence

Seriously, Carl, quit wasting everyone's time with your nonsense and get a new hobby -- you're currently just a more verbose version of the guy on the corner with the sign screaming "REPENT, YE SINNERS!"...

labmonkey 2 years ago

And how many people are scarred by the abuse they received in schools and organizations that are supposedly God-Centered? And what of the cover-ups by these Churches and organizations? How many suicides are a result of Catholic Priests or Boy Scout Masters?

jonas_opines 2 years ago

I'm guessing that Carl is a protestant evangelical that believes that Catholics are not godly, either. But that's just a guess.

JayCat_67 2 years ago

If that's the case, I wonder how he'd feel if school prayer consisted of the rosary or a few Hail Mary's.

Cait McKnelly 2 years ago

Which is funny, Jonas, because the Guv claims to be both.

Liberty275 2 years ago

I've seen enough of god's work to know that if he existed, we wouldn't get along.

A chemical imbalance in the killer's brain made him commit the horrible acts. 100 years ago we treated mentally ill people as virtual criminals and locked them away, punishing them for being ill. Before that, good upstanding Christians hanged and burned them for being witches. That solved the problem, but the solution was worse,

Gods aren't needed for massacres. All it takes is enough compassion and courage to not cage innocent but defective humans. Sometimes one will fall over the edge and we pay the price for not caging them like animals.

JackMcKee 2 years ago

This is satire, correct? Bravo!

geekin_topekan 2 years ago

America was founded on events like those in Connecticut.

The Pilgrims (Puritans) believed that the slaughter of innocent children was nothing more than predestination and such actions were inspired by God almighty and there was absolutely nothing that anyone could do to prevent it. It was the children's responsibility to die according to the 1st Thanksgiving-day Pilgrims.

Now America is all grown up and we realize that CHristian thought processes like those of the founders (ignore the fact that millions of people lived here for tens-of-thousands of years) can not be both the cause and the cure for these events.

The framers of our constitution intentionally wrote Christianity out of the founding documents because they realized that events like these could easily be used as justification to alter public policy into Christian self-righteousness similar to those of the Puritans. We are treated, here in AMerica, to freedom FROM religion.

Finite man has no idea what the God of Nature, the only God mentioned in our founding documents, has in mind for our nation. We could no more speak for God than we can speak for an Opossum or a dog (I realize that there are some who do but that's another story). So along comes Carl making some sort of claim that America has taken a turn for the worse because we all don't believe what he believes.

Carl, when exactly did your Utopian America exist?

Liberty275 2 years ago

"he Pilgrims (Puritans) believed that the slaughter of innocent children"

Is that true? What examples of such thought are there?

Liberty275 2 years ago

If I read it correctly, the slaughter was part of a larger extermination of Native Americans.

Mr Topekan left me with the idea they were killing children because they were children. Not that there is any difference. There is no excuse for killing women and children because the men of the tribe fought against European religion.

Kendall Simmons 2 years ago

Sorry, but Puritans and Pilgrims aren't synonymous.

Kendall Simmons 2 years ago

Whoops...I meant to place this as a reply to Geekin, not you, Liberty. My bad.

Kendall Simmons 2 years ago

It seems like you think "Pilgrims" and "Puritans" are synonymous. But they sure as heck aren't. They didn't actually share theological beliefs, including those about about the slaughter of innocent children.

jonas_opines 2 years ago

There are many gods. Mortal man has created the illusion that there is only one.

/See, this is fun, isn't it?

Kendall Simmons 2 years ago

1995??

If my brain is working this morning (which isn't guaranteed), that was 17 years ago. And quoting a Wiki article that references a survey that was 'attributed to the Encyclopedia Brittanica" with a citation needed for the percentages used???

Oh, come on. No matter how badly my brain may be working, you should know better than to use unsupported data from "something" from at least 17 years ago to try to make a point about today.

If you want to reference a Wiki article, how about choosing "Demographics of atheism"? en.wikipedia [dot] org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

The times, they are a-changin'

jonas_opines 2 years ago

Polls go my way = See, this is confirmation that my way is right. Polls go the other way = See, this is confirmation that the other side is misled.

Liberty275 2 years ago

If I were the only atheist on Earth, the rest of you would be wrong.

Water 2 years ago

Hang in there Carl. Your passionate article about a lack of spirituality comes from the heart. Their vitriol is expressed with specious logic from their minds. Reminds me of the Sufi tale of the blind men and the elephant. Spirituality used to be something people sought but is now shooed away. Yoga and Christmas are both aspects of spiritual practices but ya wouldn't know it today. Spirituality can calm and sooth the mind and heart and consequently had every chance of changing that boys actions as gun control laws, beefed up school security, and better mental health care access or a different mother.

repaste 2 years ago

I thought Yoga started as a sex game?

