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Letter: Lower taxes?

December 13, 2012

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To the editor:

Let’s see now: Brownback and his boys in the Legislature eliminated taxes for small business and on income tax at all levels, so that means less tax revenue for education.

The governor and his administration don’t want or can’t compete for federal grant dollars under the new “Run to the Top” federal grant program that replaces No Child Left Behind to help support education in this state, so no tax dollars there for education.

That means if we want to support our educational system in Kansas, your property taxes will need to increase proportionally to meet our educational needs. Therefore, Brownback and the Legislature have in fact raised your taxes in the long run.

Isn’t that interesting?

Comments

Larrytown 1 year, 10 months ago

We really need taxes as low as possible. That way....our roads can deteriorate, our education can deteriorate, our protection (police, fire, etc...) can deteriorate. That's the Kansas I want and envision for the 21st century. You know...a 3rd country....errr state.

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Greg Cooper 1 year, 10 months ago

When your subject is the questioner, you have lost the argument.

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SnakeFist 1 year, 10 months ago

Answer: They don't, the government subsidizes them by paying for police, fire departments, schools for their future employees, public water reserviors, roads and bridges so customers can reach them and goods can be delivered, etc, etc, etc. Businesses exist within a system that's funded by taxes.

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SnakeFist 1 year, 10 months ago

I admit that government and business grows together. But surely you don't think a modern business can exist in a pre-historic society (which was the last time there were no taxes, "tribute", or whatever) with no commonly supported goods and services. Consider this: If the government were to collapse tomorrow, how many modern businesses could or would want to keep their doors open? For example, how would a modern grocery store get produce with no roads or bridges, or keep it without a legal system? Sure, we could have private roads, bridges, and legal systems, but those would be run by unregulated, for-profit businesses - everyone (but you) sees the danger in that.

The problem with your utopia of everyone cooperating and working together so that no government is needed is that it ignores the basic human weaknesses that led us to form society in the first place. Society isn't possible without government, and society isn't in the way, it is the way.

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tomatogrower 1 year, 10 months ago

What!!! What!!! Business is all about revenue. If a business isn't earning money it can't maintain their property. And how many businesses get tax breaks or get to charge a "special" tax to pay for maintenance. Liberty, you really need to get out of this weird libertarian fantasy world where all business and people are supposedly moral and do the right thing. Start living in the real world.

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usesomesense 1 year, 10 months ago

Unfortunately the Brownback plan has a sound simple premise, but the execution is mathematically impossible. I've talked to several CPA's and they can't make the math work.

The reality is that if we want to promote growth of new businesses and/or steal businesses over from other states (which is what the pitch was for the deal) then the tax cuts should only apply to businesses moving into the state and/or new businesses (with careful scrutiny of existing businesses moving assets to a 'new' business to cheat and get the tax break).

This cut is a direct benefit for me but I believe is a direct net loss to me as well.

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George Lippencott 1 year, 10 months ago

Interesting logic. You write as if the property tax increase would be automatic. Perhaps here in Lawrence it will be. In other parts of Kansas I would not be so sure.

I must also point out that we here in Lawrence can only raise it so much before we will have to share with the rest of the state. Could Mr.. Brownback want exactly that- Lawrence takes on the role of revenue source for the rest of the state.

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bevy 1 year, 10 months ago

Not to mention that a tax increase of 1 mil in Podunk, KS doesn't generate the same revenue as one here in Lawrence. So it is fundamentally unequal. Once again, the rural areas and all taxpayers (except Sam's cronies) will get screwed.

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tomatogrower 1 year, 10 months ago

Well, it was Podunk, Ks who elected these fools. I guess they could care less if their kids get educated. I don't know too many for profit private schools who would go to rural areas. There would be no profit.

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Liberty275 1 year, 10 months ago

Brownback cut my bosses taxes? Good, I can keep my job and my house even if I have to pay more property taxes to send YOUR children to school.

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voevoda 1 year, 10 months ago

Two flawed assumptions here: 1) Your boss will use the tax cut to keep you employed. Rather than a) downsizing because business has fallen off with the tax increase on small wageearners; b) hiring someone cheaper; or c) pocketing the profits and going on a vacation to Tahiti. 2) It is someone else's children going to school. Instead, it is OUR children who are going to school. That is, the generations who will staff the businesses, medical facilities, government offices, etc., when we are aged and unable to care for ourselves. All of us have an interest in seeing them very well educated.

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SnakeFist 1 year, 10 months ago

No, he really believes it. He's been a blowhard on this issue for years and, fortunately, has turned off many more people than he's converted.

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Greg Cooper 1 year, 10 months ago

When your subject...............

Oh, never mind, that rule is only for others and not you.

Proceed.

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voevoda 1 year, 10 months ago

Most of us stopped thinking of going to school as a form of "tyranny" when we got out of 9th grade.

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Alyosha 1 year, 10 months ago

We can presume, Liberty, that your own family paid for totally your education — no taxes were used for your K-12 education?

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George Lippencott 1 year, 10 months ago

Are we arguing over education as an absolute right no matter the cost or how much education should be paid from the common pot??

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Greg Cooper 1 year, 10 months ago

In what state are pupils forced to go to school until they're 18? Just wondering.

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voevoda 1 year, 10 months ago

Liberty_One thinks Alyosha ought to pay him for the time LO spent going to school and not learning? And he accuses other people of wanting to get something for nothing?

Maybe if LO had attended school with an open mind and minus his pronounced attitude of hostility, he would have gained from public education the benefits the rest of us have gotten.

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verity 1 year, 10 months ago

You used LO and open mind in the same sentence . . .

How did this get down here? It was supposed to be under voevoda's comment.

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Bob Forer 1 year, 10 months ago

Propaganda centers??????

Shirley, you can't be serious.

If you are, might I suggest you reinforce your tin foil cap with a lead lining. Those kryptonite rays are apparently passing through tin and frying your brain.

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Bob Forer 1 year, 10 months ago

WTF is that supposed to mean? You are losing it, Liberty. SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP NOW!.

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Bob Forer 1 year, 10 months ago

I will say it once more. Seek Help.

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Greg Cooper 1 year, 10 months ago

"What's funny is how you folks look to us who say we know better, but can not provide any evidence, other than theory, which has never worked in the history of the world."

There, if fixed that statement for you.

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Cait McKnelly 1 year, 10 months ago

The actuality is that Brownback cut taxes for big businesses, not small ones. To make up the budget shortfall he will, in all likelihood, restore sales taxes that recently expired and may even increase them, which will shift the burden to the poor and middle classes.
I think this article has a very good handle on what's going on and a good breakdown on how BB has successfully shifted the tax burden to those people least able to afford it with a 0% change in real outcome.
http://www.offthechartsblog.org/kansas-offers-unintended-lesson-to-governors-considering-tax-cuts/

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verity 1 year, 10 months ago

http://truth-out.org/news/item/13299-is-education-a-human-right-or-a-privilege-for-the-wealthy

The assumption seems to be that Brownback actually thinks this will work. Has it occurred to you that, liar that he is, that is not his agenda at all? I don't think he is as stupid as he looks---not quite at least.

The article linked above is very interesting and makes a lot of sense.

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appleaday 1 year, 10 months ago

"Taxes are the price we pay for civilization."

-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.

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msezdsit 1 year, 10 months ago

"Therefore, Brownback and the Legislature have in fact raised your taxes in the long run."

No, not necessarily, He just plans to eliminate education as well. The less educated they are the easier they are to herd. Just look at the people who herded him into office.

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whosrunningthisplace 1 year, 10 months ago

Okay, show of hands, how many voted for the Kochian Party and ALEC puppets for the Kansas Governor and Legislators! One, two, three, oh, I see, not so proud now? Suddenly more intelligent about what your vote meant. Let me ask one more question, thank you. If for example 80 acres of income producing property is taxed at $450 property tax per year, and a $125,000 home and lot is taxed at $1678 per year, is that fair? Is that what you are willing to sacrifice so the Ks. Corporations and Corp. Farming, gets a basically free ride? Ever notice the traffic jams, and how many vehicles burning gas and puking out emissions it now takes to get children to their schools. Kansas, you are definitely the "what's the matter!" when it comes to how you vote and who you put into a position of power. Hands thrown into the air, head shaking, but realizing stupid is what stupid does, especially in Kansas!

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