Ron Holzwarth 2 years ago

Yoga bare? No, that's Yogi Bear, of Jellystone Park.

grimpeur 2 years ago

When you understand why you've rejected all other gods except your own, you'll understand why I've rejected yours.

The shootings are the predictable result of 1) easy access to guns for even the most unfit person; 2) the carefully-cultivated belief that guns give power, meaning, and identity; and 3) the idea that more guns is the solution to gun violence. These three messages form the cornerstone of NRA's campaigns on behalf of the "market," which is the best indication of the righteousness of the NRA's mission, according to Wayne LaPierre.

Every gun murder in the history of this nation was committed by a person with a gun. "Obviously," you say?

Yeah, it should be pretty obvious.

SnakeFist 2 years ago

Good post. Its absolutely crazy that after every tragedy the far right wants to double down yet again on the ridiculous notion that if only there were more people with guns and high capacity magazines the tragedy could have been prevented. I hope the last election signaled a shift toward more rational thought in America and away from the insanity of the far right.

Mike Ford 2 years ago

liberty.....read about the Pequot men women and children numbering more than 500 being driven into the Mystic Swamp in Connecticut in 1637 to be burned alive with the survivors sold as slaves to Bermuda and read how Miles Standish called this and smallpox divine intervention for the Pilgrims to prosper....gotta love moral imperialism.

Kendall Simmons 2 years ago

Keep in mind that was the Puritans, not the Pilgrims (the folks who founded Plymouth in 1620, landed in the Mayflower, celebrated the first Thanksgiving, Mayflower Compact, William Bradford called them "Pilgrims" in his book "Of Plimouth Plantation", etc.) Indeed, Plymouth condemned the Massachusetts Bay actions against the Pequots.

Alyosha 2 years ago

I respect the letter writer's convictions, but from my religious perspective, mortal humans cannot make or keep God from being anywhere he wants.

Anyone can pray anywhere they wish: Jesus tells us "pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."

We could just as well see it that God allowed innocents to be slaughtered to bring greater attention to the evil presence of so many guns among us, so as to get our mortal attention.

I reject the notion that omnipotent God is so powerless as the letter writer seems to believe.

geekin_topekan 2 years ago

Liberty, the 1st Thanksgiving Day Pilgrims believed that they were carrying God's plan as illustrated in the Holy Bible. Read Deutoronomy 2:30-39 for a clearer picture. Then read the works of Cotton Mather 'splainin' how divine providence "eradicated an Indian wilderness."

The 1st Thanksgiving Day Pilgrims were Calvinists whose mission was to reenact Exodus and pre-destined by God. The sin of murder was forgivable because there were only a few, fifteen to be exact, that would make it into heaven, the rest were screwed so murder was acceptable as it was written in the Bible as the way to civilize the "wilderness filled with devils."

Kendall Simmons 2 years ago

Nah. You're still confusing Pilgrims with Puritans. I'm not saying that either the Pilgrims (a small group who founded Plymouth in 1620) or the Puritans (who founded the Massachusetts Bay Colony) were religious charmers.

geekin_topekan 2 years ago

Reading William Bradford. Stand by.

Phil Minkin 2 years ago

Carl, tell me how prayer in churches stopped countless kids from being sexually molested by "men of God".

headdoctor 2 years ago

Word on the street is that LJW is trying to improve the forum with random changes of enforcement of the TOS and by randomly turning off commenting. I would think refusing to print Carl Burkheads' letters would be a much greater improvement.

JayCat_67 2 years ago

Nah, the resulting threads are too entertaining.

mom_of_three 2 years ago

Yes, Carl can use his free speech to spout his religious beliefs, however backwards and related to Huckabee they may be, and we are free to leave comments saying so.

jonas_opines 2 years ago

"You cross the line when you berate and criticize his."

Bullcrap. Free speech, constitutionally speaking, means just one thing. The government (Congress as stated in the text) cannot pass laws silencing a particular view. That. Is. It. Your claim of infringement by criticism is nothing more that an attempt to delegitimize someone else's attempt to speak freely. Free speech does not, in any way, mean that you are spared or protected from consequences that result from the reaction of your speech. It simply means that you are spared and protected from governmental action against you.

Claiming infringement of free speech due to criticism of speech is the last, cowardly refuge of those who cling to indefensible ideas.

mom_of_three 2 years ago

And he doesn't by criticizing us who do not share his religious beliefs??

jonas_opines 2 years ago

"free speech"

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. --Inigo Montoya

geekin_topekan 2 years ago

Headdoctor, consider Carl and his ilk the bacteria and rational Americans the anti-bodies. We need a workout from time to time, so get your hands dirty and eat that questionable piece of chicken.

headdoctor 2 years ago

Leftist extremist? roflmao. Everyone has a right to be ignorant. Carl Burkhead abuses the privilege. He can evangelize all he wants. I just have a problem with him constantly using the local paper as a platform to do so. Especially since most of his drivel is based on his personal thoughts and feelings. It is very odd that a charismatic Christian who stands by the New Testament keeps flapping their jaws in an attempt to put everyone under the Old Testament.

headdoctor 2 years ago

So what you are saying is anyone who doesn't believe and worship as you do fits the far-left mold. Now you are abusing the privilege.

kernal 2 years ago

disappointed, it could also be said of the quote that it fits the modern day far-right mode (please note that's mode, not mold), depending on a person's personal view.

jonas_opines 2 years ago

People are free to say whatever they want, but they are not entitled to have others provide them a forum or a podium to do so.

jonas_opines 2 years ago

LJW is free to do as they see fit. Their decision does not mean that Carl, or you, or myself are entitled to have them do so, or continue to do so. I suspect that they will, which is fine. I find these LTEs and certain posts to be highly informative, providing clear insight into the mental gymnastics some must go to in order to confirm their righteousness. I imagine that others will say the same about me, which I'm content with.

But if the ljworld ever decides to Stop doing so, bans certain posters, or listens to suggestion that they stop printing particular letters, it won't be an infringement upon free speech, and yet many will claim (already claim) that it is.

SnakeFist 2 years ago

Your children can pray before school and after school, and they can even pray silently during school (who would know?), but I do not want the government indoctrinating my child into a religion by leading prayer in school.

Conservatives insist they want less government intruding in their lives but then have no problem calling for government employees to lead prayer in public schools - the hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me.

Liberty275 2 years ago

The libertarians generally don't care what you do as long as you don't violate the rights of another person or damage/intrude-on their property. Animal cruelty would be an exception.

Of course, we don't want your stuff either.

shadowlady 2 years ago

How many of you are loyal americans to the United States of America?? When I went to school, we recited the Pledge of allegence and held our hand over our heart. How many realize that isn't done anymore?? Why isn't it recited?? Could it be because in a line it says "one nation under God?? You go Carl.

kernal 2 years ago

The phrase "one nation under God" wasn't added until the McCarthy era. Does that make us a Godless nation before 1954? I think not.

A belief in God is not required to be a loyal American. All the signors of the Constitution were not of a religious bent, yet they were loyal Americans and fought for our freedom to worship under any religion, or no religion, as we wish. Would you do the same?

chootspa 2 years ago

Sept. 15, 1999 7 killed, 7 injured: Fort Worth Larry Gene Ash­brook opens fire in­side the crowded chapel of the Wedg­wood Baptist Church. Wor­shipers, think­ing at first that it must be a prank, keep singing. But when they real­ize what is hap­pen­ing, they dive to the floor and scrunch un­der pews, ter­ri­fied and si­lent as the gun­fire con­tin­ues. Sev­en people are killed be­fore Ash­brook takes his own life.

October 2006 - 5 murdered in an Amish schoolhouse.

April 2, 2012 7 killed, 3 injured: Oakland One L. Goh, 43, a former stu­dent at a Oikos Uni­versity, a small Chris­ti­an col­lege, opens fire in the middle of a classroom leav­ing sev­en people dead and three wounded.

Ron Holzwarth 2 years ago

Unexpected gunfire is always a shock. For my psychology class during my senior year in high school, the first step taken was to OK this with the principle, notify every teacher of the plan, and every student - except the psychology students - was informed of what was going to happen.

There was going to be a shooting (with a starter gun) in psychology class!

I don't remember anything special about that day, but if I had been alert, I might have noticed that the murmurs from the other classes were totally absent, as the students in all the other classes were anxiously and silently waiting for someone to be shot in psychology class.

The lecture was proceeding normally, and then suddenly another teacher burst into the classroom with a gun, pointed it at our teacher, and yelled something about teaching him something about his wife.

Then BANG! Our teacher dropped to the floor behind his desk, dead, we thought. And the gunman ran away.

It was very frightening, everyone gasped, and one girl began a long scream that went on and on. We were all shaking, and I could hardly believe what had just happened.

Then, our teacher stood up from behind his desk, laughing a little, the pandemonium ended, and we could hear laughter from all over the high school.

What it was all about was, what would our reaction to something like that actually be? We discussed that for a while, but what the psychology teacher thought was important was that, after the shooting, not a single one of us had taken a look at the clock to see what time it had taken place.

Ron Holzwarth 2 years ago

We knew him! It was a very small school, 42 in the graduating class, and he was our Civics teacher!

Ron Holzwarth 2 years ago

"I know that there was a teacher in a town nearby that would have been as interesting too."

Are you talking about my mother? (not a joke!)

oldbaldguy 2 years ago

if you are not trained. you will not react to gunfire until people start dropping.

chootspa 2 years ago

Thanks for the NRA talking point, but video games don't train young people how to react to gunfire. It will come in handy should they encounter angry birds or alligators demanding water.

Armstrong 2 years ago

So nice to see the party of inclusion, understanding and tolerance is practicing what it preaches. Is it hard to go through life being a walking contradiction ?

jonas_opines 2 years ago

"Is it hard to go through life being a walking contradiction ?"

Is it easy going through life making up narrow, stereotypical paradigms as you go along, then roughly attempting to compartmentalize groups of people into them to prove phantom hypocrisy? I've always suspected that it was.

beatrice 2 years ago

Hey Armstrong, what happened to your Romney avatar? Too bitter a reminder of how incredibly wrong you were in all of your predictions about the election?

JayCat_67 2 years ago

Nope, I'm just as happy to tell someone with the same general ideology as myself when I think s/he's full of crap.

Betty Bartholomew 2 years ago

Bull. Complete and utter.

As somebody raised in a Christian manner, I find the notion of God being so petty that he would allow something like this to happen because he's not foisted upon others who don't believe the same thing you do to be reprehensible. What you're basically saying is, "You've abandoned God, so you deserve it." News flash - it wasn't just atheist children that were killed, and people don't suddenly become non-believers when they walk through the doors of a school. This line of reasoning is as moronic as it gets.

Furthermore, it puts the blame on the shoulders of people who don't believe the way you believe, whether they be atheist, agnostic, Buddhist, Hindu, multi-Deist, Jewish, Islamic, or any other variety of non-Christian. "It's not my fault, it's yours!" Guess what? It's everybody's fault. We're a nation that refuses to help the mentally ill, worships violence, and refuses to regulate the sale and possession of an item that is designed specifically to kill. We regulate cold medicine more heavily than we regulate guns, and it's ok for our kids to play violent games but heaven forbid a woman breastfeed her toddler on the cover of a magazine.

So, Mr. Burkhead, please take your letter, wad it up, and stick it where the sun doesn't shine so that it can mix back in with that from which it came.

By the by, the most rational response I've seen to this sort of drivel is here: http://educatefortexas.wordpress.com/2012/12/17/an-open-letter-from-a-pta-mom-to-mike-huckabee-a-message-for-those-who-long-for-gods-presence-in-schools/

Armstrong 2 years ago

Look at the bright side Mac, a broken clock is right once a day too

JayCat_67 2 years ago

Once a day. I use military time :-D

JayCat_67 2 years ago

I'm not religious by a long shot, but I find your link absolutely awesome.

voevoda 2 years ago

Well said, Beth! And thanks for the link. You're teachers' hero for the day!

beatrice 2 years ago

"God has allowed 9-11, AIDS, suicides, murders, natural disasters, economic bondage and family division as judgments on this nation, families and individuals."

So then why are all of these things worldwide problems? Looks like this holy fella of yours is a major jerk if he has the power to stop these things, yet allows them to happen anyway. That isn't acting mysteriously, that is simply not acting on the behalf of people at all -- almost like he isn't even there.

If I am wrong, may he strike me dea

Kirk Larson 2 years ago

So Carl, you are honestly advocating having the government tell children how to pray?

Really?

bevy 2 years ago

They do have drills for this, my kids started having them after 9/11 when my eldest was in the 5th grade. They talked about where they would hide, and how to defend themselves. Teachers let them lead this discussion and work it out for themselves, with some guidance. They decided that if a bad guy came into their classroom, they would all throw their math books at him, then dive behind the bookshelves for cover. They had lockdown drills, too. I remember being appalled and saddened when I heard about this, but I am glad now that they had a plan, and so thankful that they never had to use it!

tomatogrower 2 years ago

Carl, people can pray in school. Don't listen to the lies. Kids can quietly pray anytime they want to. Turn off the stupid conservative media. They are lying to you. If they lie about this, don't you think they will lie about lots of other things? I think their is a commandment about lying, isn't there?

bballwizard 2 years ago

How can you be so weak minded Carl. Natural disasters murders etc have been happening long before we quit praying in schools and FYI if you want to pray in school you can. No one is stopping you Our real problem is you Carl and your weak sad mind

yourworstnightmare 2 years ago

The gun fetishists have rejected god and replaced it with their gun idol fetish. All and everything must bow before the gun fetish god, and dead children are offerings upon the altar of the gun fetish god.

Cait McKnelly 2 years ago

"Sex and religion are power plays
Manipulate the people for the money they pay
Selling skin, selling God
The numbers look the same on their credit cards."
Queensryche-"Operation Mind Crime"

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